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The Real Reason You Can't Have More Than 100 Xbox Live Friends -- Halo 2

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Posted August 10, 2009 - By pklepek



The Reason You Can't Have More Than 100 Xbox Live Friends -- Halo 2

Microsoft has never issued a fully satisfying answer about why Xbox Live, almost four years after the launch of Xbox 360, cannot support more than 100 friends. The company has blamed it on technical obstacles related to the original Xbox Live architecture. It's simpler than that. The real reason you can't have more than 100 friends on Xbox Live is because of Bungie. Specifically, Halo 2.

The continued community support behind Halo 2 is the only reason Microsoft hasn't ditched the lingering ancient Xbox Live architecture, a high-level Microsoft source confirmed to me late last week.

The original Xbox Live was not designed to support more than 100 friends. That's no problem for the Xbox 360 incarnation. Allowing players to add more than 100 friends on Xbox 360 is not a real technical challenge for Microsoft, but it requires ending support for the still-popular shooter. It's not as simple as issuing a patch for Halo 2, or else Microsoft would have released one ages ago.

Looking at Major Nelson's weekly Xbox Live activity lists, the Halo 2 connection should have been obvious a long time ago. Halo 2 is always the most played original Xbox title, suggesting a healthy community still enjoying Master Chief's second adventure online, despite the existence of Halo 3 on Xbox 360. What's keeping them playing? It doesn't matter, it only matters that they are.

My source said Microsoft still does not know when it will disable support for the original Xbox Live, thus ending Halo 2's reign on the charts. It could happen after the release of Halo 3: ODST, since that would give Halo players two new Halo games to move over to on the new Xbox Live. If you want Microsoft to move in that direction, however, it requires your voiced opinion.

The Reason You Can't Have More Than 100 Xbox Live Friends -- Halo 2

Microsoft will be reading this and comments elsewhere. If there's real vocal support for finally moving on from Halo 2, it could very well happen in the near future, I'm told.

But at least we know the hold up. It's a technical issue, but it's really not. It's about a community doing nothing more than enjoying their favorite game, while the rest of the world is prevented a seemingly simple interface feature. When to call it quits is a challenging issue for online games, but really, it's almost out of Microsoft's hands. Gamers have to make the decision.

I've contacted Microsoft for official comment. I'll update you if I hear anything.

What do you want Microsoft to do?

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  • illustrick

    ......you really dont need more than 100 friends....you cant have more than 16 people in ant game so.....why 100 friends, and 80% of the time, those tags are the same people with 5 live accts.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:20 PM
  • Zackattack213

    i have a few things to say.
    1 y is it so hard to fix this problem? IDK but im not the expert so ok
    2 I dont think eveyone has 100 friends that they actually ever play or talk to
    3 heres an idea what if they ported halo one and 2 ( all in the same box 30 or 20 bucks it would cost) so then cut the support. at least people still have the option if they really like the multiplayer to get it back plus it would be a great chance for people who never played it.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:19 PM
    Zackattack213
  • nightsnipe

    all they need is a Halo 2 MP only arcade game release with updated graphics thats it

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:13 PM
    nightsnipe
  • nightsnipe

    all they need is a Halo 2 MP only arcade game release with updated graphics thats it

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:13 PM
    nightsnipe
  • nightsnipe

    why don't they just release a halo 2 arcade game thats online only. same gameplay as 2 just updated graphics. thats all they need

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:09 PM
    nightsnipe
  • ShAdOw500009

    What if instead of troping the game they make the game for the xbox 360 instead of just getting rid of it. OR MAKE A GAME LIKE HALO 2 THATS WORTH PLAYING ON THE 360. I like playing halo2 but if it deals with advancing in xbox live then get rid of it

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:09 PM
    ShAdOw500009
  • goldenboy319

    let the people have their halo2

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:09 PM
    goldenboy319
  • iSpaz

    I am a hugeeee Halo fan and even I dont go back and play online Halo 2... I only use it for the campaign and story. Lets do move on, even though i dont really care about having more than 100 friends on my list I do know that some ppl do care...

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:06 PM
    iSpaz
  • TheJoe743

    I agree with EKG's statement, the only reason you would need over 100 friends would be for clan support, but the situation might change when Facebook integration comes in and you want to integrate your facebook friends into your Xbox friends group. Then it might be time to put Halo 2 out to pasture.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:03 PM
    TheJoe743
  • B-minus

    really who cares. do you really need more than 100 friends when most people probly only play with 10 of them. some people want to be cool and add everyone they ever played a game with so it seems like they have real friends.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:03 PM
    B-minus
  • JkRJake

    Every once in a while I go back to Halo 2 with some friends and do matchmaking/customs. Halo 2 is better than many of the games on the 360 today. Nobody needs over 100 friends, it serves no purpose. There workarounds it anyway. I don't think MS should cut support for it.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 12:00 PM
    JkRJake
  • Kanaye

    I never would've thought of this. Xbox Live evolution is stagnant because of a game released in 2004?

    I believe it is unfair for the players that decided to move on to suffer and not enjoy the innovations and features forthcoming in the next months of Xbox Live. I agree on completely dropping support for Halo 2 as soon as ODST comes out - screw waiting for Reach.

    Halo 2 players, jump on the Halo 3 boat and enjoy the good things forthcoming to us. But don't jeopardize our innnovations to the service!

    I.E. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 2 support is the reason why Microsoft hasn't implemented more innovations to the service, not just expanding the friend list cap.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:58 AM
    Kanaye
  • N8R

    -"Microsoft will be reading this and comments elsewhere."-

    Oh dear (*facepalm). I have a feeling I know people who are gonna be pretty vocal.



    I see a fair reason behind keeping it around... but it's time to move on.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:56 AM
    N8R
  • ShotgunBoy22

    I like both halo 2 and halo 3,but I really think that ODST is going to have a lot more gamers buying that than halo 2,and 3 put toghther and I think it will bring back some people that are bored with Halo wars(That game sucked).Im more than sure that with the new game many people will buy more online map packs and other downloads from Xbox live.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:54 AM
    ShotgunBoy22
  • ShotgunBoy22

    I like both halo 2 and halo 3,but I really think that ODST is going to have a lot more gamers buying that than halo 2,and 3 put toghther and I think it will bring back some people that are bored with Halo wars(That game sucked).Im more than sure that with the new game many people will buy more online map packs and other downloads from Xbox live.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:54 AM
    ShotgunBoy22
  • kylebaker

    I think the only people who have this problem are the press, and people in clans. Cause after a while for the average Joe, half the people on your "friends" list are just random people you don't even play with. I like Halo 2 better than the recent installment of the series, so dropping support for Halo 2 would be very sad indeed. However, if that is what people want, technology often drops past formats to advance and this is one of those situations.

    I just wish they did port to the 360, cause just porting the maps to Halo 3 wouldn't work. Halo 2 vs 3 have different engine, different physics, different jump heights, vehicles, weapons. It's not even feasible unless they just re-doing them from scratch to map Halo 3's way of living. So if they want to make those old Halo 2 players happy, redo Halo 2 to run on 360 but with all the recent technology to make 100+ friends possible, like a new XBLA game. However, this will never happen just because of the resources and time, that might not being worth it in the end.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:51 AM
    kylebaker
  • snookgum123

    That's a lame excuse for the reason not to have over 100 friends. We need all Halo2 to get up there lazy horse @ s s and buy halo 3 or odst so we can make more money. Than we will give you guys over 100 friends.... Lame excuse to say that Halo2 is whats stopping the process. Patch Halo2 and Patch live how hard is that?

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:51 AM
    snookgum123
  • liife_iis_crazy

    lol get it? 1(game) VS 100(friends)

    but seriously,they should let it go around the release date of halo odst.
    of course it will cause some players to be upset, but they need to realize there are
    other great games out there.

    like in the new gi joe movie,
    they said "science requires sacrifice"

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:50 AM
    liife_iis_crazy
  • pumathehero

    give halo 3 all the halo 2 maps. that'll be a good way to get a lot of people to move from 2 to 3. i'd love to see terminal and relic in 3. miss those maps.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:47 AM
    pumathehero
  • snookgum123

    Halo2 is still better than Halo3 and odst when it comes out. Do you guys chat with up to 100 char at a time on a daily basis. Some of them you don't even play with over months times. Shutting down Halo2 and the world as we know it will blow up.

    Posted: August 10, 2009 11:47 AM
    snookgum123

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