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Talkabout: Metroid: Other M

Posted: August 27, 2010
Talkabout: Metroid: Other M
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Abbie and Matt sit down to discuss why they were so disappointed with Metroid: Other M.

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  • humanscum

    welll ill paly it n see for my seild n dont be so dam sensative com on for rill

    Posted: August 30, 2010 2:09 AM
    humanscum
  • Mystyr_E

    I think we can all agree that Tuesday is going to be a very interesting day

    Posted: August 30, 2010 1:13 AM
    Mystyr_E
  • Bateleur

    I'm a long time fan of Metroid. Super Metroid was my first video game and I beat it for the first time when I was maybe six or seven years old. Playing Super Metroid for me is a visit to my childhood when I was at my happiest, and a run through of the game is like what home cooked meals by grandparents are to people who work away from home for months at a time. Samus as a character is someone whom I've held as a sort of role model for personal strength and integrity for almost thirteen years now. Metroid Other M seems to be, as I hope isn't true, an impliment through which that role model will be hacked down because Yoshio Sakomoto's strange choices. Why has Sakomoto after all this time producing Metroid games decided to turn Samus into an estranged and dependent child when all previous games have sculpted her character as being of an immense inner strength? What scares me most here is that he may have always envisioned Samus being this way.

    If you read through a scanlated copy of the Metroid manga (which Sakomoto directed; Google is your friend to find the manga, folks.) you'll notice that Samus's character is somewhat the same as what is portrayed here. The manga includes Samus's origins, her interaction with Adam when she was a member of the GF police, and really takes big heaping scoops that dig into Samus's psyche. The only difference is that the events of the manga take place before the events of the first Metroid. I first read that manga a couple of years ago and I excused Samus's fragile character since she was still very young and inexperienced. If they are going to bring back that same wine glass of a woman and make her cower in front of Ridley FOR THE THIRD TIME so far, then Yoshio Sakomoto obviously needs to reconsider a few things. She is not a wine glass. She is THE most powerful female entity in the world of video games and should be proudly revered as such.

    Metroid is the only reason I continue to pay any attention whatsoever to the video game world. Honestly, there are very few modern video games that I like. One of the things I prize about the Metroid series is its ability to stay true to its roots in the past of video games and still hold so much value. Metroid as a series is a very important piece of my life and my past, and I fear that Metroid is taking a turn for the worse and is being modernized in a far too radical way that will consume itself for the worse.

    *sigh* I will still play this game and dissect it until I know the location of every pixel and polygon, as I have done for every other game in the series (including that god-forsaken Metroid Prime Hunters which should be erased from the storyline.) Perhaps I'm too pessimistic about this game. I haven't even played it yet. (I'm getting it launch date though! I'll be locked away in a room for probably about 15 hours trying to 100% it.) I'll probably end up compromising and loving it for various reasons, but nothing will top Super Metroid ever. Let's hope they get it right and bring it back to the classic fundamental elements which make this series iconic in their next installment.

    Posted: August 30, 2010 1:10 AM
    Bateleur
  • bolo73

    This may have been posted already but with 10 pages....
    With Team Ninja in charge I am suprised she was not running around in a thong bathing suit looking for flowers to play space volleyball.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 10:33 PM
    bolo73
  • mwlsu01

    This isnt even a game review. Its a story review. And then 13 minutes of whining about new controls.

    Took them 5 minutes into this video to actually talk about gameplay. Like I care about the story. If the story ruined the game for you then go drop the grade on MGS4. At least Other M isnt going to spend 3/4 of my "gameplay" time telling me the same contrived story over and over again.

    Once they finally did get to controls they didnt like them because theyre different. Too bad. Maybe we should have ANOTHER Metroid side scroller like its 1994 or another first person shooter. Because we all want to play Metroid: Reach. Give me a break. Sounds like you guys are getting too old for games. Thats who complains about controls being too hard. Old people.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 7:16 PM
    mwlsu01
  • Ge1st007

    Anyone else get the feeling thatG4 is a little full of themselves. It's a metroid game. They are trying new things and they took risk. Atleast they were finllay willing to take the risk of given Metroid a more wordy narative but I'm sure it's fine. just nothing grandiose like G4 is always expecting. As most of the gaming community too. Some of you think that if a game gets any lower then a high almost perfect score, you think it's sucks. It's a scale, stop being so black and white about things. Sorry, got in a rant their. Though, Ever since G4 had a hand in Keith Apricary's expulsion from E3, I've felt their ego's maybe a little higher nowadays then it proclaims itself. BTW, your not comedians. Whoever wrote the skits X-play back in the day, ought to realize just because you think your funny, doesn't mean that you are. As Adam does from time to time but I still respect him as a respectable critic. Though, Kevin is a genuine good host aswell. Let him write the humor stuff. Not the stage hand producer.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 7:15 PM
    Ge1st007
  • bossbetty

    Great job Abbie! Try to not get so upset. You are very passionate gamer. I remember loving to play Chung Li because my brother's always had a male character play. I didn't want a princess peach. I wanted a strong character, like myself, that could do anything that the boys can do. I understand your position. I find that sometimes with games like this, it is best for developers to not drown in the story. I was bored with Mario Galaxy's story book cottage, and never went in there again. Next time I hope they'll make an option for the player to witness more of the story, if requested.

    I usually post a quick comment, but seeing you this passionate really motivated me to see your position. Let's just play other Metriod games of the past, act like this didn't happen, and demand the next installment to properly display Samus for her strengths. Strong women express themselves, and I support your insight!

    Posted: August 29, 2010 7:02 PM
    bossbetty
  • 3rdDimension

    This is just another case of the damned if you do, damned if you don't. When it comes to franchises, it is hard to make any change. This is the fault nintendo gets slammed with day in and day out. "They keep making the same stuff". Other complaints aside, on the complaint about the game not feeling like Metroid, what do you want? Another Metroid game? If anything, this game marks a milestone for Nintendo as it is showing they are starting to break and change with times. People complain they never do and I am so glad this game is showing they are.

    As for the story, this is just pure Japanese story telling in a video game at it best. It's something to be expected (just look at all recent Japanese current gen-games). So the complaint on that subject is irrelevant. Just say you are not a fan of how they do stories and characters in a game. If Retro had done this game, I can guarantee you would have gotten the bad-ass story you were expecting. There is just a different perspective at play here. And it is one from the Japanese side.

    You and the other staff complaints are valid, but they way you all come off in the video just reeks of bitching just to add to the already disgust you have with the game. When you complain about her concentrating, thats irrelevant when you compare the fact that enemies in the previous games drop missiles and power ups when they die! Explain the logic in the fact that a little indigenous alien crustacean dropping missiles or energy spheres? Or how Samus can morph into a ball half her size.
    These are things that ask you to suspend disbelief. This is no different the concentration. Yet you needed to bitch and moan about like it's a negative thing.

    The subject of her getting authorization. You can't accept that plot device yet you can except Samus power suit getting blown of all its powers? I thought her suit was this superior technology that can withstand melting temperatures yet it can be easily stripped of it's powers? And how is it that these supposed foreign worlds she goes to conveniently has the accessories for her suit? Or how about the door mechanics in the metroid universe? So people have to shoot them in order for it to work? Again you moan and complain about the authorization aspect yet forget about all the other silly little things that make up the Metroid world. These are faults that shouldn't have been mentioned in the rant because they are all irrelevant when compared to the other Metroid games. As I said before, pointing out these things was just a matter of you being angry with the game and are actually no real faults.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 7:02 PM
    3rdDimension
  • 3rdDimension

    This is just another case of the damned if you do, damned if you don't. When it comes to franchises, it is hard to make any change. This is the fault nintendo gets slammed with day in and day out. "They keep making the same stuff". Other complaints aside, on the complaint about the game not feeling like Metroid, what do you want? Another Metroid game? If anything, this game marks a milestone for Nintendo as it is showing they are starting to break and change with times. People complain they never do and I am so glad this game is showing they are.

    As for the story, this is just pure Japanese story telling in a video game at it best. It's something to be expected (just look at all recent Japanese current gen-games). So the complaint on that subject is irrelevant. Just say you are not a fan of how they do stories and characters in a game. If Retro had done this game, I can guarantee you would have gotten the bad-ass story you were expecting. There is just a different perspective at play here. And it is one from the Japanese side.

    You and the other staff complaints are valid, but they way you all come off in the video just reeks of bitching just to add to the already disgust you have with the game. When you complain about her concentrating, thats irrelevant when you compare the fact that enemies in the previous games drop missiles and power ups when they die! Explain the logic in the fact that a little indigenous alien crustacean dropping missiles or energy spheres? Or how Samus can morph into a ball half her size.
    These are things that ask you to suspend disbelief. This is no different the concentration. Yet you needed to bitch and moan about like it's a negative thing.

    The subject of her getting authorization. You can't accept that plot device yet you can except Samus power suit getting blown of all its powers? I thought her suit was this superior technology that can withstand melting temperatures yet it can be easily stripped of it's powers? And how is it that these supposed foreign worlds she goes to conveniently has the accessories for her suit? Or how about the door mechanics in the metroid universe? So people have to shoot them in order for it to work? Again you moan and complain about the authorization aspect yet forget about all the other silly little things that make up the Metroid world. These are faults that shouldn't have been mentioned in the rant because they are all irrelevant when compared to the other Metroid games. As I said before, pointing out these things was just a matter of you being angry with the game and are actually no real faults.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 7:00 PM
    3rdDimension
  • Tidusjunior

    guys lets be honest not all reviews are going to be good or bad Abbie gave it a fair review she not telling you not to play it or etc it up to us to decide she just saying what she thinks of it personally as a game reviewer.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 6:51 PM
    Tidusjunior
  • Toady909

    Giving her emotions does not make it sexist.
    Why you two are idiots:

    The writer of this Metroid is the same as every other Metroid

    I like the damn characterization

    Trying to implement new controls is a good thing

    Instead of making you lose all your stuff like in other games, they add a new style. Stop bitching about it

    (I had to stop the video here since you are so 'effing stupid)

    You guys are becoming fanboys of the 360 and FPS's. You suck now G4.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 6:45 PM
    Toady909
  • DrStrangeL0ve

    Dear nintendo,
    How dare you try and add character to one of YOUR properties. I know you were trying to make your characters MORE INTERESTING, but we liked it when they were life less creatures that didn't do anything but shoot first and ask questions later. in the Future dont have your properties EVOLVE we love OLD Fashion

    Posted: August 29, 2010 6:30 PM
    DrStrangeL0ve
  • Screath

    In my previous post, I meant Fusion. On another note, I'm pretty sure that Samus is only insecure when she's not wearing her armor. If you look at the past games, she only ever takes off her helmet when she knows that she has nothing else to worry about.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 6:18 PM
    Screath
  • Screath

    People don't seem to realize that the story of this game did not originate in this game. If you look at Zero Mission, you can plainly see that Adam was an important figure in Samus's life. She monologues about him constantly in that game. Since Zero Mission was one of the first times that Samus said anything, it can be assumed that her character was always emotionally torn. The fans just didn't care enough to look deeper.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 6:11 PM
    Screath
  • auntjemima

    as a nintendo diehard that has so much faith in their large franchises (maybe a little too much) it really is kind of upsetting to see such a reaction to this game! and I think that the majority of the Metroid series (Prime and everything) have been quite good, but I never played them as much as per se Zelda because I really suck at metroid in general haha
    and yet the fact that this is getting such a negative review still makes me sad.

    this has been getting such mixed reviews I think I might rent it once this is all over haha. Abbie you often like the same games and dislike the same games as me so I have faith in your opinion but with such a mix of reviews it feels like I need to give this game a try to see why other people have given it such a high review where as you guys have given it a really low one? it's interesting

    Posted: August 29, 2010 5:41 PM
    auntjemima
  • Uberdorkzor

    The issue facing this game seems to be the perceived about face in terms of Ms. Aran's persona. This leads me to a broader question: is it acceptable to change/reimagine the personality of a protagonist of an established video game series? I distinctly remember a recent Soapbox entitled "Change is Good", but perhaps this isn't universally true? In an age when is seems gamers are increasingly looking for an engaging story with a protagonist whose performance ventures beyond a simple one note persona, are we actually looking for a gaming experience that focuses on tradition and gameplay as opposed to creative risks within the story?

    Posted: August 29, 2010 1:58 PM
    Uberdorkzor
  • 3rdDimension

    I can understand the points about being sexiest in this game. But let's be real about what we can be real about! If you are going to call out sexist, did we all forget the reward user got for previous Metroid games? Yes a scantily clad view of Samus without her armor. That was our reward. So if you are gonna shout sexist lets be real about it and not just single out this game in your rant.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 1:46 PM
    3rdDimension
  • nemesis46567

    This site is stupid. I just typed up a response and can't post it due to 'profanity' that doesn't exist in my post.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 1:09 PM
    nemesis46567
  • nemesis46567

    This site is stupid. I just typed up a response and can't post it due to 'profanity' that doesn't exist in my post.

    Posted: August 29, 2010 1:08 PM
    nemesis46567
  • SS_44

    Dear Abbie & Matt (hopefully one/both of you could come across this),

    Samus is also my favorite video game character, with Metroid being one of my top three franchises. I really do respect both of your opinions, but I felt as if there were some aspects of the game that you were a little harsh on:

    The concentration move Granted, the name isn t the greatest, but I m pretty sure that Samus is recharging in some way, shape, or form. There is no doubt, in my opinion, that Sakamoto did not intend for people to think she was using her mind to create missiles, gain health, etc. (Maybe a translation issue, too?)

    Respect for Adam Samus is following his orders because she wants to protect the Feds, not because she is bowing down to Adam s command. Also, since there could possibly be some weird attraction thing going between them, maybe Samus is listening to Adam in order to regain his trust, as he must have felt betrayed when she left. All in all, she has the utmost respect for him.

    Ridley scene This ties into Samus characterization, something that obviously pressed your buttons. Because of the baby metroid s sacrifice, Samus must be fragile because she was like a mother to it. Any parent would feel absolutely terrible if their child were to give their own life in order to save them. Due to her lingering grief, she is reminded of the events in her past. She can t tone out her memories anymore.

    The script There s not much I can say, but that it can t appeal to everyone. Interior monologues always sound a little off, since there is no actual way to express what you are thinking to yourself.

    Voice actress In one of the interviews, Sakamoto stated that they did not want a professional voice actress. Rather, they wanted someone who does not interact well in society. Jessica Martin fit the role. If you just can t stand the purposely monotonous voice, maybe the Japanese with English subtitles sounds better. Also, I m pretty sure the cutscenes can be skipped after the first playthrough, if they bother you that much.

    And yes, I am a boy whose favorite character is a female. Sexism (specifically abuse) is something I do not take lightly. I truly believe this game does not contain the extent that you made it out to look. The developers made Samus more human, but she is still a badass bounty hunter.

    I m sorry if my opinions offend you in any way. I just hoped that I gave you a different perspective, and maybe you would understand some of the weird choices in Other M. In time, I hope both of you will give this game a second chance and see it in a new light. This was not meant to be a rant in any way, just an explanation for some of the decisions that were made.

    Thank you and regards,
    Austin

    Posted: August 29, 2010 11:11 AM
    SS_44
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