Did you guys watch the season premeire of Lost last night? We all did here at G4, and below you'll find some snap reactions to the show. For more in-depth analysis,TheFeed's guide to Lost will be published every Tuesday morning to get you all pumped for the show that night.
Andrew Pfister, Personal Assistant to Jacob: Oh, where to begin. Let’s keep it simple until next week’s pre-episode banter. Here are my big takeaways from last night:
1) The Island’s underwater: It’s not due to the bomb, because New Otherton was shown, which means it got built on dry land after the 1977 “Incident.” The sinking must have happened after that, and my theory is that it has something to do with the volcano mentioned in season 3’s Ben episode “The Man Behind The Curtain.”
2) Smokey! Good call from reader blindsideofthesun in Monday’s question post, who noted that it should have been obvious that “The Man in Black” was the smoke monster. I don’t know if they’ll explain exactly *how* the monster works, but hopefully we’ll get an MIB origin story. It also proved my assumption correct from way back in Season 3 when we first saw the cabin – the ashes keep Smokey at bay…just as long as he doesn’t knock you out of the ring and impale you on a post.
3) Richard, aka “Ricardus,” was at one point in chains. Which pretty much means he originally came to the Island on the Black Rock.
4) Like Smokey, the Island’s healing power was revealed (but also not fully explained). The significance of the Temple’s pool water turning brown most likely is a result of Jacob’s death, but how does that affect Sayid’s resurrection? (If that really is Sayid now…)
5) Juliet is dead dead, because she got the tender “Death Theme From LOST” piano ballad. But there are now two realities, so who knows what happened to Juliet in the “No Crash” branch? Miles hearing her ghost-say that “it worked” probably means she’s alive and well back in America and never ended up going to the Island in the first place (otherwise, she’d be under water).
6) Dharma Shark!
Jake Gaskill, Survivor: “Dead characters” resurrected through the spirits that inhabit the island, the smoke monster, Sawyer being all "I'm going to kill you...oh, OK. I'll just sit over here and be all broody," and more questions being raised than answered: It’s nice to see the folks at Lost are really mixing things up for the final season!
While I know the show’s most important questions won’t be answered until the last five minutes of the final episode, I’m still looking forward to the journey to get there. The first season will always be my favorite, but I am digging where the story is at right now, and I can’t wait to see where it goes from here.
Lost has been the ultimate example of why questions are always more interesting than answers. I mean, speculating about the identity of the Wizard of Oz is infinitely more compelling than finding out that it’s just some eccentric rich dude hiding behind a curtain. Then again, finding out something like Kevin Spacey is Keiser Sose can be pretty rad too. That’s because it all comes down to what the answer is, and I’m really hoping Lost comes to a close in a way that’s just as thought provoking and gripping as the way it started. Not to set the bar too high or anything.
What happened to the other mini-Vodka bottle?! Lost is so craaaaazy!!!
Stephen Johnson, Other: I watched last night’s episode from the perspective of a former fan who gave up after season four of Lost, and I found it utterly incomprehensible. All the Losties here at G4 have been yelling at me all morning because they feel my opinion is worthless, as I have not seen the fifth season of the show. But I still watched last night’s program, and here’s what I thought: Watching Lost without knowing what happened last season was like suffering through a root canal without anesthetics – all the CGI, and “meaningful” slow-motion reaction shots were just terrible without context, and why should anyone care if people die when their characters always show up again? "But that's because of alternative time-lines!" they say. Blach blah blah. Who cares? Anyway, they tell me if I watched the last season of the show I’d be really impressed. Maybe so. Whatever.
I’ll shut up now, though, as it’s been made very clear to me that Lost isn’t a show for people not committed to studying every episode. Lost is serious business. Come to think of it, the reason I stopped watching Lost was because it started to feel like an assignment as opposed to entertainment, and who needs that? In the future, I will either watch season five or shut up about Lost.
Patrick Klepek, Oceanic Six: Well, the last season premiere of Lost is officially over. That actually makes me sad. We've been waiting years for answers and, like it or not, we're about to get them. Lost is the most challenging show I've ever watched, requiring the viewer to pay unusually close attention to every detail, however seemingly insignificant, and typically watch an episode multiple times to process everything (and still be confused). The season premiere was exactly what Lost fans have been looking for since the beginning and established an end game for the series. Will the fake John Locke get to meet the new (old?) alternate-reality John Locke? Did the show just imply that Richard Alpert was a slave on the Black Rock? How come the smoke monster's such a dick? Who knows if Lost will provide satisfying answers by its May finale (so far I'm hopeful), but one thing is clear: it's finally coming to an end. Happily, I'll be there every step of the way.
Sterling McGarvey, Tailie: I have never watched an episode of Lost in my life, but I think Steve Johnson is crazy. I may not know why that dude keeps screaming “Walt” or why my former co-workers kept talking about that and The Black Smoke, but I’d never skip a season of a heavily serialized show then expect to know what’s happening when I come back. It’d be like watching two seasons of The Wire then asking why Baltimore schools are messed up and why this Marlo Stanfield character is so angry. Get thee to Instant Queue, Mr. Johnson, and stat.
Eric Eckstein, Hostile: Ugh.
What did you guys think of the show?
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christof_
Nothing can capture that sense of wonder or those OMG HOLY CRAP moments like in the Pilot when the captain got sucked out of the plane or in Season 2 when we see that there's a guy (our friendly Scot, Desmond) living... UNDERGROUND??
I'm still debating whether the finale will go for the practical or poetic approach, but I don't know if anything can satisfy the Lost fanboy in me at this point. I think the best thing the writers can do at this point (well it's obviously already written) is to at least give the appearance that the ending was planned from the beginning. If it has a rushed or thrown together feeling (I'm looking at you, Monk) then I will be devastated.
Shienberg
Nothing is irreversable
MADPLAYA
I loved the premiere. Man in Black said that he wanted to get off the island. Why can't he get off it if Jacob can?
TheSiwentKiwwah
@blindsideofthesun
Jack and Des met when Jack was running up the stadium and Des fixed his knee. And I don't think it's actually a full alternate reality. When Oceanic crashed, Jack's hair was shaved. When it showed him on the jet this past episode, his hair was the same length and cut it was when the bomb blew up (or whatever happened). I think it was the present for the survivors (2009). For some reason, they were back in 2004 with no recollection of the past/future 5 years.
blindsideofthesun
@ river_ron
The whole Desmond being on the flight thing, though not fully explained for WHY he's on there (meaning what's the purpose), I believe it's just another way of showing how people's lives are different in a world without the Island. In Desmond's case, this means he never wrecked on the Island during his trek across the world in a boat, so he must have finished it, and is now free to move about and live his life, and for some as-yet-unknown reason, fly on Oceanic 815.
Oh, also gives us a hint that there is some connection between the alternate realities, as Jack kinda sorta recognized Desmond, even though they never met in that reality...
river_tron
I watched it and loved. My wife and I pulled a month long marathon to get caught up before this season. It was as exhilarating as it was exhausting, but it was well worth the effort. By the way, maybe I missed something, but what was up with Desmond being on that flight that didn't crash with Jack and then disappearing?
So strange...yet fascinating.
TheSiwentKiwwah
@SJ-- I'm gonna argue against your third point. I don't think Richard was on Black Rock. I think he was a slave on the island already when it showed Black Rock coming to the island with MIB and Jacob watching. The Egyptians used slaves to build pyramids, and monuments. I think Jacob was somehow involved in the constrution of the temple, and the goddess that Jacob lives under. And I think the goddess was an Egyptian fertility goddess, protecting the island from the infertility issue. I think when it broke, that is when women began miscarrying
pupu
I just dont see how someone right next to a bomb that blows a big ol hole in the ground is not blown to pieces.
thesilentmole
Mind = blown. I've got some conjectures, but dude, whatever. I'm probably wrong anyway.
lowzone
ok I am going to put this out there... I think that all the dead people on the island who have been appearing to anyone but Hurley and Miles (the ones with gifts) have always been wearing black or white. remember when Christian appears in the cabin or to Locke or in othertown he is wearing a greyish white tunic.... I think that denotes Jacob appearing. when Mr. eko's brother appears he is dressed in black, presumably because he is a priest, but he ends up being the smoke monster. Expand this idea to all the weird things, Kate's horse was black, Christians different outfits, anna lucia appearing in the black shirt she wore when she died. Besides the gifted, the only people who have seen dead people on the island see them in black or white.
I think these appearances denote Jacob and his rival working against eachother. while one plots the other counterplots like chess, or backgammon, like Locke pointed out, one LIGHT, ONE DARK
Here's the stretch... way back early on, Locke works in a toy store where he meets his mother. He tells a young child that he and his brother used to play mousetrap.... you move around the board assembling seemingly unconnected objects until you are ready to spring the trap. I think this idea of two brothers playing a game to trap the other using seemingly unrelated pieces in an elaborate plan to win is the overarching metaphor of the show.
This is my first post as my profile will indicate and I am not a blogger or spoiler I just rewatched the seasons in anticipation of the premiere and would love to know what you guys think
blindsideofthesun
Note to self: If any of spicyfeed's ideas turn out to be true by season's end, I will jump off a cliff. This is not because I just don't think his ideas will make it. Rather, if his ideas were to come true, the show would be irreparably ruined for me, and I'd be better off splattered on the bottom of a cliff to avoid the lifelong disappointment.
blindsideofthesun
Spicyfeed gets a fail on this one, sorry bud. Dharma used a sub regardless to get to and from the island. If they got to the island under water, then how would they get on the land and carry out every day tasks? Where's the sun? The reason no one can seem to find the island is specifically because it moves around on a constant basis, as was revealed last season, so you have to be in a certain place at a very particular time to even get near it. As far as seeing it overhead, why would people in a plane sooo far up in the air give two craps about yet another generic looking Pacific Island? That ocean is full of em.
Admirable try though.
spicyfeed
One thing aparantly man in black can only go into those that are good people.Which is why Jacob wants Sayid alive as hes the opposite and can inhabit bad people ie murderer Sayid.
spicyfeed
I think its not an alternate reality the plane not crashing i think it has become the past and everyone somehow ends up back on the island to show no matter what happens they'll end up on the island yes its wacky i know. The reason the island is underwater is so those flying overhead don't see it which is why Dharma used subs
crackingcody
Yeah. I watched it and loved it since im a hard core Lost fan!!!!
blindsideofthesun
Oh, and only hole I saw in the alternate reality part where everyone landed safely:
Where the F-bomb are the tail section folks dammit? Libby? Ana Lucia? Mr. Eko? Oh, and where is Michael? I know it would be hard to explain why he's not ever in the same shot with Walt (as the actor playing him freakin quadrupled in size), but at least show him a little?
blindsideofthesun
So let's recap. Without the island being all jacked up and around to knock Oceanic 815 out of the sky, Hurley is the luckiest guy alive (as opposed to cursed), Desmond never got stuck on the island and must have finished his race around the world uninhibited, Christian is missing (I'm wondering if he really didn't get put on the plane, or if he somehow was the only one that got dragged back to the island), and I get the feeling that in the alternate reality of the Island-less world, some force is still going to somehow drag the original survivors back together to have a part in eachothers lives, and more than in just a cursory way.
At least now it's clear that Hurley really was seeing the dead people, and not just the "Man in Black" posing as the dead people. So far as the smoke monster, I still say Ben was the loophole, and can't stop thinking back to Season 5 finale when the "MIB" said something along the lines of "you have no idea how long I've been at this plan" (again, paraphrasing), and we'll see at least one episode showing everwhere the "MIB" has had his hand in play, from the appearance of Ben's dead mother in the forestline, to Christian in present day telling Locke what he'd have to do. Oh, also a big episode on just Richard Alpert and the events that brought the Black Rock to the middle of the island.
Still crossing my fingers that somehow the real Locke will be put in that pool and be brought back to life.
Last thought: Yes, the "MIB" apparently had some huge massive intricate plan that brought him to this point in time where he was able to kill Jacob (I'm guessing a big part of what was keeping him on the island against his will), but I'm banking Jacob had some larger and even more intricate plan to counteract and take down the "MIB" once in for all, and his plan will make use of every one of the "Lost All-Stars" (maybe even Ben?), given his earlier involvement in every one of their lives to bring them to the island. I'm still waiting to see a merging or at least interaction between the alternate realities.
Just remember the quote, "it only ends once, everything before that is just progress", and we'll see if Jacob can prove that people can be good, and good can win in the end.
Oh, and my only rebuttle to fact-check on the staff's part:
I do think the nuke had something to do with the island going underwater (mixed with the force of the electromagnetic "Incident" of course), as Otherton really was just Dharmaville, but taken over after Dharma was wiped out, which was there before the "Incident" in 1977. So it very much could be the nuke that sunk the island. Not sure how, but I'm waiting on a short snippet, if not a full episode which shows the immediate aftermath of the nuke/incident in 1977.
Spartan593
loved it. hardcore LOST fan right here. So many theories going through my head
mcrisalli13
i have a headache.
cwhas2godhands
in a book called "The Black Cloud", there is an alien that enters earth's atmosphere, and the description of it's physical form is similar to the smoke monster. i wonder if the lost writers have read "The Black Cloud". I think Jacob and the smoke monster are aliens. The island is a space ship.
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