Feedback -- X10 And Dante's Inferno Edition

Posted: February 17, 2010
Feedback -- X10 And Dante's Inferno Edition
Adam Sessler, Abbie Heppe, Andrew Pfister and Patrick Klepek discuss the finer points of Dante's and the larger issue of whether imitation is truly the sincerest form of flattery.

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  • NUKEMANN1995

    Im so close to chopping off my toes. that pain might block the agony of waiting for Crackdown 2

    Posted: February 18, 2010 4:39 PM
  • wafflesrgood

    Anyone else know why gears of war used too be one of the top shooters on the market. Now it seems too be fading into the jaded shooter market on the xbox 360 today?

    Posted: February 18, 2010 4:07 PM
  • thePcgamer

    You guys should give some 12-15 year olds credit. We arent all stupid. Ive read Atlas Shrugged and Anthem. I got the socialism and capitalism vibes in Bioshock. I know that a majority of this age group are forum trolls and uneducated, but its not all of us. im just saying give some of us the benefit of the doubt.
    Here comes the hate...

    Posted: February 18, 2010 3:30 PM
  • Sphincterror

    I was mildly interested in Alan Wake until you guys started throwing around The X-files as a reference point. Now I am completely hooked. The X-files is my favorite TV series, and the episode with the green bugs was also my favorite. Good times...

    Posted: February 18, 2010 2:53 PM
  • Highdefinition

    mention the "running man" reference but not the "dead alive" reference about killing the zombies with the lawn mower, come on guys.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 2:40 PM
  • Cathartic Denoument

    @Patrick Klepek:

    Wait; you didn't know you can toggle over to the Holy Path & check out the description of the techniques, without having to level up to them & without having to purchase them?
    It shows a little video & description of how each move works!
    (Except for the Magic attacks, which you need to have in order to view the upgrades)
    LoL; ohh maannn..You totally missed out, Patrick!

    Even the Dev Team said that the Holy Path was more rewarding! That was in the Dev videos you guys uploaded, before the game even came out! Come on, Patrick! LoL

    All the good stuff was on the Holy Path, like Holy Protection [Lvl 1 & 2] & Divine Armor [Levels 1-3].
    Holy Protection decreased damage received by 5%, and when upgraded became 10%.
    And Divine Armor, once activated, REGENERATED HEALTH & PROTECTED YOU FROM DAMAGE.
    Then by Level 7, the Blessed Spirit Tap [Lvl 1 & 2], releases health from enemies that get destroyed by the cross.
    And not to mention the Relics that helped you PWN better.
    Then the Divine Force blast was like shooting Iron Man's repulser beam!
    Omg, Patrick! LoL

    The only thing I needed from the Unholy Path was the upgrade for the grab move (Death's Grasp) - Death's Reach, and the counter-deflect move - Repayment & Retribution.
    Also the Redemption Cell upgrade, Relic Slot upgrade, and the Health & Mana bar upgrades.
    And MAYBE the upgrades to the Magic (which I hardly use anyways).
    Everything else was optional for me.

    The Holy Path does most of the PWNING for me. LoL

    Since Abbie played this 2 � times (thats *2 1/2* in case the "half" doesn't show up), I'm really curious how she would review the game. =b

    Anyways, get on that Holy Path ASAP, Patrick!
    You might enjoy the game more!

    Posted: February 18, 2010 1:32 PM
  • Darkreaper1

    It was a good feed this week with some a lot for specific games I had thoughts on. First I got Dante's inferno fully aware that it was a god of war clone and guess what? I enjoyed, get over the fact that its was designed off another game, No ones fight that bioshock is like system shock. I agree with that with the crew that while it was not anything mind blow-lying new, it was still a fun game. After watching this episode I can say that I am now looking forward to dead rising 2 and crackdown.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 1:17 PM
  • ghostmonkey7

    patrick said there is not a release date for reach but the g4 website says sep 28th, so whos wrong?

    Posted: February 18, 2010 12:02 PM
  • sandboxgamer

    Deadrising 2 and Lost planet 2 are going to be on PS3 its not exclusive to 360 just to clearify things.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 11:32 AM
  • Hinanator

    I love the 'feedback' series.
    I respect the opinion of Adam Sessler and I like the mature 'strait forward' style of Andrew Pfister.
    Please keep this style of show going. I would like to see a 'guest speaker' added to the shows(small segment), someone inside the industry who would tell it like it is, but not an interview about that person.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 11:04 AM
  • IamtheBat

    I'm glad you brought up the issue of "sub-text" in games, but I think its quite a bit more complex than you went into. The point being there is "real world thought" in games and then there is "sub text".

    When I play a game like Assassins Creed, especially the original, its not so much as "sub text" as "real world thought". The game dives into many issues of the third crusade, that were actually believed to happen. This adds to the game immensely, especially for someone who already knows the history of the third crusade, and creates a world that provokes thought, but doesn't force you down a road of "you have to believe what we say.". This is the same with Bioshock as you mentioned, and to a large part Fallout 3, it creates a universe for you to explore your thoughts, but doesn't try to force you down a single road (but admittedly does lead you to certain ideas and conclusions it wants you to understand).

    When I think of "subtext", I think of games that aren't thought provoking, but more of propaganda. Not to pick on Sony, but a lot of PS3 exclusives that are based around shooting, carry some type of anti-war subtext. Metal Gear Solid, MAG, Killzone 2 all have characters blatantly saying that war is BAD, private military contracting is BAD, the war economy is BAD. This isn't thought provoking, but force feeding of ideas, many war movies and war games project the same conclusion, but don't demand that you believe word for word what they say. It ultimately makes the game feel hypocritical, and adds nothing of value to the story or background. Deep down the reason we play shooting games is that some part of ourselves wants to shoot somebody, it doesn't mean we don't have ethical and moral views on war, but we want to play that role.

    When thought provoking content is put into a game, it helps me and my character better view both worlds, it doesn't force a image into your head, but allows for a deep connection between reality and thought. Adding "subtext" to a game in no way helps the story or the player, allowing someone to make up their own mind and forcing an ideology on them are two separate things. In the future I would hope to see more thought provoking games, and less subtext.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 11:03 AM
  • RandyMercer

    Another great Feedback(so what else is new) I was a little left out, being that I never played Crackdown but even I got excited for a little bit. It's also a shame that game developers are losing their jobs, it's unfortunate for anyone to lose a job now, no matter what game they made hopefully they go to another studio and get put on better projects that will challenge their talent. Oh and also If no one was paying attention Heavy Rain is more than likely next weeks Feedback.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 10:32 AM
  • ayosean10

    patrick... that shirt is dope

    Posted: February 18, 2010 10:30 AM
  • Echo5585

    My gamerscore is over 56k does that mean i get to work at G4??
    because that would be frickin amazing.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 10:24 AM
  • Rob0pope

    I'm so glad there's a forum for game discussion for the level-headed gamer. Stay classy, G4. ;)

    Posted: February 18, 2010 10:16 AM
  • Thoreauvian

    I appreciate that Sess constantly gives a shout out to Enlish majors and our plight of not easily finding a vocation. That's where I'm at! That being said, I wouldn't have wanted to study anything else in college.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 9:42 AM
  • evilthecat13

    Quit whining, iPod slaves. You're sitting in front of the streaming video RIGHT NOW! Just watch it and be done with it. Only a fool would wait a week for something that's right in front of their face.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 8:54 AM
  • Adrian_L_B

    G4 just like MTV has done this it seems to be a lack of creativity or budget on their parts they will say they are one thing and program another. The thing that suprises me is that G4 or E! depending who ultimately is doing the shot calling is not trying to do more to bring in a larger audeince. Ok fine not all Game stuff cool what about tech stuff as well or a comic book show headed up by Blair Butler. Most of what Cops bust are not gamers gamers are to lazy or to obessed with WOW or what not to commit crimes or in the case of Cheaters date let alone cheat on their girlfriend if they have it. OH YEAH BRING BACK KEYLEIGH

    Posted: February 18, 2010 7:37 AM
  • Thoreauvian

    Two comments: 1)Abbie Heppe kept covering her face (I think she was biting her fingernails) through the first part of this Feedback. I know this is in no way relevent, but I spent the first part of this Feedback trying to see if she was covering some type of facial blemish. My conclusion: no. No facial blemish. 2)Why are we talking about Dante's Inferno? It seems tired and very last week. Why not more Heavy Rain discussion since it seems much more inventive and original than Dante's Inferno.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 7:20 AM
  • Heretech-135

    Yes, I think that people don't get the anti-religious subtexts of Assassin's Creed and its predecessor, but I don't think it's on the same level as with Handel's Messiah or Alighieri's epic poem the Inferno. Both of these classics are rather scathing criticisms of (especially) the Roman Catholic Church, and I just don't think that Assassin's Creed is quite on par with these great works... yet.

    Posted: February 18, 2010 6:45 AM