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Valve's upcoming MOBA, Dota 2, will be free to play "with a twist," according to Gabe Newell, the supreme ruler of Valve. During a podcast called Seven Day Cooldown, Gabe Newell commented on the future of Dota 2, specifically, its pricing.
"It's going to be free-to-play - it'll have some twists, but that's the easiest way for people to think about it," Newell said.
"The issue that we're struggling with quite a bit is something I've kind of talked about before, which is how do you properly value people's contributions to a community?
"We're trying to figure out ways so that people who are more valuable to everybody else [are] recognized and accommodated. We all know people where if they're playing we want to play, and there are other people where if they're playing we would [rather] be on the other side of the planet.
"It's just a question of coming up with mechanisms that recognize and reward people who are doing things that are valuable to other groups of people."
G4's certified Dota 2 expert, Leah Jackson, is out of the office on special assignment, so I'm forced to analyze Gabe's meaning on my own. Here goes: It sounds like players who offer more value to the community will get special treatment, perhaps free game time. If you contribute, and are active in the community, your value will increase, thus ushering in rewards.
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In a past interview, Newell mentioned he believed "jerks" should have to pay more than a nice person.
"So, in practice, a really likable person in our community should get DOTA 2 for free, because of past behaviour in Team Fortress 2. Now, a real jerk that annoys everyone, they can still play, but a game is full price and they have to pay an extra hundred dollars if they want voice."
Does this mean your user rating will determine the price you pay? How do you interpret Gabe's statement?
Source: Eurogamer
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What Valve is doing or will do if they implement this system is inherently steepen the learning curve for a game with already one of the steepest. They are launching a soft assault to alienate the casual gamers of the genre by allowing try-hards and no-lifes to ultimately control the community, as someone pointed out earlier with the clear example of MVP rating boosting of obviously bad players. Anyone else notice in all the current iterations of DOTA the sore losers that usually the quickest to complain and report people know the least about the characters and game play over all, while the more experienced community members usually don't say anything good or bad but simply move to the next game. Sorry, but this idea has fail written all over it.
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Raphael2885
absolutely horrendous idea.
The majority of people that actually bother to use the rating system are the most annoying people themselves, down rating anyone who's trying to learn to play or down rating everyone simply because their team didn't win. This game is quickly sounding like a flop and I'll stick to LoL for sure. you want to weed out the jerks make the game more difficult so less children under 20 play. Thats where the real problem of the gaming community is. but of course valve isnt serious about making a better community because actually doing something about this problem would alienate the majority of purchases of their products. So they attempt to make a half ass attempt such as this will ultimately only hurt and select for a more hostile community.
Valve's time as a developer is coming faster and faster to a close.
Raphael2885
absolutely horrendous idea.
The majority of people that actually bother to use the rating system are the most annoying people themselves, down rating anyone who's trying to learn to play or down rating everyone simply because their team didn't win. This game is quickly sounding like a flop and I'll stick to LoL for sure. you want to weed out the jerks make the game more difficult so less children under 20 play. Thats where the real problem of the gaming community is. but of course valve isnt serious about making a better community because actually doing something about this problem would alienate the majority of purchases of their products. So they attempt to make a half ass attempt such as this will ultimately only hurt and select for a more hostile community.
Valve's time as a developer is coming faster and faster to a close.
Raphael2885
absolutely horrendous idea.
The majority of people that actually bother to use the rating system are the most annoying people themselves, down rating anyone who's trying to learn to play or down rating everyone simply because their team didn't win. This game is quickly sounding like a flop and I'll stick to LoL for sure. you want to weed out the jerks make the game more difficult so less children under 20 play. Thats where the real problem of the gaming community is. but of course valve isnt serious about making a better community because actually doing something about this problem would alienate the majority of purchases of their products. So they attempt to make a half ass attempt such as this will ultimately only hurt and select for a more hostile community.
Valve's time as a developer is coming faster and faster to a close.
Raphael2885
absolutely horrendous idea.
The majority of people that actually bother to use the rating system are the most annoying people themselves, down rating anyone who's trying to learn to play or down rating everyone simply because their team didn't win. This game is quickly sounding like a flop and I'll stick to LoL for sure. you want to weed out the jerks make the game more difficult so less children under 20 play. Thats where the real problem of the gaming community is. but of course valve isnt serious about making a better community because actually doing something about this problem would alienate the majority of purchases of their products. So they attempt to make a half ass attempt such as this will ultimately only hurt and select for a more hostile community.
Valve's time as a developer is coming faster and faster to a close.
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This is a horrible concept. Take somebody new to the MOBA world, and they're playing their first game of Dota 2. Say they did horrible, and fed the enemy team (not purposely). Will they be "punished" in this case because of them being completely new to the game? As for valuing people's contributions to the Valve community, it should be a large contribution as it is to play one of your games and enjoy them. Asking anything more is greed. Just do what all Free2Play setups do: Release for free, have micro-transactions. Don't change something that isn't broken.
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rmartori
Or another good example the guy that wrote an email to LoL mods trying to get me in trouble because I was sucking in a high EOL(or whatever that chess epeen measuring is called)
strangeboi63
From what I know this sounds pretty good. Valve uses very advanced SQL algorithms to track player events. I thinks this is more likely than the WoW style system that was mentioned. If you have ever looked there is no "rate this player" system on Steam, but all players have a Steam rating. This and the fact that Valve has no less than 5 high caliber psychology/human factors PhD's in house adds even more to this hypothesis.
Just say'n!
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