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Brutal Legend Designer Tim Schafer Pitches A Comedy Genre For Games

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Posted March 16, 2010 - By pklepek



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All of the games Tim Schafer has worked on can be categorized as games in an established genre, laced with comedic elements. Brutal Legend is an action-adventure with a hilarious storyline and characters. Psychonauts is a platformer that makes you (if you're sane, anyway) laugh out loud. Could a comedy genre exist in video games, a genre whose sole intent was to make you laugh? Schafer pitched this idea during a panel discussing humor in video games at GDC last week.

"I think it's useful to have genres," he said. "Sometimes you feel like watching a comedy movie -- you know in some ways it's going to be funny. Sometimes I cynically think that the games business is like any other business and it's very imitative and if there was just a huge, blockbuster game that was known as a comedy, then there'd all of a sudden there's be tons and tons of them."

The problem, he pointed out, was that because there's no benchmark for the industry to look towards, no publisher can justify spending a massive budget on a genre that hasn't been established.

"No one sits down at a meeting," he said, with the sarcasm we've come to expect from Schafer, "saying 'how can we mitigate risk on this new title we're spending millions of dollars on?' and [then says] 'a new comedy game, because those are always huge!'"

No one else on the panel agreed with Schafer's hopes for a comedy genre. Both Overlord writer Rhianna Pratchett and Telltale Games writer Sean Vanaman viewed comedy as a writer's tool.

"I don't think comedy games is a genre or should be a genre," said Pratchett. "I think comedy is just a very broad tool in writing."

Schafer countered by arguing games are missing out on an audience who might like to pick up a game just to laugh, rather than the current structure, which is a game with the added color of humor.

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  • nel e nel

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    Posted: March 17, 2010 10:19 AM | Reply | Report
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  • orangecrow

    oh c'mon, there has been several attempts at Comedy in games, Gex, Matt Hazzard (though they might of failed).

    Posted: March 17, 2010 8:47 AM | Reply | Report
    orangecrow
  • Symicide

    No, I say no no no no no no and no.I already have to put up with Gow trailers on tv ALL THE TIME and seeing the xbox outro on FINAL FANTASY. I and SOOOO many other should not and will not have to be tortured by a new line of schitty games that go NOWHERE. Uncharted 2 and No More Heros is about as comedy as it should get, cause at least their comedy is funny.

    Posted: March 17, 2010 8:44 AM | Reply | Report
    Symicide
  • Symicide

    No, I say no no no no no no and no.I already have to put up with Gow trailers on tv ALL THE TIME and seeing the xbox outro on FINAL FANTASY. I and SOOOO many other should not and will not have to be tortured by a new line of schitty games that go NOWHERE. Uncharted 2 and No More Heros is about as comedy as it should get, cause at least their comedy is funny.

    Posted: March 17, 2010 8:44 AM | Reply | Report
    Symicide
  • KevinJames23

    The reason there aren't many comedy games is because comedy isn't something you "play." You can "play" action, you can "play" adventure.. you can't really "play" funny, though you can experience it between moments of adventure or action.

    Though I agree in principle. Games are a creative medium and should exist for artists to explore new innovative ways of telling stories, and believe it or not the thousands of years old concept of comedy is fairly unknown to the games market. That's not to say "comedy games" don't exist. I remember playing a game for N64 called Silicon Valley, which was basically a comedy adventure game, and it was a blast.

    Posted: March 17, 2010 7:24 AM | Reply | Report
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  • Infinius

    I will play anything Tim Schafer makes. The thing about them is I know they are going to be comedy, because HE made them. Just like I know the story will be great. Mr. Schafer you won me back at LucasArts. Just keep doing what you do, and I will always be with you.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 11:16 PM | Reply | Report
    Infinius
  • unfungames ShowHide(1 Reply)

    One thing is certain....it's funny how bad Brutal Legend was.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 7:56 PM | Reply | Report
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  • cwhas2godhands

    FYI, this week Brutal Legend cost $20 at bestbuy, walmart, and gamestop.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 5:14 PM | Reply | Report
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  • Jimi0088

    Great Idea if its done right. Brutal Legend was a GREAT funny game. Not so much comedy but very funny. I would be very interested in a Andrew Dice Clay Fighters game.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 4:54 PM | Reply | Report
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  • Wozman23

    As a comedy lover, I always appreciate when a game can make me laugh. I bought Brutal Legend not only because I like Schafer and rock, but because the cast included Jack Black, Brian Posehn and David Cross. So I'd love to see more games take a comedic role.

    But they aren't all that easy to make. Comedy is hard to perfect. Games like Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, and Ghostbusters all managed to do an excellent job. Matt Hazard... not so much. And just imagine how bad the movie tie-in for Couple's Retreat would have been.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 4:51 PM | Reply | Report
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  • IcemanMX

    Comedy is very hard to accomplish in gaming, in my opinion. Video games are not like an Apatow movie where the jokes are varied and relentless. Most jokes in games don't seem to be all that memorable because the game is so long, you would need hundreds of jokes in order to keep forgetting one or two funny moments in the game. There is nothing more grating to your nerves than repetitive jokes in a game. Also, people are focused more on the gameplay than the actual script/story most of the time (where a lot of the original jokes are located).

    That said, Portal was the funniest game I've ever played. The game was short, so the humorous sarcasm could be found easily throughout. The same can be said for Sam & Max.

    -M

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:54 PM | Reply | Report
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  • Ian528

    Tim is far from right here. Games do have genres already. Unlike movies that are based upon the emotional response they are trying to illicit, game genres are based on play styles. Hack-n-Slash, puzzle solving, real time strategy, role playing game, and many more are the genres we have in games today. Games do and will continue to have successful titles that are combinations of these different genres. The problem Tim is having is that his games rely heavily on humor and are hard to classify traditionally. With Brutal Legend in particular it was initially branded one way but as the game was out for longer and longer people openly discussed how much it was a RTS. Tim did not want the RTS label even though there is nothing intrinsically wrong with being an RTS. I think this is more about the fact his games are always humorous if not always successful. He has created two games I love to death and one game I felt bad for purchasing and quickly gifted to someone. (The aforementioned Brutal Legend)

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Reply | Report
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  • fatman2008

    The comedy genre does exist...it may not be official but it does.

    Comedy is the only reason I will be buying Naughty Bear.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:46 PM | Reply | Report
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  • Korzo

    I think Schafer is right, I didn't keep playing Brutal Legend because I thought it's gameplay was over the top amazing or because its story was long and detailed, it was because of all the comedy that surrounded the game. I've walked away from both Psychonauts and Brutal Legend quoting it with friends like you would with most comedy movies, I can't say I've done that with other games. I remember when a friend of mine quoted something from Gears of War and I looked at them in confusion, not because the joke was bad but because I was confused where it came from, and I love Gears. When other games that aren't comedic try to add some sort of comic relief it doesn't really stick with the audience because its not what they're there for.

    I'm not sure if Pratchett even knows what she wrote, from what I gathered from playing Overlord it was suppose to be a comedy game. I'm confused how comedy game creators don't think comedy games should be a genre or make a rise in the gaming industry. Telltale makes both Sam and Max and the new Monkey Island games, two episodic COMEDY games. Comedy games are already a genre they just haven't become as popular as some would hope.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:35 PM | Reply | Report
    Korzo
  • Phuk5tar

    Uh...there wasn't supposed to be a "?" at the end of the last sentence...sorry fellow grammar Nazi's!

    @g4tv.com

    Please fix the comment replies!

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:26 PM | Reply | Report
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  • Colesl4w

    I loved Brutal Legend, and Psychonauts, but I honestly don't think a comedy genre of video games is somthing that is necessary. If we have movies like "Meet the Spartans", imagine the kind of games that will come out.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:25 PM | Reply | Report
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  • Phuk5tar

    @flashyandy

    Can you really blame him? If Schafer isn't interested in getting his games in a better market, who is? Somebody's gotta do it and it may as well be the godfather of video game comedy/satire.

    You said it yourself; you LIKE his games. He's just trying to make it easier for you to acquire and enjoy them.

    Name one programmer/designer who would not be self-serving when it comes to marketing their blood, sweat, and tears?

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:24 PM | Reply | Report
    Phuk5tar
  • jellokatamari

    I see Comedy beeing added as a sub-genre, like comedy shooter or comedy adventure. I think it works quite well. I think games like Serious Sam and Rayman Raving Rabbids were about that, picking up a game and laugh during the whole thing (at least for me it was).

    I find it sad thoug that no one else ont he panel agreed with his view, including Telltale Games.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:21 PM | Reply | Report
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  • flashyandy

    this sounds like Tim Schafer asking for a genre to be created so HIS games stop getting jerked around. I don't see much to this argument from him that isn't blatantly self-serving. And I LIKE his games.

    Posted: March 16, 2010 3:12 PM | Reply | Report
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