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DICE 2010: "Design Outside the Box" Presentation

Posted: February 18, 2010
DICE 2010: "Design Outside the Box" Presentation
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Carnegie Mellon University Professor, Jesse Schell, dives into a world of game development which will emerge from the popular "Facebook Games" era.

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  • SPL33N

    I don't have a facebook account, I never bought an apple product, I don't buy organic, and the only console I've ever owned is a NES that was handed down to me by my sister. People who are herded into taking a bite out of this capitalistic trough have the mental capacity of my analogy's subject, so I do see some form of his Orwellian vision becoming reality. They won't be "inspired" into being "better" people. They will conform into what they're told.

    ANARCHISTS ASSEMBLE!

    I like the smell of my farts too much right?

    Posted: February 20, 2010 1:22 AM
    SPL33N
  • Keinchi

    It's funny he mentions the teacher handing out experience points instead of grades to encourage students to do better. It reminds me of this flash on Newgrounds, Final Fantasy A+, the students are in school and they "fight" homework, and the teacher is a big boss of sorts. All of this collectively leads up to them gaining experience points and in so many words making the grade. Another thing, is a Japanese Card Game animation, I'm sure everyone is familiar with, YuGiOh GX, students placed into school to learn how to play the game and their rank is based on who is the best. Well what I'm going for, is that these general concepts may not be too far off from the future considering everything. I think his speech is in a way put to fruition on screen by these animations. Meaning the idea has been there but not really placed into action quite yet, with the exception of a few. I think it will be really interesting when a type of achievement system that everyone can relate to is put in place.

    Posted: February 20, 2010 12:44 AM
    Keinchi
  • jazzmann91

    Very interesting. Hardly unfathomable, but then I'll leave being amazed to the consumer. I'm designing a new age game to help facilitate peace. I'll warn you I'm a bit crazy, but then a good nut should be right?

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    Posted: February 19, 2010 10:05 PM
    jazzmann91
  • rGrayMiller

    Good stuff. One thing:

    Are people really "hungering" for "authenticity", or would they even know what to do with it if they ever got it? Call it the Uncanny Valley: when things get too real, people freak - unless the illusion is perfect... but it's still an illusion. You think any "reality" TV actually showcases "reality"? Besides, escapism (or "fantasy") is still grounded in reality lest it be completely incomprehensible - you can't have one without the other.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 3:13 PM
    rGrayMiller
  • christof_

    YES. I've always said the most popular games have the best psychological hooks. Thank you sir.

    Call of Duty and Halo - Shooter mechanics. Leveling up. Teamwork.

    Gears of War and Left 4 Dead - Surviving TOGETHER against all odds.

    Fallout and Left 4 Dead - Post apocalyptic craziness. No responsibilities. Rebuilding the future.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 2:21 PM
    christof_
  • nicolo

    It reminds me those initiatives:
    http://www.thefuntheory.com/

    Posted: February 19, 2010 1:45 PM
    nicolo
  • mawfu

    Power lases first then digital shoes. Fantastic presentation.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 12:45 PM
    mawfu
  • Pyrrhus

    Big brother is watching you
    so i'm guessing it's not a matter of if, but when
    very scary but very possible

    Posted: February 19, 2010 12:12 PM
    Pyrrhus
  • Maiestas777

    I am stunned. This guy is a freaking genius. Although, I sit here and I don't know whether to fear this or embrace it.

    On the fear side, the only way this works is if suddenly every company starts to participate in the "Meta-game of Life" at about the same time. If not, suddenly one company begins to herd the masses, and we begin to fall at the whim of this company. Eventually the company owns all of our lives and world domination.

    Even more so we get the question of negative points. What happens if (big if) suddenly the police force begins to reprimand you based on the times you lose points for doing things deemed morally irresponsible. Granted, this would allow for quick and decisive action against rapists, murderers, etc. However, who decides these point gains and losses? Suddenly we are at the mercy of the companies unless, say, there has to be a screening of every award created.

    This then creates a bigger problem in itself of regulation, assuming the points system cannot tell when bad rewards or punishments are being created. We cannot allow these points to run rampant, as eventually if our world becomes dependent on this point structure, since it is automatically calculating all of your good and bad actions, they will dictate our lives. Who would keep this system in check to stop people from abusing it? We would then fall to the same trappings of a modern society. The speaker spoke of how this would cause people to be morally responsible, but what if it is abused, as any system always is.

    On the other side though is the revelation of how great this would be. Assuming my above points are addressed correctly, this would usher in a new era of prosperity for humanity. It would give everybody this new sense of self-worth and purpose, and allow them to proper. It could lower suicide occurrences in which the reason was feeling like you have no life purpose, as now your purpose is that instinctual urge to get the high score.

    Overall this idea is both scary and amazing. We are all going to be a witness to the dawn of a new age of man, a modern renaissance if you will. But with this new power will come great responsibility, as is the cliche saying. We must be careful, but not fearful. It is a bold new future we are going toward and I, for one, am excited.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 12:09 PM
    Maiestas777
  • benh20

    Getting experience points in class would change my mind-set on how I look a school.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 11:32 AM
    benh20
  • RandyMercer

    This Probably the best thing I've seen on web this week and well, ever. The thought of gaming being the conduit to tracking people has crossed mind once before but not to that extent.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 10:22 AM
    RandyMercer
  • vanphelan

    If this comes to fruition, nobody will ever watch porn again lol. All jokes aside this was pretty insane. I knew there was a reason to be afraid of farmvale and mafia wars but i didn't know it was like 1984 scarry. My only question is when i finally level up and get life's final equipment and my stats are maxed out, what kind of final boss are we looking at here?

    Posted: February 19, 2010 9:55 AM
    vanphelan
  • hoof_hearted4

    very interesting!

    Posted: February 19, 2010 9:50 AM
    hoof_hearted4
  • Spinoza

    If that future ends up happening I may have to kill myself....wait, will I get achievement points for that?

    Posted: February 19, 2010 9:46 AM
    Spinoza
  • giveadogaboner

    he joked about the real life points system but i think it may have some real implications.

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    300 Points

    Posted: February 19, 2010 9:38 AM
    giveadogaboner
  • Lucifer6972

    So let me get this straight...I went out last night, you know, at about midnight and did some things. So this thing right here, what I'm looking at is oign to tell me how artificially intelligent it is and how is measured by my performance?

    Well, in some ways I do wanna know more about my performance and how I measured up against, since competition makes the world go around but na'h, I don't an RPG style machine tell me how many people are screwed, how many people get raided, etc. So this is what this bad boy claims to be?

    Posted: February 19, 2010 8:43 AM
    Lucifer6972
  • cpspoo

    Awesome presentation! Thanks, G4, for bringing this to me!

    Posted: February 19, 2010 7:46 AM
    cpspoo
  • wallaby420

    This was just plain cool.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 7:06 AM
    wallaby420
  • Onikinou

    Makes a lot of sense, but people are unpredictable and weird. We are always the ones who'll ultimately decide if any of this comes true.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 5:26 AM
    Onikinou
  • Ressard

    I thought it was interesting, good strong presentation, but I don't want a reality where I get points for EVERYTHING. Its nice to just live. I call bullcrap on that ever being a reality. Tho, it's an interesting theory. Man, I hope I'm right.

    Posted: February 19, 2010 1:36 AM
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