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The response to Infinity Ward's decision to remove support for player-run dedicated servers from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and embrace console-style matchmaking has been near-universally negative from hardcore PC users. Activision has allowed Infinity Ward to respond directly to players since the news broke, but on an Activision quarterly results call, an analyst asked the publisher if the reaction would have a notable impact on the sales of the PC version of Modern Warfare 2.
In short: Activision's not worried.
"We're of course watching this very carefully and paying attention it it, but we're not overly concerned about it," said Activision Publishing head Michael Griffith. "One of the problems of our PC [versions] on this title in the past is that it has not been as friendly a consumer experience in terms of matchmaking and online play as the consoles have allowed it to be. Our solution here improves that consumer experience overall by a significant margin, so we we think the benefits that we will see are gonna far outweigh any negatives that seem to be surfacing."
Of course, we won't know the real-world impact until Modern Warfare 2 goes on sale next week, where gamers will be forced to put their money where their mouth is. Just a few days now...
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BoydofZINJ
PC users get the SHAFT in Modern Warfare 2. Sure you heard about it. Sure, most games are all about the XBOX and the PS3. Sure in MW2 most of the sales will be the infamous XBOX and PS3 and the PC sales are a nonfactor to most companies. However, there is a thriving community and set of PC dedicated users and gamers out there. As I type this out, I realize I am doing it on... a PC! You might even be reading this on a... a PC!
WE PC-Gamers do live.
I will never claim to be best FPS gamer out there. In most of my MW1 experience, I was normally on the bottom half of the totem pole in kills versus death ratios. I rarely got the airstrike perk, for instance. I will also admit there are cheaters and botters out there!
Few will argue that we do not need to get rid of the bots and cheat programs! So, why are we PC gamers up in arms? Is this whole arguement about control or the ability to have control?
On the surface it does look like us PC users are arguing for the sake of argument or for the ability to control stuff that other people deem a nonfactor. However, it is more than that! This is about demoralizing an existing time proven PC ability and turning it into a XBOX or PS3 version. If we wanted a XBOX or PS3 version of MW2, why do you think we do not simply BUY a PS3 or XBOX version of MW2?
First, there is a whole communiy out there who loves to MOD and create new features to existing games. Want to extend the life of a game? Easy, make it possible for the users to create nifty upgrades and mods. Of course, there is the danger of cheaters and bot programs - because of this.
Second, the official website points out about that THEY will be doing an AUTO MATCH MAKING feature.
W T F
I am not the world's quickest draw, gunfighter, nor can I use the mouse to down 5 enemies with 5 bullets in 1.5 seconds. However, I want to play against people who are better than myself. Believe it or not, I like to be beaten and whipped and want to have the ability to see and view other people who are better than me. I love to know how someone got a +10 kill streak on a one life per match server. It helps me improve my game. It lets me try to get the edge on people. It lets me improve. There is nothing wrong in auto-matching, if I want it. However, I will want it mostly off! How will I know what to do to better myself if I am with the same crappy low skilled players - all the time?
Third, I dont want any RAMBO SERVER and I want a mature server. I want a server that enforces you to play like a trained soldier and will reward players who do so. Versus a server that does not care and only reward people who can get the most kills no matter how unrealistic the events were. I am a nerd. MOST OF US ARE NERDS. Then there are people who think shouting out the latest 4 letter verbage is natural. If I wanted to talk about that or about "your mom" then I would join the XBOX live games. I want the ability to play with other like minded individuals who are wanting to increase the maturity of the game and raise the bar in skills and communication skills.
What are my ideal type of servers?
Hardcore type servers. Servers that force us to think and behave more like a trained soldier rather than a Rambo type person. I want a Server where I only get ONE LIFE per MATCH. If a match lasts 10 minutes and I die within 15 seconds - I do not want to respawn and be a RAMBO style player and rush to another death. I want to be ashamed of my death and watch other people play as I wish I played better. I want to be pushed to my limits and get penalized when I either get unlucky or foolish. I want to be able to win a game - because a random set of people come up with a solid good strategy and win versus closing your eyes and tossing a nade at the spawn point. i also want a server that will make you feel good about winning. When my side wins and I live - it feels like I really accomplished something.
Will we have these types of servers?
I also want the ability to find like minded people and enjoy the game with my online frends. Would you believe I have met people online who I value my friendship over some real life friends? Just recently, a woman I have met online in a game came over on my birthday (yes women do play) and we had a blast meeting each other in real life! She even got her first tattoo on my birthday to celebrate the event. I was just lucky enough to be holding her hand for hours on end and chatting as she got inked.
Will we have these types of servers?
No I do not want online dating. I am looking for a core group of people who I like to get to know and befriend. Some people call them clans and other call them guilds. WHO CARES. I want to be able to join a server and know some or most of the people there will be people I will enjoy playing with. Likewise, I want to go to a server that has a hardcore ruleset and will also be willing to befriend me and know who I am as well!
Octaviux
O'really Mr. Michael Griffith? Well screw you suit, your salary won't be padded by my dollars
ryZe
guys they are trying to make a balanced and fun multiplayer experience.
i'm a pc gamer and i know this is a HUGE change, but i mean IW has never and probably will never implement something they think will hurt the game. i say let's have faith in IW they haven't steered us wrong before. i for one will be playing on pc.
sinosleep
Honestly the dedicated servers don't bother me all that much. I've been PC gaming since Duke Nukem but I've also been a console owner since Super Mario World so I'm not one of these either or guys. I'm just glad the game's on the PC at all since I'm FAR more comfortable with a mouse and keyboard on an FPS than any controller that's ever been released.
BoydofZINJ
I have not signed the Boycot, because it wont do anything. Best thing to do is... SUPPORT IT OR BUY A DARN XBOX OR PS3 and be prepared to be CONSULED.
Catering to whiney kid consule users is not the way to go. Sure not all "kiddie" style people play on the PS3 or XBOX. There is a whole community of people on the PC side that use the customization and dedicated servers!
First there are the hardcore gamer servers which enforces people to play less like a Rambo and more like a trained soldier. Second, ever get tired of the people who chat and scream about nothing important? Well, BLEH. DO NOT BUY THE GAME AND SUPPORT THE PETITION.
I also want to point out, that I am not very good at FPS. I am better than some, but rarely will get more than a +6 on a kill streak - unless people are silly and I am getting lucky. MW2 will have auto Matchmaking.
I want to point out. I got better by playing better people and not by playing people with the same crappy skills as I got. How can you know - you are doing something wrong if you dont realize it? Some private servers I played only gave you 1 life and let you watch other people who were alive if you died.
Mr.Rager
I had to rethink my post. I remembered my own experience with losing host made servers. I remember when EPIC put in matchmaking for Gears of War 2. Now, I realize you PC Gamers pain. My friend is an avid PC Gamer and he's been telling me to quit the console for awhile. With his stories of 100 man game free for all. And the free DLC.
1234____
When asked if the PC version of this game was a direct port from the xbox, Vince, the CEO of Infinity Ward, said that it was not because it had features like keyboard support and in game text chat. Either Vince does not understand what a port is (and the game really is a console port), or Activision and Infinity Ward really do care about PC players and he just left A LOT of features off of that list. Based on this article (and many others), however, Activision doesn't care in the slightest...
Ignavus89
Too bad I just got into PC gaming.
Cyrosphere
As a PC gamer, let me express some sentiments then since this thread appears to be overrun with nerdrage.
PC's are a workstation as well as being a gaming consoles. Yes, they can be more expensive, but why is that surprising? It can do everything a console can, and then some. The PS3 cell processor is powerful? That's great, but it's a PITA to code for, and I can't remember the last time I heard of a server utilizing it. I havn't upgraded my rig since 2005 and it runs all the games of today just fine, though I have to play with the settings a bit.
Accordingly, PC gaming has always been a bit geeky: you install, setting the game up to work on your computer specifically. As such, this flexibility has become a norm for PC gaming, whether it be in the form of modding or setting your own servers. That's a part of the fun. Steam exemplifies this best, because each server you visit typically has its own unique flavour. Know of a great speedhack fun server? Awesome! If it's not to your liking, pick up and move on to a more 'factory' version of the game.
This forcible standardization runs contrary to the lifeblood of PC gaming - unique, flexible, personality - and that's what people are outraged at. Consoles are are fun and awesome if you can stand the limitations imposed upon you, because you don't have a say in their policy. Warranty and customer service has proved that time and again.
Anthoni
Activision shouldn't worry, people are just afraid of change. Plenty of people will play MW2 then the other nay-sayers will come along after they realize that what IW did was actually a good decision.
I enjoy the idea for not having to sift through servers for 30 mins. looking for a good game, then getting in to realize that the server has some totally bull rules.
Illuminate88
Gaming pc's don't cost a lot anymore and never really have. One can be built that can run MW2 with high settings for about 500 dollars. Add one hundred dollars and it will be max settings plus you'll have a computer built with new tech that is capable of running every other game out there on max settings.
gravy666
Logical course of action, given how the Left 4 Dead 2 controversy turned out: people tried boycotting it, yet when it was announced that the game had three times as many pre-orders as the original game, the plot was foiled- it suddenly became obvious that those boycotters were still reserving copies of the game for themselves. Hilarious if you ask me. Because really, that "boycott" of the game for no dedicated servers just went to waste, if we are to believe that MW2 really might be the biggest entertainment launch ever. (They should refocus their energy on the grenade spamming PSA and/or the airport level)
Auslander_EBDA
Infinity Ward has ripped the social aspect and the community aspect out of the game. Without dedicated servers the fan base that made them what they are has been tossed aside. The PC community stayed with Infinity Ward through think and thin. Patches and delayed tool releases. We stuck by them. Look what they did to us. I for one, am not bending over for them. The reasons of theft are wrong. We haven't even seen the game yet and there are thousands of XBox torrent down loads. XBox leaked spoilers on YouTube. Yet the blame the PC gamers. You backed the wrong horse IW.
All we ask for are the dedicated servers and mod tools so we may run the servers the way we want. We are not sheep. We know how to run them. We have years of experiance. If you are going to dumb it down to where the worst player is on equal footing with the best?? Then you have a boring game with a very short run and a lose of consumer faith. Not that you haven't already fostered the loss of consumer faith. There are 44615 posts worth of questions and comments in the IW PC forum that have never been answered or addressed. "We know our game and we know our gamers". Really?
9v9? We have tactical 16v16 and up scrims almost all the time. We know where our friends servers are. We know what servers we like and we don't. We are PC users. We can read. So the of so confusing server list is our friend. We are used to keyboards and the mouse. We don't rely on graphical navigation. Please don't dumb it down. Damn.
Our clans are inter linked. We are a community. If we didn't care about IW and the games they make we wouldn't say a word. But it's the inverse. There are thousands of clans. With an untolled number of members. They all gathered to played CoD in all it's forms. We supported IW. Still, they try to bend us over. Nice.
We have posted the question in IW's forums and on countless clans forums, "Who did Infinity Ward ask when they learned PC gamers didn't like haveing large matches/scrims/competitions and setting up the servers in a style to suit our players"? We haven't found anyone. AT ALL! No PC gamer has come forward. They didn't speak to anyone in the PC gaming community that we can find.
Lastly. When the questions asked during the BestBuy Q&A were answered with null answers. It didn't fool anyone. Trust is all but gone so specifics would have helped. We can't return our games or trade them in. So the BS of try it you might like it will not fly. Is that why your in fear of putting out a PC beta? IWNet has no chance next to the dedicated servers. Match making is fun but you get tired of all the six year olds throwing around hate, slurs and confusion when your trying to game. No. Not better. Tactical clans, crouch servers and claen places to play without the smooth brains rushing in and TKing, force feeding you foul language reaking havoc are now a thing of the past. We have our friends already and we meet and make new ones everyday or our dedicated servers.
We want to but your game. But you haven't listened. You never asked. You never considered us. The PC gamers. We bought your games, you used our mods and ideas in your releases and we didn't ask for anything except to play multiplayer the way we always have. Now you denied us that. There isn't any reason to keep us tied to you any longer.
All you need to get us back is add the dedicated servers back in and the mod tools. We don't care about paying for DLC. We want our servers our way and the ability 16v16 matches.
You nut up and fix it I'll buy it. You don't and I'm all over DICE's next release. They still care.
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Mr.Rager
IT'S A GAME. These PC-Gamers are acting like Infinity Ward told them they can't use their bank account. No one is going to care that you don't get your game filled with hacks and mods.
If you want dedicated servers and no lag. Join the Army. Uncle Sam has the best connection.
jalapenowonmil
I'm sure they're sittin in the meeting room goin on about how servers don't sell a game but the proven franchise that the game is coming from. Everybody wants the game and they (ACTIVISION) know it, most people that want it have already cemented their decision to obtain it. It seems they (ACTIVISION) are obviously overly concerned with making money, hence the billionth CoD game, which will probably be good.
p.s. Activision board members and CEO = EPIC LAMENESS
EKG
Anyone who cried like a baby when someone else called Activision the new EA just got their proof. Activision could not care less what the PC gamers think because they know the game is going to make most of its money on consoles anyway. The only way it is going to change is if PC gamers are serious about Boycotting. I support the PC gamers 110% on this one and I think Activision has shown their true colors by taking away a freedom that PC gamers have enjoyed for as long as I can remember.
Even though I am not a PC gamer, I am still a Gamer, and Gamers stick together. Activision has just taken whatever Reputation they had left and flushed it.
Overthrow
i saw the little preview while watching southpark yesterday and must say impressive! but EPIC FAIL with the choice of music........ eminem come on what garbage =0
LaneMax
BOYCOTT MW2
http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=1K9MBxeEqyI
NickAnguiano
I don't understand the argument of "oh well just get it on consoles then!" Doesn't that defeat the purpose seeing how consoles never had dedicated servers?
Anyways, I am getting this for PC and will enjoy the hell out of it. Could care less about the petition or the boycott, I just want to play a darn good game. I do actually agree that there probably will be more pros than cons ultimately with this.
rrodmicroshaft
oh well i wont be purchasing the game on any system now. activsion sucks big time bring on bfbc2
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