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Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers

Posted: October 25, 2011
Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers
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Adam uses the response to his Uncharted 3 review to talk about his distaste for applying numerical values to the quality of creative works.

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  • marcusdjackson

    i so agree. piss all over review scores rather numerical, stars, straws or whatever cause they so devalue th games we play.

    some games are obviously the scores they are given like the games that get ones, or games like Kane and Lynch that are so horrible they should never be considered in conversation nut hey! somebody likes it right?

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:29 PM
  • sammajor

    Classic Adam Sessler Rant! And, it is refreshing (and a bit unnerving) to see some real emotion from a true professional who cares about the many jobs he does so well. In a perfect world, someone could play any and all games (good, bad, or indifferent) to completion without the need for game scores. But, the service that game reviewers offer to the public should be a thoughtful, honest criticism on a body of work not pointless numeral measurements. The review must remain paramount, though pros vs. cons & number scores will probably always be grandfathered into an antiquated system. Also, I assume that most of the trolls on the Internet have nor ever will create any artistic work in their lives, and therefore will never empathize with any artist, game developer, or critic. Their life s work will only consist of reckless and idiotic prattle on forums and message boards.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:28 PM
    sammajor
  • AlbinoAssassin

    Thank you Adam. Your voice is one that needs to be heard in the discussion of this medium.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:28 PM
    AlbinoAssassin
  • SomeOneElse1

    My counter to your argument against the numerical system is quite simply we do it anyway. I would describe these numerical systems simply a charting and standardizing of calling a game good bad or otherwise. What truly is the difference between saying a game is "perfect" or "great" and saying its a 10/10, 5/5 or even an A+, or for that matter "alright" and 3/5. Perhaps your issue Mr. Sessler is with the current system people are allowed to attach their own meaning to each score. If that is the case I might suggest changing the system by adding your own meaning to each score. Instead of 5/5 "incredible", "don't miss", "BUY!!!!!", instead of 3/5 "OK", "alright", "rent" so on and so forth. I don't want to waste time completing the scale but you see my point, it could still be a 5 point scale it could be a 7 or a 4 point scale but it has a standard meaning separate from interpretation. At the end of the day I would say it is in our nature as either a society or species to the reduce things to its lowest common denominator, and I would say there is definite value to this cause really all I want to know is whether or not I should buy a game or whether I should wait to get it cheaper.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:26 PM
    SomeOneElse1
  • culero

    You don't give it a perfect score like everyone, people get curious. More hits to your $ite. What exactly are YOU and G4 doing to change things? Oh yeah, nothing. You still gave a numerical rating.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:25 PM
    culero
  • dylanwade2020

    This is why I like Total Biscuit, he doesn't review games he simply gives his honest first impressions and lets the viewer decide for themselves.

    Atleast, G4 could change the common denominator at which they rate games, from the untelling and confusing five, to something more informative like one hundred, or even ten.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:24 PM
    dylanwade2020
  • BoydofZINJ

    Sorry Adam. You are a rebel with a cause and working with THE MAN. Working within the system to make it fun for us. I like to point out, that, these are all OPINIONS on a game (entertain) and not facts. Do I use reviews from sites to help me decide to buy a game? Sometimes, but I also ask friends. G4 has lead me astray a few time, and other peeps. However, is it their fault that I am not them ? It sometimes happens.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:23 PM
    BoydofZINJ
  • Prax150

    Here's an idea: If you don't like the system, then change it. You're definitely entitled to your opinion, both on this matter and when reviewing games, and if it upsets you so much then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. You're the editor-in-chief of G4, you're clearly important enough to the website and the network for them to give you this soapbox to speak your mind (and in the process basically tear their ratings system to shreds), then why not go against the grain and do something different?

    This could be G4's chance to separate themselves from the rest of the pack. To stop being like IGN and Joystiq and Gamespot and really leave a mark. Stop giving numerical reviews. Then you won't show up on Metacritic, and people will have nothing to say before actually reading your reviews. If you have enough energy to get so worked up about this, then you surely have the energy to do something about it?

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:23 PM
    Prax150
  • HUNK_78230

    I always want to punch someone whenever they tell me Ocarina of Time was best video game of all because of the score on Gamerankings. I FREAKING love OOT, but I happen to feel Majora's Mask was more enjoying to me.

    and it's not because I think OOT was a 9.8 out of 10 and Majora's Mask was 9.9 out of 10. I'd give them both the same score or I might even give OOT the higher score.

    I'd have a good two page review to explain why I feel like that.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:20 PM
  • Barbuganot

    It almost sounds unhealthy for Adam to keep giving numerical scores to games after he so thoroughly described his hate for it.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:17 PM
    Barbuganot
  • dylanwade2020

    This is why I enjoy Total Biscuit, he doesn't review games he simply gives his first impressions, and lets the viewer decide for themselves.


    At the least, G4 could change the common denominator with which they rate games from the low untelling five, to something more like one hundred.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:16 PM
    dylanwade2020
  • j450n2

    Ditch the 5 star system for a 1% to 100% rating system ;)

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:12 PM
    j450n2
  • eaglefan129

    I think its more of the fact that you gave such a praise for Uncharted 2 that people are flipping out (mostly the ps3 fanboys and I own a ps3 this account is my PSN account). Me Personally I try not to look at reviews because I'm going to get a game that I like and see myself playing a game for a long time. it just so happenes that these games get good reviews. I have an open mind for gaming like LittleBigPlanet I bought that and didn't really care to much about the review same thing for LBP2 and thats going to continue. A game thats going to get my attention is a really good trailer and if possible gameplay. I'm not going to buy COD this year because I don't find it appealing to me anymore whear as Battlefield there is appeal to me and I pre-ordered it. Regardless of what COD gets as far as review goes and sales the game gets I will not buy Call of Duty this year.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:11 PM
    eaglefan129
  • Scopes01

    Mr Sessler.... I can understand where your comin from on this, but I'm also sure you understand a large majority of those that are ranting about scores given here or there, are also the egotistical fanboys, and it will eventually fall to the way side. when they have a better understanding that, Art can not truly be rated on a scale of number's or letter's, but on the individual's appriciation of the Art. whatever the the selected Art may be. and as for mine own opinion of the scales, they were created for those that (as I understand) are too lazy to read a review, and understand the aspects and appreciate the time , the reviewer put into them.

    I will agree that I sometimes don't agree with everything you say in your reviews, but you do explain why you give one game one score and another something else.

    I for one dont really put much (if at all) value on rating systems, would rather read the reasons why an individual, likes or dislikes a game. and eventually the source either becomes a trusted source of information or they find somewhere else to get there information (someone that tells them what they WANT to hear).

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:11 PM
    Scopes01
  • eaglefan129

    I think its more of the fact that you gave such a praise for Uncharted 2 that people are flipping out (mostly the ps3 fanboys and I own a ps3 this account is my PSN account). Me Personally I try not to look at reviews because I'm going to get a game that I like and see myself playing a game for a long time. it just so happenes that these games get good reviews. I have an open mind for gaming like LittleBigPlanet I bought that and didn't really care to much about the review same thing for LBP2 and thats going to continue. A game thats going to get my attention is a really good trailer and if possible gameplay. I'm not going to buy COD this year because I don't find it appealing to me anymore whear as Battlefield there is appeal to me and I pre-ordered it. Regardless of what COD gets as far as review goes and sales the game gets I will not buy Call of Duty this year.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:10 PM
    eaglefan129
  • jagmikey

    First, a review is an opinion. If you don't like the review, then go write your own. Maybe you should play the game you want to review first.

    Second, I enjoy Adam's reviews. I don't always agree with them and often find them a little pretentious, but that's okay. Nobody is forcing me to read these things. Plus, I have this amazing ability to form my own opinion without having to rely on another person to form it for me. Love that free will.

    Finally, I completely understand that Adam hates the current system and is probably forced into it by the powers that be, but every time he writes an unpopular review we end up with a Sessler's soapbox where instead of making a brief point explaining his opinion of review systems, Adam goes on a five minute whine fest because he received angry responses to his review. You've been reviewing for quite some time and I'm sure have plenty of experience with angry mail. Get over it. Make your point and move on. I don't need a 6 minute video where you whine about angry responses and try to compare reviewing a video game to rewriting a tax code. Let's inject a little perspective here.

    All that said. Keep doing what you do Adam. Defend it or don't, but please end the whining videos about how you dislike rating systems.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:09 PM
    jagmikey
  • d-wri

    Adam Sessler....i think I love you. Thank you for cutting through the juvenile crap and speaking with passion about what the majority of fans forget. Its ok to like something differently than someone else.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:06 PM
    d-wri
  • thejoker959

    5 out of 5 equals perfect 4 out of 5 equals great with some flaws. keep the number system its not that complicated. if people want to read the review they will.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:06 PM
    thejoker959
  • Palor

    Decent rant which I tend to agree with most of what he said. However I was sorta expecting/hoping for something on BF3. Since you know that came out today and Uncharted isn't till next week. I guess one reason is Adam is admittedly not the biggest MP fan and at heart that is what BF3 is. Perhaps it is because the review copies they sent out where for PC, and lets not lie G4 favors 360. Just seemed odd to me.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:04 PM
    Palor
  • EndlessWaltz24

    Adam, I totally understand what you mean. Honestly, it's probably a sense of validation of whether a person should spend money on a certain game, movie or other creative work.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 5:04 PM
    EndlessWaltz24
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