Sessler's Soapbox: To the Left 4 Dead 2 Petitioners...

Posted: June 17, 2009
Sessler's Soapbox: To the Left 4 Dead 2 Petitioners...
Adam weighs in on the Left 4 Dead 2 internet petition and explains why he thinks Valve is actually doing a good thing by releasing the sequel so quickly.

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  • Numbingfob

    Also thought I'ld ad There is more that a few aditional featues guys. Look if you want to be mad at Valve be mad at the fact that the 360 version of Team Fortress 2 hasent goten any new weapons that the pc version has goten.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 2:03 PM
  • Numbingfob

    Thanks Adam you said it better and kinder then I could. Left 4 Dead 2 looks like it's going to be fun. Yet also there aparent reason for this is Valve said they where realesing new content and instead they made a sequal.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 2:00 PM
  • Ultimafax

    When did game journalists lose their balls? Stop letting Valve off the hook, Sessler, and do your homework before you spew out crap.

    Where do you get off saying that this "weird" sense of entitlement manifests itself in the gaming community, and then exclaiming "it's a business!"? Of course it's a business! That's why customers are complaining about a crappy product. People who paid money for a service are entitled to that service! I mean, isn't G4 owned by COMCAST? Aren't you guys used to hearing people complaining about crappy service? Why is this concept so hard to grasp?

    Left 4 Dead, while fun, was half of a game at best. People bought it with the promise of additional, free content that would make it more of a complete game. Now Valve is asking its customers to shell out another $60 for the same game, with only few additional features. L4D2 would make a nice downloadable expansion pack, but are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that slapping a number '2' on the cover justifies releasing the same half-game again as a full-fledged sequel?

    To answer your redundant, stupid question, I was brought up in America, where we have the right to express our opinions and petition for the redress of grievances. While Valve is obviously a business and not the U.S. government, it's the same concept. We're allowed to "bitch" about things we're not happy about. If you don't like it, blame the First Amendment. This nation, and all of its promises of equal rights and freedom that were not fulfilled when it was first created, was built upon "whiners."

    What's "naive" is thinking Valve can get away with this and not get its butt kicked at store shelves. Since you obviously haven't done your research on the matter before you posted this, go to the Steam community group boycotting the game (it's up to 32,000 members, so just sort by the amount of members) and read its manifesto.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 1:13 PM
  • mrdeadhead

    Testify, sistah!

    Posted: June 18, 2009 12:05 PM
  • Kamikaze_Tutor

    Oh my god, that was it? I was expecting something intelligent and I got a "nah-nah-nah whiners".

    It's not the fact that Valve is releasing a full priced game, it's the fact that they're splitting up the player and modding community when they're are perfectly able to release L4D2 has a PAID EXPANSION PACK (not DLC).

    Other issues are that they said they were going to add new characters, weapons and campaigns to L4D but this sequel came from their work in supporting L4D, and I quote; "this is big enough that this isn t DLC, we re not going to be able to leak it out. It s a cohesive, single thing. It s Left 4 Dead 2."

    Valve also stated that they will continue to update L4D, well, even the first Half-Life is updated now and then. What worries the most is that they won't comment on new official content coming from Valve, saying that the game will be supported by the modding community. How is that if L4D2 is coming out with better AI Director and fixed stuff?

    They completely revamped TF2, I call bull if they say they can't have both old and new L4D coexist, specially with rumors that the second will come with the first.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 11:39 AM
  • PeterWDawson

    Why does this guy have a soapbox? Did they realize he's a terrible reviewer and decide it would be better to just let him be a douche somewhere else until his contract runs out? Seriously, this is Strawman at its finest.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 10:58 AM
  • hawkeyeul

    (The following is rebuttal to Adams view point. This my own opinion and does not represent the Left 4 Dead 2 Boycott Group)

    I would like to start by saying name calling doesn't get anyone anywhere.

    Adam I would like to invite you to please read the boycott's main page. The sense of entitlement that you think exists does not. Boycotts have existed for about as long as there has been a free market. Though you call them whiners (I would say many boycotts in the past have been labeled that way) boycotts and the people that support them, have a purpose in a free market. This group's boycott is no different to any other boycott except that they are against something that is perceived to not matter. I have to strongly disagree. This boycott goes to the core of what a boycott is for. You see, boycotts serve as a tool for the consumer. They let the suppliers know when a large group of consumers are displeased with that supplier's service or goods. They are a way of swaying the market in a direction so that in the end we all get better goods and services for our money.

    In this case the concern is about the service and support of an existing product more than its about a the new product. A large group of consumers (32000 + at the moment) are displeased with the apparent lack of support offered with the current left 4 dead. The group is questioning the quality and the need for a second installment of left 4 dead without the implied support of the first game being realized.

    The implied support can be traced back to an interview Gabe Newell did with VideoGamer.com on 10/09/2008.
    http://www.videogamer.com/xb ox360/left_4_dead/news/valve_d etails_post_left_4_dead_launch _plans.html
    I'll agree that what Gabe said in that interview was not necessarily specific to what would be included in Left 4 Dead but the tone of the interview seems to be one of continuous support. The current survival mode and the inclusion of vers mode into the 2 campaigns that already existed does not seem to satisfy the support that Gabe described in that interview.

    Does that mean I feel Valve should be giving away the content in Left 4 Dead 2 for free? Absolutely not, but I do feel as they have unnecessarily split the Left 4 Dead community with this game. I also feel that while this content should not be free, I think Valve should live up to standard that they themselves have set. I believe they should offer some of the addtional value that was implied in the VideoGamer.com interview. I would like see the finalized version of the SDK, and better match making and a general continuous stream of support that is at least in keeping with the spirit of the interview. By support I mean bug and engine fixes. Beyond that I think Valve is entitled to payment for any new content.

    One of the very reasons I feel that this boycott is legitimate is that the consumers are the ones that have to hold Valve to the standards it has set in the past. Many of us fill as though valve have slipped below their own standard in the support of Left 4 Dead.

    Gabe Newell has recently repledge support for Left 4 Dead but as of now most of the boycotters are disheartened with Gabe and Valve when it comes to Left 4 Dead. So most of them are going to wait and see before supporting Gabe and Valve by purchasing Left 4 Dead 2.

    Thanks for taking the time to read this

    Posted: June 18, 2009 10:48 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    Yes, i'm w8 the torrent version, i'll play it.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 10:44 AM
  • GunLob

    adam sessler is the man

    Posted: June 18, 2009 10:12 AM
  • Kaldor

    I made an account here Just to post this...

    Thank you!

    Nothing irritates me more then the frigging crybabies that think the world owes them something...

    Welcome to the real world kiddies...
    There is nobody in the gaming world that owes you anything...

    Posted: June 18, 2009 9:58 AM
  • JimMD102

    I have a lot to bitch about, but I have to get it out there.

    When I heard about this in E3. My brain exploded, but in a happy way. Then it exploded in a bad way a couple days ago when I heard about this. I understand that people are naturally cheap and that they feel like they were promised free content, but I think that VALVe is in the right. For one, I have dial-up that isn't at all compatible with live so I can't get DLC. Secondly, VALVe puts a lot of hard work into their games and they are simply asking for some compensation for their hard work because they need something to live off of. Just pay for the 60, 50 dollars. Just because they want money for putting in the time for more game, doesn't mean that they're greedy like some people out there.

    I'm also bugged by the people who said that VALVe was lame for making so little of a game with Left4Dead. I know people will always dislike a game, but VALVe puts a lot into the game to make it replayable so that you could get 50+ hours from playing the same campaigns. The Al Director engine was supposed to give a unique experience every time. That's what they spent a lot of work on.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 8:31 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    Plz stop to boycott this game, i'll download it via TORRENT (and save 50 dollar).

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:37 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    I'm anti-bob-oycot, plz Valve relase this game, i'll download it via TORRENT.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:06 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    Plz Valve fast, i'll download via torrent.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:03 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    When will be torrent game ?

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:03 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    I love this torrent game...

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:02 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    I like this torrent game

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:01 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    I like this torrent game .

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:01 AM
  • R_for_Revenge

    w8 for download via TORRENT, fast Valve relase this game !!!!

    Posted: June 18, 2009 7:00 AM
  • mistersamsa

    I agree with revjtanton

    L4D2 isn't the issue. The 1st problem was the gaming community's gut reaction, "This doesn't look all that different, it must not be. Where's the DLC we were promised?"

    Coverage from and since E3 seems to show the game does merit being a full blown sequel, so that's fine with me, BUT, I would like to see more DLC for L4D1.

    Compared to other games it is rather small and I did buy into it partly for the promised DLC.

    Posted: June 18, 2009 12:38 AM