Sessler's Soapbox: Gaming is Not a Crime!

Posted: September 21, 2010
Sessler's Soapbox: Gaming is Not a Crime!
Adam discusses the current Supreme Court case, deciding if it's constitutional to outlaw the sale of mature games to minors.

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  • Dudimus24

    Sessler For President!!!

    Posted: September 25, 2010 11:19 PM
  • ShdwFox

    Arg, a lot of people keep saying that the Schwarzenegger side of the court is trying to prove that video games are not protected speech in order to pass this law. Or that this not a first amendment issue. That is not the case. California and the EMA already accept that video games are protected speech. But California doesn't want "violent" video games to have that same protection when it comes to minors:

    Although the parties agree that videogames are constitutionally protected expression, the State of California nevertheless asks this Court to find that violent videogames are simply not worthy of constitutional protection when sold to minors without parental participation. The State asks the Court to make this judgment while providing only a single example of a game it deems to be violent and offering essentially no context regarding the expressive nature of games that could fall under the Act."

    This was a word for word quote from a previous G4TV article not too long ago on this same subject.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 9:55 PM
  • GhastlyNinja

    What is our world coming to...Should the Grown ups and people who are trying to pass this law grow up? and/or lighten up a bit? they need to give 3 good reasons [with proof] that video games are evil and brainwashing society. and don't even dare try and use the grand theft auto case, the guy was already not mentally there.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 5:00 PM
  • katsesama

    assuming no one else picked up on this,observe that the name of the court case regarding this law
    is swartsenneger v video software retailers association.now mind you i'm not gonna rehash the whole
    first amendment thing,but doesn't it strike you as odd that the very person bringing this suit is himself
    a profiteer of video game violence(i.e.all the terminator video games that came out while he was still
    actor/film star swartsenegger)the hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife.i suppose he's
    feeling a pang of guilt contributing to the delinquintcy of today's youth from all the violent product he
    himself contributed over the years.being morally upstanding now that he's a politician,now there's
    an oxymoron for you.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 4:51 PM
  • Dehnyen

    Well stated Adam. If even half of the asswits out there who don't understand video games would sit down and have a discussion with you, they'd probly change their minds and this wouldn't be an issue. It's sad, the penalties for selling certain games to a minor, seem to be getting more severe than selling alcohol to them.

    It's like he said, it's easy for these people to hate video games because they dont understand them. I don't understand organized religion. Am I trying to pass a law to make it illegal? Certainly not.

    This is getting out of hand.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 2:30 PM
  • The_101st

    I am a gamer. Hardcore through and through. But can someone please explain to me how this specific law infringes on my First Amendment Rights? Yes it sucks, but they do the same thing to minors with movies, music, TV, etc. Now, if they made it illegal to MAKE the game, I would be on board with the use of the word unconstitutional, but the government can place restricted access on these things. If your parents are really okay with it, they will buy it for you like a ticket to a rated-R movie. If there is something that I don't know please tell me. Thank you.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 1:35 PM
  • HumanGiant13

    Where I live they already have this law where minors can't buy M rated games with out a parent so I have to have my mom be with me when I go to buy a game I had to have her come with me when I bought Dead Space, Metal Gear Solid 4, Bioshock,etc. but I don't under stand why the court has to add a law I think it should be the parents problem to alow kids what to play.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 12:15 PM
  • Chupacabras_X

    The thing is, people, that I have no problem with the restriction of games we are discussing to minors. Kids should not be playing games like GTA and such. If a parent wants to buy the game and give it to a kid, fine. But I commend the restriction of selling mature rated games to minors. It is already constitutional to not sell a 12 year old a kid to a porno or even R-rated movies, so why not video games?

    Posted: September 25, 2010 10:37 AM
  • DecKrash

    Well said, Adam! BTW, I dunno if anyone has mentioned this, but if there is anyone who doesn't know, you can seek further action on this subject on the Video Game Voters Network. (www.videogamevotersnetwork.co m) It helps fellow gamers keep up with what's going on in the politics involving video games state by state, and in the national arena. Fight for your right to play!

    Posted: September 25, 2010 9:20 AM
  • Kill Audio

    I understand the importance of not selling M-rated video games to minors but I definitely feel that the law they are tying to push through is making a gateway into more serious matters.

    It's like Adam stated, the prosecutors have to prove that video games are NOT under the protection of the first amendment. If they don't even pass the law for selling to minors but succeed in the argument against the rights of video games, the whole gaming industry would be destroyed. All games would be censored to the point that M-rated games would be banned from this entire country.

    This would not only ruin sales but tarnish rights that we are SUPPOSEDLY given by our country.

    To me, I feel that kids should not be sold M-rated games; however, it is up to the parents to purchase that game for them or not. And like many of you have said, why does it matter? I've been playing violent video games my whole life, I don't have any criminal records or have ever been arrested. I don't have this idea that what I can do in a game I can do in real life. I know the difference between what is right and what is wrong. Parents should know and acknowledge that, so should the government.

    On a side note, I find it contradictive to make a topic or a Soapbox on G4tv.com and to hear words swear words bleeped out like on Feedback or Sessler's Soapbox. Adam fights for freedom of speech yet he can't swear or speak what he wants on the internet where he has free reign to say what he plaeases. As well as not even being able to swear on posts such as this one.

    I guess my last note for the this whole topic is that we have the freedom of speech and no one should be telling us what is not protected under our country. If these politicians don't like the protection that video games have in our country, then let them move to Germany where they apparently ban almost every violent game.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 7:43 AM
  • Roliel

    The issues

    1: Should media such as books and video games be be treated like alcohol or drugs, and require a certain legal status to purchase.

    1A: Who decides what games are M rated? With cigs and alcohol, the content is pretty easy to identify. Thats a cig. Thats a drink. Porn is a bit more grey, but still is a "I know it when I see it" kind of thing. But with games and books? It is much harder, there is much more wiggle room, and therefore people (i.e. parents) have to be able to make their own decisions .

    1B: Even if we could positively identify "M" games without any controversy, do we want to make video games a "card-able" commodity? And if so, then why is it OK to be carded for Video Games and not with Books?

    2: Free Speech vs. Parental Rights
    2A: Does the government have the right to act as a 3rd party parent? The answer for currently "card-able" items such as cigs and alcohol and porn is yes. Does the government's parental rights extend further than that?

    2B: In Hawaii, it is legal for (say) a 13 year old to smoke tobacco. Sale is regulated by the feds, but consumption is regulated by the state. So it is legal for a parent to by a pack of cigarettes and give them to their 13 year old (in fact, I know people that do), and it is legal for a 13 year old to smoke (again, I know many in Hawaii that do). Does California want to make consumption as well as sale of M rated games illegal? Can the government act not only as a parent, but as a parent with veto power over kids *actual parents*?

    I can see a lot of valid opinions either way. Its not black and white, its not just Free Speech vs. Tyranny.

    Posted: September 25, 2010 7:39 AM
  • DarKxNiNJAxx

    wait a second! I am 14 and all the games i own are rated M. If this law passes, does this mean i won't be allowed to have any M games even if my parents buy them for me?

    Posted: September 24, 2010 9:16 PM
  • Viper12

    I Really hope this bill doesn't pass because if it does it will act as a stepping stone for anyone who has misgivings about videogames and will act as a battering ram to open the door to more and more restrictive entertainment restrictions. now its just not being able to sell M rated games to minors, tomorrow its banning any game that invovles shooting. It needs to be stopped.

    Posted: September 24, 2010 9:03 PM
  • RungWee

    Oh wow, OK that actualyl makes a LOT of sense dude.


    Posted: September 24, 2010 6:44 PM
  • ch13696

    The one thing I'm not understanding about Wal-Mart is that, why would they stop selling M rated video games if they would still sell R rated movies, cigarettes, and alcohol? I mean, I can see it happening because they're not making much money off of games, but I would not like myself. The reason being since Gamestop doesn't carry new games unless you pre-order, I'd like to go to Wal-Mart or Best Buy to pick them up.

    Posted: September 24, 2010 5:41 PM
  • NewOldMan

    ok this supreme court case has me fired up. The sheer complications with this law passing are horrible, if they take away M rated games from most people then that will stop companies from making M rated games since its a bit harder to sell, sure the big hits will still sell alot but the more obscure M rated games that are like a hidden treasure to some gamers will be practically forced off the market.

    Posted: September 24, 2010 4:22 PM
  • ossiss

    http://www.videogamevoters.org /

    Posted: September 24, 2010 4:05 PM
  • ossiss

    http://www.videogamevoters.org /

    Posted: September 24, 2010 4:02 PM

    Lack of understanding turns into fear. Older generation doesn't understand videogames and therefore want to put all these restrictions on them? Oh but it's ok for the kids to go to school and be around and influenced by homosexuals and their lifestyle.. that's more of an effect on a child than any video game will ever be.... ya...

    Posted: September 24, 2010 12:42 PM
  • ShdwFox

    As the article said from the very start - a lot of you need to read up on this case before making comments. Much of what has been said is the same stereotypical, misunderstood nonsense repeated in previous articles.

    Posted: September 24, 2010 12:31 PM