G4TV

News From The Feed

'Mad World' Brings Back Violent Game Debate

Posted by Patrick Roche-Sowa - Friday, October 31, 2008 11:43 AM

Back in 2005, California law makers attempted to pass a law that banned the sale or rental of violent video games from being sold to anyone under the age of 18, fining establishments who violate this law $1,000 per offense. The law was slapped down by the San Jose courts in 2007, saying that it violated the First Amendment. However, new games have resparked the debate, and the 9th District Court of Appeals will now review the original decision. Apparently, Mad World, which is set to release for the Nintendo Wii in the spring, is at the center of this debate.

"It defies logic to suggest that our founding fathers intended to adopt a First Amendment that would guarantee children the right to purchase a video game wherein the player is rewarded for interactively causing a character to take out a shovel and bash the head of an image of a human being," wrote Deputy Attorney General Zackery Morazzini, representative of the Schwarzenegger administration in a court breif. "This is the same technology the armed forces use to help soldiers kill the enemy," said state Sen. Leland Yee, the Democrat who wrote the legislation. "All we're saying is, 'Don't sell it to kids.' " Hit the Read More link for the counterpoint.

"The same argument has been made again and again throughout the history of the country about books, about movies, about comic books and now about video games," said Jennifer Mercurio, director of government affairs for a national group that represents gamers. "The way this law is drafted comes up against hundreds of years of First Amendment issues."

But the most sound argument came from Allison Schubert, co-founder Lunabean.com. "Parents buy violent video games for their kids because they either don't know any better, or they believe their children can handle mature games. Either way, parents and kids would benefit from video game education, not video game laws." I'll default to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young on this way and simply say, teach your children well.

Source




Comment(s)

Posted by plato2788 - Friday, October 31, 2008 12:24 PM

maybe if the kids parents would get off their lazy ass...and not let their kids buy the game in the first place...

this is just what gamers need, once they pass one law, it'll just lead to more...

"if you give a mouse a cookie..."

Posted by Rast07 (BANNED) - Friday, October 31, 2008 12:54 PM

Though I believe kids really do seperate themselves from the dream world of video games once they're done playing them, Sen. Leland Yee saying "This is the same technology the armed forces use to help soldiers kill the enemy" brings up a very solid point.

I think our "Army" using video games to train their soldiers will be the downfall of this whole mess. It has, and will, put a bad name to video games as we know it now and into the future. That breaks the boundaries of 'fantasy' and destroys the mentality that games are harmless and won't turn you into a killer.

I think kids need to stay away from the violent stuff at least until they're 16 and they have less of a chance of becoming some homicidal gun-toting Army brat that shoots up some place.

Posted by gambitjuggalo - Friday, October 31, 2008 1:01 PM

non gamers can be such pricks . it teaches kids violence well simple then dont let them buy it. the argument to that is they could get it from a friend... well then the parent of that child is irresponsible so no matter what argument they have it all falls back to the parents. take it out on them not the gamers and our video games.

Posted by jamestkirk69 - Friday, October 31, 2008 1:14 PM

ok, it IS the place of the parent to make proper choices on the behalf of their children, we "thought" as gamers we were compinsating for human stupidity fair enough by creating a very clear and affective rating system.. apperently not...

well, i'm worried by the slipperly slope prospect of this law being in-acted, but alas some sacrifices need to be made, to again compinsate for the stupidity of others.. so in-act this law, ban the sale of "m" and "ao" rated games to minors, but leave it at that!

also, much like the rating system, this may very well allow for game developers to make games the way they would like without the scrutainy of contravoursy

Posted by black_box_of_boredom - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:10 PM

well it seems like our (freedom of choice)once again is being attacked. so surprising. even china has more democracy then us everytime u tern to a channel gov did this gov did that how are u gonna take away are games if u do that then see what kind of killin u started see what kind of loose cannons u just let out of there cages i for one know many ppl good with sniper guns and stuff in the virtual world wich statictics show that video games improve eye sight and reaction time.so i hope they piss alot of gamers off just so we can see what will hapen

Posted by felixtheswordsman - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:29 PM

"This is the same technology the armed forces use to help soldiers kill the enemy."

Wow. Logical fallacy much? I really don't understand how people can come up with this crap. Yes, the armed forces use a little (very little) VR training. Yes VR training can be associated to video games through the use of interactivity and translate it into visual input. Does that make the army's VR training a video game? No. Every square may be a quadrilateral, but not every quadrilateral is a square.

Posted by felixtheswordsman - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:30 PM

What needs to be done is to put into place fines for any store found to be selling video games to minors. That would fix this retail store leak that sparks all of this controversy. Not everyone here likes Gamestop, but look at their policy - Employees found to be selling games to minors get canned. Why can't Wal Mart or Target get off of their lazy asses and place similar policies?

Regardless, this legislation will be shot down, just as it always has. Mad World is still a long way from the Hot Coffee incident, and the lagislation wasn't passed then, so it won't pass now.

And why isn't anyone getting on the movie industry about this? Has anyone from the government even seen Saw?!

Posted by MastrChieaf - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:32 PM

Last time I checked there was a rating system to keep this from happning.I guess people forgot about that.Or there is the possiblity that parents are leting there kids by the games.But how is that every body elses fault in truth this can be blamed on parents.Not all parents just the ones that let there kids play these games.But I think that alot of people who have kids know M=Bad for little kids (little 1-15) but that is what I think when kids are old enough to drive,
then they should be old enough to play M rated games.

Posted by felixtheswordsman - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:32 PM

And does anyone else find it particularly hilarious that Mad World is at the center of all this? It's a Wii game!

No Mature games on Wii, my ass!

Posted by TheAuracle - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:44 PM

Speaking of Wii games given an adult rating, there is a special Brothers in Arms for the Wii...

But I digress. I just became a dad back in August. Well before this momentous occasion, it always sickened me how parents these days are using the Courts as their firearm to shoot down artistic expression because they let the said game/film/book/album/televisio n show babysit their children, rather than them actually taking the iniciative and RESPONSIBLITY as a parent to engage and stimulate them mentally. When I played Mortal Kombat in front of my parents, my dad gave me a two hour lecture on the differences between VR and reality. That lecture alone was brutal, never mind the game.

Posted by MastrChieaf - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:45 PM

@felixtheswordsman
Is right Gamestop employes do get canned if they get caught selling games to little kids.

Posted by TheAuracle - Friday, October 31, 2008 2:53 PM

I'll say it before and I'll say it again:

If today's parents actually believe computer games provide a strong enough influence to turn their 'innocent' child into a mindless, heartless killing machine in one fell swoop, they are the victims of their own delusion and shouldn't have become parents in the first place.

Parents of today's youth: grow a pair and question what your kids play. If you don't want them playing it, put your foot down and get it out of your house! Don't push for a ban because you're only screwing with someone's livelihood and, most importantly, adult rated games (M in America, 16+, 18+ in Europe) were created with the ADULT in mind, just like that 'R' or '18' rated film you watched the other day.

Posted by vismortis - Friday, October 31, 2008 6:12 PM

but it is ok for a 5 year old to go and read about stoning someone to death in the bible
or how about the soccer moms pick up a history book and read what is in them they are not full of gold stars and happy faces, our history is violent.
how about what kids see on the daily news? becides games are still "PRESS" and minors are still citizens so well that pesky piece of paper from a few hundred years ago sorta is a problem isnt it

Posted by newbman - Friday, October 31, 2008 10:05 PM

Mmm, the judge is going to come back! Lock the doors!

Posted by Panceman - Saturday, November 1, 2008 11:12 AM

Games cost nearly $60. Thats not a price thats easily attainable for say... an 11 year old without the parent's knowledge. I like an earlier post that said the ESRB rating board was created for this purpose back in the days of Mortal Kombat. I'm from the state of IL and you can't get a decently paid job until you was 16 so before that I had to do chores around the house and virtually rely on my parents to buy games for me. During that process of earning, my parents were very engaged of me doing chores to earn money and was very active in seeing where I was spending my money to teach me good money management skills. When I started playing violent video games I would get lectured on VR vs Reality and then would watch the local news, Americas most wanted, and others for the purpose of educating me about the pain caused due to violent crimes.

Basically Parents need to take responsibility and not force legislature to enforce their point of view.

Posted by 2FAST4UALL - Sunday, November 2, 2008 8:12 PM

WAIT.......... a NINTENDO game is the spark of controversy!?

Posted by joeymontezz - Monday, November 3, 2008 5:37 AM

no its ok, parents can take kids into movie theaters to see R rated movies with much more violence and its more, "realistic" if you will, but those havent been a problem, only video games

Posted by SSPrincessRyoko - Monday, March 16, 2009 10:58 PM

Here's an idea, how about you "concerned" parents pay some attention to your kids instead of the video games they shouldn't be playing in the first. Your 8 year old is probably playing GTA right now, while you're in court. Dunbasses.

You must Login or Register to post.
Feed Theme Preference Light | Dark
Sponsored Ad
ADVERTISEMENT

Stay connected to TheFeed 24/7. Follow us on Twitter and never miss a transmission.

Start following now »

The Feed Poll

Will You Play The New 'Transformers' Game?

View Results

Tip The Feed

Know of breaking news that should be on The Feed? Send us your "Tip" and we might post it.
Get video game news alerts on your phone.
Text G4TV to 44636
Or enter your phone number:
 
T & C | Privacy | Cancel Alerts
Powered by 4INFO. Standard Messaging Rates or other charges apply. To Opt-out text STOP to 4INFO (44636). For more information text HELP to 4INFO (44636). Contact your carrier for more details.
Advertisement
Games
News
Videos
Features
Previews
Reviews
New Releases
Trailers
Cheats
TV Shows
Attack of the Show
X-Play
Comic-Con 09
E3 2009
Ninja Warrior
The International Sexy Ladies Show
Web Soup
2 Months. 2 Million.
Movies That Don't Suck
G4 Underground
The Chaser's War on Everything
Duty Free TV
Heroes
LOST
Cops
Cheaters
 
Whacked Out Videos
Human Wrecking Balls
Code Monkeys
Totally Outrageous Behavior
Arrested Development
Unbeatable Banzuke
Freaky
Trigger Happy TV
Wired for Sex
Cheat!
Spaceballs
Super Big Product Fun Show
Tech TV Vault
 
Schedule »
Channel Finder »
Web Shows
Sessler's Soapbox
The MMO Report
Fresh Ink Online
First 15
The Electric Playground
Freestyle 101
Videos
Video Index
Viral Videos
Video Game Trailers
Tech TV Vault
 
Multiplex
PS3 Portal
Wii Portal
VOD
Podcasts
Mobile
Events
Comic-Con
E3 2009
GDC
DICE
CES
Tokyo Game Show
E3 2008
Community
Forums
Open Source with Neal Tiles
Cops 2.0
Video Viewer Mail