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I'm a bit disappointed with the map choice. This map doesn't show skeptics AND fans alike what battlefield is all about. There wasn't that expert chopper pilot and gunner to contend with or a Bradley mowing down the cover or a UAV marking targets or relaying enemy positions to your squad on your mic. There were no buildings or compounds to blowup and destroy. There were no squad flanking vehicles such as an ATV or HMV. There is not any defensive mounted heavy machine guns in the map. Plus to top it off the scale wasn't very big compared to past maps. It seemed as if the map was really 3 or 4 separate maps combined by choke points/fatal funnels than a giant battlefield. The maps were not long enough for snipers to have to compensate for gravity either. In general a lot of elements missing. All in all this was a poor choice of a map to try and lure in a new fan base considering it doesn't have a lot of the elements of the game that makes BF a battlefield!Now a look on the brighter side: What the game has, and will always be far superior in to any competitor, is the absolute need for effective small squad tactics. If you don't know basic infantry react to contact, or how to use a support and attack elements to take an objective; this game will be very hard to you, and you will find little personal enjoyment in the game. Call of duty has always been about talking crap, heck I love doing that because in arcade style games that what people do. But there is nobody to talk crap to in BF because you can't communicate with the other team in between rounds. And if you got killed odds are you didn t have a squad member with you who had your back. And you have no crap to speak. They got you fair and square. If you don't like being sniped, then take out the sniper! Heck they added prone so use your cover more effectively. You can't run and gun Rambo this game. It doesn't work (most of the time) unless your extremely lucky. Locate your cover/concealment and move to it. Use your squad. Spawn on them. Quickly bound up to the objective and hey! Look at that! Your already on top of the sniper stabbing him for his dog tags. He couldn't shoot you because you didn't let yourself get shot at and didn t reveal yourself for more than a couple seconds at a time! Dang that's a hard concept, but too many people are too impatient sometimes and just run across an open field (me included) CoD Rambo it. It happens. I'm not going to lie when I switched to BC2 from MW2 I freaking hated it. With a passion. I put it back on the shelf for months then thought I would give it another shot. It takes a while to get used to the feel and the learning curve is fairly steep especially in vehicle warfare. But dang this has absolutely been my favorite fps ever. I reserved my copy the as soon as I heard it was possible. I know this game will be epic granted a few glitches because of its hasty release, but the technology and game mechanics are top notch. I'm getting MW3 for the story but as for multiplayer BF all the way, unless I want that arcade shoot 'em up cod feel. It's impossible to really determine which game is better. Because first and most importantly they aren't the same type of game; the feel and play style of the 2 multiplayer's are completely opposite of each other. AND 2 THE GAMES HAVENT EVEN BEEN RELEASED. Regardless of that fact I love what BF3 has to offer and will definitely spend countless hours playing its multiplayer after the disc release.
Played the beta on 360 as well as PC, and the difference is amazing. Glitches are still there, but I'm not sure people realize that the alpha testing has ran it's course...they have fixed most of the bugs I'm sure, because just like the game can't be tweaked in a couple of weeks, the beta build has been built for a while too. In my mind, the open beta serves two purposes here. The first is so we can all satisfy our desire to experience the GAMEPLAY (key word there) before release...keeping their fanbase happy, because a glimpse of BF3 is better than none at all, and the second is so they can test their servers handling a massive load of gamers playing at once, which is what the BF series is known for to begin with. Will it kill CoD? Probably not. Not a big fan of that series anyways, but some are, and they are two completely different games, in a sense of gameplay and tactics, in the same genre. And as crazy as it sounds, people can like BOTH BF and CoD....
This can be something big, something, that makes us forget about COD or MWF mini Maps and Noobs or second chance SOB's, claymore traps (and ON and ON)We are all waiting for something like this. So .... Do not disappoint us!!!!
and when the beta opened up call of duty finally died in my opinion finally.......its finally dead
I can't say the beta is failing though. Sure there are plaenty of problems such as the rampant gliches, bugs and server problems, but the core mechanics are actually very nice. But, I'm not going to sit here with my head in the clouds either. The game won't be done by release date. It'll be just like Dead Island, which is a great game, but so buggy it's ridiculous. With the introduction of online patches, companies no longer have to put out a finished product. Is it just me or does that seem wrong? A game should be complete when I spend my $60 on it. Otherwise, put it on the shelf for less.There are things that COD simply does not have. The range of battle, the nuances of the weapons, and by this I mean tactical lights and selective fire, and the smooth movement. I love that, and if I was confident in the quality of the game, I may have been converted. But no, I was running through the map and suddenly I am underneath the ground, able to shoot up at whoever I like. Sure MW2 had an elevator glich that did the same from above, but that took a process to do that went around the codes. BF3, it happens everywhere. Every hill. Nearly every sprint on uneven terrain. That's simply bad coding.All in all, I'll take the more arcade-esque Call of Duty. I see no point in spending $60 on a game I know won't be complete and polished. MW3 will have some bugs, but I am confident the ground won't bounce when I lay down.
I hope people know that the server problems were fixed on the PC at least, so there should be no more problems. I played for a while today and no bugs/glitches, and the game is 10x better with no glitches!!!
Just downloaded the Beta. I played it for about 45 minutes and I have to say. This game sucks. I have no idea why people are calling it the COD killer. I have never liked the Multiplayer for BF games. But with all the hype I figured this would be a lot better than it was. Horrible. And yeah I know its a Beta so glitches and such are expected. But I was no impressed at all.
Ok since I know its very annoying that everyone is just throwing their opinions on here like anyone really cares, but as a longtime battlefield veteran and beta tester, I have to point out a few things that DICE completely failed on when it came to this beta. First off before my own kind hate on what i just said, yes this Beta is great, yes this solidified my purchase when i got a little skeptical, and yes this game is worth the admission ten-fold.However DICE dropped the ball with this beta in three major ways:1.) Rush mode. Im a long time fan of this series, and i feel confident in saying that rush is a blast, but it is by far the inferior mode. Its like conquest for ADHD kids. There's going to be obvious slaughter for the attacking side, there's going to be non-tactical position holding (aka "camping"), and its going to give newcomers to the series (apparently a big goal for the game), the wrong impression. Rush is okay, but not the essence of the series. It doesn't capture the feeling and tactics that conquest brings to the series with its sheer scope, which brings about the second point....2.) Vehicles. By far and large the biggest staple of the Battlefield series is its total battle experience. Everything is there, from specialized solider types, to massively devastating vehicle encounters, and vehicles are easily the most lovable thing about the series. On top of that, BF3 is trying to compete with CoD, and it has one gigantic vulcan-cannon-120mm-smoothbore -cannon-blasting-armored-tread ed-flying--long-range-fast-mov ing- thing going for it that CoD cannot even begin to put into concept stage, and that is vehicle combat. The mix between infantry/vehicle combat is beautiful in battlefield, and one thing i personally believe could make people switch fences when deciding on their big shooter purchase this holiday, and this was it DICE. Tack on top of that the feeling that the engineers get in the Beta. There are no vehicles in there, so basically the engineers turn into a sub-machine gun with a wall busting rocket (keep in mind, this isn't CoD, sub-machine guns don't instantly win you a firefight from any distance). This is wrong, the engineer has always been on of the most pivotal,varying, and fun classes to play in the series. They really dropped the ball on this one, think harder next time DICE.3.) The map. Operation Metro is awesome, its a great mix of all types of engagements, its beautiful, its dynamic, but I believe I'm backed up in saying this, but its just not the best that Battlefield has or can offer. Something about it doesn't catch the scale of battlefield, and this is coming from someone who loved their close-quarters maps recently (read: really, really, yes really, huge maps compared to any other FPS, just with very intense firefights inside certain sections, like small villages, docks, or warehouses.). Something about it just doesn't scream balls to the wall like oasis, or wake island, or karkand. they could have picked a better map, hell they could have thrown Caspian Border into the mix and win them selves +4 internets and probably a slew of converts.All in all this is just nitpicking from a dedicated fan. I'm getting off this to sink more hours into the Beta, because it is that enjoyable as of now, and it is getting better with each update. I just think they could have made better choices with a few choice things. Anyway enough of this, my team needs me because no one else knows how to play the medic class. Cheers, and have fun with the Beta and the final game when its out.
So when is the MW3 beta? Oh wait...
i played BC2. never wanted BF3, never looked in to it. i laughed every time someone said it would beat out CoD. low and beyond everyone is hating on the beta, well i make the right choice on that one.
How are people complaining about snipers? It's so easy to spot them with the huge glare off of scopes. Just learn to shoot straighter and move around.
Playing beta... and... It is... buggy and glitchy. Many people are saying that its not the "final" version and EA and DICE secretly have a better version of the game out, but for (what-ever-reason) is not letting us play it. You know how many games I have heard something similar?Remember Vanguard: SAGA OF HEROES? It was made by the creators of EverQuest and they promised the NEXTGEN videogame. I was beta testing it... glitches galore. However, they kept saying: We are almost ready with our "FINAL BUILD" - bare with us. The game comapny also pointed out that they were testing the servers with programs in the background that were causing extra lag and crashes. So I muddled thru. Then RETAIL HIT, and they announced the RETAIL PATCH. It barely improved anything. Some of the server stability got worse... because there were MORE people in the game.Point is, the game is comming out within weeks. SMELL THE ROSES. There is no mystical OMG THEY ARE USING A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE GAME THAN WE ARE. There is no wonder patch that will fix most everything. The game is either done and we are playing it... or they will tweak a few minor things... does it take 4 bullets to kill you with a AK47 or 5 at range 150meters?Trust me, this is no BETA its a demo and DICE will be (I am sure) chaging stuff - but it does take time. There is not enough time to redesign the major portions of the game or include major changes. The game is launching... WITHIN WEEKS. How do you create millions of new lines of code, test it to make sure it does not cause additional errors and glitches, and launch it... in weeks? Nasa has trouble figuring out where a crashing object is going to hit... DICE wont have anyone who can work miracles that will fix the game beyound what you see now?Need more proof? Ever play Stardock's Elemental: War of Magic? Elemental is a fantasy strategy game set on a world filled with magic and ancient lore. Rule a fledgling kingdom and expand it across the world through a combination of magical power, military might, diplomatic skill, technological advancement and bold adventuring. Kinda like Master of Magic. The game was... ugly in beta and had severely glitches. However, these are the people who had produced allot of great games. I believed in them. They said: DONT WORRY, we are working with the final product right now. We need to test specific items. So I kept beta testing and kept my pre-order. THEN Retail launch. It was the same game, same engine and the same problems as beta minus one or two tweaks. That game almost bankrupt Stardock and I will refuse to buy any game from them until its been out a month and after i read several reviews.Get the point?
what i dont understand is why people always say with call of duty about the perks is that there isnt real perks like that in real wars.... some like skill others are equipment... okay marathon.... we all run into people that we see that can run faster than us there is no point in arguing that... scavenger... okay now if you was in war thats just like when you kill someone you pick up their guns and ammo ( which i doubt would happen because no one want to get killed ).... ghost... its just a fancy word for camo that snipers use when hiding from people.... lightweight is just when some1 isnt carrying 20 pounds of equipment on them like the rest would... sleight of hand is when someone know a gun so well they can reload with ease... while someone like me who knows nothing would take a min more to do it... i mean i could say more with the rest of the perks but that takes too much time... i just want people to understand they are looking at it in the wrong direction... its there you just have to just look at it different from putting a marathon sticker and saying i can run forever now... now when you say about the pro perk system thats nearly the samething... and besides its just a game... there isnt one game ever made that is 100% realistic... saying that because nothing is 100%
Call of Duty is safe
REALLY wanted to like this game. Playing the Beta, it's all I can do to stay awake. If you move, at all, some sniper will pick you off....because EVERYONE is sniping. So, to counter, I decided to snipe....yawn...lying around waiting for someone to run into my field of view is excruciating. I may as well be playing Duck Hunt. Going to GameStop tomorrow to move my pre-order to MW3. I would like to thank the devs for allowing us to play the Beta before game release...saved me some $.I'm sure I'll get someone talking about all the "strategy" involved. Well, these are probably the same people who talk about all the strategy of soccer too. Strategize all you want, but I don't want to sit around for three hours watching a 1-0 game. If you like this game, have at it and have fun. I don't particularly enjoy it though.
What I do have to say is this. Folks! Once again us the gamers are getting PLAYED. This is a cookie cutter game! Same type of gameplay as BF2, same as Medal of Honor(the afghan one). Run here to this box press button alarm goes off repeat all over again. Companies are making tons of money from us and this is what we get "cookie cutter games". Please its been years since BF2 and still nothing new to say "WOW". The only change is weapon customization which is a plus. Orange grenade c'mon man. nothing there. Graphic wise well its a beta, I'll wait and see when the game comes out.
I'm in the beta, and overall its been a great experience. I guess it's keeping in line with the Battlefield franchise, but dying is very... boring? One thing DICE did well from MoH was the thud you almost felt through the screen when the bullets sliced through you. I wish they could have brought that experience to BF3. The gun's behave and sound well, and the progression keeps you playing. May times I was going to turn it off, I would unlock something and have to keep playing to try out the upgrade!The only issues I see are - gun light attachements are way to bright. Intentional maybe but far too bright, especially in daylight, overall in places the lighting is a little off, but I'm sure that will all be fixed for release. UMP45 is waaay over powered. One shot in the body on many occasions, reminds me of MW2!Also, this video does not do the game justice. I'm running it on my rig at 2560 X 1440 with everything on high and it looks amazing!Can't wait for them to unlock tanks and release a new map!
I got the 2 day early access on xbox. The system is capable of great graphics. The issue is these companies are to busy pumping games out as fast as they can instead of building the game around each system. That's great if you have a PC that plays the latest games. The 360 and ps3 owners are getting short changed with a crappy port from pc. I have all systems and I have seen more in depth games that are way bigger than BF3 with way better graphics. Come on there is not that much in these games. Its not like they spent that last 5 years reinventing the way we play FPS games. The basic format is the same. Spend some times building some awesome texture packs for each system. I know its not all about graphics but at the same time they can spruce up the textures. The game feels like first wave titles for the xbox and ps3 when the hardware was so new that the developers didn't know how to build the best looking games. Hell look at Skyrim. The game is what. 10x bigger than BF3 and they compressed the textures and made the game look great and the content is far more vast than any FPS. And they did it for each system not just the PC. So stop pushing games out, build an engine that pushes all systems to the max and give me the eye candy you damn tv spots promise me. "Actual Game play" my ass. Make sure to say that the game play is on a $2500 pc. And pc builders i don't want to hear how you can "build a pc that play it on max for 800$" that's not the point.
THIS is supposed to be better than MW3?Sigh...
Really can't wait for this. 64 players, max video settings, it's gonna be heaven :)
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