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'Gears of War 2' Multiplayer Patch Requests

Posted by Brian Leahy - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:11 PM

We spent almost all weekend with Gears of War 2. We beat the campaign and horde and jumped into the matchmaking for some competitive multiplayer.

While the offering is definitely improved over the original Gears of War, we noticed some problems that we'd like to see addressed in Epic's first title update that is hopefully coming soon.

Bugs:

  • Weapon Sliding - Weapon sliding (picking up weapons while moving) appears to be back and definitely ruins the map balance. The game is designed in a way that makes picking up a power weapon immediately usually results in a quick death as the pickup animation plays. Being able to grab the Boomshot while moving into cover hurts the multiplayer, especially since this was a bug in the first Gears of War...
  • Voice Chat With Dead Players Between Rounds - This is a minor bug that we think will be definitely be fixed, but between rounds dead players cannot converse with players that survived the round. Again, this is a Gears of War 1 launch bug and we're sad to see it crop up again. We're not suggesting dead players should talk with the living while the game is being played, but they shouldn't be restricted from chatting between rounds.
  • Annex / King of the Hill Framerate - Games of Annex and King of the Hill tend to suffer from framerate drops and lag as the pile of body parts surrounding the capture point grows and grows. To us, this seems like there should just be a hard limit on the amount of gibs allowed at any one time.
  • Invite All In What's Up? - Hitting the Back Button in the What's Up? Menu (which we love, by the way) sends game invites to everybody on your friend list whether they be online in Gears, online in any other game, and even offline... we're assuming it's only meant to invite friends currently playing Gears of War 2.

Hit the jump for the rest of our list.

Removed Gears of War Features

Matchmaking is a very welcome addition to Gears, but we noticed some dropped features from the original that we'd like back.

  • Map Rotation / Cycle - In the first game, private multiplayer games followed the classic map cycle format with a lobby before the game started. While Epic has made it easier to change up options without having to re-host a game it currently knocks everyone back to the pre-map lobby after each game. This drastically slows the action down as everyone is forced to reconnect to the host. Most of the time the host just hits start right away to choose the next map. Why not give the host the power to "Return To Lobby After This Game" or "Return To Lobby Now", but bring map cycles back?
  • "Ready" Icon - With 10 people in a private game (or even a party of 5 for Horde) it's tough to tell who's ready and who has stepped away to grab a drink or go to the bathroom.

Game Balance

This is a very subjective section, but we definitely stand by our initial impressions of the new game balance so far:

  • Super Powered Chainsaw - We aren't sure if its the new netcode or if Epic just really wants the Lancer and chainsaw to be the new shotgun, but it's staggering how hard it is to shoot someone out of the chainsaw before they hit you right now. In our tests, it's really only reliable to counter a chainsaw charge with a chainsaw of your own. We've started dropping our shotguns for power weapons now instead of the Lancer. Chainsaw charging is the new shotgun charging.
  • Shotgun - The shotgun seems drastically underpowered at close range and is unreliable. Blind-firing it is inaccurate, but that isn't our problem. At a few steps away, the shotgun sometimes takes 3 hits to down somebody. This is a big change from the original and we want our trusty shotty back. Epic already threw in stopping power to stop somebody from roadie running right up to you and one-shotting you, but was it really necessary to tone the shotgun down at the same time?
  • Mortar - The mortar fires way to quickly and can be fired from cover. By the time the shells are falling, the mortar operator can be lining up his next shot while his targets scramble to a nearby building. We're not saying that it should be removed, but the risk of use needs to be increased beyond a slow move speed, especially on maps like Day One where the mortar spawns on a catwalk with ample cover overlooking a giant open map... it's placed well on Jacinto and Avalanche. Actually, just move it on Day One. Thanks.
  • Grenades - Grenades seem much more powerful, which is fine, but we have an issue. Shooting wall-planted grenades takes too long and is often difficult from a safe distance. The explosion from a planted 'nade is so quick that it's nearly impossible to avoid if you get caught by one. We'd like to be able to clear them safely for having the foresight to check for them.

Don't get us wrong. We absolutely love the game, but some of these issues confuse us, especially the bugs from the first game that have come back

What would you like to see changed in the first patch for Gears of War 2?




Comment(s)

Posted by Phategod - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:25 PM

I haven't played Multiplayer VS yet but I hear that I can't select the boards on my own and there stuck on random is this true.

Posted by blakseed - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:30 PM

Let me be the first to take back all of the negative things I said about this game, before I owned it. It kills Gears one in every way. I've been alternating between this and R2 all weekend. Horde mode is fun as hell, but the matchmaking takes a damn hour to find players and start a match. It's no Gears 1.5. Retracted.

Posted by bleahy - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:32 PM

@mannholloway1,

Matchmaking let's everyone vote between two maps, exactly like Halo 3's or CoD4's veto system... you just know what the alternative is up front.

In private matches, the voting can be enabled or the host can select.

Posted by blindsideofthesun - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:32 PM

I dunno about you, but the whole "dead people not talking to the living" seems like less of a bug, and more like something that makes perfect sense. I don't want some dead guy giving his buddy the heads up as I'm about to go massacre him, especially now that dead folks can look around the map at will and give a whole tactical overview RTS style. Now that would make the gameplay unfair. I say leave the dead dead. You're dead buddy wouldn't be able to talk you out of a jam in real life, unless of course the force is strong with you. Unfortunately this is GoW, and not Star Wars, so deal with it.

Posted by Tibbs010 - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:34 PM

yes you get matched up by the computer...i wont even play wingman unless i join with a friend because of it

Posted by blakseed - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:34 PM

It seemed like it was easier than Gears one to me though.

Posted by bleahy - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:34 PM

@blindsideofthesun,

I'm talking about between rounds. There's no longer any risk of giving away enemy positions.

This isn't such a big deal for matchmaking, but in private matches with friends you can't chat with them during the 10-15 seconds between rounds.

Posted by silenced - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:36 PM

ya theses things on gears 2 dident bother me but ive been playing all weekend too and i have to agree its way better than the first gears and its no gear 1.5. i took a long time looking for ppl to on maltiplayer. the chainsaw on gears one i dont think i died once by it but on the gow 2 the chainsaw was used alot more.

Posted by urface789 - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:40 PM

yea the dead people can just tell the living people where evryone is and tht wuld just b too cheap

Posted by ookiepita - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:42 PM

the shotgun should be kept the same. it still does a lot of damage, it's just not overpowered anymore. besides, Gears of War 2 isn't Gears of War 1. New game, new rules.

Posted by milhouse91 - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:47 PM

I know I'm out of step by not being on X-Box Live, but I love that you can get most of the MP cheevos locally.

Posted by Haylo34 - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:47 PM

These bugs dont bother me at all. Gow2 is the best multiplayer game on 360 this year. ( That n halo 3 n cod 4)

Posted by kappakoin - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:48 PM

I think the weapons will need some getting use to that's all give it another week, plus I figured out how to stop lancer any way ( and it's not a glich or anything)

Posted by Phategod - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:48 PM

I hated the Shot Gun I'm glad it got toned down. It was too powerful.

Posted by bleahy - Monday, November 10, 2008 4:51 PM

@kappakoin,

Why don't you share your strategy?!

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:10 PM

I personally feel allthese patch ideas (ones posted by g4) should be fixed

SURE toning down shotgun is a huge thing, but comeon.. i was right in front of someone and 3 shots didnt even take them down, they got me down with a pistol, thats pathetic, if you have a shotgun barrel at your head ur pretty much pwned,

another issue is getting on matchmaking, the process is taking way to long, but then again its probably because theres tons of people trying to connect at once

Posted by ObSoL33tSNiiPer - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:13 PM

the shotgun just need more damage...seriously its a damn shotgun, there is no need for 3 shots point blank to kill somebody...

GEARS OF WAR 1 = BUILT FOR SHOTGUN

GEARS OF WAR 2 = BUILT FOR LANCER/CHAINSAW

Posted by ObSoL33tSNiiPer - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:15 PM

the shotgun in GOW2 just need to be toned up and have less range because its at weak as a pistol with the range of a pistol....i use my pistol over the shotgun and my lancer i just run at ppl with a chainsaw because when they shoot you you do not get stunned WHICH IS GAY!!!

Posted by ObSoL33tSNiiPer - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:16 PM

still this game is very fun and the story is even better than the 1st 1, overal i give this game a 9/10 but when they fix the issues with MP then i will give it a 10/10

Posted by mybum - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:19 PM

shot gun is waaaaay too weak. its only good in campaign and the hoemode. lancer is too noob, all they need to do is out number you and lancer one guy at once. shotgun should be much more effetive than lancer upclose. it should just like halo3's shotgun where shotgun dominates closerange. shot gun should b same as gears 1 but with shorter range so that lancer can dominate when its a midranged battle and shotgun dominates in close range battle. that would create more strategy and will make people think about dropping which gun for the sniper rifle

Posted by bucherbag - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:30 PM

i agree with that WHOLE list, those are all of my concerns and things that i wish they would patch, and to add one more... do something to the matchmaking so that when i have 4 people in my lobby it doesn't take 15 minutes to find ONE player or a game, seriously me and my friends sat in matchmaking for 15 minutes!

Posted by gumdrop_321 - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:46 PM

You have scope in with the shotgun, without a dout. You have to get used to the way it fires, but im more frustrated about the chainsaw not dropping when shot. yeah i like that it takes a few shots for the chainsaw to go down, but not that many shots! The thing i really hate and should be easy to fix is talking to the opposing team in the pregame lobby, and at the end of the match. You have to sit there for 20 seconds until you leave after the match. WHY 20 SECONDS, theres no stats to look at and nothing to do but listen to the other team either whining about loosing, using the worst of the english language to do it, or trash talking because they won with the same language. Thats what i dont get!

Posted by Warheart1188 - Monday, November 10, 2008 5:58 PM

I have only a few problems with the online. One is the slow matchmaking. I mean, seriously, I waited 7 minutes at one point and I found no team to play on. And I agree with the chainsaw being too powerful. I use it a lot but it's so hard to knock somebody out of revving it up. Also, although I'm glad the shotgun isn't as powerful, it seems it's too un-powerful. Really, other than that, I love the online and the overall game itself. Game of the Year, for me.

Posted by mr_nice_guy - Monday, November 10, 2008 6:10 PM

i was so happy when i heard the shotgun was underpowered for this game i cried a little NO MORE SHOTGUN FAIRY'S YAY!

and stop complaining about the chainsaw; its the games signature weapon, its noisy as hell, now there is stopping power so they cant charge you, when you stun some one w/ a reved up chain saw they have to rev it up again, and you can kill people when they are doing the chainsaw animation.

but i do think the smoke grenades should be less powerful

Posted by dude44213 - Monday, November 10, 2008 6:15 PM

i totally agree with this list especially the chainsaw because it seems impossible to make someone put it down unless you shoot them pointblank in the face with the underpowered shotgun and even then sometimes they dont.but i also wanna say that i think the scorcher either needs to be powered down a little or the range cut cuz its impossible to get away once youre gettin torched and if its possible to put some sort of social match;basically public but you can bring in a guest cuz it sucks having to get 8-10 people in a private match so you can have a good game.overall all though this game is tight!

Posted by Spish0 - Monday, November 10, 2008 6:46 PM

They should bring back Player Matches where you get to choose what mode, how many rounds, whether it is weapon swapped etc.. and then see the list of games available and choose which one you'd like to join (the system in Gears of War 1). This allows you to start up a game that you want to play instead of waiting for a long time and finally getting into a match but instead of playing a Warzone match which you intended to play, you always get stuck into Execution matches. And another thing is that often I'll select a weapon with the d-pad and instead of going left or right, it goes up or down. It's not my controller because it was fine in Gears 1 when I played it the day before Gears 2 launched and other people are suffering from this as well. The chainsaw and shotgun were mentioned so the only other problem that needs to be fixed are the various glitches.

Posted by 1nitial_D - Monday, November 10, 2008 6:54 PM

the mortar rounds take way to long to fire and they have such a short range its hard to hit people.

Posted by illadelph - Monday, November 10, 2008 6:59 PM

I think ur bitching way to much. If u want all of ur old Gears of War 1 things back than play that...this is a new game...a better, bigger, more badass Gears!

Its the game it was meant to be now and I hope epic leaves it the way it is just fix some lil bugs and the speed match making starts up is way to slow.

Posted by bleahy - Monday, November 10, 2008 7:08 PM

@Spish0,

Player matches are in. Select "Private Xbox Live"

Posted by xXKrZyXb3aStXx - Monday, November 10, 2008 7:34 PM

honestly im cool wit evrything in da game xcept how long it takes 2 get into a frickn multiplayer match. i h8 goin into matchmaking on this game. they shooda made it way easier like CoD 4 but i hav no other problems

Posted by asayfie - Monday, November 10, 2008 7:42 PM

I love Gears 2 but I do have a few gripes...
1. Player matches were a lot more fun when they had the come and go, cycle through with the same group feel. I dont want to have to go back to the menu and strike up a search that takes waaaaay to long to find a game after every games end.
2. The diving after actions like picking up weapons and hopping barriers is unreliable, unlike Gears 1. After going an action and diving backwards, the camera often rotates sending you in the opposite direction. Gears 1 perfected the diving movement.
3. Although the chainsaw is an iconic component of Gears, it is being waaaay to heavily abused in online play because it is very difficult to bring down once the enemy has it reved. PLEASE FIX THIS!! I WANT MY SHOTGUN BACK!!
4. It takes soooo long to fing matches, which is odd considering how many people are on. Maybe this is percisely the reason it is so slow, but this still seems backwards.

Posted by Cellcheck - Monday, November 10, 2008 8:30 PM

matchmaking is slower than halo 3

Posted by KYLB0T - Monday, November 10, 2008 8:55 PM

Hearing that the weapon slide is back is really bad. So now they have to fix that, the chainsaw, and the slow as hell matchmaking.

Here is a video of the slow matchmaking

http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=txuZOMcqA7s

Posted by hellrazer360 - Monday, November 10, 2008 11:09 PM

man i FOR SURE agree that the shotgun needs more power and reliability...its like epic wanted to appeal more to noobs that just use chainsaw and not to people that know how to wallbounce and use the shotgun skillfully like me....the shotty needs the biggest improvment...also why the helll do smoke grenades stun you..its a freakin smoke grenade not a stun grenade...its just throw your smoke in then charge into battle with the chainsaw revved...no thats not how it should be...you should have to use your shotgun skillfully...other than that this game owns

Posted by saneroner - Monday, November 10, 2008 11:51 PM

asayfie. i agree with you bro. the shotgun in multiplayer doesnt feel the same as in gears 1 or as the one in the g2 campaign mode. i love the first gears and all it really needed was some tweaking not reinventing.

Posted by Kallazar - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:52 AM

Nade thing: agree. Shooting it needs to be easier.
The chainsaw: What? I get stoped when using the chainsaw all the time, in fact, I get the chainsaw dropped when it doesn't seem like i've been shot, so...

As far as the shotty goes, yeah, a little unreliable, but c'mon. It kinda sucks when matches boil down to dive and shoot games of tag. You now have a little risk when using it, and that can keep things shook up. I think it's a nice touch.

Posted by Leonita - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:31 AM

1. In story on the boad getting stuck, and not able to run into the mouth, over and over.

2. Shot gun has now become a usless club and not a good club. Just make it like it works in story. With lag the chainsaw battle is almost pointless.

3. set up a rematch selection. Many times its close and you want to play again. Also map cycle and weapon swap would be nice.

Posted by GreedyMcNasty - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:43 AM

Very cool to know all your gears 1 mod controllers work on gears 2. New usb mods on the way, weapon slide will always be there. Game is not even a week old and the cheating and lag is in full effect. Welcome to the future of video games we will slowly get back to single player games and co op will rule. Multi player will go way of the dino if LIVE can't stop it whats the point.

Posted by duoxman - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:19 AM

I want to be able to play execution/annex only if I want, not having to vote for it and hopefully it gets picked.

Posted by Blue_Mystic_Ninja - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:39 AM

All I know is setting up a public match is a huge issue. While the lobby is searching for players that match the rankings of me or my friends in my team, it just then stop searching then searches again then stops again. That's absolutely ridiculous. It has to be fixed. I'm getting tired of having bugs we all have mentioned wasting my time.

Posted by blakseed - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:44 AM

It went from shotgun duels, to chainsaw duels. Now you just have people sprinting at you full speed revving up. That usually ends up in a duel unless I stun them out of it, or their f'ing team mate comes up from behind and gets my ass first. One match, it was nothing but people running around revving their lancers. Hell I almost miss the high powered shotguns.

Posted by zanza69 - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:08 AM

I only have one problem, matchmaking is WAY too slow. I sat in matchmaking for 10 minutes without finding an opposing team. ive only played MP 2 times because of that, and it kills me cause MP is so bad a$$!

Posted by captnslapahoe - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:34 AM

the need to fix the out of map bug also. there all over youtube showing players how to do it.

Posted by UndiscoveredBum - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:15 AM

please god fix the lag/servers and put the laggy brits/aussies/euro trash on their on server. THAT ruins multiplayer....not voice chat between rounds

battle.net has had split servers for like 10 years....lag free....why cant anyone on any system pick this concept up

Posted by UndiscoveredBum - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:19 AM

please god fix the lag/servers and put the laggy brits/aussies/euro trash on their on server. THAT ruins multiplayer....not voice chat between rounds

battle.net has had split servers for like 10 years....lag free....why cant anyone on any system pick this concept up

Posted by SpotRamer - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:50 AM

matchmaking is super slow!!!
I want a 10 minute round of a good ol regular team deathmatch with infinite respawns none of that one die bullshiznit...I die a lot sometimes!!! Thats really it!

Posted by petjapel12 - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:04 AM

At least their are fixing the problems in multiplayer that are ruining the online fun. It is not fair to other people of how others know these bugs and gives them an unfair advantage. I play by the rules of this game and will always do so. That is why I do not need to change my motives.

Posted by Cerpint - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:08 AM

My biggest problem is Matchmaking...If you're not already in a party it can take forever. On top of that it boots you out on your own again after every match. Which in turn takes another infinity to find a new match...

Oh yeah and the Nerfed Shoty sucks hard!!!!!

Posted by uptowngfx - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:55 AM

SHOTTY BLAST IS WEAK CLOSE RANGE
MULTIPLAYER MATCHMAKING TAKES FOREVER AND A DAY
NADES ARE FINE TO ME
A CHAINSAW RULING OVER CLOSE RANGE SHOTTY??? WTF!
6-8 PERSON FREE-FOR ALL WOULD BE NICE
WHATS THE POINT OF CRAWLING WHEN YOU CAN'T REVIVE YOURSELF....THATS WACK.JUST KILL ME. MAKES NO SENSE TO CRAWL FOREVER WHEN THERES ONLY 1 MEMBER OF EACH TEAM LEFT. ITS STUPID.

OTHER THAN THAT THE GAMES PRETTY GOOD.

Posted by mikefryloc - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:17 AM

The biggest problem that I see is matchmaking. I really don't have a problem with the shotgun being nerfed. I hated the little "shotgun dance" that made up most of the last game's multiplayer. As far as the chainsaw goes I get shot twice and it revs down so i don't know exactly what is going on there. Smokes are fine. The scorcher is supposed to be ridiculous just like the boomshot. shooting nades needs work it should take two or three shots max i mean they are explosives for pete's sake. I don't use the lancer as much as the hammerburst I love the increased accuracy and the new rate of fire.

Posted by miahdavis - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:30 AM

1. Shotgun is a paper weight
2. Unable to leave a game when needed to (when it's time to go it's time to go)
3. Sliding into cover and automatically climbing over really sucks when your trying to just stay in cover
4. MORE GOLDEN WEAPONS!! It was a great idea and so many people love it.
5. More Horde Levels
6. MORE MORE MORE GEARS OF WAR 2!

We really shouln't bitch. This game is amazing and Epic deserves all of the credit in the world. But if I was doing an update, I guess this is what I would want to consider. Thanks for a great game, it was worth the wait.

Posted by CapoNyCPR80 - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:35 AM

i agree whit the shoty issue
plus the game itself plays whit lag
anyone agree?

Posted by magopus6 - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:43 AM

i am willing to bet that EPIC and cliff will all take these into consideration as a fix when they release a new map pack, or even a patch to download. these may not seem to be huge problems to most, but annoyances that need to be taken into consideration

Posted by PurpleMongooseNinja - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:25 AM

whatever happened to launching a game that doesn't have any bugs in it? i don't know about you but booting a game for the first time and then finding out that it's loaded with bugs turns me off to the whole online experience. i understand that it takes more time to develop a game nowadays but then take the extra time to make sure that everything works correctly...when people discovered a glitch in MGO and everyone started using it i said to hell with this game i'm done with MGO. i know there were no reported glitches but i'm just sayin in general...make sure a game is bug free before it's launched instead of forcing us to "expect" a patch in the future.

Posted by AngelofRevival - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:20 PM

I really hope Epic reads this. The balancing issues definitely need fixing.

Posted by dantekratos300 - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:41 PM

Shotgun underpowedered, hell! That's my problem

Posted by BryanB93 - Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:18 PM

I am not sure if it is me but I talked to some people over live and both mine and some fellow Gearsers Matchmaking TAKES FOREVERRRRRRRR
If this is my problem tell me how to fix it

Posted by The_Locust_Are_Here - Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:15 AM

ok..chainsaw ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to be fixed.. Point blank shotgun shots dont stun people with a chainsaw revved? WTF is that? I mean.. a point blank shotty to the face should blow somebody up..but then again they screwed the shotty..

they need to fix the Matchmaking too.. its almost impossible to find a game by yourself.

KEEP THE WEAPON SLIDE!!!! YOU STILL GET KNOCKED OVER BY A SMOKE NADE ANYWAY!!!!!

Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:59 AM

maybe the reason the dead players can't talk is cause they can use a ghost camera and give up the hiding spots of the opposing players?

Posted by SHaIDoVV - Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:56 AM

I agree with everything but the shotgun complaint. It takes a lot more skill and timing to use, but very rarely does it falter up close. I would like to see a small patch, but nothing that would force me to re-learn a shotty I have just re-learned.

Posted by Eternalsoul77 - Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:55 PM

The power of the shotgun is perfect, what Epic needs to fix is the fire rate. Its too dificult to protect yourself when you get in close, all you can do is chainsaw. My main beef with the multiplayer is the server, I pay good money for my internet, and with this server, it a waste, they need to find matches by signal strength not rank. If I went into a match in gears 1 I wouyld find a good conection, in gears2 I have no choice, and whats up with the 15 second down time in execution, might as well call it warzone 2.0. Horde gets alot of atention and it deserves it, but if you had to play on the same servers in horde as in elimination, you would be pissed. And make private matches open to the public, not just to friends!!

Posted by hellenicdemigod - Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:50 AM

Part 1 I pretty much agree with everything you just said so hopefully Epic will read these post. Also i want to mention that the match making should be set up to where if people drop out of a game it will balance the party out so this way it is not 5 on 2 because that is just a waste of time.

Posted by hellenicdemigod - Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:53 AM

Part 2 Also I don’t mind the voting what maps and game types will be played it is better then Halos way of having everything random. but it would be nice to be able to set up your own party room and be able to custom your own game and have it open to the public. Or to not allow voting at certain times for example if u and your friends just want to play war zone all night you should be able to. Question why cant guest play online anymore or have i not figured it out yet?

Posted by hellenicdemigod - Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:56 AM

Part 3 I am not a big fan of the new maps there is to much stuff going on. i find my self playing the old maps more which makes the game feel like gears 1 and that is just a waste of money to play them over again.. i hope the new map pack they make will have more open maps where it is not easy to get lost

Posted by hellenicdemigod - Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:00 AM

Part 4 I don't like the new smoke/ flash bang grenades it is stupid that it knocks you over and that everyone starts with them. before any killing goes on everyone is just being knocked down this really slows the game down. why not make those grenade ones you pick up on the map and only the collect few will have them. What would be nice is to have a Stun grenade instead that just make u dizzy like call of duty that would be much tighter and make for a more balanced game play i think.

Posted by hellenicdemigod - Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:02 AM

Part 5 Lastly where is the Berserker?? why is he not in Horde Mode It would be bad ass if he was in there throw a few of them in there why your at it… i think having more achievements for Horde would be sweet for example beat Horde on every map or something or on 4 different maps.

Part 6 All in all I love the game Epic has done a good job, and made a good game, but sorry to say the Multiplayer online feels the same as Gears 1 and i am a little disappointed but i love the party system and game types for the most part. The Campaign is sweet and of course the new executions are freakin awesome . That’s my two cents hope yall agree

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:47 PM

1. Make certain walls Non Stickable.
Ex:
On pavilion, the grenades spawn at the player spawn. there is only 1 way in/out. The team can just hunker down, tag almost every wall, and sit it out while the enemy team Tries to play the game legitimately and just gets killed by nifty wall tagging.

2. Less maps with crazy things going on. I enjoy the Razor hail, the seeder, and the avalanche every now and then, but it seems that those maps come about more often in the rotation

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:48 PM

3. Less with the old, more with the new. I go into MM wanting to play Guardian, and i get to vote between Warzone and Execution. What gives?

4. Fix the vaulting. It seems that i can't jump over cover without getting stuck on top, then rolling around, and then jumping back to where i started.
the Campaign textures. Very good job, EPIC.

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:49 PM

5. Less with the stun, please? i can be around a corner from a smoke granade, and STILL be stunned. then depending on where i'm standing, my player might get stuck to the corner of the cover i was at, and be down for 7+ seconds.

6. Guardian Team Spawns; Don't have the enemy team spawn where the Guardian is. I went into the enemy spawn because my entire team rushed the enemy guardian. We cleared everyone out, but killed the guardian after the respawn timer, then 3 people respawned behind us, and chainsawed each of us. Pretty Crappy, if you ask me.

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:50 PM

7. Chainsaw Shotgun? This has happened to me 2 times only, but when it happens, it's always game causing. Look into it.

8. Trying to roll backwards in a rush always results in a foreward roll. It REALLY sucks when i know a torque is focusing on me, i try to run backwards for cover, but end up running foreward and look like a noob.

9.Deployable Cover; Sometimes it is pushed up into the air, making it impossible to knock down or get around, EX: ramp on Day 1, Arcade side.

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:51 PM

10. Wingman; Less Boomshot. If spawning at the Boom on River, you can go up either ramp and get an easy 3 to 4 kills off the bat.

11. Boomshot in general; Longer respawn time, 2 shots [like gears 1]

12. Shotgun; it seems okay at the moment. it would be nice if firing from the hip wasn't so off. i can't tell you how many times i've smacked someone in the face, shot them point blank, and then gotten chainsawed because the shots missed [even if the muzzle of the gun was literally inside the opponent]

Those are 12 problems i see.
out of the thousands of good things i've experienced, this game is still amazing

Especially

Posted by a_liver - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:55 PM

I agree with the statement that the chainsaw is too powerful. Also that they toned down the shotty too much. Stopping power prevents from rushing in, so doesn't that even it out if the shotty is the same? I know they are different games but a shotty is a shotty, and it should stop the chainsaw with one hit. The grenades also seem to have a very large blast radius. And the only other thing I would want fixed is the multiplayer, parties are awesome but it takes a really long time to find a game. Maybe try not looking for even skill levels? I dunno it takes like 20 minutes to get into a 5 round-to-win game and then you have to do it all over again.

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:57 PM

13, actually;

It seems that if i try to rev my chainsaw a second after being shot, i am stunned. But if my chainsaw is going while i'm being shot, i am never stunned, and either get the kill, or am blown to bits from a lucky shotgun burst.

Posted by dmg04 - Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:10 PM

13, actually;

It seems that if i try to rev my chainsaw a second after being shot, i am stunned. But if my chainsaw is going while i'm being shot, i am never stunned, and either get the kill, or am blown to bits from a lucky shotgun burst.

Posted by Scottg1989 - Friday, November 14, 2008 3:43 AM

Everything seems to be covered on here for the faults I mean.

The patch I want most is to make it so I can pick a match I want to play in public games instead of voting.

Posted by Paolo_Savage - Friday, November 14, 2008 7:12 AM

Ok so we all know this is gears 2. new rules, new tactics. But why take components and try to mash them into a multiplayer that wasn't polished? My list of things wrong with muliplayer.

1.It's very easy to tell who is host in the match. Still too overpowered

2.Connection plays a HUGE role in the team who is going to win.

3.Weapon sliding! I don't care if you NOOBS say it's MLG rules. Does the game tell you how to do it in tutorial?

4.Foreign connections. Do I really need to be subjected to the laggy connection from people of other contries?

5. Stopping power. Now listen i love the idea. It is a great additon, But it is TOO OVERPOWERED. i understand slowing down but becoming paralyzed?

Posted by Paolo_Savage - Friday, November 14, 2008 7:14 AM

6.Shotgun (Sh#tgun) Is only useable if you're host or have a great connection, Fix this asap.

7.Character movements are slow and unresponsive. Just to get the feel i had in gears1 i had to turn my sensitivities all the way to high.

8. Unstoppable Chainsaw. Yup no one gets stunned.

9. Game types. Do i really have to be subject Noobs who always want to do execution when i want to do warzone?

10. Planted nades. Every doorway is a death trap now. there is no way of being able to avoid a planted nade unless you are able to see it.

11. smoke knockdown. Its random how quickly you get back up from being knocked down form a smoke nade.

Posted by Paolo_Savage - Friday, November 14, 2008 7:16 AM

Every Hardcore gears fan feels this way. I know things weren;t perfect in gears 1 but i felt it was more intense and action packed.

And before you flame me here for this list because you think im B@tching. I'm sure I'm a more loyal gears fan than you.

Gears 1 Stats
40k kills
24k deaths
NEVER HOST

Gears 2 stats
ranked# 170 warzone alltime

p.s. Kids who sucked at gears1 love gears2. Noobs


Paolo So Savage - XBL gamertag, Looks me up ladies.

Posted by Paolo_Savage - Friday, November 14, 2008 7:19 AM

Every Hardcore gears fan feels this way. I know things weren;t perfect in gears 1 but i felt it was more intense and action packed.

And before you flame me here for this list because you think im B@tching. I'm sure I'm a more loyal gears fan than you.

Gears 1 Stats
40k kills
24k deaths
NEVER HOST

Gears 2 stats
ranked# 170 warzone alltime

p.s. Kids who sucked at gears1 love gears2. Noobs


Paolo So Savage - XBL gamertag, Looks me up ladies.

Posted by AtTheGates911 - Friday, November 14, 2008 2:02 PM

I agree with everything Paolo_Savage said, especially his P.S.



Coming from Gears 1, where I wasn't even using the shotgun, except for when I'd run out of torque bow ammo (Not often. Maybe 2 shotgun kills a game out of 15 per 7 round match), I feel like this game has been flipped on it's axis solely for the benefit of people that weren't good at the first.

Competitive multiplayer is massively broken right now, and until they fix it, I won't go near it. I know Epic knows how to do multiplayer right, I just don't get how they dropped the ball so bad here.

Posted by ixkillj0yxi - Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:47 PM

ye pretty much all gow 2 is for the kids who sucked and only run around with their chainsaw revved, i mean why wouldn't they u can unload on them and they just run through cut u up like u never shot them. The shotgun sucks balls, ill b standing behind some1 and shoot them and theyll roll away and chainsaw me, its a shotgun it should kill people up close. I dont feel the shotgun in gow 1 was over powered it needed skill to be good. Right now the shotgun is as useful as a paperweight.

Posted by ixkillj0yxi - Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:49 PM

If you have a 4 person party don't expect to get a game. You need a full party or 2-3 people only. Horde is way to easy did all 50 in only a couple hours. Also the ranking system don't get me started. The idea is good, idfk who planned it out tho they need to be beaten wit a that useless paperweight of a shotgun. I swear they just randomly give out ranks. I compared stats with my friends to c wut they have that they are ranking up. One of my friends had 2 wins with 17 losses and a barely positive k/d ratio. Here i am with an almost positive win loss ratio (mainly because of that voting system kids dont get what they want and leave so im left with a 2 person team) and this kid ranked up wayyyyy before i did. but its not jsut him its like 4 of my firends that are higher than me have worse stats than me.

Posted by ixkillj0yxi - Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:50 PM

I dont quit games they do i jsut don't understand who made that system. by the way that whole win 3 in a row is bull. my firend didn't even have 3 wins and he ranked up and i had a like a 5 win streak going on and nuthing. I wish i could sya game of the year or excellent game other than that but i can't. Basically unless the game gets patched im goin back to halo.
COMPLAINTS:
1. weak shotgun
2. ridiculous chainsaw espeically with all the noobs out there
3. slow matchmaking
4. easy horde
5. ranking system
fix these and you may have the game of the year until that it will only be the biggest let down of the year. Good campaign though better than the first. (only thing that is better than the first.)

Posted by ixkillj0yxi - Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:52 PM

and i know that all the kids who were good at gow1 and liked it will agree with me

Posted by xxmorbitxx - Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:12 PM

well am not good at explains things so here you go.....ok right now theres alot of complaining about shotty online multiplayer on gow2..alot of ppl...And i mean ALOT of ppl love gears 1 more than gears 2....theres rumors going around tat the shotty suks now n its just boring shooting the lancer across the map n camping on gow2..they say gow 2 is much slower than the first 1..n its like playing a whole new different game online....i really think the shotty should feel like gow1 n the wall bounceing should be faster on gow2 n they should lower down the stopping power cuz its way to powerful n also when sombody is running at u with a chainsaw they dont even cancle out when u shoot them on gow2..also the shotty does not even kill up close in one shot anymore.. n u cant even roll n shoot as fast as gow1 n u cant pull out ur weapon as fast as gow1....

Posted by xxmorbitxx - Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:13 PM

and personaly i think the smoke gernade should not throw u down it should blind u cuz of the exsplosion it makes..or u should at least get up way faster..but i know its base on the lancer n tat the problem.. Epic has a WHOLE lot of fans from gow1 why lose n dissapoint your fans on gow2.. i do not get tat....n its not just me its all over the internet n on xbox live n evryone i talk to....well tats just my opinion be free to disgree with me but am sure if Epic fixed gow2 they would have WAY WAY WAY more fans than gow1..

Posted by bjones911 - Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:54 AM

@ ixkillj0yxi,

man i could not agree anymore with you. All my buddy's from gears of war 1 hate this new online bullcrap. Its just a whole bunch of meat head noobs that don't know how to play the game running around with the unstoppable chainsaw. Until the shotgun, especially the shotgun because it shoots god dam nerf balls right now is fixed, me and my friends are going back to Gears of War 1.

Biggest let down of the year by far, other than campaign.

Posted by pipskeke - Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:00 PM

i cant lvl up because the macthmaking sux the game is awesome but i would rather get pwned then wait 1 hour just to get pwned anyway im preety much stuck to private till this is fixed. fix while live is down for the new xbox live experience thats a good time

Posted by xxgodzwrathxx - Monday, November 17, 2008 9:14 AM

1. running behind a guy shooting him with a shotgun and not killing him but for him to turn and chainsaw me ,3 point blank shots should do the trick if not one the shotty seems sketchy its like taking a 50/50 chance will it work or not?
2. lag when firing your shoty i pull the trigger and it has a delay coming out, enough when moving forward i shoot the ground. I feel the amount that all of us spend on these game we all should be delay free.
3. death from a smoke grenade sometimes up to 5 times in king of the hill i will be knocked down and fly then die from flying somtimes knocked into the lava stuff or just from bouncing around too much.
4. Im another frustrated with shotgun shooting a lancer fanatic and still get chainsaw'ed even pistol whiping has no effect for me I hope epic with as many people here on this site you will get some insight on how much these things are effecting the enjoyment of the game

Posted by xRADIATIONx - Monday, November 17, 2008 9:47 AM

THINGS U NEED TO FIX

1. THE CHAINSAW- it is to strong and its gay cause u shoot some one like 2 times with it and they dont even get stund and they chainsaw u and there is no stune like in the first one.

2.SHOTGUN- big problem the is one of the most important things. the shot gun is to slow for one not powerful at all, takes to many shots so everyone just 2pieces everyone and it just ruined the game cause u cant wall bounce and more an it make noobs look good cause all they do is run around with the chainsaw, thing u should fix to is the blind fire with shot gun so in accurit. every one wants the shot gun to go back the way it was.

3.ranking system- missed up to slow and the rank dont make sence i loose mine for no reason i have over a hundred more wins then loses.

Posted by xxgodzwrathxx - Monday, November 17, 2008 1:08 PM

1. running behind a guy shooting him with a shotgun and not killing him but for him to turn and chainsaw me ,3 point blank shots should do the trick if not one the shotty seems sketchy its like taking a 50/50 chance will it work or not?
2. lag when firing your shoty i pull the trigger and it has a delay coming out, enough when moving forward i shoot the ground. I feel the amount that all of us spend on these game we all should be delay free.
3. death from a smoke grenade sometimes up to 5 times in king of the hill i will be knocked down and fly then die from flying somtimes knocked into the lava stuff or just from bouncing around too much.
4. Im another frustrated with shotgun shooting a lancer fanatic and still get chainsaw'ed even pistol whiping has no effect for me I hope epic with as many people here on this site you will get some insight on how much these things are effecting the enjoyment of the game

Posted by bjones911 - Monday, November 17, 2008 1:17 PM

hmm awesome and now there is no problems with any of my other games, they all read fine. Pop in Gears of War 2 and i get a Disc Unreadable Error. The game played fine for the first week, and now just doesn't even work. No visible scratches, no nothing. Now i gotta make another god damn trip to a games store to replace this game again or get my money back. Epic and Microsoft, whoever it is really messed this game up.

Posted by VIZZANITYisS1K - Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:46 AM

List of things for EPIC to fix before they are deemed the amateurs they are looking like right now.
1. CHAINSAW-
2. Shotgun reliability-
3. Tim Sweeney-
4. FRAMRATE-
5. Random time of Stun from Smoke-
6. Smoke Screen-
7. Shotgun LT Hold- No quick shots with shotty, need to hold LT for Shot to shoot?!?!?!?!?! Not a good desgin choice
8. HALF ARSONEL LAG!!!!!!!- Lag on half the guns in the game? Seems amateurish to me
9. Planted Grenades- Cool at first, now just annoying
10. Matchmaking- Blows hard and long. no need to say more on this one
11. Stopping Power? Not Quite- Stopping power seemed like a good idea, until the first time u start shooting a moving target and the "fire hose" doenst take effect until half way thru a clip.
12. Mulcher- Great name, too bad it doenst live up to it. Why do people go down instead of jibbing?
13. Navigation- I like the new roadie run smoothness, but i find it immpossible to vault over objects
14. Final Complaint- Red Angle Reticule

Posted by RonCho - Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:36 AM

First off I gotta say I really agree with Eternalsoul77, I don't think having ranked and public matches separate was a bad way to go... It reduced waiting time for matches and rank didn't matter... you didn't get kicked out and have to search again after a match. I for one also filled my friends list with ppl I played in those matches. This time around its just a 5 minute encounter with some kid who feels the need to cuss the whole time b/c he will never have to see you again.

Public matchmaking wasn't broken... don't fix it. I don't have time to wait for the computer to match me by rank... I don't care how good someone is I just want to play the game.

I miss the connection notifier... I wanna know if I'm walkin headfirst into super lag... I can't find over 3 of ten games that arent and its really bumming me out.

Posted by RonCho - Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:37 AM

overall... I feel gears two fixed most of the things we were complaining about in gears 1... but then they changed all the things we weren't as well... They haven't really responded to our problems either... I'm unimpressed with their service to their community and I'm pretty unimpressed with the multiplayer...

I just wanna thank everyone for sayin what too many people are thinking and lets all hope epic gets the message because we know they've got it in them to fix it.

Posted by ixkillj0yxi - Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:14 PM

my friend said they updated it a little with the new xbox update, i did notice a slight change but not as drastic as it needed to be. the shotgun is a little stronger but its still not where it shoudl be now u sometimes can get a 1 shot kill but is still unreliabale even up close. and the chainsaw does get stopped a little more but the kids who suck can still run through you. they need to chaneg it a little more.

Posted by SilentSniper - Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:56 PM

seriously they didnt even include the ability to leave a game while playing. The only way to leave is to join a friends game in progress. You could go to the dashboard or turn off the xbox, but last time i did that it wiped out my game saves.

Posted by cod4Sniper - Monday, November 24, 2008 5:55 PM

This is completely accurate and true. the only things that bother me are the shotgun, mortar and chainsaw/lancer changes. the shotgun is retarded and seariously takes away from the fun experience people shoeld have. The chainsaw is just frustrating, it seems that that is the only way someone is killed in multiplayer. you can just walk thru a shotgun blast and chainsaw somebody. this game is a step down from GoW1 in multi, but the story is a different storry, its great.

Posted by BELAR - Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:50 AM

I'm sure most player from gear 1 had one issue with the game that was only the lag, and i know Cliff was aware of this i sow him on an interview in 1up.com sayin that there was going to be less lag. thats why i dont undertand why this game was put out like this the lag is unberable at times, worst than it ever was in part one

I was happy to hear that the lancer was going to be stronger but making the shotty slower and less powerfull on top of that i think is no a good at of balancing the game. i welcome change but some of them are just messing up this game maybe limiting the amount of granade u can put in the was can go down maybe only one per caracter or three per team this would encourager comunication an team work and isnt it that what epic wants

Posted by chill5394 - Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:55 AM

need to say a few things, why is there bugs in this game? game makers should spend more time on good gameplay and not flashy grahpics....: \ GOW2 is a great game, matchmaking 2 slowz, chainsaw never getting dropped unless ur luck itself,underpowerd shotty, cheaters, standbys, LAG. Patch is prob needed for cheaters, and perhaps the shotty. I wouldnt care if this was the first one but CMON! how did the shotty become weaker from 1 to 2. Did technology downgrade????

Posted by chill5394 - Tuesday, December 9, 2008 4:00 AM

Overall gears of war 2 is a great game in my opinion but needs worked on the MP issues. Campaign is great, no beserkers? where they go? :) they were a pain neways lol ALSO getting stuck stunned by a smoke for 10+ seconds while glitching having a seizure or something kinda sux 2.

Posted by WickedStigma540 - Friday, December 12, 2008 12:35 PM

i think the main problems that need to be fixed are the chainsaw,the shotgun, and the fact that the smoke is over used in game modes like submission,and is never consistent with how long you are on the ground for.

Posted by WickedStigma540 - Friday, December 12, 2008 12:38 PM

i think the main problems that need to be fixed are the chainsaw,the shotgun, and the fact that the smoke is over used in game modes like submission,and is never consistent with how long you are on the ground for.

Posted by Kangeroo82 - Monday, December 22, 2008 9:44 AM

Here's my top 5 changes:

1) I think that warzone and execution are repetitive and one of them should be exchange for a "team slayer" type as games in Gears are generally too short in the elimination category and waiting times are too long in the multiplayer mode.

2) Behind the back shotguns should be stronger and should be able to take out an opponent especially when doing the same would do an instant kill frontside.

3) Create more ranks!!! It'll make GoW2 more competitive and differentiates skilled players more. I think that a medic rank would be awesome too!

Posted by Kangeroo82 - Monday, December 22, 2008 9:45 AM

4) Hammerburst needs to be more powerful to compensate for losing the chainsaw.

5) With Microsoft party options, people are talking to each other even when they are dead. There needs to be an auto mute button for all players (in game and in xbox chat) when a player dies OR just let everyone talk. It's interesting to hear smack talk with there is sudden death.

Well, I still have fun playing GoW2, but there are definite changes that would make gameplay more effective.

P.S. I would also like GoW2 to have more custom controller types for legency as it is hella hard to run with this awesome controller setting.

Posted by rich59883 - Monday, January 12, 2009 1:18 PM

Will the sniper rifle be fixed also? I know a couple of people, friends, me, who feel that the sniper in gears 1 was alot easier to use than in gears 2.

Posted by rich59883 - Monday, January 12, 2009 1:27 PM

And i don't think anything is wrong with weapon sliding cuz well... i dont wanna pick up a weapon then immediatly get my head popped off. But the shield glitch makes me mad.

Posted by Skillzfinest - Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:11 PM

Would be lovely if they actually placed an (EXP)
bar. The ranking system now is not really understandable to many. Really confusing, and hard to even know if we're close to ranking up or not.

Posted by gearzzz - Saturday, April 11, 2009 2:06 PM

how about in horde you can pick sides i know this is suposed to be a patch but i mean in number 3 if u pick locust side u fight a lot of cog recruits and as u get higher maybe it could be like the seasoned gear hardened gear rookie gear thing, then at the end u probably half to fight marcus,cole ect. .

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