Sessler's Soapbox: Bin Laden Been Gamin'

Posted: May 10, 2011
Sessler's Soapbox: Bin Laden Been Gamin'
Adam discusses the recent influx of Bin Laden inspired video games and how this expression may legitimize games as art.

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  • g4fan247

    I agree with Adam on this soapbox. Keep up the good work Adam.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 5:35 PM
  • Dredgon

    Well said, Adam, well said. Another great Soapbox!

    Posted: May 10, 2011 5:09 PM
  • himynameiswhatmynameis

    Hey Adam,
    Were you in front of the grocery store at 3rd and La Brea today?? around 3:30pm??

    Posted: May 10, 2011 4:33 PM
  • ListenUp

    lol..People just wanna kill Osama Bin Laden. I can't help but laugh at the amount of deep thinking Adam put into this. Bad games about a very serious subject = artistic expression? No.

    Capitalizing on peoples hatred for a certain executed terrorist leader = sales or advertising $$$. Yes!

    Not expression, just business. Maybe mods, but people mod regardless of a terrorist dying.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 4:08 PM
  • Holmes108

    I will add, though, that videogames are certainly a form of expression, as Adam says. But that doesn't mean that it's art.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 3:21 PM
  • Holmes108

    I still don't agree that videogames are art.

    The whole point is, though, that it's NOT an insult. I think most gamers get their panties in a bunch because they think that if you say it's not art, then you are insinuating it's LESSER than art. It doesn't have to be worse.... it's just not accurate. It's a label debate, for most of us, and nothing more.

    Obviously the definition of art isn't universally agreed upon.. but that's the debate... the accuracy of a label. Many take the argument much more personally than that, and there's no reason.. To me, saying videogames are art is just simply inaccurate... much like if you called a painting a videogame.

    A game is made up of artistic elements, obviously. It has artwork within it... but that doesn't, by definition to me, make it art. There are several reasons why I believe in a more "traditional" definition of art... but the main one I'll bring up is interactivity. To me, art is NOT interactive. That's why, in my mind, Movies still qualify. It's an artist presenting something in a specific way.

    I know people that don't even agree that Movies are art. They have an even more traditional definition that only includes paintings, sculptures etc... I disagree with the movie aspect, but I totally get where they are coming from. Again, they aren't saying movies are less important, or of a lesser quality than paintings... they just think the label is plain wrong.

    Sorry for the massive post... just been wanting to get my point of view out there for some time now.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 3:17 PM

    I reckon what holds games back from the mainstream is 1 the diversity: wii fit, starcraft and duke nukem are all 'games' but they could not be more different as experiences, and the fact a core game without action in it is unlikey to sell. no i didn't think that post throught very carefully but i've had a hard week so what the hell

    Posted: May 10, 2011 2:42 PM
  • flyingchicken

    Video games are beyond the definition of art.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 2:25 PM
  • cwbys21

    I think a comparison with kings having paintings and what not of their military exploits would have been a better comparison than a painting of a river flooding to try to bring up the games as art debate again. But I think this is more a form of nationalism and wanting to experience, no matter how divorced from facts the mod is, the downfall of a man who has influenced so much of our lives in a negative way, than anything artistic.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:57 PM
  • TheShuggie

    I couldn't agree more, Mr. Sessler, as usual. I find it difficult to explain, but I stopped playing games for pure fun factor a long time ago. I'll play a game like Call of Duty and have fun but still expect something more. Nevertheless, the popularity of games like the aforementioned CoD fascinate me. Why are images of war so interesting to people, including myself? Well, you already discussed that. Thanks for more things to think about. P.S. Don't stop making these because they're half the reason I still go to g4tv.com lol.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:54 PM
  • xScarecrowX

    Loved it, as always, Mr. Sessler.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:28 PM
  • JustTheBeginning

    Heavy Rain is a great example oh being placed in another person's shoes and experiencing real consequences for your actions.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:16 PM
  • sy_cred

    I agree with the experience. At the end of the game you go yeah I'm awesome. End of a movie you go that was cool, but for me it feels like well that's the end of that now what to do. Plus how many movies freak you out as much as a game can for horror games. Sure paranormal activity was nice, but I still prefer play Silent Hill or Dead Space 2 for shock. But thats my take of the artistic aspect. But yeah military games are so popular because well war sucks and the games really don't show all the reasons why. Like a hole as the toilet or the bland food. But at least you get to be an awesome soldier that doesn't have to go through the training or the after affects of being in a war. As far as people making mock ups of real life events not much you can do it will happen. Anyway thats just what games are a way to try to experience something you really can't or make you feel good. Lets be honest games are kinda like a feel good drug "not that it is bad" games will do like what the rule 34 does to other things you know. What can be made into a game will be made into a game.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:15 PM
  • justabum

    ..i too agree that games are a window into experiences that we may never have..i think that the large number of shooters, like you said, is indicative of the times..but also its just fun, we are a violent people and its very much a power fantasy..but i do believe that there are a great many experiences that i have not had that a well designed game can give me, or imitate..however ya look at it..but are those experiences fun..heavy rain was an awsome game, great story and emotional connection..but i cant say it was "fun" to experience losing a child..but it was definitely something i could empathize with...hmm, not real sure where i was goin with this..

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:06 PM
  • Fatchunk

    Very well said Mr. Sessler.

    Posted: May 10, 2011 12:02 PM