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Raymond Padilla: As expected, the rumor that Sony will be bringing the entire PlayStation 2 catalog to PlayStation Network caused quite the stir. Predictably, gamers that purchased a later PS3 model are angry that they won't be able to play their PS2 discs on their new system. Some are angry that they might have to buy their PS2 games again. Those people need to get over it; you can play your PS2 games on your PS2 (a novel idea) and nobody is "forcing" you to buy old games again. If the whole thing bothers you that much, then don't play ball. With all the negative energy surrounding the rumor, I'm going to choose to focus on the positive. There are a lot of gamers that will have access to hundreds of great PS2 games for the first time. That is an excellent thing.
For more Sony news (and hopefully some huge announcements), be sure to come back tonight around 6:30PM PST for G4tv.com's live blog of Sony's TGS 2009 keynote address.
Stephen Johnson: Every year at the Tokyo Game Show, the American game press brings back word of some totally freaky, out-there Japan-only game that will never, ever appear in The States. Whether it’s angry dad simulator Cho Chabudai Gaeshi or spanking game Boon-ga Boon-ga, Japan never fails to deliver the weird.
But it got me thinking: Is there a flip side? Are there any titles that are about so unique to American culture that Far Easterners would be totally unable to process their existence and react with a head-shaking “WTF?” I can’t come up with much, but the sheer number of first-person shooters available here in the States might give a Japanese person pause. Or maybe the variety of hunting games out there?
What do you think? Are there any American games you can think of that are so weird the rest of the world scratches their heads at them?
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BryanHelp
Someone's getting paid to tell us costumers to get over it. *wink wink
ABXPuPpeT
ha haaaaa oh snap the first time i every seen my comment deleted even though i had no profanity ha haaaa xD Raymond Padilla GOT BUTT HURT off of my comment ha haaa
RichiPuppy
Wow, leave it to G4 to tell it's audience how it should feel about something. I suggest you get over your feelings on it.
100percentgood
how will anyone "have access to hundreds of great PS2 games" when there is barely even access to tens of PS1 games?
gamers are still clamoring for PS1 games to come to PSN. now we get to watch as random PS2 games get released sporadically? it doesnt seem logical, especially when they cant even keep up with the demand of PS1 games.
i dont like the idea, but then again, i have BC in my system. so i can play any PS game that i want to.
does this mean the new Jak and Daxter is coming to PSN? its a PS2 exclusive, isnt it? but, if the entire PS2 backlog is coming, it should be there.
with all the legalese that will be getting thrown around when trying to gain ground on some of these PS2 games, Sony better have started gaining ground by talking to companies the moment they withdrew BC. otherwise, theres no way that even 1/4th of the PS2s killer titles will ever make it to PSN.
furthermore, when a game like FFX is something like 4.3gbs, and a 600mb demo takes 20 minutes to DL for most, how the heck are they going to stream this? even the install time of demos and games is huge. it just seems irrational, to me.
ErrorCodeOfDeath
Any PS3 owner who originally bought a BC PS3, that is bothered that everyone else will get BC, are morons. BC PS3's are already collector editions, I can turn around and sell my PS3 and make a $300.00 profit on it, easy. A new 60GPS3 goes for about a grand on the net.
If everyone gets BC on their PS3, its great for them, Its just one less thing PS3 future owners can stop crying about. They finally get to enjoy what I have been enjoying since launch. Everyones happy.
FLP_B01
THANK YOU!! Mr. Padilla, I couldn't said it better myself. :D
Which PS2 (and maybe Dreamcast) games will you be getting??
rellimps
I also had the same problem as someone earlier with being a little gun-shy about buying a launch PS3 due to me having to go through 2 PS2's in less than a year its first year on the market. I waited because I wanted to wait and see what kind of problems they might have developed.
The problem with people using the argument of you should of bought the PS3 when it first came out if you wanted backwards compatibility is that when Sony showed off the PS3 for the first time they touted being able to play all of these old games, they didn't say "Here's the PS3 get it now because in a year or so were going to remove backwards compatibility." Can anyone name any game console that had features removed from it as newer versions of the same console were made?
If you go the Ebay route then you can get a PS3 with BC, but you also get a PS3 that may have been not too well treated it could work fine for a week or for as long as you own the system, you would be better off buying a new PS3 and new PS2 at the store.
Wozman23
AS far as BC is concerned, as expensive as systems have gotten, and with the tech that's already come out that allows BC, I have come to expect BC on all new consoles. I don't really know how its implemented from a designing standpoint, but it seem like a relatively simple feature. Maybe its harder than I think. I love to keep my old systems so that I can revisit old games, but its much more convenient if my new system plays the old games. I understand Sony wants to cut cost, I just don't think this is a feature to cut.
As far as people complaining now that their new PS3 doesn't have BC, I have no pity for them. I went out and scooped my system up as soon as they said they were doing away with BC, because it was a huge selling point for me. I fail to understand how someone can be so upset about not having BC. If it was that big of a deal to you, then you should have found a way to get a system with the feature. I didn't want to spend $600, but I did to get all the features I wanted. Yes, its a lot of money, but if you've got an internet connection and can post up here, then there have to be ways for you to make the money.
As for PS2 titles coming to PSN, its a win-win. I probably won't buy many titles, or will look for cheap used physical media, but at least its an option for hard to find stuff. I'm in agreement with others, I'm not gonna re-buy stuff I've already got. Other media industries (like the music and movie business) are notorious for repackaging media, which almost always seems like a stab in the back to the loyal consumer who made the Day 1 purchase. I don't need every movie I've ever bought to be a Blu-Ray. I'm fine with my old DVDs and I'm fine with my PS2 discs. Others, may want to re-download everything they own. They've got the option, Sony gets some money, everybody's happy.
Xsnipe2killX
I agree with R-Pad if you want b/c go buy the old ps3 that on eBay. For the price 299 you are already getting a lot for the money. You guys first come plain about pricing and now that the price drop you complain about b/c .It s simple don t buy it .Go play on your Xbox!! I m pretty sure digital will be cheaper than buying it new at game stop. They aren t Microsoft that rips you guys blind I don t see you guys complain about paying for an online service that was meant to be free. Or better yet paying for DLC that was meant to be free? Or what about giving you guys twitter, face book but instead of a web browser? I'm so glad that dreamcast games and ps2 games will be on psn soon....
Tmidiman
@ ray
Always willing to give someone the benifit of a doubt. Sorry, but there are some good AND bad things in the videogame business. If you are expecting sunshine and rainbows everyday maybe you should go sell cotton candy on the Sanat Monica pier.
ronaldo99
my friend just bought a ps3 slim and he told me it plays his old ps2 fifa soccer game. i didnt believe him so i went to his house to see for myself, and it worked! i am so confused right now, i thought slim was NOT backwards compatible... someone please help me wrap my head around this...
also, no backwards compatibility for ps3 is a smart move on sonys part. they will make a ton of money with this. also, i think they should offer discounts to people who turn in their old games. maybe strike up a deal with gamestop or something.
for example: i love final fantasy X but my disc is starting to get scratched up. i would love to have this game in digital form so i can take care of it. but i dont want to pay FULL price AGAIN. i would love to have a discount towards my digital copy. thoughts?
IcemanMX
@ Mr. Padilla;
I understand where you are coming from and I respect your opinion. My only gripe with the whole PS3 backwards compatibility thing is simply: why not let the consumer make those choices that you mentioned? Sony can easily have had the PS3 slim be backwards compatible AND have the entire PS2 library on PSN. Let me choose to play my game disks on the system and/or find and download those games I do not have physically. There are plenty of people who would like the convenience of just downloading a game and not having to find it online or hunt it down, but there are other people who have their PS2 disk library right next to their PS3s'. These video game companies are always talking up a storm about choice. Well, why don't they stay true to that philosophy on this one particular issue and let the customer decide how they want to play their games?
@ Mr. Johnson;
Any fishing (Bass Master) or hunting game that requires you to sit still for minutes upon grueling minutes wafting for the prey to show up has even me scratching my head, let alone a foreigner. The increased realism factor with each passing iteration makes me wonder why the hell someone would play this game when they can go outside and hunt and fish for yourself? I play games to shoot aliens, Nazis, henchmen, and zombies or sometimes a combination of some or all four, not to fish and hunt deer.
-M
raymondb1981
So let me get this right, you have a PS2 and PS3 but the PS3 is not BWC and you get pissed? Huh, I would rather be more angry if my PS2 died and I couldn't play my old games anymore. The sense of that any of these companies owing us jack is ridicules. When I first bought my PS3 I was more pissed I only had two USB ports on the dang thing but I was pissed at myself for not doing the research first. You don't like the fact it's not BWC then don't buy it.
Shockwave562
Raymond, I'm not mad they are offering the games, I think that is sweet. what bothers me is that it is quite convenient for them to work on this after removing BC on the consoles. not everyone still has a PS2. I no longer have an Xbox or a PS2. good thing both my PS3 and 360 have BC otherwise I'd have to go buy a new one. I'm one of the lucky few who only has to have my PS3 and 360 hooked up to me TV and don't have to go digging through storage to play those games.
batmandrew
I for one would be excited if I could purchase PS2 games on PSN. I sold my PS2 to help pay for my PS3 so I can't even play the PS2 games I still own. I also don't mind buying them over again. What will I do with my old PS2 games? Well that's what eBay is for. But all in all the PS3 was made to play PS3 games... go figure.
ThaSaltShaker
Who could be upset about this? SONY gives you access to great games and their bitter? What the hell's wrong with this world?
altizar
If they do, then all I have to so is this is awesome, Screw the hosers that are wanting to charge 150$ for an old PSN Valykrie Profile : Lenneth!!!!!!!!!
Luna_Saisho
I wrote a whole long thing here that was very constructive and nice, and your system told me not to swear. There wasn't even as much as a "swear" that would pass as ok on American TV. Nothing at all. FIX IT.
ghetto2u
@RRODisBack
they wont be adding trophy support or hd to the ps2 games.....maybe the most popular ones but thats a stretch...cost would be too high.
@trashymac
psn already does it on the ps3....you can re-download them if already purchased but i think you can only do it a number of times before they tell you forget it you lost the game deal with it
RRODisBack
@Raymond Padilla
I was playing Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction last night and I love the game, it's awesome. My question is why don't Ratchet & Clank get the credit it deserves? Some may disagree but I think Ratchet & Clank is the best platformer and far better than Mario but all we hear about is Mario, Mario, Mario. Anyway, Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time is a day one buy for me.
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