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Just as a side note, I remember capturing "Saddam Hussein" in a spider-hole in SOCOM 3.
I don't really regard seeing current events in games to be something all that new (Although it seems to be used more now). I remember finding that Moroccan dictator in a spider-hole in SOCOM 3 only a little while after Saddam Hussein was captured in real life, just as an example.
Good idea, but I think you're overanalyzing Bin Laden's presence in video games. I don't think that these mods are made with such high-minded intentions; people just think it's fun to kill America's most wanted terrorist. On the other hand, there have been games that grapple with big issues and were better for it. Just look at Metal Gear Solid - it's clearly an attack on nuclear deterrence theory, government, and futility of war itself. So can video games be artistically sophisticated and politically relevant? Yes, but other than a handful of examples, we really haven't seen it done well yet.
Goofy yet insightful.good show ol chap! Lol
Thank god that X-play is still around and that Sessler's Soapbox is still up and running the last things about G4tv that have anything to do with video games its a bit heart breaking i have been watching since G4tv was a show itself on techtv and when it went indipendant from it that was the golden days great all game based content like arena, xplay, and others that I cant even remeber cause its been too long. I know that the producers dont think there is a market for that anymore but they are wrong look at the succsess of videogame comentators on youtube. There is still a demand for purely videogame based entertainment and i hope that one day i can turn my tv to G4 and not just see another re run of cops
I think we should view videogames as art. When you think about it an artist never makes something for only he/she too see, it is for the world to see. Why do you think that we always the that the beatuy is in the eye of beholder? It is because that art is the interaction and communication of ideas in a piece. Think about why do people make art? It is to convey a message or theme that is important to them and they think should be important in the world. It is no different in videogames, movies, music, or books. Everything has a theme, a point they trying to get across to the beholder.So then why can we not just view games as an artform? Is it because we live under the sterotypic society in which everything must conform to a certain set of standards and if not is something that is wrong and outrageous and can not be accepted? If people would just and think for a second that all you are doing is buying into the mainstream idea that games are and never will be art then you really should question as why you come to this site and you play these games. If not for the entertainment then what? And isn't that really what art is all about, source of relaxtion and entertainment, but a way to talk and commiucate in language and pictures rather than spoken words.If people really put their own biases aside they would see the beatuy in it all and the fact that just like a good book, so too can a videogame convey a message that is bigger than itself and bigger than the person experencing that situation. For me that is what brings me back and I will keep coming back to vidoegames just like I do books, movies, and music. It is the experience that we all are searching for why not just think of games as another way to experience what you can not or will not do because you are a human. Think about that why do you what do? Question yourself not the artform.Games are art plain and simple
I totally agree, when I was at pax east I saw a game where you are blind and you have to use a sonar type mechanic to play, I hope we see more stuff like this in the future
Thank you for, as always, an insightful commentary. I don't always agree with your conclusions,and I'm pretty sure I'm 180 degrees from you politically, but you always provide an interesting springboard for contemplation and discussion. Man, there's so much quality content on G4TV.com, it's kind of a shame that more of it isn't shown on the network itself. At least the Soapbox and Feedback are available somewhere, so I should take comfort in that. From one aging nerd to another, keep up the good, smart and funny work.Kerry H
How about explaining why you gave me a thumbs down, rather than being anonymous about it. Categorizing things only fuels peoples opinions of what to think about it. When you add something to a category, its value is weighed against the better and the worse in its category. Thus shoehorning it into something it may not be. This is why we have the same games coming out on a yearly basis. This is why developers will not take more chances on new IPs.When you leave something to be judged on its own, nothing else can affect the perceived value of it, but you.
Art is a dumb made up word to categorize things that should never be categorized.
No real games out to play right now in my opinion. Brink was kind of a disappointment, and aside from L.A. Noire coming out next week, which i will no doubt been in less than a week, I will be having some time on my hands. I would like to see another Sessler's Book Club. Just sayin' last one was in something like 2008. How about another? I could use a good book until, oh I don't know, 11/11/11.
The Epic of Gilgamesh... Yay! :PGreat soapbox, Mr. Sessler.
to those who say games are not art i say this-art is itself interactive and never fully conveys a full representation of an artist to the viewer. an example of things critics of this craft forget is that pictures and drawings are made to represent what is to be seen(Picasso, Michelangelo), music is orchestrated to create a mood(Bach, Mozart), phrasing is used by the characters to create a unique interaction(Tolkien, Robert Frost), and that movements are done to display what cannot be said person to person(Michelangelo(statues), ballerinas). these are just used in a way that a person uniquely views and interacts within a limited structure. in books the stuff that is not described down to the tiniest detail leaves our minds to fill in the blanks. in music we see what we hear depending on the mood it brings before us. paintings/statues leave us to ponder what they are looking at or what the people are going to do or were doing or even what is going on around them. dancing/movement tells us one thing when the person(s) or mood is bereft of another at that time.books inform you of what is needed to be known and let you interpret the words as you see best giving the scenario(think sherlock holmes books vs self-help) one informs you of the answer subtly but the other tells you forthright the problem and solutions to it .movies use these elements but convey only what the writer has envisioned the main character will do down to the millisecond. videogames allow one to react ant interact as they would/wish they could while still going through the story laid out. the only difference is that pompous critics forget about plays that get interactive with the audiences books that allow to make your decisions and the path it leads you down, and the paintings that when put together form entire stories
This guy is so intelligent but he is so goofy sometimes.
This is a difficult topic for me, I'm a huge gamer, and I've had my doubts of weather video games should be considered a form of speech on the same level as books, moves, music etc. While it indeed should be considered speech, my issue is I also have a belief that all information should be free to all people, and no idea should have a price tag... rather than let art and information be free and let humanity build and create from the billions of ideas out there, we deny our society from evolving and grasp onto money and intellectual property rights, and it stops in its tracks, when it could have done so much more for the world than just fill one man's wallet. I'm pretty anti intellectual property as you can tell, it restricts the building of ideas by claiming a thought belongs to somebody. However video games are where I see the exception, and a price is well deserved effort for something you get to interact with. Though if we just got rid of capitalism then people who wanted to explore this art for could do so, but alas, were a long way from that.
@adam sessler and @G4tv.com can we stop calling them Videogame, for now on they should be called Virtual interactive plays or movies [vips/vims] think about it you have a stage/setting, actors, ect..... therefore, i inact a change to the title we lable our plays as.
What a coincidence that this is the soapbox's topic this week. Just yesterday, I was playing the moh campaign for the first time and I started to think about what my and our society's fascination with military combat in video games. It really is the fact that the average person is never going to experience something like a fire fight anytime during their lives.
I said it before and I'll say it again, if we can't make a game where you kill Bin Laden, the terrorists have won!!!
Has anyone else's minds just exploded
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