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Banned Gamer Loses Suit Against PSN

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Posted October 2, 2009 - By Stephen Johnson


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In a shocking legal decision destined to be enshrined among landmark cases like Brown V. Board of Education and Tom V. Jerry, A judge ruled that banning a gamer from the PlayStation Network is not a violation of the gamer's First Amendment rights.

Erik Estavillo sued SCEA after he was banned from The PlayStation Network for multiple violations of Sony's rules while playing Resistance: Fall of Man and posting on Sony's forums. Estavillo sought $55,000 and an injunction that would keep SCEA from banning any players in any form on the network. According to Estavillo, Sony dealt him pain and suffering, as he is an agoraphobic and the PlayStation Network is his means of social contact. Estavillo also lost the money in his Sony virtual wallet.

Northern District of California District Judge Ronald M. Whyte was unmoved by Estavillo's entreaties and ruled that there was no First Amendment issue here, before dismissing the case.

Reports that Estavillo stood up in court when the case was dismissed and yelled, "I'm out of order? You're out of order! This whole damn court is out of order!" are not true at all.

I joke, but this ruling is actually important. Judge Whyte essentially ruled that, unlike malls or "company towns," gamers don't have First Amendment rights in virtual space owned by others. It's not the first time the courts have made this point, but it's still pretty interesting.  Here's how the judge put it:

Sony's Network is not similar to a company town. The Network does not serve a substantial portion of a municipality's functions, but rather serves solely as a forum for people to interact subject to specific contractual terms. Every regulation Sony applies in the Network is confined in scope only to those entertainment services that Sony provides. Although the Network does include "virtual spaces" such as virtual "homes" and a virtual "mall" that are used by a substantial number of users (Pl.'s Reply in Supp. of Opp'n. to Dismiss 1), these "spaces" serve solely to enrich the entertainment services on Sony's private network. In providing this electronic space that users can voluntarily choose to entertain themselves with, Sony is merely providing a robust commercial product, and is not "performing the full spectrum of municipal powers and [standing] in the shoes of the State." Hudgens, 424 U.S. at 519 (quoting Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner, 407 U.S. 551, 568-69 (1972)).

On a semi-related note: Estavillo's suit claims that Sony is much stricter on bans than either Nintendo or Microsoft. If this is true, I say, "Nice job, Sony." I like that the company is using its power to protect decent people like me from annoyances caused by jackasses, whingers, griefers, nere-do-wells, ruffians, cads, bounders and creeps. Especially the bounders. Eff those guys.

You can read Estavillo's dismissed complaint here and the full ruling here.

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  • Rstarfox

    HAHAHA this is funny, glad he lost it would of been bad if he won cause then everyone would have the right to be a jerk.

    Posted: October 6, 2009 12:15 AM | Reply | Report
    Rstarfox
  • ABXPuPpeT

    who let that 360 fanboy have a PSN account, security needs to be enforced

    Posted: October 3, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Report
    ABXPuPpeT
  • Blue22

    Sony keeps online free and banhammers all the whiny kids? Man, Sony getting better and better

    Posted: October 2, 2009 5:58 PM | Reply | Report
    Blue22
  • TylerOdd

    Secondly to show*

    Posted: October 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Reply | Report
    TylerOdd
  • TylerOdd

    First off I think he's a pretty retarted for thinking he can agree to Terms & Conditions then try to sue for his rights. It's just like being able to own a gun and being able to carry a concealed weapon, that doesn't mean you can take it to a school with a No Guns Allowed sign. Secondly to how retarded he is even more. Why didn't he just do like all the other deuches that get banned. Create a new account. Doi

    Posted: October 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Reply | Report
    TylerOdd
  • Trikkey

    I think thats in terms & conditions also that any money you credit to your account can not and will not be refunded.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Report
    Trikkey
  • KingOfOldSkool

    I was fine with Sony banning this douche bag up until the "lost the money in his Sony virtual wallet" part.. I sincerely hope the guy was refunded the whatever money he put into it. It may not be violating his first amendment rights to lock him out of the PSN.. but I consider confiscating whatever money a player has set aside after banning him for whatever crap he is doing that they dont approve of is THEFT.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 12:02 PM | Reply | Report
    KingOfOldSkool
  • ZyloWolfBane

    Good, I remember when you guys first reported on this subject, and I cant belive it managed to progress even this far.

    Grats to sony for sticking to their guns and are actually being dedicated enough to remove such nonsense from the games we pay good money to enjoy online.

    If you cannot read or comprehend the terms of service of the games and services you sign up for then you dont deserve the ability to play with others, its as simple as that, this case should have been thrown out from the first day it was even discussed since this player ignored that which is clearly stated on everything you purchase as well as displayed before you even create your PSN account.

    There is never an excuse for acting like a fool and then whining about it later when you get in trouble, its your own fault.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 11:07 AM | Reply | Report
    ZyloWolfBane
  • ComplexedOne

    I hope this signals a new era in private network owners actually punishing the d-bags who abuse their services. A big thank you to that judge!

    Posted: October 2, 2009 10:41 AM | Reply | Report
    ComplexedOne
  • Goldenarmz

    Tom v Jerry comment had me cracking up at work. But this guys an idiot for thinking he can act like an idiot online and not get banned. Then try to SUE. Come on.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 10:36 AM | Reply | Report
    Goldenarmz
  • collegeboy21

    Wow. That's hilarious. What rights does he think he has when he blatantly violates the rules and conditions that Sony established for usage of their network? You commit a crime, you go to jail; you break the rules, you get banned. Deal with it.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 10:12 AM | Reply | Report
    collegeboy21
  • Completist

    If I posted abusive messages and acting like a world class dumbass I'd be asking to get banned too.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 10:02 AM | Reply | Report
    Completist
  • gamermoney

    (applauds)

    Posted: October 2, 2009 9:23 AM | Reply | Report
    gamermoney
  • contactone

    Great job to Sony and it's lawyers.

    Now we know why PS3's are so expensive. Law firm retainer fews.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Report
    contactone
  • BpNick

    and I meant TRUTH not TRUCH whatever that is...

    Posted: October 2, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Report
    BpNick
  • BpNick

    If he was questioned by SCEA's lawyers he should have said:

    "You want the truth? YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUCH!!" although it wouldnt have made much sense it would have been funny that and tellin the judge and court its in contempt of cournt and not him. But hes probably a duche on playstation network so he probably deserved it but...meh dont really care.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Report
    BpNick
  • The Emperor's Champion

    Apparently a lack of common sense can accomplish even stupider things than previously believed.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 9:19 AM | Reply | Report
    The+Emperor's+Champion
  • IcemanMX

    Asinine moron. Seriously, what mind-altering drugs to people take to blur their sense of entitlement with an independent company's private product and their "right to it?"

    I'm just jealous because I've never taken any drugs in my life that would make me THAT stupid.

    -M

    P.S.- Don t do drugs, kids. Not only do you have a chance of dying, but you may also wish to die after epically failing in court and making a complete ass out of yourself.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 8:59 AM | Reply | Report
    IcemanMX
  • swede7754

    @ Stephen Johnson

    Sorry if I missed previously posted info on this case, but, is there any info on what Estavillo actually did that was in violation?

    On Topic - kind of

    Tom V. Jerry, "this whole court...", frickin' hillarious! On a more serious note: Glad to know somebody's taking a stand against EUA abusers - IF that's what Estavillo did.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 8:56 AM | Reply | Report
    swede7754
  • Valentinog

    Wow. That guy an idiot. He afraid to talk to people in the real world, but likes to talk trash to everyone on the psn thinking that he take advantage over people online. lol he is truly out of order.

    Posted: October 2, 2009 8:53 AM | Reply | Report
    Valentinog

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