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The "Other" Us: Does Gender Matter? PAX East 2011 Panel

Posted: March 13, 2011
The "Other" Us: Does Gender Matter? PAX East 2011 Panel
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Has our industry become more progressive? Is geek and gamer culture regressing? At PAX East 2011, Abbie Heppe held a debate and discussion about the ways gender is treated in gaming culture at large.

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  • DannyPeru

    Thank you to all of those on the panel! I'm re-watching this months later and my mind is still being blown away by how awesome and important this discussion is. The portrayal of women and men and minorities (or lack of) in videogames sickens me sometimes. I can't stand it and I'm so glad people are discussing these topics. Hopefully Abbie's review just started something that could change gaming and gamers in the future. Thanks Abbie, you're a true inspiration.

    Posted: June 8, 2011 12:19 AM
  • ninjamatt52

    Hi Abbie, we miss you. P.S.: Yes I know she probably won't read this.

    Posted: March 17, 2011 12:02 AM
    ninjamatt52
  • dustbucket

    go team respect!

    Posted: March 16, 2011 1:18 AM
    dustbucket
  • outlawstar4341

    one of my favorite games is summoner 2 and has a strong female lead and i never thought about the game being bad because the character was a female. that being said it didnt make the game better either. the game i played was awesome due to the story and play mechanics.

    Posted: March 15, 2011 10:20 PM
  • Bookmarkreader

    hair twirler at 10:40-11:10 FTW, FTW.

    Posted: March 14, 2011 9:48 PM
    Bookmarkreader
  • Knives39

    i wonder if that harsh judgment that abbie got from her other m review may have been one of the factors causing her to leave. i mean its one thing to send xplay stuff about the review but to actually attack someone through facebook simply for a review, i think that would stop me from writing reviews again.

    Posted: March 14, 2011 9:35 PM
  • Symicide

    hate when people don't flush the toilet

    Posted: March 14, 2011 6:41 PM
    Symicide
  • Stiny

    I used to really enjoy listening to Abbie Heppe, but after her scathing review and her statement saying "She wouldn't want to be friends with anybody who likes this game", makes me wonder if I shuld bother listening anymore. Would she honestly refuse to talk to me if I liked Other M ( I believe I thought it was a very good game :) )!?

    Posted: March 14, 2011 2:30 PM
    Stiny
  • bigheadzach

    Can anyone who was at the panel explain what the security incident was about halfway through?

    Posted: March 14, 2011 1:36 PM
    bigheadzach
  • jadedimas

    Oh forgot about reviews and ratings. So lets just remove the statistical numbers and focus on the review itself. If thats not enough we can put simple words up for those who dont want to read but want a quick and simple response like: pass, rent, buy or generic, average, original. PS Irony, oxymorons, and paradox are under used yet overrated.

    Posted: March 14, 2011 10:37 AM
    jadedimas
  • jadedimas

    Oh crap forgot to talk about reviews and the scoring system. I am one of the dumb crowd that follows scored reviews to help me buy uncertain games. I say lets remove the statistical numbers of reviews and switch to a sensible: pass, rent, or buy system allong with a: generic, average, or original system. Plus the words of the review should be good enough but I'm not going to lie, I have a small vocabulary and am not that tech smart so reviews can get scary. Simple yet descriptive would be perfect. PS irony, oxymorons, and paradox are so under used yet overrated.

    Posted: March 14, 2011 10:15 AM
    jadedimas
  • jadedimas

    Ok so the opening for the pannel wasn't what I thought what it was going to be. To all those pricks you attacked Abbie just because she had an opinion, you all have bad hair. Abbie, I miss you in feedback. Anyways, Metroid the other M is a japanesse culture game so looking towards their culture especially their anime culture it seems to be that they portrayed Samus the way they would any female in any media. So transition into strong female independent America, they slaughtered an ideal of a strong "feminist" which we jumped to conclusion and idealized for being the silent badass type. Most people were shocked at the end of the original Metroid, that Samus was a female to begin with also sexism and purversion will always be around. So lets remove sex/gender and look at tough vs sensitive. The story in Metriod the other M vs the role Samus has been portrayed in original games is that of the tough badass turned into the sensitive scared unsure hero. The problem in the game should have been considered a reboot rather than a sequel so to adjust the difference in character and story. Anyways, I dont care if your a female, nonwhite, or a different age range than I, I will not hate unless you are a damn camper or hacker. PS I know it isnt right but I dont mind what God of War did with the treatment of females for only one legit reson: Greek Mythology! That is how it was in ancient greek times and yes that is where it should be kept but if you want to keep the story legit to its source then you need to keep its unjust treament of females. Read Theogony or the Odyssey or or The Three Theban Plays, or even Metamorphoses or any Greek Classic story/book and you'll see how well they kept to the social norms of anceint greek times. However the anceint greeks were wrong and Im glad to see some rights have been restored to all minorities. (More could be done).

    Posted: March 14, 2011 10:03 AM
    jadedimas
  • jc18378

    The sound really turns you off!!

    Posted: March 14, 2011 7:49 AM
    jc18378
  • CustosIntusSilentium

    Well, now I know why I haven't felt the need to watch Feedback for a good while. Adam's great, don't get me wrong, but Abbie just added something nobody else could.

    Posted: March 13, 2011 9:40 PM
    CustosIntusSilentium
  • Akabane101

    Abbie Heppe isn't working for G4 anymore? What!??!? But she was the coolest person ever :( I always watched feedback because she was there:( I like how she got into respawn entertainment but i want her in feed back... She's awesome and like the best person out there for women and gaming. I hope i still get to see her on g4 more and more, You rule Abbie! you are number one!

    Posted: March 13, 2011 8:11 PM
    Akabane101
  • Ailya

    This needs to be watched by everyone.

    Posted: March 13, 2011 7:19 PM
    Ailya
  • ABaconBusAflame

    Awesome panel. Great to see such an important topic being discussed and also great to see Abbie again!

    Posted: March 13, 2011 5:06 PM
    ABaconBusAflame
  • kentla57

    I am sorry but numbers do mean something and I think there are just not enough. Some of them mean a deal breaker for concerning a game and if I new about them ahead of time it would influence my buying the game or not.

    1. Graphics reflect the mood and nature of the game, (improved from previous title or better than similar game).
    2. Controls work as they should for this type of game and controller system involved. Is a mouse type required for FPS etc.
    3. Has a great story line that evokes emotions in the player and causes player to want to finish the game based on the story.
    4 Game has a great scoring system.
    5. Does not crash and burn.
    6. Can be adjusted for the hardness of play.
    7. Causes the player to think and solve problems.
    8. Music and sound effects are included where they need to be not too loud or soft.
    9. Load times reflect for the type of game played. If load screens to appear then helpful information and music are in the cut scene to keep the player engaged.
    10. Bugs and faults can be reported in an easy fashion
    11. Does the game live up to what is previously advertised?
    12. The rating of the game matches what you expected. M nudity, blood guts etc.
    13. Is the game controversial? They seem to get us excited just because we are not supposed to have it then we are either happy with it or let down. This can be tied to number 11.
    14. Does the amount of game play time match up to previous titles or similar games.
    15. The game was worth the money spent at the time of purchase.
    16. Does the game have achievements or trophies, etc.
    17. It comes with a booklet that gets you started fairly quickly.
    18. The game gives you some type of learning curve before the hard part begins
    19. The game is released they they say it is going to be.
    20. It is offered up as a beta before it releases to everyone.
    21. Is a collectors edition offered? Were the items included worth the extra cost?
    22. Are in game Exclusive items later offered to everyone. Then they are not exclusive and youv'e been lied too.
    23. Is there online support offered for the game. Not just blogs or boards but a real email address you can write to about problems.
    24. Does the game allow you to save at any point in the game?
    25. Were you the player happy with the game?
    26. Do you get to play more than one character type? Example: soldier, sniper, mage, rogue etc.
    27. Can you play as male or female? In today's world it should be standard to play as either.
    28. Does the game allow you to turn down gore and swear words if you so choose.
    29. Character design is good or bad. e.g. Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2, etc.

    I am sure there are other items I have forgotten but All of these should be included in reviews. We shell out $60 normally for a new game or more and we as consumers deserve respect from developers/producers and reviewers/critics. We all love games and that is why we are here in the first place seeking quality information about the game we are interested in.

    30. Last but not leased did you enjoy the game as a whole?

    If you break down this scoring system it seems to be about 3.3 points for each item to get us close to a 100 point system.
    I think the higher the scoring system the better, but who am I just a consumer who loves games and the folks at G4 who are trying their best to inform us about what we want most, a game that ROCK's!!

    Posted: March 13, 2011 3:08 PM
    kentla57
  • MaelStrom_

    a whole panel and a crowd to discuss Abby's review of metroid other m. i wasnt expecting that. lots of luck at respawn Abby!

    Posted: March 13, 2011 2:53 PM
    MaelStrom_
  • Moeez

    In God of War 3, you use a chained, naked woman (Poseidon's princess) to hold up a crank and is then crushed to death shortly afterwards.

    Yeah, how come that didn't cause much controversy around the game's release? I don't think you'll find much defending on that matter.

    Posted: March 13, 2011 2:45 PM
    Moeez
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