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Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers

Posted: October 25, 2011
Sessler's Soapbox: I Hate Numbers
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Adam uses the response to his Uncharted 3 review to talk about his distaste for applying numerical values to the quality of creative works.

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  • adamistheman

    Hands down best soapbox ever Adam. Tell our new host this should be a discussion on feedback.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 7:09 PM
    adamistheman
  • kupasoup

    Best soapbox I've ever seen.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 7:08 PM
    kupasoup
  • MisterBrown

    There's a great deal of discussion as to the level of power Adam has at G4 and why he doesn't just "change the system." It makes me curious as to why the system is in place on a site of this nature, anyway (other than the rest of the industry does it). I've never heard a critic from other game reviewing outlets become as frustrated as Adam does on a seemingly bi-annual basis. Does this not create some sort of discussion in the G4 offices? Do "higher ups" there feel that the overall website/TV station would be lacking if they didn't follow the industry standard, therefore ignoring the complaint of the man who is arguably their top editorial voice? If the numbers went away, would the core audience be less likely to read and watch the reviews, let alone enjoy G4's other content?

    I guess this is asking for a better understanding behind the executive motives and the audience in general as well. I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing the numbers go; after all, I watch Feedback for a deeper editorial discussion of the games, which hardly center around a numeric total.

    In terms of Uncharted 3, however, I do sympathize with the haters who don't want to accept the 4/5. This is strictly a case of emotions creating intellectual shortcomings. We loved the last version, and many of us have pre-ordered the third. Okay, so we haven't played it, but we simply don't want to believe that it won't totally blow our minds again. Even if the number were gone and we all read the evidence Adam discussed, we don't want to believe that Naughty Dog would have animation glitches as Nathan gently touched the walls, that the burning chateau would be inferior to any of Uncharted 2's organic environments, or that Amy Freakin' Hennig wouldn't capitalize on absolutely every story arc presented. No! We won't believe it! Let's all go over to read Greg Miller's review because his opinion must be RIGHT! Opinions can be wrong and right...right?

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:59 PM
    MisterBrown
  • Mischef

    And this is why after all these years since 2003 I still go to Xplay for honest game reviews. Adam I totally agree with you with that the number system sucks (I actually hate the 10 scale more). I think that your argument is really valid, I had a feeling that Uncharted 3 wouldn't be as refreshing as Uncharted 2 and I consider Uncharted 2 one of my favorite game of all time. However, what makes Arkham City so much better when I Uncharted 1 had more lasting effect on me? Whatever anyway keep doing what you do Adam. YOU ARE AWESOME.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:59 PM
    Mischef
  • Jeprox

    It's all about bragging rights and justification. Scores are there because it's easier for people to quickly process how good or bad a game therefore they can brag how good a game is, thus justifying their decision.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:57 PM
    Jeprox
  • adamistheman

    Hands down best soapbox ever Adam. This should be a discussion on feedback.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:55 PM
    adamistheman
  • DPsx72

    Keep the number, lose the 5 limit. That gives you no room to play with. There's a big difference between 3 and 4 in terms of ratings, but what can you do, give half points? Raise the limit to 10, 50, even the traditional 100 and that'll give you much more space to dock a couple points without making it look like the game sucks.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:53 PM
    DPsx72
  • DPsx72

    Keep the number, lose the 5 limit. That gives you no room to play with. There's a big difference between 3 and 4 in terms of ratings, but what can you do, give half points? Raise the limit to 10, 50, even the traditional 100 and that'll give you much more space to dock a couple points without making it look like the game sucks.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:52 PM
    DPsx72
  • DPsx72

    Keep the number, lose the 5 limit. That gives you no room to play with. There's a big difference between 3 and 4 in terms of ratings, but what can you do, give half points? Raise the limit to 10, 50, even the traditional 100 and that'll give you much more space to dock a couple points without making it look like the game sucks.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:51 PM
    DPsx72
  • DPsx72

    Keep the number, lose the 5 limit. That gives you no room to play with. There's a big difference between 3 and 4 in terms of ratings, but what can you do, give half points? Raise the limit to 10, 50, even the traditional 100 and that'll give you much more space to dock a couple points without making it look like the game sucks.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:50 PM
    DPsx72
  • Mischef

    And this is why after all these years since 2003 I still go to Xplay for honest game reviews. Adam I totally agree with you with that the number system sucks (I actually hate the 10 scale more). I think that your argument is really valid, I had a feeling that Uncharted 3 wouldn't be as refreshing as Uncharted 2 and I consider Uncharted 2 one of my favorite game of all time. However, what makes Arkham City so much better when I Uncharted 1 had more lasting effect on me? Whatever anyway keep doing what you do Adam. YOU ARE AWESOME.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:49 PM
    Mischef
  • Illinois Broski

    What's hard to understand is why all the other sites have given the game such praise and decide to overlook the small flaws that all games have, but Sessler decides they merit a lower score. I'd just like more consistency. Just because it isn't as good as Uncharted 2 doesn't mean it has to be a 4/5. I know I haven't played the game, but there are games out now that have predictable or cheesy stories (like Gears). Is Dance Central 2 really more fun than Uncharted 3? Even a game I like like Resistance 3 has its flaws, but I wouldn't give it a lower score because of small flaws. What I'm trying to say is if Uncharted 3 is better than other games that get a 4/5 like Captain America, Brink, and many others WHY DID IT GET A 4/5?

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:46 PM
    Illinois+Broski
  • Trityler

    This is like... the third time we've had this be the soapbox topic. I say get rid of numbers, but I know that is not Adam's decision to make.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:43 PM
    Trityler
  • rikkuster

    I want to say that I wouldn't mind if G4 got rid of the number system. A number doesn't tell me what the gameplay is like. A number doesn't tell me what the story is about. This is why a written, or recorded, review is much more valuable to me as a consumer. That, and it's much more interesting. And as for those Pros and Cons, a suggestion might be to put those at the end of the review as opposed to the beginning. It doesn't completely get rid of the issue Adam is pointing out, but I think it could help alleviate it at least a little.

    And I'm also thankful that you'll continue to review games, Adam. Your reviews are very intellectual and interesting, if not a little wordy :P

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:38 PM
    rikkuster
  • Leichenhaft

    I give your /rant a 5 out of 5. Just kidding, but I do agree wholeheartedly with what you're getting at. The value and quality of games do have some finite amount of general, objective, common denominators; but the overall value of a game is subjective due to the fact that everyone has different tastes. Even if a game is rated 5 out of 5 it doesn't mean that I will personally like it, or that a game rated 1 out of 5 means I will hate it.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:35 PM
  • Lattyice

    I give this soapbox a 2 out of 5

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:31 PM
  • Bloodthr0e

    It's hard to expect an unbiased review sometimes on G4 when you look at the reviews for games like Zelda OOT, where the game isn't being critically reviewed and Nintendo is just being given praise, or Duke Nukem Forever, which was given a 1/5 and the whole review was a hate rant. I understand that I can expect a fair review from Adam and Morgan, but that consistency does expand to every reviewer on G4 and I think a lack of consistency is what hurts a number review system.

    Spill.com has a rating method for movies where they say whether the movie is worth a pass, rental, matinee, full price, or better than sex. I would like to see a more descriptive rating method like that applied to video games. A number rating isn't perfect, but what really is? Does the problem lie in the inaccuracies of a number system or does it lie in the fanboys who misuse the number system to define their game as being better than another? I think the fanboys are the problem and getting rid of the number system doesn't get rid of them.

    I think the whole reason people want to hear a review of a game is because they want to know it's worth. Whether that worth is called a rental or a 3, it needs to be given somehow. We don't care who this Jimmy guy is and whether he liked a game, we want to know, from a mature, unbiased standpoint, if it is worth our time, if we are into that sort of game.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:23 PM
  • Spybreak

    /rant haha yup let it out Mr. Sess

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:23 PM
    Spybreak
  • candle

    this is exactly the reason why i think the whole bf3 vs. mw3 thing is completely and utterly stupid

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:23 PM
    candle
  • Harvock

    That will do Adam that will do.

    Faithfull Follower of the Sess.

    Posted: October 25, 2011 6:18 PM
    Harvock
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