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256MB Of Internal Storage Confirmed For New "Jasper" Xbox 360

Posted by Raymond Padilla - Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:16 AM

In addition to running cooler, consuming less power, and being cheaper to make, the new "Jasper" revision of the Xbox 360 also has 256MB of internal storage in Arcade units. Xbox 360 Fanboy recently spoke with a Microsoft rep that said:

"We can confirm that we are moving to internal memory for the Xbox 360 Arcade. The physical internal memory is the same size as the previous external memory units -- 256MB."

Color me with a lovely shade of "meh".... A few sites I've read are going ga-ga over this, but I don't see what the big deal is. Instead of having a paltry amount of memory in external form, Jasper offers it internally. Whether the memory is inside the box or outside of it, I still think the Arcade is a crappy deal. Am I missing something here? Are any of you excited by the whopping 256MB of memory moving inside the box?

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Posted by AgentDrickel - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:38 AM

in all honesty..not in the least...Why would I want to go from 120gb that is transportable to 256mb thats not...waste of time and money

Posted by Slash5150 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:40 AM

OH MY GOD!!! 256MB!!!!! That is so awesome!!!!!!

Seriously...only 256MB? What...was 512 too expensive?

Posted by c1001z - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:47 AM

when the poster (RPadilla) sounds bitter you know this is gonna get ugly.....ready..aim..fire!

Posted by sctydsnktnow - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:53 AM

this is why you don't buy an arcade

Posted by Darkis - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:55 AM

owell...dont like it dont buy it...you of all folks should understand why raymond..heck you work for a site thats based on the same thing.

*now on topic*

good...many folks either slae those mu's or just lose them...and they did it for the reason of the nxe...if raymond woulda done his homework he coulda put all the info on it...

and no acrade isnt a crappy deal...olny if your expecting to need a hard drive etc..theres plenty of folks that just need a mu for a few games they want....or ones that want to play and plan on buying a hdd later when they can afford it.

Posted by Darkis - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:57 AM

btw...whats with the slow news on it...ive known this about a week ago.....

Posted by Bookshelf - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:57 AM

i think the arcade model is a total rip off unless you are really not going to use any of the features you cannot do without the other hardware.

Posted by WarChild76 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:58 AM

Wow G4 must really be out of things to start flame wars with if this is the best they can come up with.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:02 AM

@c1001z I'm not bitter at all -- just puzzled.

@Darkis This is the first time I've seen it confirmed.

Explain how the Arcade is a good deal. After you download NXE, you don't have much room in the 256MB. You can't use numerous features that make the Xbox 360 interesting, hence you essentially have a crippled system.

@WarChild76 It got you to click on the story and leave a pointless comment -- mission accomplished.

Posted by Darkis - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:07 AM

well i woulndt say crippled...if you want to dl movies etc...your gonna need live(gold)...and the hdd....now any consumer would see to do all those extra things youd have to get the hdd etc....im sure thier not going to buy a arcade thinking they dont need a hdd....
thier buying it just for the basics...thou it would be nice if it had all the stuff...but like i said you get what you pay for...


and bummer...i figured you already knew and just waited to post it later on....owell no biggie8)..i cant find out all the info hence why i read here aswell..

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:14 AM

@Darkis It's not just movies. You don't have room for much of anything with 256MB after you install NXE -- additional XBLA games, DLC, etc. You also can't install games to cut down on drive noise.

I also disagree with you about consumers not knowing they need a hard drive. There are a great many mainstream buyers that have no idea, but are attracted by the low price point of the Arcade.

Posted by shoobieee - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:21 AM

256MB....seriously? Just....why? I hope it melts inside the new 360 and you get RRoD. Many grandparents may buy the Arcade for a grandson that's a gamer. The grandson is all 'woo-hoo' until he finds out he can't save poop on his 360.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:22 AM

@raymond padilla
The arcade isn't a bad sku when looked at in a relative situation for which it is given. For example, if you happen to be gifted with one then your cost of getting into the next gen of gaming is too either buy a HDD or just use the internal memory because you don't care about all of the other features.

Scenario2:
Mom and Dad buy the machine. Grandma and Grandpa buy the HDD. Aunts and Uncles buy extra controller(s) and batteries. Whoever else might be giving a gift picks up a game. In this situation the arcade is a great way for a family to gift something a person wants but w/o spending a fortune.

Your family never did anything like this?

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:27 AM

@Smartguy81 Your examples don't make it a good value. By your rationale, someone buying me a Ferrari makes the car a good value because I didn't pay anything for it. That just makes it a good value for me -- someone still had to shell out the money.

Just because the gift receiver didn't lay out money, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad purchase for the gift giver.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:32 AM

@raymond padilla
How many times have you had to buy a gift or have bought a gift that you felt was a bad value? Bad value as in cheaply made, waste of money, or just plain nonsense? The fact that the sku allows a family who can't just plunk down over 400 dollars on one child has a tremendous value. If you were given a 200 dollar xbox and also gifted with the extra parts, what is the difference between that and a pro system? The value is there. For me personally I'd never buy it. If I were in a situation like I mentioned above, I wouldn't mind buying a HDD or controller for someone else.

Posted by KenjiXSamurai - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:43 AM

It's Just A Part of Xbox's Ploy To Prolong The 360. I Think It's Similiar To What's Happening With The PSP And DSi, They're Just Prolonging A Product For As Long As They Can. Surprisingly Enough, The Xbox Is Still Popular Despite Its Minor Flaws.. Okay Maybe A Few Major Ones. If It's One Thing They Did Right, Is To Make The Avatars Cartoonish And Light-Hearted.

Posted by IBloodstormI - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:50 AM

i much rather the external memory card. then at least i can get more use out of it.

Posted by TurnBackThePendulum - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:55 AM

Hay I am thinking of buying the Arcade with the Xbox LIVE 60GB Starter Pack. I get 5 arcade games free, 3 months free. Were as If I get the pro I get everything minus the two listed above. So what do you think is the better value. All the and only real difference between versions in the chrome disk cover.

Posted by cmg61904 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:55 AM

So it comes with 256MB of internal memory. It's $200. If someone is only interested in playing games, heave forbid, instead of downloading content off XBLA I don't see the problem here.

If they change their minds can't they just buy a hard drive later?

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:57 AM

What I want to know is whether the internal memory is exclusive to Jasper models in general, exclusive to Arcade Jasper models, or is Jasper exclusive to Arcade models.

Posted by collinE - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:03 AM

I think most of the hardcore gamers have already bought their 360. The hardcore gamers who haven't will buy a pro. Simple as that.

The casual gamers who haven't are going for gaming at it's simplest(i.e you put a game in and play). a lot of kids don't have the internet in their rooms and therefore aren't planning on playing online. they just want to play like they always did before.

Posted by ThataUFO - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:08 AM

When I first read this I thought it said 256GB. I was trying to wrap my mind around that till I got to the last paragraph. I gotta stop reading so damn early in the morning.
Absolutely the Arcade is a rip off for the consumer, but it's a great way for MS to get more money. When a kid gets this for Christmas or something he can then beg his parents for upgrades(to actually make it useful), which equals more money for MS. It sucks, but that's business.
It might be worth it for someone who lives in the boonies and isn't ever going to take it online.

Posted by Asrugan - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:09 AM

@cmg61904

Bingo! and that's just who this is targeted at. People who just play a few games on thier system. Hey, and it's good marketing to let a consumer get a taste before having them buy (which many I'm sure will do once they get taste of that small memory, they'll want more).

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:11 AM

@Smartguy81 Why wouldn't a family get together to buy a Pro or Elite instead of being things piecemeal. That makes much more sense and represents a better value.

@kaitou I thought the Pro had component cables and the Arcade did not. Has that changed?

@Sandrock323 Jasper should be popping up in all 360 skus.

Posted by Triple6ix - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:14 AM

640k should be enough for anybody. -Bill Gates

Posted by NumeroDoso - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:20 AM

The overheating of GPUs was what caused a lot of 360 failures. The Jasper GPU uses slightly less power and is thicker, so it runs cooler. I'd be more excited that this were a solution to one failure mode of XBox 360s than about the possibility of internal memory.

What I want to be reassured about is that if I see the red ring of death staring back at me (knock on wood this never will happen) and send in my 360 Elite at some point in the future that it will be replaced with a model that has the Jasper GPU, and not just another 360 core with the same original GPU that will fail two years later.

Posted by blinxRED - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:27 AM

I love it when you call me big pop-pa

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:28 AM

@Raymond Padilla
I asked because I have not heard or seen anything about someone getting a Pro or Elite model of Jasper. In theory it makes sense to put Jaspers in all models, but that depends on how much the internal memory is costing them and how much it would cost to produce two deferent Jasper models, one with the memory and one without. I would like to see that memory in all models, as that would allow people to store system functions like NXE, market place info, and Netflix in an onboard place separate from their HDD.

Posted by asthmagasm - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:33 AM

@Smartguy
I understand what you mean about divvying up the cost between the family to not put a large lump sum on one or two people, but as it's not cost effective. Why wouldn't everyone just pitch in for a Pro or Elite if the entire family is investing in a Xbox for a person?

Posted by dbearf64 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:34 AM

Everyone is assuming that they are going to stop using the external memory unit that comes with the arcade. The article just says that the jasper will have 256mb internal and of course that's for NXE. It still could be a great bundle for someone who doesn't go online and just plays at home with friends.

Posted by gamebrain89 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:37 AM

This really doesn't matter to me. I have a harddrive for mine, and I also have a memory card for it. All my saves go on the hard drive, and my gamertag and themes go on the memory card. That way I can easily take my tage with me when I go to a buddy's house.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:39 AM

@Raymond Padilla
Kids like multiple presents. The more stuff to open, the more enjoyment they have on christmas morning. It could also be the fact that some families won't travel this year and or they'd rather give a present rather than write a check to a parent. Trust me, I understand where you are coming from with the all in one box value. It is what I would purchase for myself. However not all consumers shop the same way. The all in one box could be over budget for a family that has 2 or more children.

A console could be considered a big gift. It is natural for ppl to receive accessories for their big gift at the same time. For example, one child wants an xbox and the other wants an ipod touch. Xbox kid gets xbox accessories and ipod touch kid gets accessories. Works out for families splitting costs.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:49 AM

@Sandrock323 Well, one reason that Jasper will hit all skus is because it's cheaper to make. I'm sure there are a lot of Falcon models that still have to be sold, but eventually, they should all be Jaspers...and then the next dye shrink will hit.

@Smartguy81 When I have kids, I will teach them that more is not better -- sometimes it's just more. Then they can laugh at the stupid kids that prefer "more stuff to open" instead of one superior present.

Posted by JediMasterDestro - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:52 AM

yea, it was my unerstanding that the Arcade was meant as a family console, or dorm-room-distraction. Hardcore gamers are ruining gaming. Whatever happened to plunking down and just playing some games? the "console wars" annoy the hell out of me(PS3 and 360 are just as good as any other system, even Virtual Boy did the job of entertaining me for a little bit)
Dont you have an 360? why do should you be excited about this new one? Its not meant for you.
Your eiditorial is moot in this situation. It would be like me saying that abortion is wrong. I dont have the equipment required to get one, so why should i care about someone else getting one?

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:53 AM

@raymond padilla
i always preferred alot of packages on xmas. I'm not a greedy prick. I was just a kid who enjoyed ripping paper off of a new "something". if you have kids and you raise them right then you won't have to prove your point at xmas, they will know it already.

agree to disagree here? my family prefers gifting something to unwrap rather than all pitching in for a present. i know they aren't the only family like that.

Posted by X02 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:55 AM

I'm expecting RROD to comment on this...and in this case, I'm probably going to agree.

This is really a rather paltry announcement to gamers who know that that amount of memory is insignificant during these times of DLC availability. Really, I can't find one person in the know who would actually recommend buying the arcade version seeking a full video game experience.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 9:59 AM

@JediMasterDestro I'm pretty sure your abortion analogy will be the dumbest comment of the month.

@Smartguy81 Shame on you for enjoying paper wasting. Treebeard will stomp you.

@X02 Agreed.

Posted by grunto - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:10 AM

256MB FTW!!!!

Since when does 256 MB of storage get a topic all to its own? Oh wait, its the 360. I forgot everything gets overhyped. Cuz god knows they dont have enough games to slell them system. Unlike M$ SOny sells sytems based on games (and BR). M$ sells on a whopping 256 MB!! TAKE THAT SONY!!! NO1 CARES ABOUT YOUR 160GB HDD. I GOT 256MB TO FILL UP PUNKS!

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:12 AM

@Raymond Padilla
half the fun was throwing the paper in the fire place! sometimes...i would accidentally throw batteries away in my paper burning frenzy lol.

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:17 AM

@Raymond Padilla
I think the dye shrinking will more than cover the cost of the memory. I'm just curious if we can expect Microsoft to spend extra money making two different motherboards or simply put the same motherboard in all their models.

Posted by ThataUFO - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:17 AM

Exactly how much money does it cost to make an arcade "usable" after the initial $199 spent for the system? And won't word of mouth eventually catch up to this so people stop buying that thing?

Posted by asthmagasm - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:17 AM

@JediMasterDestro

I'm not sure if the abortion comment is the dumbest or funniest thing I've seen all morning, but bravo.

Posted by rocknjayhawks - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:21 AM

I have to agree with smartguy here. I am going in with my mom to get a arcade model 360 for my nephew for christmas. He is about to turn 18 has a job and can get the hd for himself. He is not going to play online and isnt going to use the new nxe untill he get high speed internet. I dont think that he should be told what he is getting just so we can ask him for the other 100 to get him a pro system. The arcade is a great gift even if it is for yourself where you have 200 but not 300 or 400 and want the system you can get it then get the hard drive the next time you have a chance.

Posted by morbo1993 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:25 AM

@ Raypad

haha at your "Mission acomplished" comment

Posted by faygohero - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:28 AM

To think in a world of gaming were all fanboys are screaming "DLC, DLC, we got the EXCLUSIVE DLC!", a game system would come out a say 256 is all you need. Now a days, you really only get the first 90-95% of any given game, knowing that DLC and patches are always there to add to the experience. But for a casually gamer, who loves the new CoD, but can't get the map expansion because of no memory, will no think "gee golly, i should plop down more money for an external harddrive." No, they will say "Should just rent it, can't download anyways" We all know that rentals and used games bring in the corporate dollars, but I don't think that in time, the casually gamer will think this is a great deal. I'll get one at the pawnshop next summer for cheaper then 200, just to play some fable 2 offline.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:31 AM

@Smartguy81 Dear God. Please recycle your batteries properly. That's it...I'm going to have to do something to bring back the spirit of GCycle.

@rocknjayhawks You and your mom are cheap. :P

@Sandrock323 I expect MS to use Jasper for all 360 models until the next dye shrink.

Posted by JediMasterDestro - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:33 AM

yea, it was my unerstanding that the Arcade was meant as a family console, or dorm-room-distraction. Hardcore gamers are ruining gaming. Whatever happened to plunking down and just playing some games? the "console wars" annoy the hell out of me(PS3 and 360 are just as good as any other system, even Virtual Boy did the job of entertaining me for a little bit)
Dont you have an 360? why do should you be excited about this new one? Its not meant for you.
Your eiditorial is moot in this situation. It would be like me saying that abortion is wrong. I dont have the equipment required to get one, so why should i care about someone else getting one?

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:35 AM

@raymond padilla

the batteries were pure accidents. although it did look cool.

Posted by N8R - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:35 AM

@Smartguy
R-Pad might not celebrate Christmas... therefore understand.

@R-Pad
When you have kids I want you to remember what an exemplary model of parenting you have the plans to be right now. Then look back and see how if you aren't a parent, all you got is assumptions and speculation on the Dad Of The Year award you will surely claim.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:38 AM

@N8R
possibly so. point taken.

Posted by JediMasterDestro - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:44 AM

i dont know why that double posted a half-hour apart, but whatev.

but RayPad: again, your opinion means nothing. You're an elitist "expert" who writes for a tech site, but you dont understand why having memory in a cheap system is a good thing? Not all tech news is meant to make you blow a load. There are people out here in the real world who do things other than fill their hard-drive with downloads. I bought the Halo edition 360 for the green/gold motif. I dont game enough to utilize all its assets. The Jasper is nice idea for my kids and im sure theres thousands of other families who can get by with minimal memory.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:52 AM

@JediMasterDestro You obviously have problems understanding English. Let's look at the evidence.

- I never said having memory in a cheap system wasn't a good thing.

- You don't understand what Jasper is. It's being used across all Xbox 360 skus, not just Arcade.

I'm not an elitist at all. I can understand why you'd think that, because you appear to have interpretation issues.

Posted by TurnBackThePendulum - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:00 AM

@ Raymond Padilla

Sorry about that forgot to put that down though the hook up really doesn't matter I would the same tv as all my other consoles.

Posted by Noonetohearme - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:04 AM

HELLLLLLLLLLLL NO.

Posted by DamienHell - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:11 AM

yay?

Posted by LOAGEEKS (BANNED) - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:12 AM

Consumer Affairs report to stay away from Nigerian email money transfers and the xbox360 Arcade edition.

You have been warned.......

Posted by lyons217 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:15 AM

While the "Pro" and "Elite" versions of the 360 are understandable, I have NEVER been able to understand what would possess a person to buy the "Arcade" version. In my view, it is COMPLETELY pointless, and no one who really wants a 360 would purchase it.
That being said, having an internal memory of only 256MB does absolutely NOTHING to change my view of this.

Posted by Bulbachar - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:15 AM

Seems like just another way they are using to cut down on cost. Costing $199 probable means they really aren't taking in too much profit, if any, on each system sold.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:30 AM

@Bulbachar I'm pretty sure the Wii is the only console of this generation that's currently profitable. This will change, of course, as manufacturing gets cheaper.

Posted by kangy3 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:33 AM

Seriously, in before RedRingOfDeath?

i'm sure he'll be here complaining about how unreliable it is and how his playstation 3 has 80 gb of internal memory amongst others. What a loser.

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:44 AM

@Raymond Padilla
The real question I have been trying to ask (I fail and I know it), is will Pro and Elite SKUs be getting the 256mb internal memory too.

Posted by TurnBackThePendulum - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:45 AM

I forgot to say this is going to be like the Wii except when needed to expand you can Hard drives instead of sds. By the way has any one ran out of room with VC titles on the Systems. Oh never mind though an Ok choice I guess?

Posted by TomHoang - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:46 AM

okay...

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:56 AM

@Sandrock323 I don't think so. What would be the point?

Posted by JuliusBenedict - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:00 PM

Wow this is a great site, I guess having more internal memory than the regualr console means NXE wont run faster, so haveing 256 flash memory is useless then?, G4TV is the best!

I'm still looking for that thousand dollar ps2 and $400 gamecude games on ebay.

Posted by deviousconkerer - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:02 PM

Wow, RedRingofDeath didn't post here yet? Thank You RROD! First Obama's president, now RROD has shut up. Something tells me it's the calm before the storm.

Posted by JuliusBenedict - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:06 PM

Wow this is a great site, I guess having more internal memory than the regualr console means NXE wont run faster, so haveing 256 flash memory is useless then?, G4TV is the best!

I'm still looking for that thousand dollar ps2 and $400 gamecude games on ebay.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:15 PM

@JuliusBenedict It's a great site because we have genius readers that think moving from a 256MB memory card to 256MB of onboard memory will make NXE run significantly faster. Readers that also make the idiotic claim that someone said the memory is "useless" are also pretty awesome.

@deviousconkerer I actually think it's pretty funny and impressive that people continue to mention him, even though he has yet to post in this thread. That you're thinking about him enough to post means that he's gotten to you.

Posted by TurnBackThePendulum - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:26 PM

Whose RedRingofDeath?

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:26 PM

@Raymond Padilla
It would allow them to pre-install NXE strait onto the console instead of putting it on the HDD that comes with the console and give their costumers more fore their money. It would also satisfy the people who complain about the NXE taking up room on there HDD. (but then they would just complain about something else)I am really just looking for a definite answer to tell people.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:35 PM

@Sandrock323 I don't think it would be worth the cost and the effort to include the onboard memory on Pros and Elites.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:41 PM

@Sandrock323
256 meg on a 20, 60, or 120gb HDD is insignificant. It should be understood that firmware updates will take up game save/media space on a HDD.

Posted by Cajunplayboy - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:50 PM

What we all keep forgetting is the incredibly F'ing ridiculous amount that Microsoft charges for a hard drive. As of this holiday season you can get a TERABYTE for around $100. The people at Microsoft are making so much money off of those hard drives it's practically robbery.

With that said... There's nothing wrong with the value of the Arcade model as there are a percentage of gamers who just want to play games the way we all used to.

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 12:55 PM

I just got an Elite and have no interest in getting a new one. I'm just curious because I have not seen any prof one way or another.

@Raymond Padilla
I doubt the cost of a 256mb memory is really that significant and it would also eliminate the step of insalling the NXE while making the HDDs, but we all know how stingy companies can get.

@Smartguy81
It is insignificant, but it would still make a good PR stunt.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:04 PM

@Cajunplayboy I'm not forgetting that at all. That's part of the reason why I think the Arcade is a poor value.

@Sandrock323 Considering that Microsoft loses money on each console sold, anything that adds to the cost is significant. As for the process, I think it's a wash. Instead of putting NXE on the drives, someone has to put it on the onboard storage.

Posted by Thiago123 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:07 PM

Yeah, you are missing something. You are talking about the memory and show a pic of the power brick. What you are missing is that the power bricks now list 150W power consumption where before it was 175W. This is presumably confirmation that the 65nm Jasper chips are out which consume less energy (yay green) and create less heat which will in theory reduce RRODs. The internal memory is a cool side story, but this is what people are excited about.

Posted by Cajunplayboy - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:12 PM

There is nothing about the Arcade NOT having a HDD that is a poor value. It's cheaper than all of the other consoles out there currently and still plays a large library of fun games.

and

@Thiago123: you reiterated the point that every body is missing... the new chips will run on less power and produce a lot less heat. more than likely getting rid of the heat problem that has plagued the Xbox 360 for the past couple of years

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:23 PM

@raymond padilla
I have been thinking...do you consider getting someone a Wii a poor value? Honestly Wii sports gets very old very quick. You also need an extra WiiMote and nun-chuk in order to actually enjoy the initial Wii experience with the packaged in game. So would a Wii and its boxed contents be enough? I don't think so. Would you consider the PS3 a bad value since it doesn't come with an HDMI cable since it is a bluray player as well? Most people won't buy the cable off of ebay. Think about it.

Posted by Sandrock323 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:28 PM

@Raymond Padilla
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the 16mb onboard memory of a normal motherboard was not enough to hold the NXE, making it impossible to put the NXE on the console itself. That would mean without the updated memory the only option would be to put the NXE on the HDD before shipping if they want all new 360s to come with the NXE.

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:31 PM

@Thiago123 *sigh* Read the article I wrote about Jasper last week before making moronic comments. It's conveniently linked in the article.

@Cajunplayboy People are not missing the point. This was discussed heavily last week.

@Smartguy81 When I say Arcade is a poor value, I'm talking about relative to other Xbox 360 skus. Your examples don't apply.

@Sandrock323 Strictly speaking about Arcade systems you're correct. That's why MS had to offer free 512MB cards to previous Arcade buyers.

Posted by Cajunplayboy - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:35 PM

There is nothing about the Arcade NOT having a HDD that is a poor value. It's cheaper than all of the other consoles out there currently and still plays a large library of fun games.

and

@Thiago123: you reiterated the point that every body is missing... the new chips will run on less power and produce a lot less heat. more than likely getting rid of the heat problem that has plagued the Xbox 360 for the past couple of years

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:39 PM

@Raymond Padilla
Of course they apply. The arcade is inevitably judged and compared even by the other competition that isn't in house. I have given you reasons why the sku is a good value to some consumers based upon relative situations. That is what it boils down too. If one sku was good for all types of consumers as far as MS and Sony are concerned, then MS and Sony would do like Nintendo and have just one sku. You still didn't answer the question I posed. I answer your questions and I would like an answer to mine. Thanks.

Posted by MutantEnemyMTL - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:48 PM

@Raymond Padilla

Another use of the Arcade is to replace an out of warranty 360 with an HD. I already have the HD so why buy another one? My 360 is almost 3 yrs old so if (when) it RRODs I'll get new hardware instead of paying for another refurbished unit that will fail again anyway. I have already had the RROD 3 times so I'm pretty much expecting it to happen again.

Posted by Thiago123 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:06 PM

@Raymond Padilla

You say my comment is moronic yet you post: "A few sites I've read are going ga-ga over this [for no reason]", yet you don't quote any of these sites. All of them that I have read are not "ga-ga" but rather just "meh" as you say or even reporting it as a detriment or another option. The one site you link to, X3F, writes:

"That means you can save games and download content right out of the box, but if you want to take it anywhere, you'll need to pick up a Memory Unit like everyone else."

Does that sound like they are going "ga-ga?" Sounds like a mere report. A cool side note/option for the new chipset.

What I was merely trying to point out, with no disrespect (thanks for calling me a moron), is that you missed that what people ARE going "ga-ga" is the prospect of a better chip and the reduction of RROD. You yourself said: "color me and my 360 Elite ("Falcon", I believe) jealous."

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:24 PM

@Smartguy81 It doesn't apply for a few reasons. Firstly, I was not considering them in my judgment. You can't impose your factors in my equation. You're talking about an entirely different comparison.

To answer your question, I don't really think about it that way. You're comparing apples to oranges to bananas.

@Thiago123 I didn't call you a moron. I called your comment moronic. Your latest one is slightly less so.

- The site I linked to had the quote confirmation, ergo that site getting the credit. You make the foolish assumption that X3F was one of the sites I was referring to as going "ga-ga", which is just a dumb conclusion.

- I didn't feel the need to link to every site I mentioned, mostly because I want people to stay here. Even you.

- Your final point was made in last week's story. Try reading it and the comments again.

Posted by kangy3 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:38 PM

even the article author is getting in on the flame war. I do agree with raymond though.

Posted by rbee90 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:40 PM

@raymond padilla

its kinda cool for you, as a g4 employee joining in the forums, what's ur psn id dude?

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:40 PM

@kangy3 Ha! Nah, I don't have a "side" in the flame war. I like all three major consoles and both major handhelds just fine.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 PM

base units for all 3. Just because you would buy a non arcade sku for yourself doesn't diminish the value of the arcade for a person without disposable income. In other words your equation is flawed. Value ultimately is in the eye of the beholder. By your rationale there should be no entry level product. See cars, tvs, homes, etc

Posted by rbee90 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:43 PM

@raymond padilla

you totally have my respect, dude...make these fanboys open their petty ignorant childish eyes

Posted by r_pad - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:49 PM

@Smartguy81 A few things here....

- A poor value doesn't mean no value. This is the mistake you're making. Just because I think the Arcade sku isn't as good a value as the other skus, doesn't mean I think it's worthless.

- If a person has limited income then I'd suggest that they wait and save a little more money for a Pro. Buying an Arcade and paying for other items later would hit their wallet harder. Remember, we're talking about entertainment here, not a necessity. There's not reason a person can't wait.

- I have no idea how you came to the conclusion in your last sentence. Again, you made the mistake of thinking a comparative "poor value" means "no value", which is not at all what I said.

@rbee90 Ha! Thanks for the props.

Posted by rbee90 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 3:56 PM

@raymond padilla

lol, anytime bro...

Posted by AshleyHawkins_Is_Bac - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 4:46 PM

I'm backkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything about the 360 is better than any news on that lame ass PS3...take that sony fanboys...lol

Posted by dantekratos300 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:48 PM

@AshleyHawkins, you know what the fanboy is you, jackass

Posted by dantekratos300 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:50 PM

I was going to say something good but jackass just piss me off

Posted by dantekratos300 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:58 PM

Something's missing, I wonder what! Oh, yeah I know RedRingOfDeath ( not an offense)

Posted by deleted_00F7AF04-F47B-4A59-BCC2-2D429C739029 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:51 PM

well the arcade is a rip off, why buy it when you will NEED a hard drive eventually? Plus the arcade comes with a/v cable only not hd component, So instead of buying the arcade and then eventually buying the hard drive that you will eventually MUST HAVE if you ever want to play any real games and then buying the hd component cables, just go ahead and get the damn pro, you will save money buying the pro, the arcade is just a price that gets people to buy it, its a gimmick. Later they find out what they actually NEED. and waoit I dont think arcade includes the head set either. So buying a hard drive hd component cable and live headphones will actually cost $50 more than if you bought the pro to begin with.

Posted by mikeb1701 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 7:59 PM

The whole idea of buying a 360 Arcade system is pointless. After paying $199.00 the purchuser will pay another $99.00 for a hard drive.( hummm that's $299.00 well what do you know the price of a PRO system ) The only reason I can see someone buying an Arcade system is to replace a broken 360 that the warrenty has run out, other than that it's a waste of money.

Posted by deleted_C500C119-53DD-4584-B8AF-983D528528D8 - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 10:36 PM

just another peice of shyt from microshaft

Posted by Cajunplayboy - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:20 PM

@thecoo1est:

I don't wanna resort to name calling so i want... but just know that i wanted to.

2 questions: What qualifies a game as a REAL game? Also who the hell are you to decide on what a REAL game is.

I'm older than most of the people on here bitching back and forth about ridiculous things. I've played games without a hard drive on my console for many years and i'm pretty sure they were all REAL games.

Posted by Cajunplayboy - Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:22 PM

and oh yeah... if Raymond Padilla likes to argue (the scholarly term) his arguments are very flawed and pointless.

All he states are his opinions and not facts... which you can have an opinion as this country affords you that right... but don't state it as fact.

Posted by Famous531 - Thursday, December 4, 2008 1:15 AM

Lol.. 256... wow.

Anyways.. Arcades are useless IMO. If you're just buying a 360... Because now you have to buy an HDD, pay for live, buy a recharger and also buy a wireless adapter.

You can also buy a regular Xbox, but now you just need the recharger and the Wireless card.

Save up a couple of bucks and buy a PS3.

Can't complain about prices now huh?

Cheap facks.

Posted by deleted_00F7AF04-F47B-4A59-BCC2-2D429C739029 - Thursday, December 4, 2008 5:11 AM

@cajunplay, well name call all you want old person, Im simply stating its much better to buy the pro and save a lot of money overall, if you want to argue with me about something this stupid go ahead, and yes to play a lot of the great games that 360 has to offer you will NEED a HD moron, sure there are plenty of great arcade games, but if you want to play Gears of War 2 or any kinda of dlc or map packs you will need this, any hardcore gamer will, so save the money and just buy the pro, if your happy with the little games you play then dont worry about, and Im glad you didnt resort to name calling cause it wouldve made you look like an idiot more than your post already has.

Posted by Smartguy81 - Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:07 AM

@Raymond Padilla
You missed the boat entirely. I came to the conclusion because in your skewed point of view you only think the person actually buying the unit is going to use it. You don't consider the fact that it could be a gift. Honestly I'd like you to really tell me my scenarios didn't have a point. You can't.

Posted by r_pad - Thursday, December 4, 2008 8:49 AM

@Cajunplayboy Of course I'm stating my opinions in a debate. That's the point. People have different opinions on the same issue. And also, your mom is flawed.

@Smartguy81 I never said your scenarios don't have a point. You also didn't address anything I said in my last reply to you. I don't see what being a gift has to do with anything. So what? Even if you solely want to look at it that way, the Pro is still a much better value than Arcade.

Posted by SilentSniper - Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:46 PM

well with the memory being portable that does have some advantages

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Thursday, December 4, 2008 7:11 PM

Wow alot of people on here are critical..

who ever said that 256 was the final decision? they could "easily" change it.. who knows? god its like you guys "want" to be let down you feed off of being presented with horrible info.. this thing isn't coming out for a while.. lolol

seriously

*gives you all chill pills*

Posted by Lobato87 - Friday, December 5, 2008 1:37 AM

You know I don't really care I already got an Elite for me and the Arcade for my brothers, and it works out fine because they are never going to go online. I did wanted to get them the pro but my dad didn't want to pay the difference from the arcade to the pro so that's all they get.

Posted by ANIMAZE24 - Friday, December 5, 2008 6:33 AM

ID RATHER SPEND $199 ON ANOTHER PSP UNLIKE THE 360 ARCADE PSP CAN JUST LIKE THE PS3 USE AN INTERNET BROWSER AND THE PSP HAS SATELLITE RADIO BUILT IN AS WELL AS SKYPE AND OTHER THINGS A NEW ADDITION IS THE PS STORE AT YOUR FINGER TIPS IS A HUGE PLUS BUT I MENTION THE PSP CAUSE WELL THERES NO NEED TO FLAME IT SINCE MICROSOFT HAS YET TO RELEASE A HAND HELD AN ITS A BETTER PURCHASE I WAS GONNA GET A XBOX BUT I TALLIED THE PRICE I WOULD HAVE TO PAY 199 FOR THE BASIC ARCADE JUST TO PLAY SOME GAMES BUT THNE I HAVE MY ROUTER HOOKED UP IN ANOTHER ROOM SO ID HAVE TO SPEND $99 MORE ON THE WIFI ADAPTER THING SO ABOUT 300 SO FAR BUT THEN I WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR XBOX LIVE THATS ANOTHER 50 A YEAR OR 7.99 A MONTH SO 350 OR 307.99 NOW YOU CAN SEE THE XBOX IS A MONEY PIT

Posted by ANIMAZE24 - Friday, December 5, 2008 6:40 AM

I DIDNT EVEN ADD THE PRICE FOR THE GAMES ITS A ECONOMIC STAND POINT NOT A CONSOLE WAR OPINION ONCE YOU TAKE AWAY YOUR ALLIANCE TO CERTAIN COMPANIES AND REALIZE THE LONG RUN AMOUNT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE I GOT A PS3 I PAID 499 FOR THE ORIGINAL 80 GB I CAN BUY WHAT EVER GAMES I WANT PLAY GAMES ONLINE WITH MY FRIENDS NO FEES HOLD CHATS TALK SMACK SHARE PHOTOS BROWSE THE NET WHEN I DONT FEEL LIKE TURNING ON MY PC THEN JUMP RIGHT INTO A GAME IM GETTING MY MONEYS WORTH IF XBOX LIVE WAS FREE THE ARCADE CAME WITH BETTER MEMORY IT HAD BUILT IN WIRELESS OUT OF THE BOX THEN YES I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY COULD REALLY HURT SONY BUT FOR NOW THE PS3 IS THE BETTER ECONOMIC CHOICE AND YES U CAN WATCH BLU RAY WITHOUT A HDTV THE PICTURE IS STILL AMAZING

Posted by ANIMAZE24 - Friday, December 5, 2008 6:42 AM

I DIDNT EVEN ADD THE PRICE FOR THE GAMES ITS A ECONOMIC STAND POINT NOT A CONSOLE WAR OPINION ONCE YOU TAKE AWAY YOUR ALLIANCE TO CERTAIN COMPANIES AND REALIZE THE LONG RUN AMOUNT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE I GOT A PS3 I PAID 499 FOR THE ORIGINAL 80 GB I CAN BUY WHAT EVER GAMES I WANT PLAY GAMES ONLINE WITH MY FRIENDS NO FEES HOLD CHATS TALK SMACK SHARE PHOTOS BROWSE THE NET WHEN I DONT FEEL LIKE TURNING ON MY PC THEN JUMP RIGHT INTO A GAME IM GETTING MY MONEYS WORTH IF XBOX LIVE WAS FREE THE ARCADE CAME WITH BETTER MEMORY IT HAD BUILT IN WIRELESS OUT OF THE BOX THEN YES I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY COULD REALLY HURT SONY BUT FOR NOW THE PS3 IS THE BETTER ECONOMIC CHOICE AND YES U CAN WATCH BLU RAY WITHOUT A HDTV THE PICTURE IS STILL AMAZING

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