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Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers

Posted: October 25, 2011
Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers
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Adam uses the response to his Uncharted 3 review to talk about his distaste for applying numerical values to the quality of creative works.

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  • THEeveryLASTinitial

    That's right, let it all out buddy. Of course, you're completely right. If only more people could see and understand what you do. But that's the thing with humanity. We're all trapped inside our own perspective and blinded by our opinions. Sometimes you get someone who truely understands something, like you do, but a majority who never will. Yep, that's humanity for you.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 3:23 PM
  • Gaflax

    Sess, Take a deep breath. You can't change the closed minds of crazed fanboys. Just know that there are those of us out here who appreciate the thought, honesty and consideration with which you and the G4 staff put into reviewing games. I think many of us understand your need to sound your "Barbaric Yawp" on this subject. So, I hope you feel better.

    I am not religious, but this peace of wisdom is a useful touchstone nonetheless:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
    Courage to change the things I can change;
    And wisdom to know the difference."

    Posted: October 26, 2011 3:20 PM
    Gaflax
  • phantomzxro

    I understand where your coming from Adam and i also hate when people freak out over a 4 rating when last a checked was good. But a sad fact is i still like scores and rating because they help set the tune of a review. Now I now many great writer out there including yourself. But i feel it much harder to find a tune of a review when a reviewer is trying to list all the pros and cons within a review.

    Now if you want to be done with numbers I'm cool with but i would still like a great game title or something that lets me know that hey this game has problems but i still really enjoyed it. Anyway keep doing what your doing Adam we need you to stay in the game industry for a few more years, or until we find a way to clone you.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 3:17 PM
    phantomzxro
  • Gaflax

    Sess, Take a deep breath. You can't change the closed minds of crazed fanboys. Just know that there are those of us out here who appreciate the thought, honesty and consideration with which you and the G4 staff put into reviewing games. I think many of us understand your need to sound your "Barbaric Yawp" on this subject. So, I hope you feel better.

    I am not religious, but this peace of wisdom is a useful touchstone nonetheless:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
    Courage to change the things I can change;
    And wisdom to know the difference."

    Posted: October 26, 2011 3:17 PM
    Gaflax
  • phantomzxro

    I understand where your coming from Adam and i also hate when people freak out over a 4 rating when last a checked was good. But a sad fact is i still like scores and rating because they help set the tune of a review. Now I now many great writer out there including yourself. But i feel it much harder to find a tune of a review when a reviewer is trying to list all the pros and cons within a review.

    Now if you want to be done with numbers I'm cool with but i would still like a great game title or something that lets me know that hey this game has problems but i still really enjoyed it. Anyway keep doing what your doing Adam we need you to stay in the game industry for a few more years, or until we find a way to clone you.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 3:15 PM
    phantomzxro
  • phantomzxro

    I understand where your coming from adam and i also hate when people freak out over a 4 rating when last a checked was good. But a sad fact is i still like scores and rating because they help set the tune of a review. Now I now many great writer out there including yourself. But i feel it much harder to find a tune of a review when a reviewer is trying to list all the pros and cons within a review.

    Now if you want to be done with numbers i'm cool with but i would still like a great game title or something that lets me know that hey this game has problems but i still really enjoyed it. Anyway keep doing what your doing adam we need you to stay in the game industry for a few more years, or until we find a way to clone you.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 3:13 PM
    phantomzxro
  • indo501

    I Really enjoyed this soapbox I've never really been a huge fan of a number rating. There's so many factors that go into a review which makes a number score score really hard to gauge a value of a game. Sometimes I wish the reviews didn't have scores on a game as it's rather limiting and it really adds nothing to the review.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:46 PM
    indo501
  • comedeyzoner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =SNZrOcXVJtA&list=FLd6zYNP O7OuV0nGoX94r9VQ&index=10

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:32 PM
  • lDEFYl

    Ok, I have to admit I feel like I just got schooled...I get it- taking numerical values so seriously defeats the whole purpose of creative works, in this case video games...but all I was trying to say before, concerning the 4/5 to Uncharted 3 (and I know I haven't played the full game yet) is that it was like a straight A student receiving their first B+ or something, so it was a bit of a surprise...I respect and appreciate Adam's feedback/perspective on this controversial matter that shouldn't even be "controversial" in the first place (it's sad), and I will be sure to enjoy Uncharted 3 for what it is (creative work), not for the numerical values attached to it..

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:21 PM
    lDEFYl
  • barlu99

    8/10 on the epic rant scale
    85% on truth scale
    1 star on Sessler's epic reference chart

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:16 PM
    barlu99
  • comedeyzoner

    Fair warning adam and this is because I really respect you. if you give battle field 3 anything less than a 5 and give mw3 a 5 the feedback will be 10 times worse than this. I mean the public will verbally crucify you. You have been warned

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:16 PM
  • Sponge-worthy

    "Adam hates trying to apply a numerical value to the quality of a creative work, and would much rather you read a written review to understand the context and nuance of the reviewer's opinion."

    I get it. Adam is trolling the readers with the numerical score just to get them to read the review :)

    It really doesn't matter that much folks. Plenty of other critics are heaping superlatives onto Uncharted 3 as it is. It really isn't that big a deal whether U3 happened to resonate in Adam's scattershot, unstable brain on the particular day he played it. All signs point to U3 being at least as good as U2.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 2:05 PM
    Sponge-worthy
  • M0dSquad

    /slowclap

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:59 PM
    M0dSquad
  • comedeyzoner

    DAMN yall pissed him off this time.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:58 PM
  • rifleshoot

    my suggestion is this: the scoring system itself is not as bad as adam puts forth, but it does need more specific parameters surrounding it. In one comment i read, someone tried comparing the score and review that gears 3 got with the score of uncharted. I think that when scores are given, that the site should put down the score relative to other games in the genre and make that genre clearly visible so that the complainers could clearly see that the score is relative to the games in that genre. However, i can see where the frustration that adam feels is coming from: as a reviewer, he has that catch 22 situations where if he says its fantastic, people say he's just going with popular opinion. But if he lowers the score, as in this instance, people say that he's not giving a proper score, or that he's biased, or that he's being nitpicky(i said this myself). So scoring puts him in a position where he's going to piss someone off regardless of what he does. I actually believe that the scoring system SHOULD be done away with and rather just have the review giving the list of pro's and con's to the game. One reason that you know that the system is flawed is that modern warfare 2 got 5/5, whereas many other games recieved lower scores for being the same game. So in conclusion, ratings are usually complete BS(fable 2).

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:52 PM
    rifleshoot
  • Xodi

    America is a competitive country. sure these games are art, but they are also trying to sell their product. but i am sure Adam knows this and its a bit obvious. I do not understand the point of the rant. I get hes frustrated with all these kids and fanboys complaining but still. Its probably just me. Scores are in place because its a competitive market.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:50 PM
    Xodi
  • SirJamison

    Amen.

    Also i think you should start using the square root of -1 as a score so that you may then justify saying you gave the game an imaginary score.

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:33 PM
    SirJamison
  • gekkosapien

    I love you Adam
    I wish more people are like you

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:28 PM
    gekkosapien
  • flesh+bloodrobot

    Hello. Long time listener, first time caller. Are you trying to kill this man? Do you want him to seize up and blow a gasket? An end to offering his personal opinion and insight? You're all fascists. The utter passion protruding through the Sess's neck veins may suggest the need for a sturdy turtleneck, but more likely, that people need to stop berating someone for articulating and supporting their honest opinion--whether others find it agreeable or not (which is something I would like to see more of throughout all forms of media). Or you might just need to become a little more aware of your own confirmation bias (look it up ignoramus). Open your minds (preferably with a hammer) and realize you know nothing about art. Like Adam said, art is a bouillabaisse, but with a side of "Don't f--- with me." I'm sure this concept is lost on most of you whose primitive intellects wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with...metaphorical structures. I wish you all could photoshop your lives and go back to the drawing board.

    I also suggest G4 do away with numerical ratings all together. It would certainly motivate more people to actually read the review and actually learn something about the games they play. As the Sess professed, it's impossible to distill any work of art into a single number. It's utterly meaningless so why even try. To those interested check out Kill Screen's Duke Nukem review, you'll dig it.

    "In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations, the new needs friends." -Anton Ego, Ratatouille

    #InternetToughGuys

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:19 PM
    flesh%2bbloodrobot
  • flesh+bloodrobot

    Hello. Long time listener, first time caller. Are you trying to kill this man? Do you want him to seize up and blow a gasket? An end to offering his personal opinion and insight? You're all fascists. The utter passion protruding through the Sess's neck veins may suggest the need for a sturdy turtleneck, but more likely, that people need to stop berating someone for articulating and supporting their honest opinion--whether others find it agreeable or not (which is something I would like to see more of throughout all forms of media). Or you might just need to become a little more aware of your own confirmation bias (look it up ignoramus). Open your minds (preferably with a hammer) and realize you know nothing about art. Like Adam said, art is a bouillabaisse, but with a side of "Don't f---- with me." I'm sure this concept is lost on most of you whose primitive intellects wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with...metaphorical structures. I wish you all could photoshop your lives and go back to the drawing board.

    I also suggest G4 do away with numerical ratings all together. It would certainly motivate more people to actually read the review and actually learn something about the games they play. As the Sess professed, it's impossible to distill any work of art into a single number. It's utterly meaningless so why even try. To those interested check out Kill Screen's Duke Nukem review, you'll dig it.

    "In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations, the new needs friends." -Anton Ego, Ratatouille

    #InternetToughGuys

    Posted: October 26, 2011 1:13 PM
    flesh%2bbloodrobot
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