Feedback -- Diablo 3 Beta & Evolution 2011 Impressions

Posted: August 3, 2011
Feedback -- Diablo 3 Beta & Evolution 2011 Impressions
In this edition of Feedback, Adam Sessler and the G4tv discuss about the recent Diablo 3 beta gameplay and the new audition house mechanics. Also, our own Ernie Moreno shares his thoughts on the biggest fighting tournament, EVO 2011.

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  • Delisage

    How does this D3 real money thing rectify with their increased focus on PvP and PvP teams within the game? Buy top gear to stomp faces. Great combination.

    Posted: August 4, 2011 8:14 AM
  • Freeman776

    Very informative and entertain, as always.
    Adam, as an avid fighting game player and fan, I can say that, for a non-fighting game player forced to commentate Evo, you did a fine job last year.

    Posted: August 4, 2011 8:13 AM
  • Bitshift3r

    Nintendo needs new IP or it's going to die. Plain and simple.

    Posted: August 4, 2011 7:51 AM
  • ShdwFox

    After this feedback I'm on the fence again about the whole D3 auction house issue.

    As far as what Leah was saying, I completely disagree. If that really was Blizzard's true motive, it's extremely morally ambiguous. Instead of telling cheaters black market dealers that it's ok to buy and sell in-game items, they should instead be taking a stronger stance on this issue. This could be done by seeking stronger, legal actions from the government or increasing in-game security against these threats. And yes, regardless of how you white-coat it, they are making a profit by doing this. So regardless of what you say, nobody knows what their true motives for why their deciding to get a cut of the profits. It could be simple greed, or yes, it could be that they just feel they deserve it. But you just don't know for certain either way.

    And as Adam pointed out, I'm also very scared at the idea of Blizzard using this to money launder players. As Blair pointed out, their going to try and leave the economy alone. Especially with the regards to in-game item drops. But the part that scares me is this: Blizzard doesn't have to just alter item drops to affect the economy. They could introduce a patch, that say, increased the critical strike damage of an ability the Wizard-class owns. And this in turn, would create a greater demand on weapons that give a greater critical strike chance to exploit this new damage potential. Ultimately, this going to affect the economy by creating less supply on high, critical strike chance weapons. In this sense, Blizzard could purposely do this not to affect the balancing of various classes, but instead could be purposely doing this to target items with low demand or nerf a class to target items with too high of a demand. To be honest, if Diablo 3 does do patch updates, I can't see this game going on for a few months without somebody trying to take legal action against them, should any of these patches affect the game's economy significantly.

    On a side note, the "it's not available on hardcore mode" is a rather mute argument. Anybody who played Diablo II knows hardcore characters aren't very popular to begin with. Because most people who invest the time into a character they've played for days, weeks, or even months, typically don't like the idea of them getting deleted over a simple mistake. Or worse yet, bugs, glitches or simple lag.

    Overall, despite what I've said I'm excited over the concept. I do have fears, but I agree with Sessler when I believe Blizzard is one of the few gaming companies that will know how to handle it properly.

    Posted: August 4, 2011 3:07 AM
  • top8cat

    If my military channel memory serves me correctly, arrows are labeled in the missile family, so in theory, a ''magic missile'' is simply a magic arrow.

    Love the show, keep up the good work.

    Posted: August 4, 2011 12:43 AM
  • TibrisG

    Well that got creepy real quick

    Posted: August 3, 2011 10:11 PM
  • kings_legacy


    Posted: August 3, 2011 9:59 PM
  • ZoMbIEx23x

    I frequent this site and gameinformer, and their article on the topic on their site mentioned that you would be able to have 5 free listings a week in the real money auction house. Thought that was cool.

    Leah, ; )

    Posted: August 3, 2011 9:53 PM
  • Thogin

    LoL @Jungan, I like your comment, I wonder if you have a GF/Wife...

    I actually got one of those Gamestop newsletters... and it said.... Pre order D3 now... and it had a release date, it was 2011... 12

    Now I know Gamestop love to do these things where they lie to your face.... But we can all hope right

    @Leah, LOL so you don't cut your hair unless you been on feedback??

    Posted: August 3, 2011 9:28 PM
  • BoydofZINJ

    Leah is always hot.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 8:03 PM
  • Arm3g3don

    Blair's blunt, frank attitude is great. Love the way he speaks directly and from the heart. No pc, G-rated expression of his thoughts.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 7:56 PM
  • fallenmoogla

    Great episode. just didn't like the comment on F2P games not making money. I know like 20-30 people that play League of legends hardcore and casually, They all spend some money on the game. B/C come on who doesn't want to look awesome when playing. (buying character skins)

    Posted: August 3, 2011 7:35 PM
  • Dexter111

    Industry apologetics, arguments like "if they wouldn't do it, someone else would", which you could use to whitewash almost everything, even WW2 and buying justifications by a dev whose decisions have been focused around nothing else but making MORE money for the past 5 years are making me sad.

    1) Games are supposed to be about fun... you pay for a product and it brings you fun, you bring real money into it and make it Pay2Win (Diablo 2 had quite a large PvP community and Diablo 3 announced Arenas and other things to do for PvP, also general farming and killing things etc. will be easier with better equipment) and it becomes a really different kind of monster. One that I am certainly not putting any money down for and will "deal with", because I am not in any way forced to get their game just cause they are "rich", they are supposed to solicit me to get their entertainment product, not the other way around. They also said that the Auction House will include buying and selling characters at a later date.

    2) All the people actually believing that they are going to make any/lots of money off of this are wrong, the only parties that will make a lot of money from this are Blizzard and Gold sellers.
    Blizzard takes a standard fee:
    a) When you make an auction in the "money" auction house (which doesn't mean it is going to sell, in which case they are going to take another fee if you put it up again)
    b) When you manage to sell said item
    c) If you choose to extract said money out of their environment they take another commission/fee... otherwise they profit from it anyway because it stays in-house.
    YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE to make huge amounts of money because there are people in Asia and other low per-capita income countries who will sit there and do nothing but grind money and items and they will offer more of them, at a lower price, they will also undercut your auctions.

    3) The two different auction houses, the one with gold and the other with real money are NOT separate from each other. YOU ARE ABLE TO BUY GOLD with real money, Blizzard has said so much:
    "Q: Can we buy gold from the currency-based auction house?
    A: Players will be able to buy and sell gold through the currency-based auction house at whatever the current market price is, as established by the player community."
    which will likely lead to inflation or hyper-inflation of the IG currency... What will this mean for players that want to trade without spending any real money? They will have to grind for days or weeks to get the needed amount of gold for an item or say "screw it" and make Blizzard more real money.

    4) By this action Blizzard not only legitimizes gold farming in sweatshop in China or other (largely Asian) countries, but they also say that it seems to be all a-okay as long as THEY also get their part of the money. Not only is it morally ambiguous and they said that they basically don't care because "gold farmers and players really are doing the same activity"
    http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/ 08/02/blizzard-on-diablo-3-gol d-farmers-and-players-really-d oing-the-same-activity/
    but they PROFIT off of it and become responsible for the practice.

    5) This will not DECREASE but most likely increase Account Hacking, botting etc., with a larger market and more opportunity to make money being an InGame feature, the incentive to get into those accounts and get their items and gold is even higher than it was before, because they all have a real money value now.

    6) With this in place Blizzard (and other developers) designing the game to be the most profitable it can be is on the table... Before this was possible, that item drop that had a 0.001% chance instead of 100% or 20% was a game/game balance decision. Now it will be a "projected profits" decision. It breaks the really fine line between a game being fun and making the most money possible a lot of "Free2Play" games don't seem to get right... but at least those are FREE and don't cost 60$/ on top.

    Not to say that this is not the *only* bad news to come from Blizzard, but they also announced that the game will not only have no LAN Mode but will also have NO Offline SinglePlayer, and that "modding" your game is now prohibited in any way or form and a bannable offense.

    Activision/Blizzard already crossed that line from where I can support them on the basis that they make good games to the amount of greed they display before this though, even without the new changes I wouldn't have gotten the game, but this is just comically evil...
    I did a long post on why I think that way a while back when the StarCraft2 Beta was still going on that did get a bit of attention btw. titled "Activision Blizzard History" over here: http://tinyurl.com/25mhrhu

    Torchlight 2 on the other hand will be having an actual Single Player Mode, a LAN Mode, no Pay2Win cash-shop, will be heavily modable (like the first part) because they'll release the dev tools and will also have Skills/Stats, also offer 4 player co-op and will only cost ~20$/ If the last Beta video is anything to go by it even *looks* and *sounds* better at this point:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=rl7VITx0k5Q
    http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=NeVj6O4jSwE

    We'll probably see more about it at the Gamescom and it's also set to release in ~2 months... :P

    They also have a lot of the old Blizzard North crew onboard that actually DID the original Diablo I/II before Blizzard/Vivendi closed the studio in 2005, among others two of the founders of Blizz North: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R unic_Games
    And even the guy that did the Music for Diablo I/II: http://www.torchlight2game.com /news/2011/05/06/music-of-torc hlight-ii/

    I'll just be getting that instead, and maybe "Grim Dawn" by the guys that did Titan Quest, thank you.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 7:29 PM
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    Posted: August 3, 2011 7:29 PM
  • MrFishBulb

    EVO did not disappoint , the Grand finals for most of the games was awesome.

    My only gripe is the Tekken Tournament. I love Tekken, i'm even putting in more time with my characters now after EVO, but I don't know if it's lack of character variety in the top 8, or the lack of flash that the other games have when executing combos, but It just didn't have that same excitement watching it compared to the other tournaments.

    The MvC3 Tournament on the other hand.....WOW.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 7:25 PM
  • MySmileIsARifle

    I love it when Blair is on Feedback; it feels so natural for him. There's no doubt in my mind that he is a true gamer.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 5:48 PM
  • Barbuganot

    So does anyone else think Leah looks really attractive today?

    Posted: August 3, 2011 5:26 PM
  • Gamedude90

    We need more Leah and Nikole on Feedback.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 5:16 PM
  • cwhas2godhands

    They probably had to search pretty hard to find something to talk about this week. What a lame summer for video games.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 5:04 PM
  • AK1RA666

    Another great episode of Feedback, Diablo will be awesome and EVO was killer. Adam don't listen to the internet, for somebody that doesn't play fighting games you did a good job at last years EVO. The fighting game community can tend to be a little elitist sometimes but that in no way reflects what everyone in the community is like.

    Posted: August 3, 2011 4:32 PM