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And if you can find the errors in the above reply I did, I'll give you a cookie.... maybe.
I think the same things can be said of Madden players, as much as people call them "Gramers."These casual gamers, when they want to play them, play very deep and involving games that they can set realistic goals(within the game) and they enjoy them.Not everybody has the time to RPGs all the time, but when they do, they do like do to a magnitude of things that you can don't with a simple game like Mario. I'm not knocking it for it's simplicity, but when you want deep, rich, and rewarding game play, yeah, it's not there. I've moved on to sims actually. Not "The Sims" but simulations like TNM7 for wrestling, because you can do so much more than you can with SvR 2010. I mean, SvR is getting there, but it's not quite there yet. I like the idea of a sim/game like Total Extreme Wrestling 2010, which you take a federation and you try and make it the best you can, with business, with good cards, with involving storylines that keep virtual fans amazed. The hangs up are still there though... for instance, you can't get a rich experience from sims visually all the time like you'd wish, and by the same token, you can't get a rich simulation experience out of games of the same genre, yet. I believe that down the road, we'll see SvR as more and more of a visual sim where nothing is out of your grasp to do, and that will be gaming experience that everybody will rave about.And other games will follow, maybe even 2k Sports will produce a MLB game that isn't as glitchy and allows you to take over a team and run it professionally on all fronts, like a combination of Front Office Manager and a more graphical representation of actually baseball.The future is bright, I just hope that developers will listen to their respective communities and look at the things people love in games and try to put a lot of that into them as the hardware allows.This is really long, is anybody going to read this now? :D
Thank you for putting into words what I have been feeling for quite some time now. I found myself at the store with probably 4 games in hand (I am a recent PS3 owner so I have catching up to do) trying to decide which one I wanted to buy. I had just finished uncharted: Drakes Fortune, so naturally I was looking at Uncharted 2, and a few other games. The fact that I was hugely dissapointed in the outcome of Uncharted that I was biased against umber 2 even though it still looks like a great game I felt the need for some personal accomplishment and advancement in a game. At the time I just couldn't imagine putting myself through somebody elses thought out story line and progression. I wanted to make choices in how things would turn out, and have it effect my game later on. So I went with the natural choice of Fallout 3. Now I couldn't be happier and feel more fullfilled every time I complete a mission or a set of dialogue and get people to see my way of things and avoid a conflict, or persuade someone to fight and walk away with too much loot to carry.That was a long and unnecessary story, but I just wanted to convey how your soapbox reflected my own personal tale. You are the best.
Good talk, Adam. It's true, avid game players really develop a pride in their games. I remember as a kid, I spent 2 1/2 hours beating my high score in Battlezone. It was just for me, no one else would ever see it. But the fact that I had sat down as said \"I'm going to get a new high score,\" and done it, it really gives you a great sense of pride.
I definitely know what Adam's saying. I started off with mario too and over the years I've had a much more waning interest towards the series. There's nothing wrong with it.. I suppose it just doesn't hold my attention anymore. The last one that really did it was Super Mario 64. I've moved on to much more story driven games, such as the Final Fantasy series and other RPG's but even my love for those games had actually begun to wane as of late. It wasn't until I picked up a PS3 with Dragon Age about 2 weeks ago that I actually fell in love with video games again! I haven't been this obsessed with a game since FFX, nor have i stayed up this late just to play it, and on a daily basis too. I guess my main point in all this is that it's interesting to see how video games have grown up with their audience. Dragon Age is a very mature title, and I know that if i had run into it a few years ago, I might have never given it a shot. Perhaps it is just us growing up as gamers and wanting more out of a game then just moving on to the next level, especially if we invest so much of our money and resources towards them. Just wanted to put in my two cents. :)
Been waiting to hear this for a long time.The trials and rewards of gaming are readily apparent and sometimes, when the blinders go up on us sensitive beings, we need the clear payoff to reset to zero.Currently on another runthrough of Fallout...
You actually rationalize the meaning and point of gaming, and for this I commend you cause you make it seem ok for me to enter a ecstasy in gaming that is normally demonized. You created a sense of reason now, so as I said before, thank you adam.
wow this really makes you think what makes a good and indering game
It's because you grow up Adam, that childhood innocence and sense of discovery is gone and all you have left is responsibilities and you want that sense of I am going to accomplish something today and it made me feel good!
3 improvements I'm wishing for in a sequel1. Don't pause the game for a second when someone dies!2. Let us walk past or through each other. (Jumping on each other is fine)3. Enough with the shaking and the waggling, just keep it out, it's annoying.4. Dont' force us to use the wii-mote. Let us use our classic controllers.Other than that, it's a great multiplayer game. I was disappointed to find that the single player game doesn't keep me interested. I don't think that it's a reflection on the game, it's a great game. But just a sad reflection on my age. bummer.
I couldn't agree with you more Adam. I grew up with the Intelevision and Atari 2600 and have been playing games since. I have noticed lately that there are fewer and fewer games that I really feel compelled to play, or even want to play much past a few hours of game play. It seems that they have moved past my level of interest or perhaps I have moved past the interest that they can provide. New Super Mario Bros. on the DS was a perfect example.I have always loved the Mario games, and can clearly remember spending weekends with my sisters playing Super Mario 3 over and over until we had to stop to go to bed for school on Monday. With the New Super Mario Bros. on the DS I found the first few levels to be exciting and fun, but it quickly started loosing its charm. By the time I beat the game I found I was doing it mo because of the fact that I thought of myself as a \"Mario Master\" then for any sense of achievement or accomplishment.It seems that this has been a growing issue for me for some time. Games used be something I took pride in... saying \"I beat XXXXX game\" now its \"Yeah I played it\". Perhaps I've been come jaded to gaming, or have grown past a the time where they still provide a level of interest. I like to think its just a phase gaming are going though... as a general I don't care for games that play like a horror movie, I don't play a lot of sports games, and this leaves me in the cold for a lot of games. Left 4 Dead 2, Resident Evil games, and games like Grand Theft Auto are games I have little to no interest in, other then to read about the stories involved.We are definitely seeing a change in games going from being something that kids play to something for adults. I just hope that during this change over manufactures can keep, or rediscover the magic that games held for us as children and incorporate it back in to the games that we are playing as adults, and just in the games that are for specific audiences.
Video games are the new \"golden age of film\" right now and I'd say Mario was a Talkie. Maybe its worn off compared to the competitive, and evolution, drive of the industry. OR it could be because they're trying to stuff motion control down our throats, groan. Motion controls are good in their own game, don't try to sneak it into a beloved classic lol.
I dunno if I can completely agree with this. Mario has always been one of those gaming constants for me...the one thing I never look at and ask myself, \"What happened? I used to enjoy this!\" I just pray Peach finds new ways to get kidnapped...so I can keep saving her. There is always another goal, another challenge to be conquered. Each stage that tests me only keeps me playing...the only real complaint I have with the new Mario game, is that it's too easy. Oh well, maybe I never grew up! Though I haven't yet played Dragon Age...
Very interesting talk. It could be (as you said) that what you want a video game to do has evolved past what Mario does. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with that (hey, we're all getting older). Enjoy Dragon Age: Origins and leave Mario for a new generation to fall in love with. ^_^
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