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As we wait for more details on Electronic Arts' potentially controversial Medal of Honor reboot set in modern-day Afghanistan, Army of Two: The 40th Day producer Matt Turner may have just revealed where his company draws the line. Speaking to CVG, Turner told the publication that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2's "No Russian" airport sequence may have "pushed it too far."
More importantly, Turner said EA "wouldn't have done it," but that isn't because he believes developer Infinity Ward made the wrong call. It's the opposite. He supports "No Russian."
"We have to start pushing limits, making statements and seeing what kind of social and cultural relevance that we can have which hasn't really been nailed yet," he said. "I think [Infinity Ward] were pushing towards that direction and trying to make people experience something truly terrible," he said. "Whether they were successful or not I'll leave up to the players to decide, but I liked the fact that they were trying something new that people haven't done before. I think that's really gutsy and my hat's off to Infinity Ward for trying at least."
Army of Two: The 40th Day was developed at EA Montreal, not EA Los Angeles. Whether the California-based team has a different philosophy...well, we'll have to wait and see.
Source: CVG
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Shadowhawk4735
I thought of something regarding what the major events in MW2 such as this one could mean for a sequel, as well as some criticism of a major element of the undercover mission of Robert Allen in this game, which culminated in this devastating op.
First, regarding the effect on a likely continuation of the story, what if General Shepard wasn't working alone, that other Generals had joined him in orchestrating a coup attempt against the rest of the U.S. Government and that the events of this game were just a small part of the overall picture. That would explain the response of NORAD in another part of this game to the attack which resulted in [Spoiler Alert, though most people are probably already aware of this, since it was part of the trailers] the devastation of the D.C. area at a minimum. So, the next game could be the fight against the forces of those renegade Generals and their allies.
Regarding the Robert Allen story, wouldn't the C.I.A. have tried to choose someone who not only was capable in combat, but would fit better in a cover as a Russian, such as a defector, expatriate, or Russian Immigrant, as long as they could also trust that individual? They wouldn't just accept someone for the mission, even with a recommendation from a prominent General, simply based on skill. So, I find that element of this scene to be problematic, to say the least.
Shadowhawk4735
I actually agree with people who found the scene where [spoiler alert for anyone unaware of this event] you get shot down and burned alive in a pit, along with at least one other squad-mate, more unnerving, especially when you consider who the character perpetrating this act is supposed to be and that his men just go along with this. Maybe that was a commentary on the military's policy of "Obey all orders", whether they happen to be legal, moral, or even smart. I played the entire campaign through, the first time and like other people, I didn't actually feel any emotional reaction to the airport scene, either and, yeah, I did think that the guy who tried to get away via glass elevator was pretty stupid (he should have played dead until the terrorists passed and then used the elevator.) At least you (as the player) didn't have to carry out the massacre using a sniper rifle with a high magnification scope, so there were hardly any chances to get a close up view of victims' faces as you killed them.
catkidtj
look u kill innocent people all the time in gta. and thats what u do the just kill poeple heck in gta iv you rob a bank its no different so quit whining.
CLUNGEHUNTERPJ
IMO it didn't work for me. the script was poor, so i never felt any kind of emotions towards that game. perhaps it's because i'm used to rpgs like mass effect where you develop actual emotions towards your characters. MW2, while still a good game, was so full of horrible plot holes and stupid story twists that (hats off to IW anyway for having the balls to make the scene) it was a missed opportunity to bring the modern adult-ness of games into the spotlight. please don't thumb me down for no reason, comment instead and use proper arguments.
Gamer_1986
First, you can't compare Grand theft auto to COD:MW2, it's like comparing apples to oranges. GTA may have the ability to kill "innocent" civilians, but you're not playing as a terrorist. You're doing it in the heat of battle, or out of sheer boredom. If the latter is the case, you probably need to get out more. GTA allows you to harm civilians, but that's more for shock value, the scene in COD:MW2 depicts the mass murder of innocent civilians at an airport. There's a huge difference. Going on that logic, Kratos is a mass murderer. Liberty city is not real, an airport is. GTA is about criminals. MW2 is a realistic story. In other games where you have to kill the digital enemy has guns and is trying to kill you.
It also doesn't help that the scene can be skipped and there is no explanation given afterward. I am a hardcore gamer, and I skipped the level. There's something unearving about mowing down unarmed people.
The biggest issue may be the callous attitude people are taking. I played Modern Warfare 2 myself, and thought it was a fine game. It's call of duty for crying out loud. I have a problem when people get on a forum and actually try to stick up for controversial elements in games. It reminds me of a person posting a video of a snake eating a bunny and then just claiming that it's something that happens in nature.
Yeah it does, but that doesn't mean you have to take a video camera and post it online for the whole world. It's the same here. I don't agree with some of the comments on this board. I don't think that pushing the envelope means that you have to have a controversial act. Uncharted 2 pushes the envelope without causing controversy, so I would go so far as to say that controversy doesn't mean ensure game play as an art form.
Gamer_1986
First, you can't compare Grand theft auto to COD:MW2, it's like comparing apples to oranges. GTA may have the ability to kill "innocent" civilians, but you're not playing as a terrorist. You're doing it in the heat of battle, or out of sheer boredom. If the latter is the case, you probably need to get out more. GTA allows you to harm civilians, but that's more for shock value, the scene in COD:MW2 depicts the mass murder of innocent civilians at an airport. There's a huge difference. Going on that logic, Kratos is a mass murderer. Liberty city is not real, an airport is. GTA is about criminals. MW2 is a realistic story. In other games where you have to kill the digital enemy has guns and is trying to kill you.
It also doesn't help that the scene can be skipped and there is no explanation given afterward. I am a hardcore gamer, and I skipped the level. There's something unearving about mowing down unarmed people.
The biggest issue may be the callous attitude people are taking. I played Modern Warfare 2 myself, and thought it was a fine game. It's call of duty for crying out loud. I have a problem when people get on a forum and actually try to stick up for controversial elements in games. It reminds me of a person posting a video of a snake eating a bunny and then just claiming that it's something that happens in nature.
Yeah it does, but that doesn't mean you have to take a video camera and post it online for the whole world. It's the same here. I don't agree with some of the comments on this board. I don't think that pushing the envelope means that you have to have a controversial act. Uncharted 2 pushes the envelope without causing controversy, so I would go so far as to say that controversy doesn't mean ensure game play as an art form.
Sarge50c
There still talking about this...?
christof_
Just play the game and form your own opinion. Simple as that. No need to mock other peoples' opinions.
goodbiscuits
While I don't agree with this scene, I'm going to take a machine gun to G4's building if I read this story one more time.
Shadowhawk4735
First of all, so many of you are calling people idiots and then typing idiotic stuff. Check out a dictionary or a grammar book once in a while! There are even some free references of this type online, both as automated websites and tools or as .PDFs. Also, some of you try to make the point of asking why is everyone in the general public so up in arms about this scene being in this game simply based on the fact that stuff like this has been done before in games. What they (the general public) sees this as is more ammunition against our favorite form of entertainment, including myself. And saying that no one should be blaming the game companies and entertainment industry for allowing content deemed offensive by many to fall into the hands of nine- and ten-year olds, maybe if the industry stopped fighting regulations that would make it illegal to provide such content to a minor, which would include parents who happen to be irresponsible in this regard sometimes, then maybe the general public would not be voicing so much outrage. I do like the game myself, but I'm a 39 year old Air Force Veteran and I still feel appreciation for the included option to skip this level as well as the ability to go through the entire level without killing anyone. As far as the comment made by another poster stating that in the second half you "don't kill people, ... only cops," since when are cops no longer people?
Razorblad110
that scene was awesome, people only have a problem because of the context...SO many other games have given you the option to do the SAME EXACT THING.....if you had a problem with it, i recommend getting that bleeding vagina of yours fixed!
ice3211235
GTAIV has been doing it for years.
The skip feature is there for a reason.
Nerdgazm
i thought this level was quite boring, however I give props in infinity ward for putting this in the game. more games need this kind of content.
DVirus008
how is it too far? this is something that video games need. this is different than grand theft auto. this is an inportant section of a narrative taken very serious. this is something that video games need to push themselves into that eye of people who dont look at games as a serious entertainment medium. why do people think this is too far? more games should take their story telling more serious not be held back becuase of the "limits of exceptance". look at some of the movies that have come out in the past 10 years that show rape and torture, but its excepted because its a "respectable medium". games need to be taken more seriously.
Matty1ce
dual wielding shotguns = absolutely no talent
AkimboTrout
The level "No Russian", is a joke. I had no emotional response to this level what-so-ever. Many people have already said it; you can kill civilians in at any time in the GTA games, or Infamous, or Saints Row.
How about the scenes where you are shot in the gut, thrown into a pit, and then set on fire(while alive)? How about when you stab a man, then look him dead in the eyes, as the life drains from his body? These scene have a way more emotional impact.
Shooting civilians in a game is so last Gen.
PimpSlappp
That level was fun. There's a difference between gaming and real life. It's not hard to distinguish. And the game put you into the shoes of a terrorist. You are killing virtual people, so who cares. It was damn fun.
Lloyd12
So, I'm confused. Is he blasting the company he works for because it lacks the cajones to do something like "No Russian", or is he blasting IW for "pushing it too far?" He seems to be contradicting himself or at least sitting on the fence, and by doing so he takes the edge off of his own argument. Which is it, dude?
ndf1004
i dont get why people are freaking out over this! in every other game theres the exact same violence, murder, murder of civilians, blood, and gore! its just in another form. in MW2 its the pure thing, but in games like gta4 or saints row or crackdown its polluted by AI telling you not to but in reality, why put the "civilians" there if they are just going to die anyways? video games are ment to take you beyond reality so you can do what you could never do in real life. i applaud what IW did and hope to see other games that are simalar to this
OneBadMofo
dude you cannot skip this level it is an important part of the game *NO SPOILERS* and you dont even kill people the whole level the 2nd half is simply killing police so this level is basically GTA
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