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Sessler's Soapbox: Will Nintendo Do 3D the Right Way?

Posted: April 6, 2010
Sessler's Soapbox: Will Nintendo Do 3D the Right Way?
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  • jungleman67

    3ds 3d is different. there is a video for a virtual reality game for 3ds. very impressive

    Posted: April 6, 2010 3:44 PM
    jungleman67
  • Life79

    Adam rocks glad to have you back. As for 3D games, im more worried that with 3D not only will we be seeing objects up close and personal but we will also see the price of already pricey games going up as well. 60 dollars is already alot of money to spend on a game as is, i couldnt imagine how much a so called 3D game will cost. I hope with the success of games like xplosion man, the hopeful success of comic jumper, and shank that game developers see you dont have to be a multimillion dollar game to impress and sell. I watch and hear alot of developers cry about the amount of money it takes to make AAA titles, well my friends not everyone has to be a AAA developer. Your games can rock if you invest a couple of grand and can really suck if you invest a couple mill. so please if you put 3D in the games dont cry and say you had to because of the 3D tech no one asked you to put it in the game in the first place.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 3:44 PM
    Life79
  • bloodysilence19

    3d is good thing but right now i think 3d is getting pushed way to much. i mean most people still don't have a HDTV or even know what HD is. i think in couple of years like 2 or 3 than 3d should start getting pushed into tv, gaming etc. I'm skeptical though on Nintendos 3DS cause it could do Great or be a Epic Fail!!!. in business you take a risk and hope what your making or selling planes out good. look at blue ray when it was first introduce in the ps3 whats the first things people said wtf is blue ray and why do i need it. the whole discussion with it was saying its useless take it out etc etc. well turn out Sony took the risk and eventually blue ray became the number one Hd media format for movies and came extremely popular, now blue ray is the best way to watch movies. overall 3d is a cool thing but all business need to hold back 2 to 3 years until HDTV are the standard TVs in homes.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 3:24 PM
    bloodysilence19
  • lowkevmic

    I think the issue with 3D is that game developers and film makers use it to make something even better. Where they'll make a game or movie, but after the product is complete, go back and add 3D to it in order to enhance what they already have. If 3D was instead the actual focus of the game or movie, then maybe you'll have a better product. For example, Avatar and the new Resident Evil Aftermath are both movies where it was made with 3D viewing in mind. Meaning all of the stunts, movements, and action sequences was made so the effect of 3D was the star of the show. Which is a great idea. If gaming took the same approach, then they may be on to somethng. I say leave it to Nintendo to probably the first to get it right. I'm just sitting back and waiting for them to come out with something revolutionary like a Mario 3D, or something like that to blow our minds!!

    Posted: April 6, 2010 3:16 PM
    lowkevmic
  • edgeofblade

    Failing movie industry, please hit rock bottom already. Meanwhile, just keep your 3D... AWAY. FROM. MY. GAMES!

    Here, go look at 3D movies in 2D. They SUCK. They have little merit on their own.

    * Clash of the Titans was awfully shallow and disappointing in content.
    * Alice in Wonderland was sucking at the nipple of the giant Depp fancow and was disappointing in execution.
    * Journey to the Center of the Earth, with Brendan Frasier was a CGI and blue screen nightmare ("Despite clearly hanging from wires, we're still falling!!!!").

    See a pattern here? In 2D, it was apparent the 3D gimmick was the ONLY thing holding these movies together... about as well as a ball of twine can secure a Hummer to the hull of a 747. 3D makes directors, writers, animators... even the friggin lighting gaffers lazy. These rose colored (and polarized) lenses simply cannot cover it up.

    NOW, look at Avatar the Game. See my point?

    Posted: April 6, 2010 3:08 PM
    edgeofblade
  • NocturnalX

    I wanna hear what John Carmack has to say about 3-D gaming. When he gives his two cents to the press on this whole 3-D thing, everyone will have a reason to shut up.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 3:07 PM
    NocturnalX
  • hunkychops

    I wish people could pull themselves out of nostalgia and let technology progress. Seeing these advancements as only gimicks is slightly ignorant. Most of you sound like the people who thought that the radio was just a fad, and then the TV, then color TV etc. In the end, 3D will benefit the gaming industry (once the developers learn how to use it correctly.)

    Posted: April 6, 2010 2:38 PM
    hunkychops
  • GameFreak398

    NO ONE WANTS 3D. Dont fix whats not broken. I have plenty of friends that hate the idea of games in 3D

    Posted: April 6, 2010 2:36 PM
    GameFreak398
  • samiam0605

    I do not want 3-D with my games. I feel the same way about 3-D that I do about motion controls. I personnally don't want it but as long as it is only an option and not being forced on me by the developers then go ahead and make games in 3-D. I saw Clash of the Titans in 2-D because I wanted to and saw Alice in Wonderland in 3-D because I wanted to so as long as there is a choice I'm ok with it.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 2:33 PM
    samiam0605
  • Gathoom

    No matter how you look at it its still a bunch of lines pulsating across the screen.


    Albeit pretty lines.

    but still lines just the same.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 1:34 PM
    Gathoom
  • Meatball_Mamba

    Great soapbox. I'm excited to see just what Nintendo have planned with the 3DS, whether that means finding out that Nintendo have a truly great concept under wraps or a lame failure. The point put forth that the 3DS's (somewhat inevitable?) success could lead the wider industry into a poor direction, with publishers and developers left and right attempting to jump the bandwagon without much thought is certainly something worth thinking about - and not something that I'd considered.

    I really do think we're pushing towards 3D far too early, I do believe that it's an inevitable direction for gaming and simply moving images and displays in general but companies like Sony and the countless movie studios look to be pushing it to hard too early just to make an easy $.

    It's a shame that it looks like this 'next step' looks to be occuring so soon when gaming has just really started to hit a sweet-spot of sorts. It feels like these days that - aside from the odd bit of shovelware (more prevalent on some platforms over others) - there just aren't really any bad games. Even the poorer games at least have some semblance of functionality to them and tend to be merely average (as opposed to being bad). On top of this we're seeing so many high quality releases now that it will be a damn shame to have to go through the sort of growing pains new technology like the 3D is bound to bring. Particularly since, at the end of the day - unless Nintendo do indeed have something truly impressive up their sleeves with the 3DS - 3D is unlikely to bring us anything to truly enhance our game-playing experiences.

    I'd also just like to say that Apsalus07's comment - while having a couple of decent points buried here and there - is ridiculous and needlessly inflammatory. Complaining about bias? The entire point to Sessler's Soapbox (and nay, a large reason he is employed) is to express an opinion - Adam is not employed to just give you the facts and pet you on the head and tell you how special you are.

    It'd be one thing to scream bias and hypocrisy if Sessler were simply whinging and harping on the topic unintelligently, but he makes multiple points and puts them forth intelligently (and in the case of his piercing analogy - entertainingly). This is clearly a topic he has given much thought to, and his opinion is clearly not the result of some biased, knee-jerk reaction. Apsalus07 is raging just because he was presented an opinion that doesn't jive with his own.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 1:28 PM
    Meatball_Mamba
  • bigboi21

    There's 4 reasons why i think we arn't ready for, let alone want 3D.
    1) Too much hardware: For 3D television alone you need, a television provider who offers 3D programming, a 3D set-top-box, a 3D capable TV, and ridiculously expensive, awkward glasses.
    2) Money: We're all in a recession at the moment and 3D technology isn't cheap. 3D TV's alone are over $3000, and some people just recently made the transition to HD TV's or even LED TV's.
    3) Point?: I have no problem with 3D movies, if done correctly (i.e. Avatar). Avatar was made for 3D and built from the ground up on 3D. Other movies that just throw it on last minute to get sales (i.e. Clash of the Titans), which was pretty decent, ruin the entire effects of 3D. Oooh lets throw something at the audience and make them say "oooh, aaahh, yes i spent $20 on this movie". And i have yet to see a reason for why having a game, for example an FPS, in 3D will better my experience and skill. Until they make it so what you see in 3D CAN ONLY be seen in 3D, for example theres an enemy hiding in a bush, can't see him on screen, but when i go into 3D (i.e. put on glasses or w/e) then i can see him. Now we maybe years from this technology, but until then theres really no point.
    4) (and obvious) Glasses: Those expensive, awkward, ugly glasses we all dread are involved in almost every 3D aspect.

    On the contrary, all the reasons i stated above will be the advantage Nintendo will have with the 3DS. It's one device, small and compact, most likely won't cost an arm and a leg, the demonstration with the mystery game showing the clue behind something only seen in 3D gives games on it a point, and theres NO GLASSES!

    Which is why i see the 3DS selling very well. Maybe not as well as the DS did, because we weren't in a recession then, but it being the first of its kind (excluding the Virtual Boy, which can't really compare but its brought up every time i see news about the 3DS) it will sell very well.

    I'm not a dis-believer that 3D will revolutionize gaming, but we have yet to see it in full action and well worth our money...and minus the glasses, excluding the 3DS of course.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 1:26 PM
    bigboi21
  • JDarkley

    Do I see 3D being used as a gimmick? Yes, probably by the same developers who regularly make shovelware for the Wii. That's not Nintendo's fault that some developers are going to cash in whatever newfangled technology comes our way. Thus, it's up to us as consumers not to buy into the gimmicks. Was the 3D for Clash of the Titans a gimmick? Hell yes it was! So in order to be responsible consumers, we go see it in 2D instead. Just be smart about what you consume.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 1:24 PM
    JDarkley
  • Zero Mayhem

    How heartwarming to hear Adam address the current 3D craze and articulate exactly the same thoughts I was just days ago expressing to a friend.

    Yes new tech will continue to move forward but the question remains, how does this enhance the actual gameplay of games (as opposed to just selling new tech).

    Posted: April 6, 2010 1:08 PM
    Zero+Mayhem
  • christof_

    The penis piercing analogy was hilarious and made my day =)

    Posted: April 6, 2010 12:55 PM
    christof_
  • Marcus202

    3D is just a stepping stone to the true future of visual technology, which is holographic images. 3D will be milked dry until the tech for holograms becomes cheap enough for mass production. Until then high-definition and imax in 2D is good enough for me.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 12:50 PM
    Marcus202
  • Thunderkleize_

    Anybody else get a samsung TV ad before the HD soapbox and think: irony?

    Posted: April 6, 2010 12:48 PM
    Thunderkleize_
  • Yancy_01

    Same here 3D Avatar did nothing for me. I've since seen Alice in Wonderland, How to Train Your Dragon, AND Clash of the Titans (i'll never get that time back) all in 2D. Listen they can ram this tech down our throats but the bottom line is I'm not going to buy your stupid 3D tvs! So go ahead!! Make your 3D movies, and retrofit my childhood, but at the end of the day I decide where my money goes and 3D . . . it's not lookin' good for you boy . . .

    Posted: April 6, 2010 12:43 PM
    Yancy_01
  • Apsalus07

    1.) Adam aren't you supposed to be a journalist... as in UNBIASED about your reporting? I can understand you're trying to put out an editorial in video form, but I don't think I've ever heard you say anything other than how you hate 3D on any G4 program. So let's get something straight, just because YOU don't like 3D and don't think it enhances movies/games doesn't mean others don't think so. Even my grandmother went to see Alice in Wonderland last weekend in 3D and she liked it a lot. I may not like the Wii but I can understand how others would enjoy it. In a videogame like Resident Evil 5 (3D) it was much scarier to be attacked by a 3D zombie than by a 2D zombie. Do you see how it works? Your opinion is not the only one in the world that matters.

    2.) You can't stop 3D. You just can't. You can spit out all the disgusting penis analogies you want, but you won't even slow it down. 3D is the holy grail of graphics technology. Now that 3D is within reach, its too tempting not to embrace it. Even you admitted on Feedback that 3D is eventually coming; it's inevitable.

    3.) Now keeping that in mind, let me address your point regarding how 3D technology will erode the quality of games because people will be focusing on graphics instead of gameplay. Let's suppose that premise is true (though I don't necessarily think so), let's suppose that gameplay IS sacrificed while 3D gets up and rolling. Now look back and point #2: 3D is inevitable. So somewhere down the line we will still have to move through a point of reduced gameplay quality and simultaneous increased 3D graphics quality. That's just how progress works! The end result however, is that we will eventually have 3D games with great graphics which enhance great gameplay.

    4.) You derided graphics acceleration in the late 90's. And yet just this year you've praised the gorgeous graphics Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 delivered. These facts combined make you a hypocrite Adam. If we had it your way, toda we'd all be playing God of War 7 right now (with superb gameplay!) but with 16-bit graphics. Try and imagine that: no beautiful establishment shots, no gory ways to eviscerate centaurs, no seeing heads ripped off, no huge titans climbing mountains. None of that; the graphics technology would not exist. Oh but the Quicktime Events would be so much more refined! LOL.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 12:42 PM
    Apsalus07
  • Reign90

    LMAO @ dick joke XD
    It's so nice to have you back Adam : )

    I agree with the idea that 3D is a gimmick, and on a side note AVATAR's 3D sucked and gave me a massive headache.
    I have no faith in 3D and it really is just a fad, like bluray. The bottom dollar ALWAYS wins, and people don't want to pay a butt load of money to wear glasses when they're watching TV. Just like people don't feel like paying an extra ten bucks for bluray, when DVD is essentially the same, and cheaper.
    Nintendo already sells their DS for cheap, so regardless of 3D, it'll still sell. I don't know what they're gonna sell on it, but I'm sure they have something up their sleeve to bring out a new piece of hardware. But Nintendo's investment in 3D doesn't necessarily mean that they support it. HOW many versions of the DS are there? HOW many add ons are there for the Wii? I think they're just cashing in on it while they can, especially since you don't have to pay huge money for a new TV or glasses when it comes to the 3D DS.

    Posted: April 6, 2010 12:34 PM
    Reign90
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