Feedback: Mass Effect 3 Ending Controversy

Posted: April 4, 2012
Feedback: Mass Effect 3 Ending Controversy
Blair Herter and the Feedback crew finally addressed Mass Effect 3's controversial ending.

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  • ki11dagrunts

    About the score system, I believe that there should be a separation of the weighting between new games and sequels. Games that are either new IP or take old IPs into new genres should be more heavily weighted towards "professional" reviewers. Old IPs should take into account their consumers because the playerbase will continue to support the old game if they like it; if they hate, then it's the developers fault for not appeasing their supporters.

    Though, I also would have to say that I support Totalbiscuit's idea that the score system should be thrown out the window. If you look at how games are scored, they have been the same basicly 4 point categories: 5/5, 10/10, 100-99.9, 90+/100,Excellent a game everyone must play; 4/5, 99.8, (8-9)/10,98, (80-89)/100, A game that many people would like, not perfect but good. 3/5, 97, 7/10, (70-79)/100, Just an average game; and anything lower is a bad game, broken, very buggy, not for anyone. The system is highly inflated and until it is somewhat remedied, I don't see it being anything but a way for publishers to get more free advertisements.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 6:50 PM
  • Che39

    game made for broadest audience = call of duty

    Posted: April 5, 2012 5:55 PM
  • Funk_Doc

    I played and beat the game within 3 days and I didn't find anything wrong with the ending until people started to poke holes in it later. While gamers have the right to be unhappy with the game the developers shouldn't put out a redo. If those same gamers want games to be viewed as art then it should be treated like so. You don't yell at a painter cause his painting didn't have the right color you wanted or to change a movie cause you didn't like the ending. It rubs me the wrong way then gamers (Nikole Z) start feeling entitled to the ending they like. If you don't like it ok, don't buy the DLC don't buy the next Bioware game but don't go out attacking the developers of the game or write petition or sue them even after the hard work they put into the game only because you didin't like the last 10min of it. Its fiction people and it scares me that if people whine about something enough you can change it and that sets a dangerous precedent for creative writing. Bottom line people ITS FICTION.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 5:39 PM
  • stephen9to5

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ythY_GkEBck&fb_source=mes sage

    If you watch this video the ending of the game makes a whole lot better. Please watch and reComment for me.

    Thank you

    Posted: April 5, 2012 5:31 PM
  • C666M

    The Extended Cut DLC would give an opportunity to revisit this, but I actually doubt Feedback wants to be between the players and Bioware/EA. The more I reflect on the unwillingness to meet and address the player concerns that Nikole was raising, the more I think that contributed to why it took so long to start to the get to specifics in a short episode of Feedback.

    The announcement of the Extended Cut DLC may have one effect that Bioware will like - I ll probably keep my copy until after it s released just in case. My optimism is near zero, however. There is nothing in the Bioware announcement or Q&A to suggest any of the issues Nikole raised, or I raised in my earlier posts, will be addressed. See a good summary of why at http://www.gamrreview.com/arti cle/88915/mass-effect-3-extend ed-cut-ending-ends-fan-hopes-f or-real-resolution/ .

    Posted: April 5, 2012 5:24 PM
  • HenryGamer

    Nicole got lead into a wrong conclusion (fell in a trap?).
    Yes, art should not be made just to please most possible audiences.
    But game with multiple endings can. This is nothing new.
    Especially when ME have always been about choices, making different consequences.
    Using a general rule of art to apply to ME3 ending's case is over-generalization.

    And this didn't negates Nocole's point that the current ending have too many plot holes.
    ME3 ending protesters are not asking for a change just because they don't like (well, perhaps some are)
    They are asking for bugs to be fixed.
    You can't just say "I like the bugs, so it's good".

    Story is a not a sculpture.
    For sculpture, you can shape it into any shape you like, there is no objective right or wrong.
    But for story, it has to follow logic, especially the logic created by itself.
    If in the last 10 minutes of Star Wars, all Jedis are suddenly bulletproof, can block lightsaber by naked hand, hence won the war. Can you defend that by Artistic Integrity?

    Posted: April 5, 2012 5:14 PM
  • ElPolloDiabloCH

    I also wholeheartedly agree with Stephen. If all developers start to shoot right down the middle, there won't be any more room for games such as Portal and The Witcher. Now that would be a really sad world :(

    Also, I get why some people might be disappointed with the ending to Mass Effect 3. What I don't get is all the anger. Even if I thought the ending was bad (I actually loved it), there was 200+ totally aweshum hours leading up to that. If that is not getting my money's worth, I don't know what the hell is.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 5:11 PM
  • shaggysasquach

    this should have been called Nicole and 3 people who dont care about mass effect. and what is with this running out of time crap???!!! your a fracking web show go longer for christ sakes!!!!!

    this is whole backlash is called gamers have had enough with dev's making good games and then giving crap endings because they either ran out of time or just dont want to spend the money to make there customers happy. the thought is alway that by the time someone finds out the ending is bad we already have their money so it doesnt matter. and i have had enough. so yes i support mass bombing of their reviews we will affect their money intake by keeping others from making our mistakes

    look these games in particular were played almost 80-90% for their story. they could have been 1st person, 3rd person, it could have been a point and click. but i played 100 hours of gameplay to see the story. and to see how the story was different. so when your story ends terribly that means you just ruined the best part of your game

    Posted: April 5, 2012 4:21 PM
  • Bookmarkreader

    Dear Complaining consumers of ME 3: Don't be selfish. You bought Mass Effect and were intrigued by it's story or gameplay or (insert value here). This impacted your decision to buy ME 2, this time instead of pure exploration and taking in a new experience, you had substantial expectations. The people that enjoyed the first and second game enough made a decision to purchase the third. Before we get to what happened after that, lets analyze this first part:

    The reason you bought the first two games is rooted in your desire to be entertained. You wanted the experience Bioware was selling, you saw it was worth the money to experience and made the decision to buy. Whether or not you liked it, you agreed to give up the money to experience it. That is a risk you take as a consumer.

    The same is true for ME 3.
    The difference lies in its placement as the final installment to the series. Because there is no promise of another full length title to satiate your consumption, the contents of the package become extremely important to you. Any issue you would have brushed off becomes magnified. As an RPG it depends on the player for the fuel to create the storyline. You should not confuse this with contributing to the story. You are contributing nothing to the story line, you are participating in predetermined events. You are being entertained, not creating. Consumers have no place demanding change or supplementation to entertainment. You can demand for change in government, in your society, and in your own household policies.

    You also have a voice. -- Thats what forums are for, discussion, opinion, criticism.

    If you want to change something, do it yourself. Don't force someone to make something different to suit your needs in entertainment. Subscribe to publishers and developers that suit those needs and cut off your suppport to this series or company. Thats it.

    If the public has control over the entertainment provided by professionals for monetary exchange, we'll all be buying the same thing every week, every year, with no value. There is a reason some people are at the controls and some people are building those controls.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 4:14 PM
  • jreezy19

    Nikole knows what she's talking about when it comes to Mass Effect 3.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 3:18 PM
  • bimmy_lee01

    People complaining and trying to change the ending is insane. The ending was great was not horrible, if you take ME as a trilogy. I wonder if people will rally like that in things that actually matter: jobs, economy, hunger, etc.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 3:02 PM
  • mmaxt

    oh and its all for the money. the day one DLC.. you already owned it when you bought the game. what you actually downloaded was a patch to unlock the content on your disc.
    i would know because i own a PC and you can just look at the files. i went though the cutscene files and found some of which that you woulc consider to be "on" the DLC

    Posted: April 5, 2012 2:31 PM
  • LegacyGamer


    Im curious on what the your POVs are. The indoctrination theory is so important when it comes to the ending to mass effect 3 due to the many facts presented, along with reasonings behind the many plot holes. Id LOVE to see a full discussion on it.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 2:26 PM
  • JsLorkmir20

    "vastly different endings that just won't be the ABC ending,"....

    choices are: Destroy all synthetics(A), Merge synthetics with biological(B), Control the synthetics(C).


    Posted: April 5, 2012 2:23 PM
  • Nuchy7

    I use to love feedback. Watching it now is like talking to a ex that you know you just cant agree with.

    I felt OFFENDED with stuff Stephen (Quaalude's dude) and Donell (error dude) said. I think you guys treat your fans of feedback like crap. Why dont you guys go pay 60 dollars then offer your "professional opinion". And the whole art comparison is wrong. If i say im going to paint you the stars and only paint 3 white dots im sure your simple minds would like it.

    I feel so sorry that Nikole had to be treated the way they treated her and then cutting the episode short. Hey all you loyal fans "in ten words or less" we dont have time to talk about what you guys want to hear.

    Since Adam left this show has went straight down the toilet. The ONLY reason i still watch to see what the girls opinions are.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 2:10 PM
  • axzaw

    i hope this DLC gives the nay sayers what they want. i just hope it dosent ruin it for me.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 1:53 PM
  • mmaxt

    to all the people who think Shepard actually die.... yea, you can look it up in the cutscene fils on the pc version... noobs

    Posted: April 5, 2012 1:43 PM
  • GamingTruth

    To those that played the game with a character they used in the 1st and 2nd game: play mass effect 3 with a new created character and you will see how your choices in the previous games played out by comparing it to your first play through. Play the previous games was not a waste of time, and the choices made are clearly shown throughout the entire 3rd game.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 1:31 PM
  • ntnrbryson

    I think this whole mess was blown out of proportion but part of me says yeah Mass Effect 3s ending blows. Maybe we're being indoctrinated by EA and this was all apart of the plan. But yeah EA effed up a little bit.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 1:07 PM
  • XGrlGamerX

    It's a Bioware game... there should not just be ONE ending.

    I agree with almost everything Nicole said, but with a less fiery passion. I don't really care much about a final boss, and it's not the fact that Sheppard dies, but the lack of explanation of what happened to my NPCS and why they on a random planet.

    Posted: April 5, 2012 1:05 PM