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Sessler's Soapbox: Mass Effect 3 Wrap Up

Posted: March 13, 2012
Sessler's Soapbox: Mass Effect 3 Wrap Up
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Adam discusses Mass Effect 3's day-one DLC, its controversial ending, and how well it handled same-sex relationships.

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  • ogflatander

    I didn't mind the ending but would have liked what Fallout did and just give me a slideshow so I can see what my actions meant. That is the only way I could describe it to my wife. Imagine the ending of Fallout minus the slideshow. Just didn't feel complete to me. I understand what they wanted to do but the characters we invested in I would have loved to see what they went on doing. Just like what they did with Joker.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:52 PM
    ogflatander
  • NoPantsToday

    Adam, I'm glad to see you're more respectful about this topic than a lot of others in video game related media and journalism. You're a class act.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:46 PM
  • NoPantsToday

    I openly do not like the ending. I think it was too abstract, distastefully implemented, and lacked the subtlety of foreshadowing, however I don't want to see it gone completely, because that subverts the game's creators. That said, given the nature of the series as a whole, their narrative choices in the final minutes can feel more insulting the more dedicated one is to the franchise and it would be nice, seeing as we're getting a boatload of DLC anyway, to see BioWare pull a little fan service and give those who want it, an ALTERNATE ending. I'd gladly pay. But, I don't condone petitioning to erase it, especially if BioWare really feels like they did it right. To be fair, sometimes artists need a filter. The original ending of Clerks had Dante dying in an armed robbery. It wasn't until it was screened for audiences that somebody pointed out that it should probably be cut. To say that all art if finite is kind of silly, just leave it up to the artist to decide if they should make the changes or not. On the flip-side of this whole controversy, George Lucas has been "improving" Star Wars for years and I have yet to meet a single person who would call what he does "improvement."

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:39 PM
  • Sighatxplay

    I am really hating how ppl are not understanding that since 1 we HAVE been writing our own story. Both 1 and 2 let you do that very well, 3 felt like they didn't really care what we thought. The choices we make drastically change the next game and it seems as though the choices we made in the previous two did not matter because it all comes down to 1 set idea. Why give thousands of ppl exactly what they want then erase some of what they did to force them to play another universe. I do not understand why my Anderson was forced to be an Admiral again just to go along with something that happens later. I would have been happy with a "I stepped down as the Human Council representative." Just little things like attention to detail I am sure pissed people off. It is no way a bad game like most I loved it till the last bit there.

    I just think they should have given a bit more freedom at the end based upon your choices. Mass Effect has been like that since day 1and it would have been nice to end the series with you feeling like you actually had a choice. And comparing Mass Effect to a book is just asinine, in a book you are reading, you can not stop reading and then change someone dying or change what action you think the main character should take. In Mass Effect you can, they gave you the option so stop that foolishness. In the end I still feel like something is just a miss and I feel that what I have put in the hours for was not worth it. From the story in 1 it does not match up to me in 3. Again that is just my opinion.

    Take it as you will for more people will justify their own opinions but they gave us the choices. They gave us the opportunity to shape the galaxy and it feels a bit unfinished. Perhaps BW will hear the fans and give us some kind of closure that is rightfully do to Mass Effect.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:24 PM
    Sighatxplay
  • UnrivaledSkin

    I had no problem with the ending at all. I honestly couldnt think of any other way to end it that would of been better.

    As for the whole day one DLC. I personally hate the idea of DLC and never buy them. I still remember the days of community made addons, maps, conversions and the like. people made some awesome stuff back in the day and it was all free. I still remember when Epic would release large map packs for the unreal tournament series and those were free, now every company is charging $10 for 4 new maps!!! How about quake and quake 2 when everybody and had player made models and some of the awesome player made maps and player made mods(TEAM FORTRESS STARTED AS A QUAKE MOD!) I personally feel this is a better way to get people attached to a game and keep them interested and keep them from trading it in rather than corn holing our wallets at every turn. then again consoles are for kids and they are just a different breed of "gamer", if you can call them that.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:19 PM
  • htownking

    But Adam didn't you yourself say on a past Soapbox that you hesitate to call video games art because, "Art needs to be somewhat static. That the product, what is being presented is the same thing for each person that consumes or sees or listens to it." One thing I don't consider Mass Effect is static. Then is it really left to the "artist" to decide? Does the artist vision really apply here? It is something that could really be up for debate.
    I hated the endings due to the fact that I was promised closure, yet I did not feel like that is what I got. I was left with more questions then at any point during the series. Fallout 3 changed their ending with DLC and as I recall there wasn't a lot of people defending the artistic vision of the writers. But you made some great points some I agree with and some I don't.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:18 PM
    htownking
  • clivodimars

    Great perspective sess. I don't agree with the ending being good but im not 100% on changing the cannon. I would like to see a bit of resolution. Even a cheap military funeral would have been nice. I just feel like that last 5% of that game was not up to par with the rest of such a fantastic series. Ive invested 180 dollars of my money with the game and company. I just wish the ending they provided had been flushed out for even 10 more minutes.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:15 PM
    clivodimars
  • Mystyr_E

    I am kind of on the fence about this one. The ending isn't one of those "everything wraps up but certain things unexplained" kinds, there's plot holes, cutscenes are copy-pasted and the choice and the explanation of your choices is vague at best. For a game touted to be all about player choice and making your own story, to give us........that is really unfortunate.

    That being said, this is their creative property, not yours, and Bioware are the ones that made this game. They could've ended their story with the idea the entire series was thought up from the kid from St Elsewhere and there's nothing you can do about it. But I'm sure they'll cave and give us a "proper" ending which of course people will complain about if it's priced, if they retcon the original etc. But Bioware could just say "this is our story and we chose to end it in this lackluster fashion", put on a pair of sunglasses and say "deal with it".

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:14 PM
    Mystyr_E
  • Valkyrin

    *Spoiler Alert*

    I just feel that all the endings are "bad" and that there really isn't a "good" ending even for all the hard work/decisions you did/made in the previous games. And it also feel like all the work you did has no effect on the ending at all (scripted)

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:06 PM
    Valkyrin
  • JariahSyn1990

    Nice.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:02 PM
    JariahSyn1990
  • AmericanKing01

    Sess I love you man but I respectfully disagree with you. I feel that a company and a consumer have a relationship that should be honored. I'd like to use Coke-a-Cola as an example. When they put out their new coke there was such and outcry from consumers that they eventually went back to the old formula for the soda. They did this not because it was a vocial minority but because it was the majority. On the internet when ever we see some kind of hate for anything we automatically assume that it is the vocial minority but in this case that just isn't true. 97% of gamers are unsatisfied with the ending of ME3, that is not just a large percentage of gamers but a large percentage of Bioware's usual fanbase and income. Another good example of why the ending should be fixed is the plotholes that are in it. When something like Starwars or Startrek have plotholes in there lure they fix them, it is the same with Mass Effect 3. They made corrections to the novel that had plotholes which was recently released why not the plotholes in the ending of its main trilogy. Finally we all know that Bioware is capable of comming up with a better ending than what we got. This outcry isn't because we didn't like the ending or thought that it was to dark, but because we have all seen the amazing story that Bioware has crafted over 3 games and expanded media and know that they can do better. It is like when your dad or a coach yells at a baseball game, because they know you can do better. I strongly believe that Bioware will change or add an epilogue not because people complained, but because they have a deep respect for there fans like we have for them.

    Food for thought: The head writer for Bioware left just before this game came out. Makes you think.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 12:02 PM
    AmericanKing01
  • SciFirearms

    I think people are more upset about this day one dlc because its a change of stance with EA. With dragon age origins and Mass effect 2 people were given free day one dlc for buying their product new but with Mass effect 3 people feel like they are being punished with for not buying a collectors edition.

    Also the ending was not bad but it did feel like none of the decisions i have made over the course of 3 games actually made any significant difference

    Posted: March 13, 2012 11:58 AM
    SciFirearms
  • BigWillieP

    I have to own that I am currently against the ending(s) and the way the trilogy tried up. And I know the reasons why are not unique to me alone and will be written over and over again. So I'll just say this;

    I currently feel like my girlfriend broke up with me without an explanation and then stole my dog.

    I should probably see a professional.

    Posted: March 13, 2012 11:55 AM
    BigWillieP
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