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Sessler's Soapbox: Mass Effect 3 Wrap Up

Posted: March 13, 2012
Sessler's Soapbox: Mass Effect 3 Wrap Up
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Adam discusses Mass Effect 3's day-one DLC, its controversial ending, and how well it handled same-sex relationships.

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  • Daniel_N=

    Hi Adam, I'm a big fan of yours. Regarding this issue, I think you may not be seeing the bigger picture here. This is a huge topic, and it has both artistic and financial implications.

    From an artistic point of view, let me just say that this is the equivalent of The Return of the Jedi ending with a huuuge blast of the Death Star killing Luke Skywalker and the entire Imperial and Rebel Armadas, and Leia and Han get stranded in Endor with the Ewoks forever.

    But financially is where it gets really serious. We are talking a sizable portion of the fanbase being disappointed. I don't know the statistics, nobody knows at this time. But we're talking people cancelling SW:TOR, we're talking people who are not going to buy any DLC (if it is inconsequential for the outcome of the game as it is)... And we are talking about long time fans of BioWare (like me) who are going to be very suspicious next time BioWare releases another game. And that is trully sad.

    I'm afraid the ball is still rolling down the hill and there will be damages. In BioWare and EA. So there's an issue for you...

    Respect!

    Posted: March 16, 2012 7:07 AM
    Daniel_N%3d
  • serenity619

    Mass Effect 3 ending/ issues with:

    First, let me say that I fully enjoyed the game until the ending. I do believe this game is the pinnacle of the series. Reasons for dislike of the ending: I invested 5 years into the characters. Into the decisions made throughout the 3 games. Yet all three endings of Mass Effect 3 left me feeling that none of my choices made a difference. I fought over the course of three games (I went full Paragon for discloser) to unite as many races as possible. Formed bonds with people. Had it in my mind that the unity of the galaxy was dependent on its survival. Even know Shepard is the driving force for all this, he can't "do it alone". The way I felt (or should I say the way "the game" made me feel) was that the peace of all the races and standing together was the only thing that could defeat the coming assault by the Reapers.
    Then the ending.... (As I see it)... No matter what you did, you are the decision maker "playing God". It all comes to just one man/ women's choice. NOT the team you assembled, NOT the galaxy that I worked so hard to bring together. Basically taking everything I accomplished over three games and throwing it out the proverbial window.
    I spent three games forming a "Shepard" that was tailored to my play style, my way of thinking. Making choices of the same way of thinking. It doesn't bother me that Shepard dies (I may not like it, but it wouldn't ruin the gaming experience for me), it is just how it is done in context to the story.

    I should also state that I am 41 years old. I have been playing games for over 30 years. I have never tried to post on a blog or even try to voice my opinion to a company over any issues or dislike of a game. Either I like it or I don't, and I move on. This one bothered me though, enough to take some time out of my life to voice an opinion. How would I fix it? No answer for you. Maybe I am just looking for some explanation of what the creators at Bioware/ EA were thinking when they wrote these endings.

    Posted: March 16, 2012 6:33 AM
    serenity619
  • CRangel

    I am boycotting Bioware, I invested time and money with a promise that my decisions will affect the ending of the game and on the last ten minutes of the game, the carrot at the end of the stick was taken away, all my choices went out the window, all that effort to have a perfect team and surviving the suicide mission from ME2 was worthless. Why give the player the impression that he/she has an input on the outcome of the game if all that was a lie?. Bioware was straight out lying by making the player believe that he/she was on control. Do they have to change the ending?, do they have to give the costumers what they want?. I say yes, they lied to the costumers and they have to make up for it. Is just that simple.

    Posted: March 16, 2012 2:14 AM
  • Hanabi321

    Dear Adam S.,
    (HEAVY SPOILER)
    The end of those books you talked about came full circle. ME3 didn't.

    I would ask that you kindly look into this situation some more. Read 'why' people are so up in arms. The masses can often be wrong. But the masses often are right as well.

    People aren't angry because the ending is 'dark' or 'depressing'. Hell in my ending Shepard Lives.

    It was the "What the hell just happened?" factor.

    Why are there a million human corpses? How is Anderson ahead of you when he came in behind you? Why is joker fleeing the battle? How did your team mates get onto the Normandy when they were right beside you heading towards the beam? How is Shepard able to breath in space?

    What kind of logic is this Starchilds? "Yo, dawg, I created synthetics to destroy you every 50k years so synthetics wouldn't destroy you!'

    The very lack of logic at the end of the game is shocking. Look at the Starchild's reasoning and then the Synthetics you are presented with over the series. Then look at Shepard's blind acceptance of the reasoning of this phantom.

    Secondly, you don't have the Finale that you'd expect from the last game. You don't learn of what happens after you have done and said what you done and said. You are left to guess at a worse place.

    What bothers most people is that the ending defies the logic and Genre built by the writer. It's like ending Lord of the Rings right as Frodo stands over Mt. Doom without explaining the rings effect on Frodo's mind in prior texts. It's like the end of a great tale without telling how things turn out.

    It's like ending a book "And so the hero, tired and bloody, made one of three horrible choices and..." *You turn the page.* "The End." Says an old man to the child, "Come on, tell me another story about the Shepard!". If I was that kid I'd be pissed at the old man for ending the story midway.

    (My super spoilerish theory.)
    ---

    I have my theory, but my theory only counts if the game is not over.

    I am of the Hallucination theory you may have seen gabbed on about in other threads.

    The whole game Commander Shepard was getting more and more stressed, as time went on she became less and less 'human'. In a way.

    When you first get onto the Citadel it feels like a dream. You're crawling through a hallway of your own dead. Mysteriously faced with the Illusive man with no hint at how he got there. When he commands you, you put a bullet in Anderson and are using all your might to resist.

    The bodies are like the phantoms in her dreams that she'd been having. They didn't seem real. Her mental state is weakened by blood loss, consistent exposure to indoctrination. They might not have even been real.

    Let's use other examples of other people who'd felt it.

    Saren said Indoctrination was subtle and crafty. The Illusive Man didn't even know he was indoctrinated unless you Paragon'd the HELL out of him. Rana Thanoptist (Get out of here before I blow up Vermire Girl.) who had a weak mind committed suicide after even her relatively small exposure compared to Shepard. Shialla (Green Girl) was only freed from it by the effects of the Thorien and was Mindlinked to the Feros Collenists who made a suprising effective force. I believe Shialla's mind-link allowed other's minds to stabilize and counter re-indoctrination, that and the exposure to the Thorian's mind.

    Shepard in the dream chases the kid, a dream that started as Post Traumatic Stress from watching a kid die, a cross of guilt to bare. But as the game went on Shepard kept being exposed to the Reapers more and more and more, destroying them, getting close. Others even with no reapers around were getting taken over and killing each other.

    In the dark dream Shepard is warned, as she runs chasing the phantom she sees herself hugging the child, smiling creepily as they both burn, a forewarning of what lies ahead. That the reapers are riding on an image of her guilt as 'The Catalyst' of her indoctrination.

    "Good Endings." -
    Finally Shepard stands at the end face to face with her nightmarish guilt. Having made it so far only through the will to beat the reapers. She is offered three choices by the Catalyst.

    One is to Control the Reapers, to become them. However as I was hinted, she is indoctrinated herself in the final throws. This destroys the Mass Relays and causes the reapers to withdraw.

    Second is the Biomerge of Technology using her as the Palate. Everyone in the universe is made into a Cyborg. Including Synthetics who are Augmented with organic. The Reapers Withdraw.

    The Last is to carry on strong, We win or we die! You destroy the reapers once and for all. However the cost will be the death of the Geth (Who would willingly make the sacrifice to save organics if you persuaded them.) and EDI (Who was always ready to die to help Shepard.)

    The Catch 22.
    I theorize the Catalyst ISN'T what it seems. It the Catalyst of Shepard's Indoctrination. That in each ending Shepard does not die a true death.

    Ending 1 and 2, Shepard's mind is overthrown, Shepard is indoctrinated and is now controlled, Shepard thinks (S)he is dead. Now a tool of the reapers who is still alive. The Mass Relays are gone, but the reapers are infinitely patient and truly unknowable.

    The Illusive Man's path of control means Shepard didn't stop the reapers and now the universe is stuck without the Mass Relays and the reapers are infinitely patient.

    The Biomerge Path, means all life has been given the ideal form for indoctrination of all. Shepard's indoctrinated energy is in all life, organic or not. And the reapers are a part of everyone now. Allowing them to begin a mass indoctrination beyond scale.

    The Destruction Path, Shepard destroys the reapers. Overcoming the indoctrination. Waking up amidst the rubble on earth. (Shep is a sturdy SOB to take so much damage.) The Indoctrination attempt failed Shepard's conviction held through to the end and even in an unstable condition Shepard was able to hold to "We fight or we die."

    Both other endings Shepard stops fighting and sees Her/Himself die. Stop fighting and die.
    However is Shepard dead? Or is Shepard walking indoctrinated while the true ending is under design?

    "The Bad Ending" -
    Shepard quickly before everyone is ready, before the Crucible is perfected rushes to fight the reapers. The Crucible is incapable of the Technomerge and Outright Indoctrinating Shepard isn't an option.

    With some Resistance left (Due to shorter exposure time) Shepard destroys the reapers, the unfinished Crucible destroys the planet, the reapers, everyone on earth and Shepard. Shepard never gave into the Indoctrination and was too strong at the time to ever do so. Too much resistance left.

    ---
    The Joker Vision

    A final glimpse at what is going on, Joker crashing down somewhere. Is it a vision to placate Shepard? Is Joker lost and stranded with a need to be picked up?

    The Reapers died, but so did the earth.

    ---

    The Possible Future.
    "Can you tell me another story about the Shepherd?"

    At some point Shepard is required, if (s)he is indoctrinated (Blue/Green) Ending. She awakens to learn the reapers are still out there. That doom is still upon them. And that through the sacrifices of others His/Her indoctrination was broken.

    If Shepard destroyed the Reapers, Shepard awakens. Having destroyed the Reapers and fought off the Indoctrination. The Reaper Tech is gone. However Shepard is alive. (Shepard is very largely Cyborg, grey muscles, wires, AKA Lazarus Project Cyborg.) Meaning that the Geth also possibly survived.

    The new Mission Either way involves coping with the change to the universe. Tracking down the lost. Picking up the peaces and building a new path.

    "I need to find my people.", "I need to know that (Love Interest) is okay." At your side you have your people. "I need to get the Quarian's Home." "Wrex's Family needs him." "The Asari need to return to Thessia."

    "We are all together now, our enemy is gone, but we are stranded away from home. We need to rebuild, but we, all the people of this Galaxy, stand together to rebuild. We will do on our own what we always have. We will forge our own path."

    Always remember it is a vast universe, there is still Dark Energy out there. There is still many enemies waiting in the universe. What new threats await when the Mass Relays aren't around to guide you?

    Posted: March 16, 2012 12:56 AM
    Hanabi321
  • CRangel

    The guy in this Youtube Video shares all my thoughts and opinions, I just wish I was as smart and articulated to express them as he does. Seriously, everybody, check this video and see what I am talking about.
    http://youtu.be/4H_A7SeawU4< br />http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=4H_A7SeawU4&feature=con text&context=C445dd7aADvjV Qa1PpcFM1uWFTwbXUFqkjo5rCYzGMB 2jz7r1b6rA=

    Posted: March 16, 2012 12:19 AM
  • Angry Jessie

    Sessler, you are content with an ending that is poorly written, goes against what the entire series stands for, and is filled to the brim with plot holes? Oh, and interpretation just for interpretations sake does not make a story suddenly good. Surely you jest!

    Posted: March 15, 2012 8:59 PM
    Angry+Jessie
  • Angry Jessie

    Sessler, you are fine with an ending that destroys what the series stands for, is poorly written and filled to the brim with plot holes? Surely you jest!

    Posted: March 15, 2012 8:54 PM
    Angry+Jessie
  • Jaw7765

    I'm on the half and half side... To the point where I've been called a "Non-Mass Effect fan".

    The ending was a little bit of a 180 pull you weren't expecting, and for me that's the beauty of it. See, it was so bad that the feed back has made it become a powerful topic in its self. So yeah, Casey Hudson was right when he said fans would talk about it. I don't think that they will even change the ending in a new DLC because again, some will like it and others won't.

    The one day DLC, yeah it's a bit of a wise ass mark they said to sell more N7 copies. Also I'll agree I don't think that it should of had to been paid for by anyone who didn't get it. However, this is a business and to be quiet frank, everyone who was at the midnight launch purchased the DLC who weren't getting the N7 edition. It might of been bull on Biowares own part, but when you have such a large fan base people will complain and state how they feel after playing through it. So in all its not even that big of an issue because as I said, everyone bought the DLC. Still, I believe most that it should of been made free maybe the first two days of the fans who stood outside for the midnight launch. Then there wouldn't of been such a fuss about it being any cost. Plus, shouldn't we be happy we got a tiny bit more of Mass Effect 3 the same day we got it? I was happy to know my game play was increased by an hour or two.

    The same sex relationship isn't even that big a dead. Asari are pretty much same sex if two of them have sex. Same with an Asrai and a female of another race, including female Shepard in Mass Effect 1. So how is it bad Male Shepard gets a boyfriend in this one? Hypocrites is what everyone is these days. Also to point out, the guy in the game is a pretty cool character, he's your pilot. Also, you don't have to pursue in that story line with him, you can avoid it pretty easy. So from the start, there was no need for all the boo-hooing about the same sex situations.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 6:55 PM
    Jaw7765
  • Jaw7765

    I'm on the half and half side... To the point where I've been called a "Non-Mass Effect fan".

    The ending was a little bit of a 180 pull you weren't expecting, and for me that's the beauty of it. See, it was so bad that the feed back has made it become a powerful topic in its self. So yeah, Casey Hudson was right when he said fans would talk about it. I don't think that they will even change the ending in a new DLC because again, some will like it and others won't.

    The one day DLC, yeah it's a bit of a wise ass mark they said to sell more N7 copies. Also I'll agree I don't think that it should of had to been paid for by anyone who didn't get it. However, this is a business and to be quiet frank, everyone who was at the midnight launch purchased the DLC who weren't getting the N7 edition. It might of been bull on Biowares own part, but when you have such a large fan base people will complain and state how they feel after playing through it. So in all its not even that big of an issue because as I said, everyone bought the DLC. Still, I believe most that it should of been made free maybe the first two days of the fans who stood outside for the midnight launch. Then there wouldn't of been such a fuss about it being any cost. Plus, shouldn't we be happy we got a tiny bit more of Mass Effect 3 the same day we got it? I was happy to know my game play was increased by an hour or two.

    The same sex relationship isn't even that big a dead. Asari are pretty much same sex if two of them have sex. Same with an Asrai and a female of another race, including female Shepard in Mass Effect 1. So how is it bad Male Shepard gets a boyfriend in this one? Hypocrites is what everyone is these days. Also to point out, the guy in the game is a pretty cool character, he's your pilot. Also, you don't have to pursue in that story line with him, you can avoid it pretty easy. So from the start, there was no need for all the boo-hooing about the same sex situations.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 6:51 PM
    Jaw7765
  • UNrealx007

    Its not that the ending was bad, but I thought for as big a threat the reapers are they could have done more imo.I just felt that the game seemed rushed and underwhelming which btw also brings me to the story being completely predictable, But I dont wanna spoil anything for anyone. I just knew that what happened was going to happen. A little obvious if you think about it. If you know what I mean.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 2:10 PM
    UNrealx007
  • UnrealMac

    SPOILER-ish. I for one am satisfied with the ending, it gave me the closure that I was looking for. The war is over, Shepherd saves the day and sacrifices himself, or not, and gives everyone else a new future be it good or bad.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 12:54 PM
    UnrealMac
  • travelmaps

    i actually love a "bad" ending. like the movie The Mist... freakin amazing movie. but the end of this game is utterly dissapointing in every way. it has massive.. MASSIVE holes in it that we're just supposed to explain away ourselves... ignoring that though the functionally identical endings have literally nothing to do with any choices you make at all ever AND go against every single thing shepard has been fighting for or would ever do... also bioware specifically said many times that the choices you make would matter in the outcome of the game. "EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME" is on their site RIGHT NOW. i dont know about you but im fairly confident that is a bold faced lie.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 12:31 PM
    travelmaps
  • Cryptomaster420

    well i personally didnt like the good ending but the bad aka red ending was awesome but i think it would be nice if dlc came out that had alternate endings @ least 2 that would appease those upset masses!!!

    Posted: March 15, 2012 12:10 PM
  • bruteforce037

    I agree with you Sess. I loved the game, and unfortunately a few are upset about the ending(s). Oh well, can't please everyone. I did not have a problem with the ending. I also think about the number of talented people on this project. Moving this story along from ME1 until now and to the end. (or, will it be the end?) I think Bioware has us talking just like they planned. Thanks for the review and the wrap up Adam! Here's hoping I see Cmdr Shepard down the road. Or, maybe a younger Shepard

    Posted: March 15, 2012 11:05 AM
    bruteforce037
  • MrRickenbacker

    Crybabies...Mass Effect 3 is amazing...and i can't wait to see what they do with the ME Universe.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 9:50 AM
    MrRickenbacker
  • wolflee

    I think that the ending for Mass Effect 3 is brilliant. I love the entire game, and I think it's a fantastic end to a magnificent trilogy. I would not want the series to end any other way. (I've beaten all 3 games, using the same character through each one)

    Posted: March 15, 2012 7:41 AM
    wolflee
  • AshtonBauer

    (That seems like something a program would use to make it easier for Shepard to cope) just some food for thought.*

    Posted: March 15, 2012 7:29 AM
    AshtonBauer
  • AshtonBauer

    Why does everyone assume Shepard dies? Did noone else get the full military force and unlock the clip of Shepard alive? People need to research before e-raging. If you love the game, get info before you wanna question BioWare. If there isnt a mass effect 4, they left it open so people can create there own ideas of what happens. But, and this is my opinion and assertion, there is going to be a mass effect 4. Then and there BioWare is going to give us a full explanation. If you dont believe me, go on youtube, watch the 3 perfect endings, then look at videos where others are proving the endimgs were simply an indoctrination attempt by the reapers. Remember Shepard is part synthetic, therefore when he goes unconscious he is subjected to vulnerability to the reapers. With that in mind im assuming that shepard was attempted to be indoctrinated via frequencies similar to the ones that controlled the geth. Thats why if you have 5000 ems and choose "Andersons path" to destroy you receive the clip of shepard alive, if you choose the other two you don't. Thats bc if you choose the other two shepard has given in and the indoctrination was successful, but if you do what Shepard was set to do, destroy, the indoctrination fails. If you dont believe me, just do research and form your own conclusion. But really think about two big parts, how did Anderson get to the lift to the citadel? And do you really think that kid is the creator, catalyst, and alive at the beginning? (That seems like some)

    Posted: March 15, 2012 7:28 AM
    AshtonBauer
  • AshtonBauer

    Why is everyone freaking out about the ending? There is gonna be a 4th mass effect. Whether you had 5000 effective military strength or not (and chose to destroy everything to see what appears to be Shepard breathe), the stargazer tells the young boy that he will tell him one more story of shepard. This franchise isn't over yet.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 7:12 AM
    AshtonBauer
  • ApolloStarIV

    i had enough EMS to save the world and Earth, specifically. But still given the fact that i did complete all side quest should have raised my EMS much higher i think. If u ask me the main problem is that Bioware just took it backwards on this one in a sense that the ending shouldnt have been based soley on something like that, the ending should have been determined by major decisions made throughout the series, mainly for the *SPOILER ALERT* control reapers option, why would his military force decide if he can control the reapers? it should be based off of choices that would decide just how strong of a will Shepard really has. Not to mention the fact that it just takes away from the "based in reality" feel to the game(and i dont mean like its real, im not crazy, just that they spent so much time making a world that could be explained almost scientifically, atleast theorized science) then to have this machine thats actions change, it loses the whole effect feel to it, how does my military force dictate what this machine does. It should have been option destroy reaper, and the crucible will either def destroy earth, or def not... and the control option would have been the changing variable, and the thing is, im not even so much upset over the ending, i kinda felt like it would be around what it was, it was actually almost poetic if u REALLY(and i mean u have to REALLLLY) think about it, my problem is with the way its determined, some good choice options were present throughout the game... and yet in the end, it just seemed like they didnt have much Effect.

    Posted: March 15, 2012 5:39 AM
    ApolloStarIV
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