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Feedback: Nintendo Wins December, Dark Void, and Grown-up Games

Posted: January 20, 2010
Feedback: Nintendo Wins December, Dark Void, and Grown-up Games
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Adam, Patrick, Abbie, and Sterling discuss the December NPD sales figures, Uncharted 2's linearity, and Dark Void.

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  • bigolkev

    The wii is an awesome system, don't get me wrong. But like Merivigian said , the wii is something you buy almost as if it was a piece of furniture like a lamp or cool piece of art. It's great for parties, and the demographic Nintendo is really going after is the 80's baby generation, who are all grown up and remember how much fun they had with their first Nintendo!! Nintendo are the kings of exploiting the nostalgic value of the brand!! I mean have you played the new Mario Brothers?? It feels like Super Mario World meets Mario Party!! Every single world is meant to play like the old Mario games. So in actuality there really isn't nothing all to new or innovative about the game!! Except the fact that instead of waiting for your sibling or friend to die so you can have a chance to play, everyone is playing together at the same time, not so much as a team, but it quickly turns into an everyman for himself type of thing! Which ends up being really fun!!

    Also, I noticed that none of them touched on the most obvious reason why the Wii outsold everyone this year and has been for a while. That can simply be credited to the fact that you can beat 199.00 for a brand new wii, and 150.00 for a used one!! Today's consumer get turned off when they find out that they can get a cool system like a 360 for 199, but then realize all the extra stuff they would have to buy for it. Same with the PS3, for the hardcore gamer, 299.00 is a gift from the gaming gods. But it still comes off a little too expensive for your everyday average consumer. Nintendo is synonomous with home video gaming. So to that parent who is looking for something for the whole family and not feel as if anyone is left out, they can't go wrong with a wii, and nintendo knew that there were more of those type of consumers then there are hardcore gamers who live eat and sleep video games!!

    Posted: January 21, 2010 3:31 PM
    bigolkev
  • Warrior567

    adam hasn't done an obsecure reference in 2 shows

    Posted: January 21, 2010 3:12 PM
    Warrior567
  • Warrior567

    espn 360.com just shows a bunch of games that didn't make the espn lineup. hopefully they show things like sports for free

    Posted: January 21, 2010 2:49 PM
    Warrior567
  • SilverJC

    You guys where speaking about the linearity in games and what apparent reviews could hurt it. Although We know that games like CoDMW2 and Uncharted in the single player department where as linear as we can get, still the experience we get from this "linearity" game play was huge and memorable. Where it get to my question for you guys:

    Do you think Heavy Rain could be a model to follow when it comes to story telling or how we look to multiple plot-lines in a video game and how the player has the control of the storyline?

    Posted: January 21, 2010 2:22 PM
    SilverJC
  • kayderek18

    these four are probably my favorite feedback host-guests combination.
    Also Sterling's hair is awesome, and im not just saying that cause Im going for a similar look.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 12:00 PM
    kayderek18
  • AIFRANCHISE

    The ps3 barely beat out the 360 which looks the exact same as it did at launch.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 11:20 AM
  • justabum

    i certainly agree with the whole linear thing..a set structure works very well for narrative..open world games tend to not have cohesive stories..on the other hand games like fallout where the story is about the wasteland for the most part..every mission tells more of the story..that was genius..i remember when less linear meant there were multiple ways to advance through a stage..and that helped tremendously..instead of always taking the exact same path..except for games like MW2 where..yes it is kinda "on rails" but the experience is so well crafted and polished that its not so noticeable..

    Posted: January 21, 2010 10:05 AM
    justabum
  • HatchetWarriorX

    The real question is when do PC gamers get the rub again and get expansive multiplayer that feature mod tools and dedicated servers such as Battlefield42/2 instead of getting basically games made for consoles ported. [Modern Warfare 2, Bad Company 2, Starwars Force Unleashed (which was poorly ported at that)]

    Posted: January 21, 2010 9:41 AM
    HatchetWarriorX
  • BertSaxby

    Motion is a non-starter. Completely irrelevant. Yah, I said it.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 9:12 AM
    BertSaxby
  • Geistman

    Couple of interesting things here. Mature (Adult) content in games: I believe that there are three big reasons why we are seeing less of a rabble about the them. (I'll preface this that I'm in the 20-30 age group)
    1: Gaming is more mainstream than the mid-90's which seemed to be the peak of the Fire and Brimstone responses.
    2: You have more Gamers who are now having children of their own. I don't know if a house of gamers breeds gamers but if your parents are gamers they will have an inherent understanding of content better than those who aren't
    3: Communication and data sharing. Getting access to content reviews is becoming easier and easier which is allowing more "informed" decisions to be made. The excuse of "I didn't know the game was like that" is becoming less relevant as a parent can spend 5-10 minutes on the internet and have a decent idea of what the game contains (ref: ESRB "spoilers" comment in Episode.)

    Posted: January 21, 2010 8:38 AM
    Geistman
  • merivigian

    "What are people doing witht these machines!?"

    Well, I got a wii a few christmases ago and have played it about 10 times since then. While at the same time my brother recieved a 360 and he's played it.. lets see... every day since then. I happen to see this trend of buying a wii and using it as a piece of decor for your home, rather than play it, when ever I go over to my friends houses or even my parents friends houses. I think the stigma of "With the Wii you can use this fancy wiimote and interact with the games!" gets people to purchase yet the fun actually dies off pretty quick. If you own a wii you know what I'm talking about.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 7:40 AM
    merivigian
  • Calbanese

    i didnt think i would like this web show, but the bouncing comments back of forth of everyone is just so intriguing ahaha

    Posted: January 21, 2010 7:23 AM
  • UltimaRatioRegum

    Yeah, what is it with trends in video game reviewing? I see this stuff all the time. It's funny that you guys mentioned Dark Sector, which was a game that I felt got unfair treatment by most reviewers. At the time of it's release, Bioshock had just come out and everybody was preaching about how in order for a game to be good, it had to have a great story. Dark Sector did not, or at least not a very well told one, and everybody trashed it even though the gameplay was actually really fun. It's just really strange that this happens in video game reviews because you never see it in other media. It's like if some great action movie comes out, and then every film critic complains that some new romantic comedy doesn't have enough explosions in it. Why does this happen?

    Yeah, I'm glad you guys mentioned Dark Sector. That's a game I always suggest to friends and as soon as they play it all skepticism falls to the wayside. That's a game that, if it had sold well and warranted a sequel, could have turned into a really great franchise.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 7:01 AM
    UltimaRatioRegum
  • Wallhammer40k

    360 offers so much on XBOX Live, yes, but you do pay for the service so i hope there is more than the PSN...I own a PS3 and I'm ok with it..i dont need so many extra features to play muli platform game i can on the ps3...now fallout 3 is a little buggy on the ps3, i agree...maybe porting was the problem, its the same game..but any other game i play on the ps3 has no bugs, cod 4 and mw2 is perfect.....so awesome for microsoft to add all their stuff, some thought, i think are novelty features

    Posted: January 21, 2010 6:11 AM
    Wallhammer40k
  • Tyri3l

    When it comes to kids, it is my belief that if you do your part and train(raise) them in a fundamental system they will behave in a way you can be proud of:

    1. Teach them your expectations
    2. Teach them to consider consequences before making a decision and acting on it
    3. Encourage good behavior with praise and a reward (positive reinforcement)
    4. Do not blackmail them into being good, you want good behavior all the time not just as a reaction
    5. Punish bad behavior
    6. When they do something bad remind them that when they're good they will be treated to good things
    and treat them to something to make up, they'll feel better about the whole ordeal

    Parents need to be the dominant alpha and punish their kids harshly when they screw up so that they will learn from their mistake and not make the same mistake again. You don't want them to fear mistakes just teach them the right way to react is to learn from it. Tell them what they learned is responsibility and after you punish them ask them directly what they learned and the answer should be "to be responsible" every time. If they screw up enough and they keep repeating that they're learning responsibility that word will pop into their mind every time they think they might be about to do something that will get them in trouble.

    You raise them this way to make them want to be responsible so that when they want something(in this case an M rated game) the same rules apply. I don't advocate suppression or sheltering kids from bad things because it doesn't work. Sheltering a child will make them rebellious and then they will behave badly. You want to teach them responsibility. If you already have good behavior ingrained when they ask for their first M rated game you can have a simple discussion with them stating that they need to continue behaving the same way other wise you'll take it away and they won't get it back for weeks until they prove they will keep being responsible.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 3:39 AM
    Tyri3l
  • Tyri3l

    When it comes to kids, it is my belief that if you do your part and train(raise) them in a fundamental system they will behave in a way you can be proud of:

    1. Teach them your expectations
    2. Teach them to consider consequences before making a decision and acting on it
    3. Encourage good behavior with praise and a reward (positive reinforcement)
    4. Do not blackmail them into being good, you want good behavior all the time not just as a reaction
    5. Punish bad behavior
    6. When they do something bad remind them that when they're good they will be treated to good things
    and treat them to something to make up, they'll feel better about the whole ordeal

    Parents need to be the dominant alpha and punish their kids harshly when they screw up so that they will learn from their mistake and not make the same mistake again. You don't want them to fear mistakes just teach them the right way to react is to learn from it. Tell them what they learned is responsibility and after you punish them ask them directly what they learned and the answer should be "to be responsible" every time. If they screw up enough and they keep repeating that they're learning responsibility that word will pop into their mind every time they think they might be about to do something that will get them in trouble.

    You raise them this way to make them want to be responsible so that when they want something(in this case an M rated game) the same rules apply. I don't advocate suppression or sheltering kids from bad things because it doesn't work. Sheltering a child will make them rebellious and then they will behave badly. You want to teach them responsibility. If you already have good behavior ingrained when they ask for their first M rated game you can have a simple discussion with them stating that they need to continue behaving the same way other wise you'll take it away and they won't get it back for weeks until they prove they will keep being responsible.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 3:35 AM
    Tyri3l
  • Hydrafiend

    One of the best pod(video)casts on the gaming industry. They actually seriously talk about gaming, and games about which people are actually interested in, without a bunch of miscellaneous stupid crap. Whatever people want to say about G4 (I have disagreed with some of their reviews lol-like Darksiders) you have to admit this show is pretty good.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 2:36 AM
    Hydrafiend
  • IamtheBat

    When Patrick said " Sony called 2009 a turning point, but they also called 2008 a turning point", Adam replied "yea Its a big circle." was I the only one who though "yea, there doing a big 360."

    ITT No fanboyism is present, i like Xbox and PlayStation.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 2:17 AM
    IamtheBat
  • Fex_Anderson

    I'm playing through The Sabotuer right now and I do kind of feel the non-linearity of the game damages the story a little bit. Also, I kind of go back and forth on the side-missions... There are so many of them in that game that you practically trip over them, but they usually just involve you planting explosives and taking a couple steps away so you don't get caught in the explosion or by the Nazis investigating it. It gives you money, so that is good, but the tasks are so simple. Like I said, whenever I drive past something in that game, I give it a moment of thought. Anyway, just felt I should throw my 2 cents in, as always. Great show, keep it up.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 2:05 AM
    Fex_Anderson
  • DarkSithMstr

    Great show, I really love the flow and dynamics of the disscussions.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 1:34 AM
    DarkSithMstr
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