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Talkabout: Metroid: Other M

Posted: August 27, 2010
Talkabout: Metroid: Other M
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Abbie and Matt sit down to discuss why they were so disappointed with Metroid: Other M.

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  • Luigitornado

    Read the Metroid manga.

    The manga has always existed, and has always been a testament of Samus' personality. A lot of scenes are ripped straight out of the comics. Her young encounter with Ridley being one of them. Even her plutonic father/daughter relationship with Adam. Just because Samus has been alone all these years on the majority of her missions, doesn't mean she is some emotionless robot with breasts.

    Quite the contrary, she seems more realistic than any other video game heroine or hero that I can remember. Interesting and a fresh of breath air from what the rest of the industry is doing. There is nothing wrong with expressing emotion. It seems as if people view others who express emotion as being inferior for doing so. This is ironic considering the view point of the article. We are a very independent and masculine fueled society, which is the opposite of Japanese society. I would believe that anything that celebrates femininity would be, and should be considered as a step forward in video games. And when I say celebrate femininity I'm not talking about strong female characters who are the embodiment of men, I'm talking about emotion that doesn't revolve around yelling and punching holes through walls when angry.

    It baffles me that you are actually complaining that Samus is more feminine than you would have liked. Why don't reviewers take the same stance and say that a masculine character is too masculine than they would have liked? It's because it is accepted. Being strong, angry and muscle-bound is considering a plus in our society.

    I have failed to address a major point that has been brought up in the review. The point that calls Samus submissive to Adam. Like I said earlier, their relationship has been explored in a similar fashion before. He is her commander, and she follows his orders. They mutually trust each other, and if you played Fusion you should understand this. I don't believe that making Adam a woman should have changed your stance on Samus' character, and if it did, we would still have a similar problem. Instead of having a masculine man giving Samus orders, we would have a masculine female giving Samus' orders, which is a celebration of masculinity and everything what a man is "supposed to be like." Let's just face it, if sheAdam was not masculine you would be calling foul once again for a character expressing too much femininity.

    So what is your stance? Do you really believe that Samus was a step back for a once believe masculine female character, or is it that you dislike that she is not the sexual caricature of a male in female form? Either way and you would still be out of touch of what femininity really is.

    If you dislike how Samus was portrayed, you were never a Metroid fan to begin with, or at least a very shallow one.

    Will you respond? Probably not, but I still hope that you will.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 8:00 AM
    Luigitornado
  • mrdo

    The critisims on the game are valid opinions...

    but to bring this down to sexism and things that just dont apply is a little much.

    To say "i will never talk to or be friends with anyone who likes this character" Is very.... I dont know... I mean come on.. Its a freaking game... Its not real..

    its not changing the view of how women are treated all over the world... If you feel that strongly about the issue, there are plenty of real sexist situations in life that energy can be spent on trying to change.. Not the writing of a video game story... its not that serious... get over yourself.

    And the whole "in real world you don't concentrate to gain health..." Last i checked, metroid is not a real world scenario to begin with.. and on top of it.. ITS A GAME... Its meant for fun and entertainment..

    Posted: August 28, 2010 7:55 AM
    mrdo
  • Zzanzabar

    Putting a story line on a platformer (which at its heart Metroid still is) is like placing a saddle on a donkey: It looks nice but what is the point?

    Metriod was (is?) a great game because it was tough and fun to play. There was a reason that she was silent, talking just got in the way of the action. The ONLY thing that made this series stand out from Bionic Commando, Contra, and a host of other similar great platforming side scrollers was that the protagonist was a woman, a great twist (at the time).

    I really don't care what the reason was she couldn't use her powers early on (they always seem to use that in a Metroid series); system virus, power drain, man's orders, whatever, it was put in there simply to make the game harder in the beginning, right?

    The fact that they have decided to to a typical Japanese female hatchet job on their character (c'mon these people invented 'boob physics' for christ sakes) should not have been a surprise. What I do not like is bad game mechanics used as a method to raise a games 'difficulty', thus making it last longer, or poor game design that makes it uneven.

    What it really comes down to is what part of the review would a person base their decision about the game on: 1) the crappy storyline (according to Abby), or, 2) the crappy game play.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 7:49 AM
    Zzanzabar
  • Nosce

    Sounds like a fair review to me. Much better labeling of sexism than the nonsensical "misogyny" comment about the dancing night elf in SC2.

    This game, from the reviews and from Abbie Heppe's comments, seems like a sexist pillaging of a once empowering female heroin. Anyone who defends it is either an idiot or just really "young and naive."

    GROW UP! People like STRONG female characters, not simpering sex icons.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 7:33 AM
    Nosce
  • MartiansfromUranus

    They say this is bad because they have the timeline all mixed up. This is not the second to last game in the series timeline wise. All 3 metroid primes and metroid fusion take place after this.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 7:28 AM
    MartiansfromUranus
  • mrmr124

    Talk about butt hurt!

    The Reviews don't lie!

    http://www.gamestats.com/obj ects/143/14354733/articles.htm l#reviews

    Posted: August 28, 2010 7:02 AM
    mrmr124
  • stwes

    omg its sexist!!! IDC i just wnta play the game theres beautiful cg. this the only major site tht didnt give the game over an 8.5 IGN=8.5, gamespot=8.5, gametrailers=8.6. wired=9

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:54 AM
    stwes
  • Jahbu

    G4 is really loosing it... Shank got a 5 out of 5, I downloaded that game and its is not a 5 out of 5. Then other M gets a 2. These people must be druged on something. Other sites have better reviewers. You know what maybe...Nintendo didnt bribe them this time or something. G4 needs to get with it!

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:52 AM
  • Geriden

    Should have called the sexual harassment panda abbie

    why do people thumb down my overtly sexist comment it was the best comment ever on this dammed website and you know it !!!111one!!one!!one111!

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:51 AM
    Geriden
  • jepago

    Okay, forget about the game for a second. I love that the G4 staff cares so much about proper english and grammar. That's one of the main reasons why I enjoy listening to what you have to say about games - because you do so in an intelligent manner. And I'll also point out that Abbie and Matt are the best combo out of all the G4 staff. You guys rock!

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:28 AM
    jepago
  • Ben128

    First of all, what the friggin' hell is sexist about Samus all of a sudden?! Seriously, that's gonna take some explaining for me. Why was there so much moaning about how "weak and moany" Samus is? You realise she hasn't changed a bit.

    In her suit, she's the same. Moves are edgy, dramatic and powerful. Which show that "badass" side that annoying lady reviewer so desperately wants back but doesn't realise it hasn't gone. Sakamoto and Team Ninja are only trying to show Samus for who she really is by allowing the player to understand her thoughts and feelings.

    Anyway, seems to me the reviewer turned into the Samus she was describing. Moany and complaining, or whatever. You focused on the negatives waaaay too much, and only mentioned that the combat was "okay". Maybe you should try to be a little less close-minded and accept the fact that these changes really open up Samus as an actual character, and not some mute in a suit. But don't get me wrong, i'm a MASSIVE metroid fan. I'm even developing my own website with a friend soon, entirely based on Metroid and our passion for the series. I'm just much more willing to accept the fact that things change.

    Again, i really can't understand why it's apparently sexist to give Samus a slight weakness. And it's only just that she's devastated by her terrible past. I guess i'm just ranting now, but it's just because the reviewer was being suh a dick about all these changes that have not bothered me in the slightest.

    Good day.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:20 AM
  • blueboykc

    im just curious how many of you haters have actually played the game and how many of you are just bitching and whining because of who reviewed the game..

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:19 AM
    blueboykc
  • strangethingsmoss

    I completely understand Abbie's view. She was clear and direct with the issues in this game. Does that stop anyone from playing the game? No.

    I am glad someone is challenging games. I think we can all agree on the potential that games have to offer, but if we all become complacent, games will become uninspiring. If Nintendo makes a sequel, then they will improve upon their mistakes. I'm glad to see Nintendo destroy what people assumed of their characters. This could lead to new ideas. Samus now has a new identity and it is destroying what was once thought of a character.

    Kudos to Abbie, and Nintendo. I can't wait to see round two!

    Posted: August 28, 2010 5:18 AM
    strangethingsmoss
  • cr00mz

    "remember kids, when going to iraq...dont forget to turn off friendly fire so you dont actually hurt your squadmates"

    or why not

    "dont worry if you get shot, you're autoregen will take care of it"

    "oh noes i got hit by a car, i'll just camp this spot for a few seconds and i'll be allright"

    stupid reviewer, stupid arguments

    Posted: August 28, 2010 3:14 AM
    cr00mz
  • cr00mz

    i just had to make an account, i'm not usually one to complain at reviews, but this one makes me almost enter a berserk mode. all because of this morons (Abbie) stupid comment about concentration mode.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 2:59 AM
    cr00mz
  • creeperkamikaze

    Answer: A Pillow.

    Question: What is the only thing that could have made this "discussion" more comfortable?

    seriously though, such a scathing review should have had a talkabout video with someone with some sort of rebuttal or difference of opinion.

    I dunno... Maybe I just miss having Ebert argue about movies with whoever was willing.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 2:39 AM
    creeperkamikaze
  • joeshabadoo

    Also somewhere in teh middle of all these games, Sakamoto showed us that this character grew up out of terrible tragedy, fear, and regret. I haven't yet played it, but I imagine this game shows us a period in her life in which she faces those emotions, and it gets ugly to an extent. Such is life

    Posted: August 28, 2010 2:35 AM
  • joeshabadoo

    7Hok, you MADE her this particular badass chick. You did. All we really gathered from games that took place beofre this one in the timeline is that she took orders loyally and showed little fear. Then something happened to her. Something profound.

    "OMG what, something happened? She was affected? Huh?"

    Posted: August 28, 2010 2:32 AM
  • 7Hokage

    People are killing me how they are judging Abbie for her review on something that she is a very big fan of. Samus is a video game icon that was portrayed always has a bad ass chick, that blows up planets all by herself. Now She a little girl with family issues and takes orders. I mean come on the only thing they forgot to tell us about Samus is if she with Team Edward or Jacob! Just because she was in a suit and did not talk does not mean we did not know what type of character Samus should have been portrayed has because of her actions in previous games. Thats like if GOW4 came out in Kratos is a nice guy who try's to save people on his quest to kill more gods. Oh yeah and now you take orders from Athena.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 2:19 AM
    7Hokage
  • 7Hokage

    People are killing me how they are judging Abbie for her review on something that she is a very big fan of. Samus is a video game icon that was portrayed always has a bad ass chick, that blows up planets all by herself. Now She a little girl with family issues and takes orders. I mean come on the only thing they forgot to tell us about Samus is if she with Team Edward or Jacob! Just because she was in a suit and did not talk does not mean we did not know what type of character Samus should have been portrayed has because of her actions in previous games. Thats like if GOW4 came out in Kratos is a nice guy who try's to save people on his quest to kill more gods. Oh yeah and now you take orders from Athena.

    Posted: August 28, 2010 2:18 AM
    7Hokage
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