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Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers

Posted: October 25, 2011
Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers
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Adam uses the response to his Uncharted 3 review to talk about his distaste for applying numerical values to the quality of creative works.

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  • poopdog_ofdefeat

    This was probably one of your best fire side chats, Adam. But, I would like to purpose a challenge to you and all the critics or so called "experts" of artistic expression.
    Find a new way of conveying your thoughts on a item of expression. I just seems this idea of looking at something and evaluating it to provide some insight for the mass public and for it to consume easily is so antiquated. Its never given any form of art justice, mostly because art can only be experienced personally, no matter how many words one writes down. For example, I despise Roger Ebert, he has no schooling or general knowledge in film and yet he is paid to critique it. I have, for the past 3 years, purposefully gone to every film that he's given a "bad" score. Whether its out of spite or that the film actually has some redeeming traits, I've found that he always misses a deeper meaning or some intrinsic value of the film that creates a very enjoyable experience. (ie. Deadfall, probably one of the funniest/ best acting that Nicolas Cage has done in a film)
    Now in no way am I comparing you to Roger Ebert, but it just illustrates the problems with critiquing. This challenge is probably impossible to find an answer to, one would probably have to create a form of communication more effective than the written word or talking, but I wanted to put this out there for others to realize that art is a singular experience and it invites us to find out more about ourselves emotionally and intellectually for better or for worse. (experiencing the Atheist aesthetic from a 1940s Dali painting versus a Nihilist perspective of GTA 4.)
    I would label this nothing more than a thought experiment but it should serve as a pathway to further inquiries into the difficulties and hypocrisies that critiquing presents.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 4:11 AM
  • poopdog_ofdefeat

    This was probably one of your best fire side chats, Adam. But, I would like to purpose a challenge to you and all the critics or so called "experts" of artistic expression.
    Find a new way of conveying your thoughts on a item of expression. I just seems this idea of looking at something and evaluating it to provide some insight for the mass public and for it to consume easily is so antiquated. Its never given any form of art justice, mostly because art can only be experienced personally, no matter how many words one writes down. For example, I despise Roger Ebert, he has no schooling or general knowledge in film and yet he is paid to critique it. I have, for the past 3 years, purposefully gone to every film that he's given a "bad" score. Whether its out of spite or that the film actually has some redeeming traits, I've found that he always misses a deeper meaning or some intrinsic value of the film that creates a very enjoyable experience. (ie. Deadfall, probably one of the funniest/ best acting that Nicolas Cage has done in a film)
    Now in no way am I comparing you to Roger Ebert, but it just illustrates the problems with critiquing. This challenge is probably impossible to find an answer to, one would probably have to create a form of communication more effective than the written word or talking, but I wanted to put this out there for others to realize that art is a singular experience and it invites us to find out more about ourselves emotionally and intellectually for better or for worse. (experiencing the Atheist aesthetic from a 1940s Dali painting versus a Nihilist perspective of GTA 4.)
    I would label this nothing more than a thought experiment but it should serve as a pathway to further inquiries into the difficulties and hypocrisies that critiquing presents.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 4:10 AM
  • poopdog_ofdefeat

    This was probably one of your best fire side chats, Adam. But, I would like to purpose a challenge to you and all the critics or so called "experts" of artistic expression.
    Find a new way of conveying your thoughts on a item of expression. I just seems this idea of looking at something and evaluating it to provide some insight for the mass public and for it to consume easily is so antiquated. Its never given any form of art justice, mostly because art can only be experienced personally, no matter how many words one writes down. For example, I despise Roger Ebert, he has no schooling or general knowledge in film and yet he is paid to critique it. I have, for the past 3 years, purposefully gone to every film that he's given a "bad" score. Whether its out of spite or that the film actually has some redeeming traits, I've found that he always misses a deeper meaning or some intrinsic value of the film that creates a very enjoyable experience. (ie. Deadfall, probably one of the funniest/ best acting that Nicolas Cage has done in a film)
    Now in no way am I comparing you to Roger Ebert, but it just illustrates the problems with critiquing. This challenge is probably impossible to find an answer to, one would probably have to create a form of communication more effective than the written word or talking, but I wanted to put this out there for others to realize that art is a singular experience and it invites us to find out more about ourselves emotionally and intellectually for better or for worse. (experiencing the Atheist aesthetic from a 1940s Dali painting versus a Nihilist perspective of GTA 4.)
    I would label this nothing more than a thought experiment but it should serve as a pathway to further inquiries into the difficulties and hypocrisies that critiquing presents.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 4:08 AM
  • Colesl4w

    I think Adam makes an excellent point regarding ratings and reviews. I think the most important thing is, just because its right for one person doesn't make it right for everyone. I think this is more evident in movies nowadays, at least in main stream culture where people want to know what Roger Ebert thought of a movie before they see it. Or they go to Rotten Tomatoes to see what its score is. Yet I've usually found that I've liked all the movies I've gone to see regardless of what the critics thought. Well maybe not all, you win some you lose some).

    The same can be applied to games, Just because one person didn't like a game should have not affect your enjoyment. In fact it may even make you appreciate the game that much more when you do play it, since your expectations had been lowered.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:53 AM
    Colesl4w
  • weiyunchi

    Sess, I understand.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:46 AM
    weiyunchi
  • mariquwa

    I'm convinced now more than ever before... Adam Sessler and Alton Brown are one and the same :-).

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:21 AM
    mariquwa
  • Taizuke

    I just want to apologize. I'm one of the many who couldn't handle U3 getting a 4. Thing is i love Uncharted's multiplayer. It may well be the best exclusive multiplayer on PS3. So, when i read that you felt it was "tacked on" i could not disagree more. But, that's all there is, a disagreement, and i shouldn't have gotten upset about it.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:13 AM
    Taizuke
  • Perplexed_Waffle

    I'm really getting tired of this argument. Adam is such a hypocrite when it comes to the point he's trying to make. WHY ARE YOU REVIEWING GAMES ADAM?! And even more importantly, why are you using the most idiotic scoring system in the world? Don't even talk about appreciating art, when you don't except the impact your overly simplistic rating system has on a game's overall ranking on Metacritic and GameRankings. BTW, you get GOTY just for being the highest RANKED game.

    Since he wants to talk about numbers...lets talk about numbers. Maybe the people at G4 don't understand they are the worst when it comes to reducing a game down to a number. Why? Because they give it the least amount of thought, even though they know how much people use these numbers as a guide...you know the people who DON'T get games for free.

    Numbers are important, and it's the reason many of the G4 staff have their jobs. It's the grades you get at school, work, website hits etc.

    The main problem is G4 chooses NOT to be in any way specific with their scoring. How can you get mad at a person's response when you give an "A" game a "B-"? That's how ridiculous their scoring system is.

    5 - 100% - A+
    4 - 80% - B-
    3 - 60% - D-
    2 - 40% - F
    1 - 20% - F

    Please add a decimal or shut up. It's like a parent telling their kid, "You did great in high school, but you couldn't get into that Ivy League school..so...I guess it's the local community college for you!"

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:59 AM
    Perplexed_Waffle
  • Perplexed_Waffle

    I'm really getting tired of this argument. Adam is such a hypocrite when it comes to the point he's trying to make. WHY ARE YOU REVIEWING GAMES ADAM?! And even more importantly, why are you using the most idiotic scoring system in the world? Don't even talk about appreciating art, when you don't except the impact your overly simplistic rating system has on a game's overall ranking on Metacritic and GameRankings. BTW, you get GOTY just for being the highest RANKED game.

    Since he wants to talk about numbers...lets talk about numbers. Maybe the people at G4 don't understand they are the worst when it comes to reducing a game down to a number. Why? Because they give it the least amount of thought, even though they know how much people use these numbers as a guide...you know the people who DON'T get games for free.

    Numbers are important, and it's the reason many of the G4 staff have their jobs. It's the grades you get at school, work, website hits etc.

    The main problem is G4 chooses NOT to be in any way specific with their scoring. How can you get mad at a person's response when you give an "A" game a "B-"? That's how ridiculous their scoring system is.

    5 - 100% - A+
    4 - 80% - B-
    3 - 60% - D-
    2 - 40% - F
    1 - 20% - F

    Please add a decimal or shut up. It's like a parent telling their kid, "You did great in high school, but you couldn't get into that Ivy League school..so...I guess it's the local community college for you!"

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:56 AM
    Perplexed_Waffle
  • Lance20000

    I get it Adam, I really do. I love your review on this game and I get it. I think instead of a number system, we should have a system baised off of the quality of Nicholas Cage movies,

    5\5=Red Rock West
    4\5=Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans
    3\5=Lord of War
    2\5=Ghost Rider
    1\5=Wickerman

    Hopefully we will never see a Wickerman level of game...

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:52 AM
    Lance20000
  • xmichaelx

    god i love Adam. he just says what i`m thinking.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:48 AM
    xmichaelx
  • xmichaelx

    god i love Adam. he just says what i`m thinking.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:46 AM
    xmichaelx
  • titanrage83

    really sessler, this is retarded. talk about the damn game

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:45 AM
    titanrage83
  • C.P

    Ps3 fanboys who cares if g4 gave it a 4/5. There reviews doesn't go to metacritic. U3 has a 94 and gears3 has a 91. That's what you guys really want for it to be better. If your really mad then just leave this site and don't watch g4 no more. There viewers are 360 owners that's why they always bash ps3, pc, and wii, they never respected you guys. There probably ignoring your comments and just laughing at you people. Leave and let this place be full of 360 fanboys. As for me I own all consoles that's I never go here.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:44 AM
    C.P
  • ItalianPlumber

    Everyone take a shot Adam talked about politics again.

    Seriously though instead of numeric values how about a system similar to Chris Gore's "Pass","Rent",or "Buy"?

    Maybe "Full Price","Half Price", or "No Price"
    or even "FTW" ,"Bargain Bin",or " _hit Bin"

    I get that you don't want to do a disservice to the game by oversimplifying the experience but I use review scores to gauge the quality of the experience. I read the review to see if the actual content of the game is something I would be interested in experiencing. Not everyone gets review copies and not every game has a demo. Often I turn to outlets like G4 to get an informed opinion on if a game is worth a day 1 purchase or even a purchase at all. I know its sad that a review score can carry so much weight with my purchase but it is often the best information I have to base my decision on.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 12:51 AM
    ItalianPlumber
  • Phategod

    Be careful Adam your treading lightly around biting the hand that feeds you. You've been doing this for over 15 years and you seem like your single handedly invalidating your career, and those of your colleagues. You can't simply say this sucks or this is great, there has to a systematic basis, and evaluative process for these mediums. Does the fact that your opinion can be boiled down to a numerical value, make it any less valid? No But it helps us gauge how you felt about the game in one character. Morons, and fanboys will be morons and fanboys, and if they want to hate your for giving a game 4 instead of a 5, then $4!t on them Adam.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 12:47 AM
  • drakoniansun

    Angry Sess, I love it! Well spoken sir!

    Posted: October 26, 2011 12:32 AM
    drakoniansun
  • littledragon092

    sessler's soapbox: i hate numbers gets a 5....... out of 5.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 12:19 AM
    littledragon092
  • beebeebee

    This is how I feel about Bioware games. It is just plain idiotic to try and apply a number system to emotions ("approval levels").

    Posted: October 26, 2011 12:12 AM
    beebeebee
  • Elperro2186

    Elperro2186's comment is abusive and has been removed.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 12:10 AM
    Elperro2186
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