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Since everyone is talking about or playing or buying extra copies of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 right now, Adam couldn't let this week's Soapbox go by without talking about the controversial "Airport Scene" we've all been hearing so much about.
While this video is fairly light on spoilers, if you haven't finished the single-player campaign in the game, you might want to wait before you hear what the Sess has to say on the subject. That being said, how did playing through that scene make you feel? Or did you skip the level, expecting it to be gratuitous and offensive? Let us know what you think, but again, please keep the discussion intelligent and civil.
Update: Adam did not go on Fox and Friends. It was his decision, and it was due to scheduling.
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sporkassassin
I agree entirely adam and couldn't have said it better myself. Art is art appreciate it or not its your choice and either way it cant truly hurt anyone.
CreeperNate
Your right on the money like usual Sess. Completely agree
thatWhichIsUngrndble
So what's in store for CoDMW2 DLC, maybe a level where you take part in a prison gang rape? In pursuit of 'the art form' Infinity Ward could really push the boundaries and take CoD back to its WWII days with "CoD 7 Auschwitz". Here's my take, developers push the boundaries for two reasons, to sell games, and to make a name for themselves. Not that the writers of 24 are any more noble.
I question the logic that finds value in atrocity (even virtual atrocity) justifying it as a vehicle of social commentary yet condemns others for the use of a hate word as a vehicle of social commentary. There is an implication that the game forces you to make a moral choice. The only choice I see is either one of slaughtering innocent people or one of doing nothing to prevent it from happening.
"Morality, like art, means drawing a line someplace." Oscar Wilde
I actually did find one compelling argument in support of Adam's views on this:
"How f-in dare anyone out there make fun of MW2 after all she has been through.!
She lost her aunt, she went through a divorce. She had two f-in kids.
Her husband turned out to be a user, a cheater, and now she's going through a custody battle. All you people care about is .. readers and making money off of her.
SHE S A HUMAN! (ah! ooh!) What you don t realize is that MW2 is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about her.
She hasn t performed on stage in years. Her song is called give me more for a reason because all you people want is MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE!.
LEAVE HER ALONE! You are lucky she even performed for you B*STARDS!
LEAVE MW2 ALONE! ..Please.
Leave CoD Alone Please . !
Leave CoD MW2 alone! right now! .I mean it.!
Anyone that has a problem with her you deal with me, because she is not well right now.
LEAVE HER ALONE!"
fsuwackofan
Not gonna lie Sessler. I was a little upset that scheduling couldn't permit you to be on Fox and Friends. I wanted to see a debate that rivaled "Sessler v Thompson" the throwback fracas on AOTS' "The Loop".
1111101111011010101
never watch fox and freinds, just the factor but if the sess is in the equation ill watch.
thekingoffire
I have play RPG like kotor, mass effect and all those game that allow you to me a moral chose. I have all ways gone good but there is that sense of what else can I do. I have never played cod modern warfare 2 yet but I would probable not kill any civilians first time through for a well then maybe do it once.
eamercenary
I completely agree the airport scene is the most important moment in the MW 2 storyline and at first I actually had to explain to my friend who I played it with (spoiler) thatyou weren't an actual terrorist you where an american undercover and at the end when you where killed the true terrorist was putting the blame on the americans to start a war between Russia and the US. Plus good luck on FOX and "friends" Sess god knows they won't truly be listening to you
WantHL2e3
I think they'll give up eventually. This happened with movies and before that books. It's pointless listening to Fox if they don't even look at the game.
SDwiz
He really makes a good argument in this case.Their was violence before video games came along and so on into the future.I read comments over the last few weeks seeing and hearing people talk about the "NO RUSSIAN" mission.Some people have the nerve to call Modern Warfare 2 no good just because that mission is in the game,to me that's not fair.If a video game promotes violence prepare to be shocked.I'm not saying it's right to kill innocent people,but this is a violent world we live in where anything is possible.Like for instance your walking down the street just minding your own business suddenly a person with a gun shows up demanding money or whatever you give them the cash and they shoot you.You didn't see it coming,the fact of the matter is you were an innocent person and had no idea what was coming next.
Marou700
I was really horrified at first by that lvl, but not offended. It was clear to me that they put it there to serve narrative purpose and not just for shock value. Even with the warning, I was still caught by surprise because I thought it was just put there for good PR and that there was nothing exeptional in the game. So the warning could've been a little more explicit. With that aside, I totally agree with you, Any piece of art is meant to entice feelings and reactions. For example, one of my favorite books A BRAVE NEW WOLRD offended some of my frineds because of some of the ideas it put forth (Masive orgies, juvenile erotic gamesand other things). But I liked it alot because it really shatered my perspective on so many subjects. It made me ponder every bit of knowledge we take for granted like religion, science, our moals and values. So yeah... Every piece of art, and specially narrative ones, shouldn't be judged moraly.
Excuse my grammar and spelling mistakes...
English isn't my main language.
jasonaught
Personally, I was blind sided by the inclusion of a level that put the player in the position of a terrorist, or undercover agent posing as a front line terrorist. Because the level happened so early on in the game, it took me by complete surprise. While I can understand peoples' reaction to its inclusion, I don't think that Infinity Ward or the people at Activision have done wrong by anyone. What separates this game design from a straight-up murder simulator is that the game gave you a choice as to your level of participation with the rampage at the airport. Adam had mentioned that at first he didn't know whether or not he was supposed to kill anyone or if he would be reprimanded afterward by the game in the form of some sort of in game morality/karma system. Similarly, I understood perfectly what was happening but chose to fire above peoples heads, to sell the experience to my 'fellow' terrorists (for some reason) without actually killing anyone in game. My point is that there was nothing directly built into the game that made you simulate taking an innocent life. If people are offended by this segment of an otherwise fantastic game perhaps what they are really offended by is how they or they children chose to act in this simulated situation.
Kudos to Infinity Ward for resisting the urge to offer achievements for killing innocent bystanders.
doodle_billy
im always late commenting. anyways for clarity last weeks comments bottom line is dont victimize people they do that on there own, not just gays everyone. do not support that mentality of the world owes me something cause i am special, it influences a hostel atmosphere.... next video games right. i like the risks that iw is taking, the gaming industry gets to have more of it. the big thing to me is that iw plays it really safe as far as core game play machanics, and i feel they hide this with silly distractions and cloaks like perks accrolades and kill streaks. when i take those away and really look at the game there is nothing there to keep me interested and that is where i think the game falls short. behind all the bells and whisles there is the original medal of honor. its like having an old pick up and pimping it out with new tires, paint and leather seats under the hood its the same truck. my point there is only so much they can add to medal of honor before the engine gives out.... thanks for reading
noporcru623
i killed some people i just knew were gonna get shot anyway like that guy helping the other guy across the middle of the room, i knew he'd die so i shot him instead so at least he doesnt have to die by a terrorist. and then i killed all the injured so there was no more pain
noporcru623
it was a very emotional level but was definitely needed in the game and it did its job well, and you know what i did shoo everyone after about 5 seconds of shock cause i figured hey gotta be realistic right, i mean if your under cover and the leader tells you to shoot and everyone else is shootin, your gonna shoot to or else hell figure you out so i played with that in mind
Basilisk1991
To be honest, the only reason this scene generates controversy is because of the fact YOU play the "Crazed Gunman", if you played as one of the victims, they'd be fine with it, look this game suffers from what people who hate games call "False Reality", they believe the moment YOU as a player kill someone in-game, you'll walk to the nearest gun cabinet and massacre an orphanage for the blind and deaf (Fox LOATHES videogames, they probably replaced you with Jack Thompson)
killtherebel
While I'm not offended by the level, I do think that Infinity Ward failed to achieve what they intended. Many people are saying that it gets you emotionally tied to the game. I didn't feel that at all. As with most of MW2, everything is just thrown at you. You never can identify with any of the characters you play. You never feel their disdain or their fear. There is no build up to the atrocities that soon take place. All you get is a loading screen that briefly tells you what is happening but you aren't experiencing any of it.
I know this isn't an RPG where choices have consequences and I don't think there should be an option to betray your orders but I do think there should have been at least one level of story progression prior to the airport scene.
spence921
@ DEMOS_Lok
I was thinking the exact same thing. In games we can kill, murder, do drugs, abuse women, and say anything foul under the sun. O wait, as long as it doesnt offend that one small group? Are you kidding me? You can kill muslims, kill civilians, kill blacks, and kill whites, etc. Adam Sessler, if you are okay with the airport level, then you need to be ok with the video using the word F*. As you said, a book cannot be immoral it can only well or poorly written. You imposed the same idea to video games. Well then you need to impose that to videos, commercials, etc. You said you enjoyed the video until that point. So it cannot be immoral. I dont see you saying this when a game says the N* word.
Demos_Lok
I am sure we are all tired of hearing about this, but one last thing. Why is it not okay to use words that may be insulting to homosexuals, though that is not what actually happened, and it is okay to use a derogatory term for females? Towards the end of Sesslers' post he uses the word that cannot even be written on this site with symbols. I'll give you a hint: it has five letters and starts with P. Do you think that it is okay to denigrate women by using these types of words? What about C(4letters), B(5letters) and H*'s? What does your wife think about this McSessler?
360guru
Besides, I'm pretty sure that deep,deep,deep down in our hearts, we all want to feel what it's like to be a terrorist, right?
360guru
Infinity Ward made a very bold and risky move, but I think it ultimately paid off. "No Russian" level perhaps the most memorable level in MW2 and second overall in COD4 history (the first being MW1's "All Grilled Up").
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