Sessler's Soapbox: Kingdoms of Online Passes

Posted: January 31, 2012
Sessler's Soapbox: Kingdoms of Online Passes
Adam talks Kingdoms of Amalur, their use of an Online Pass, and why he thinks this new trend won't slow down used game sales.

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  • Slayinfool

    I don't mind the season pass, but when companies like EA start using it as a way to keep us from playing multiplayer, coop or other features in the game.. Then this is a kick in the nuts as far as I'm concerned and I won't support the company or the game by buying it. How can you not feel alienated by these tactics? If your a consumer, you should be upset about it. Atleast alittle concerned by the direction things are going. For me full priced $60 plus games is A LOT of money. I depend greatly on Gamefly and used games. The only thing online pass will do is keep me from playing the game altogether.. Is that what the company wants...???

    Posted: February 1, 2012 5:55 AM
  • gundamD

    I guess this subject doesn't apply to me because i buy all my games new, no matter what. Im not exactly sure why i do this but its what ive always done and i don't see this habit dying. The way i see it is, a new games always have trailers and media way before the game comes out. so when i see a game that i want, i take out 5-10 dollars every so often or whenever i get extra cash and put it away until i have enough to buy it. Sometimes this take less than a month to save up and some times it take 3 or 4 depending on certain variables in my life. Once i have enough to get the game, i immediately go out and pre order it, whether its from game stop or amazon.com, then i just wait. Ive been doing this since i was old enough to work and i haven't missed out on one game in years.

    Posted: February 1, 2012 5:00 AM
  • DinoHaxxSaur

    Why don't the game companies release two versions of a game. One version for the full $59.99 and another less incomplete version for $29.99 and allow people to download dlc to complete the game at there own pace thus giving two options for people who can and can't afford the full price. Ahh by the push of game companies it will all go digital anyways. I like used games cause it can save me money and as for the online passes I don't buy them cause I don't need to play the game online. So no matter what these game companies aren't getting any money from me. I do when I can try to buy new but it's not even worth it cause most games in six months lose all their value. The only game that retains value is any COD game.

    Wait I got it. Put the new release on the marketplace for people to download, one full month before the game is released to retailers on disc form.

    Posted: February 1, 2012 4:08 AM
  • Bowmanganie

    From playing the demo of Kingdom of Amalur, I decided that I was going to wait till I could buy it used for $30 or less cause basically it can just be called Fable 4 or Fable and Eldar Scrolls get it on and have a baby. Since I already buy both those titles new, I don't need this one new. With this "invention" though is sounds like I will be be able to get a game at my price a lot quicker cause used places, ala Gamestop, will have to set the used price lower. To me this is silly. If I were a game publisher I would want the price for a used game that I make to stay as high as possible for as long as possible to direct the consumer to buy new THAT WAY instead of used. You know, have a game that people WANT TO KEEP by creating totally awesome add on content through DLC. I don't know why publishers/designer haven't come up with say, a base game, and that be the only game you will need to purchase from the store and then just keep creating content for that game. Like Bethesda with Eldar Scrolls. The basic game, and then just keep doing DLC and adding the rest of the world. I know, that would make it like a 10-12 year plan to do, and would create a self cycling revenue stream for a decade using just one gaming program and not having to press more discs and be able to spend less on marketing and such. What a stupid idea....

    Posted: January 31, 2012 10:52 PM
  • mksystem74

    Gamers are deluded to the fact that costs are going up, everywhere. Develops are suffering just as much as any other entertainment industry. Gaming is a luxury, we have to accept that. If you're going to buy a game, KEEP it. Save your money for the games that come with an online pass, buy those and wait for others to drop in price to get it. Gamestop has been generous in the past with a few games that they'll buy the online pass for you at no extra charge. Yes it may suck, but a developer going out of business and not making anymore games or big companies not making as many would suck even more.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 10:40 PM
  • zamosky

    In my house we have 3 Xbox(e)s, four gamers, and four separate gamertags. I do not like the online pass.

    If I buy a used game, I might save 5 bucks on the title but then I have to buy 4 passes to play online. Then..... there are these new packages where if you pay an extra 40 bucks when you buy the game you will get this and that for free.

    I do not like the new pricing model. I am really starting to enjoy Gamefly tho.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 9:19 PM
  • unami

    I was really interested to hear Adam's opinion on all this, but I feel like there was a 10 minute segment cut out where he stated his opinion on why locking content behind online codes won't slow down used game sales.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 8:43 PM
  • g4tvroxdahouse

    What about the fact that the online pass can expire? Not sure if that is the case here but the fact that my new game can expire is complete bull. You can put EA in the corner of banks and other corps that F over everyone they can in the name of the benjamins.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 8:39 PM
  • g4tvroxdahouse

    What about the fact that the online pass can expire? Not sure if that is the case here but the fact that my new game can expire is complete bull. You can put EA in the corner of banks and other corps that F over everyone they can in the name of the benjamins.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 8:35 PM
  • wislo

    online passes and all the DLC packs they just nickle and dime us to death. If they go too crazy people are going to start pirating.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 8:14 PM
  • IronManIan

    The problem here is that if this online pass requirement is enabled, gamers will be less motivated to buy games and if your core audience is frightened by the fact of NOT being able to sell back then you begin to hurt the relationship between the customer and developer. These corporate fat cats are to busy worrying about how to line their pockets with cash and less worried about the actual people providing them their income. The gamers are the most important aspect to business, if you dismay the core audience you only hurt your own business.

    If a customer is unaware of what a game is like they resort to reviews, if the're still unsure of the game and this online pass is enabled, they will take the safe road and not attempt to purchase the product. It would suck to know if you bought a game that you find is not to your liking and your stuck with it with no refund or cash back. I hate these corp. fat cats for their insatiable greed and down right stupidity. All they care for is their money and not the PEOPLE supplying them their money.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 8:12 PM
  • alexander.boyd40

    Why edit the video to make it short, we llike it when adam rambles on??? O.o

    Posted: January 31, 2012 8:08 PM
  • DarthHerter

    i understand where adam is coming from, but i have to disagree a little. the online pass i don't have a problem with. why would you screw yourself as a gamer only to save five bucks on a used game at game stop. i always get the new version of games. as a gamer i feel that im not screwing myself over the online pass, because the majority of games that come out now have demos weeks or months before the release so buying a used game then being disappointed. it's the gamers fault. and i don't see why people see this as a big deal any way. those same gamers spend 15 bucks for map packs. yet they feel like they are being ripped off for paying for something that they would have got for free if they had bought the new copy of the game to begin with.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 7:11 PM
  • BigBadBOOM

    I really don't see the big deal here as long as games are complete without the code and just offer additional content if you have a pass. At that point its like getting DLC.

    Of all the ways publishers could combat used sales this one seems pretty pro-gamer. I reject the notion that if you are getting a game and really want all the content that the few extra dollars a new copy costs is going to be a deal breaker.

    People don't seem to understand that the difference between this industry and others is that a used copy of a game does not become less valuable with time or use. For example, Ford doesn't care if you sell your old car because it has depreciated and is no longer direct competition to their new cars. However, used games are direct competition which is why people will buy a used copy for a minimal discount.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 7:08 PM
  • Tsuiyo

    The pic for the Soapbox needs to change with his new look, by the way ;)

    Posted: January 31, 2012 6:52 PM
  • BobitoZ

    People need to pay more attention to what they are buying, and from who.

    Instead of going: "Oh, Look! Football. Oh, Look! Star Wars." "I need that."

    A game could be the best game ever made; but if it had an EA logo on it, I'm not buying it with these types of restrictions.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 6:31 PM
  • korn dawggg

    Haven't checked G4 in awhile. When did Adam become amish?

    Posted: January 31, 2012 6:30 PM
  • GamebustaZX

    great I was so pumped because I was like " yes its a single player game so no online pass !" but no, they would find some way to put in a online pass, dont publishers know how the economy is ?? we dont have 60 bucks to just shell out every time a game comes out. Pass that block multiplayer entirely, drives me nuts because it makes me wonder why I pay for xbox live if I just have to turn around and pay for a pass. I buy games new when I can because who doesn't like a new game but to punish people for not being it new is not cool, and I dont want to hear "oh they need to make a profit" because they where making a profit before then its just plain greed. If this doesnt change or atleast become less apparent I will cancel my game fly and change over to PS3.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 6:27 PM
  • vaajtswv

    I'm interested in knowing how many of these people don't do yard sales or resell their cars because they would be denying profits to those industries.

    Posted: January 31, 2012 6:21 PM
  • lustinius

    WTF. I haven't been watching Sessler's soapbox lately, but when did his hair migrate from his head to his chin?

    Posted: January 31, 2012 6:14 PM