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Posted by John Manalang - Friday, October 03, 2008 7:53 AM

Sure, used game titles save us a couple bucks, not to mention paying anything less than $59.99 for a software is always a plus. However, while we greatly benefit from purchasing used titles, game developers--who actually made the damn thing we enjoy--doesn't see a single cent in profits from pre-owned title purchases.

Now, to promote the purchases of fresh new titles, Gears of War 2 developer Epic Games will include a one-time use download code into their title, as a "special gift [for] loyal fans" as said by Epic. The Gears of War 2 download code will include five additional multiplayer maps from the original Gears of War and that's the only way to acquire them--no purchases from Xbox Live Marketplace or any other methods.

EA's NBA Live 09's much hyped feature, where stats and rosters will be updated daily for PS3 and 360 users, will only be available for free via a one-time use code with purchase of the new titles. Without the code, the feature will cost $19.99. "This is a very expensive tool to use, and if you don't buy it new, then you'll have to pay for this," said by an EA rep on a forum.

Rock Band 2, published by MTV Games, will give "loyal fans" 20 free downloadable songs for PS3 and 360 users to obtain by the year's end. The recently announce AC/DC Rock Band pack will also support a one-time use code that will allow users to import the tracks off the disc to either Rock Band 1 or 2.

So folks, you dig this new strategy or not? As always, let us know what you think. Gears of War 2 will be out this November 7 for the Xbox 360. NBA Live 09 will be available this October 7 for the PS3, PS2, PSP and Xbox 360. Rock Band 2 is now available for the Xbox 360 and will come out for the PS3 this October 19. The title will come out for the Wii in November.

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Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:22 AM

This won't stop used games sales. Who wants 5 old maps for Gears 2 anyway. Gears 2 is alrady a rehash of the last one with nothing new and giving 5 of the old maps just proves it.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:27 AM

A five dollar difference won't matter in my opinion..you can just cough up the extra five for a new disc...however if the difference is greater than 10...I don't care about some of the "one time use" content. That is lame.

Once again..EA screws you. That feature in the basketball game is one of its main features this time around...seems that EA will screw you 6 ways to sunday if you buy the game second hand. Yet another reason for me to boycott your product losers.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:28 AM

ehh,,, this is a bad idea. what happens when your system dies. you just never get those maps again? maybe you buy a new system down the road? can't use them on that system? will the download be tied to your system or gamertag?
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Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:30 AM

Serves you right EA. You release the same sport games every year for $60. How do you like getting screwed?
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Posted by TKEmysterio - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:33 AM

Why is it that the video game industry are the only ones that complain about games getting resold used? I don't hear the music or movie industry even giving two craps about it.
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Posted by Tmidiman - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:34 AM

If they want me to buy more new games they should lower the prices. Money is not a problem for me, but $120 for just two games is crazy. Some games may be worth $60, but MANY MANY more are not worth it.
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Posted by Tmidiman - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:36 AM

Devil May Cry 4 special edition unopened for $25 at Best Buy. Now that's more like it.
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Posted by paranoidmaskdan - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:37 AM

what a bunch of bull caca, Scam to make more money...Im 99% sure they are rich enough to not do this and cry about it! Give us fans who made you a BREAK!

P.s. why do all sequel games improve it but also removes some other cool stuff to replace it... for example splinter cell games...some cool moves where replaced by other cool moves, why not have all moves....i know its possible so dont say it was too hard cuz its not!~!! CACA
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Posted by DaSaintFan - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:38 AM

I never thought it possible, but a gaming company just screwed over the entire gaming industry.

No resales? Say "NO more rentals" either!

Goodbye Blockbuster rentals,
goodbye Netflix rentals...
goodbye Gamestop,
goodbye EB, etc.

You just dried up the entire market.

Do we have to go on? John, don't fall into the "Trap" that game developers don't see the money from resales... They get their money, regardless.. if the games worth buying new, people buy, if it's not, they won't.. (maybe they'll realize they're pricing themselves right out of the market too?)
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Posted by Tman88 - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:38 AM

Game companies still receive money from the stores that distribute their games. As for used games, they help gamers who want to save money. Games aren't cheap so of course gamers will be more attracted to lower prices. EA and Epic make millions each year off of games so they really shouldn't complain. Bottom line is that if they make games that gamers will want to play then the companies will receive money.
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Posted by WVUrook - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:39 AM

Sounds like a good idea to me. I always buy used, but seeing as how used premier titles are typiclally only 5 bucks cheaper, I'll spring for the new copy now. At least their not being stupid and trying to sue the used sellers out of business.
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Posted by Mr_Eko_73 - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:40 AM

Used game sales bring in New game sales. Pure and simple. I've been introduced to a lot of franchises from buying the game used first- Example: I purchased Saint's Row Used for $20.00 I NEVER had the intention of buying it new. But, now Saint's Row 2 is coming out and I've pre-ordered it. I would never had played, what I perceived as a GTA rip-off, New. But I played it and liked it- got the New one- I'm sure many of you have done some of the same things.

In a totally unrelated EA story
http://sports.espn.go.com/ol y/news/story?id=3623158
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Posted by Tman88 - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:42 AM

I don't think that used sales will be affected just because two companies have different opinion. We all know that those two companies make profits so that's that really.
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Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:42 AM

Even though they say that they won't, I bet Epic will put those old maps for Gears up for paid DLC eventually. They won't let that money slip away when they see that this lame plan to stop used game sales didn't work.
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Posted by Ieyke - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:42 AM

My gods...is EA just ALWAYS riding the retard express?
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Posted by DamienHell - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:47 AM

lol fail. EA is only freaking out cause their games suck and they need the money
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Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:49 AM

I'm done with EA anyway. Madden hasn't been good since the PS2. Rock Band is the only EA game that I play. But that's it.
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Posted by TheRageAgainst - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:50 AM

does it really matter. they want more money. Who doesn't. I would honestly feel jipped if i didnt get a penny for used sales. But it is true that its not going to stop used sales, and im going to still buy used games. And how can you say that gears 2 is just a rehash of the first game when you haven't even played it yet? watching videos adn playing the game are two different things. So before you go off ranting out your ass about how Gears of War 2 is just Gears 1.5, why don't you wise up.
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Posted by Platformermaniac - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:52 AM

I dont see a problem with giving a little incentive for buying the game new. Epic and Harmonix have the right idea. EA however, have once agin taken a good idea and messed the whole thing up. Denying access to one of their game's main features, under these circumstances, is simply wrong. I hope sales for NBA Live 09 suffer because of this decision. Epic and Harmonix are rewarding gamers for buying new. EA is punishing gamers for buying used. I think this story makes it clear why so many of us hate EA's business practices.
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Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:52 AM

^^^Oh I'm sorry, it's 5 on 5 istead of 4 on 4 this time.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:56 AM

Those companies don't see one red cent of used game sales. In effect when you trade in games to GameStop you are agreeing to sell them the game for the offered trade in value. This is a contract in effect. Now they own the game and can resell it if they so choose. It completely cuts out the developer/prodcuer of origin. Honestly once you buy a game you can do what you want with it..even if that is reselling the title. This is so wrong...it shouldn't matter if you are the 2nd or 5th owner of the title. All of the features that were shipped with the game should be active.
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Posted by vismortis - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:57 AM

ok but what about in 3 years when i want a game or 5 it gets hard to find them new. heck its hard to find Oblivion new near me. When is EA going to figure out anoying us hurts their sails. Or figure out that people still play old games and they break and noone wants to pay $60 twice
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Posted by Letters2Kay - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:58 AM

I rarely buy used, anyway. I'd say at least 90% of the games I buy are new-release titles that I've reserved. I kind of like this idea, but I don't buy EA titles much (Skate and Dead Space will be the exceptions) and I probably will pick up Gears 2 eventually- but since I could give a damn about playing multiplayer Gears on XBL, I may as well get it used if the price diference is great enough- which it rarely is anyway. A $5 discount is hardly worth getting a (possibly) scratched and mistreated copy of a game. I'd usually rather spend a tiny but more and get a brand new product, personally...
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Posted by neoix - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:01 AM

this is a load of bull. Seriously, we need to start boycotting EA, that'll knock some sense into them
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Posted by JDarkley - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:02 AM

I think that it's good initiative to buy the new games, but they should allow the perks to be available as DLC, and for less than $20 at least! Good Lord EA, do you think people will pay that much for stat changes? How much would that actually affect gameplay? Damn idiots.
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Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:04 AM

I think that their plan will backfire and increase used game sells. If I want to buy an old game, I'm going to buy it used. The newer games however isn't worth buying used to only save $5. Might as well buy newer games new. If I wanted to buy Assasin's Creed right now I can buy it used for $20 so why would I pay $60 for a new copy?
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Posted by Tman88 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:05 AM

The companies still get profits when their games are brand new. I don't about used but they get profits for brand new games which most people preorder and buy many games brand new.
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Posted by squarewannabe - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:07 AM

I think ides of a promotion code to help sell the game new is a great idea. But I'm also for the selling of used games too.

First off, I don't care about sports games, but the idea of giving a Rock Band code for 20 free songs is well worth it. But when the Export Feature comes out [for the 360, it already has] people are just going to turn around and sell their first copy [unless you REALLY like Enter Sandman]

Nothings perfect. Nobody ever gets their way
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Posted by kobebryantyanic - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:08 AM

lol, i wouldn't even buy live if it was 20 bucks, 2k9 will be so much better and i played both demos. Epic and EA are bums.
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Posted by mcroce2003 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:15 AM

i was planning on buying gears 2 new anyway- but otherwise i think this is awful and the only people who suffer are the players- what about people who rent games? are they going to get half the experience?

maybe this is telling developers to make better games that people will not want to sell after owning for a month at 60 dollars
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Posted by altizar - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:15 AM

If you don't want people to buy used games, I would suggest increasing REPLAYABILITY with the f*&-ing things!!!!
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Posted by ash1300 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:15 AM

This is appalling and it just goes to show how out of touch the gaming industry is.

If they want to reduce the secondary market on used games, add replay value. Don't use DRM (and a one-time activiation code is DRM) to prevent used game sales.

Can you imagine if any other industry tried this? I'm sure GM would make more money if they could make used car sales illegal. Or Random House with books. Or Burton with snowboards.
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Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:18 AM

The main thing is here is that these companies see a nitch of the market that they are not getting any profit and they want in. Companies are always quick to post up how many copies their title sold to show their profit line. Now they realize that there a lot of gamers that refuse to pay $60 for a game that they can get used for 20 or 30 bucks less in a couple of months. I for one am one of those gamers. It it's a great 5star game sure I'll buy it new. But of the hundreds of games that companies make how many of them are 5star quality. 10% or maibe 15% of all these games are truly woth the $60 price tag. But these companies want you to pay the same price for the much inferior game. I mean why should I reward the makers of 50cent Bulletproof the same as the makers of Mass Effect, or Bioshock.

Instead of trying to bribe people to buy a crappy game for $60 new, how about making better quality games that people want to buy new for that price.
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Posted by DaSaintFan - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:22 AM

I think ides of a promotion code to help sell the game new is a great idea. But I'm also for the selling of used games too.
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Exactly! If they want to sell new games, include a one-time promotion code for some special "NON-vital" gameplay goodie (Active Rosters not available in a basketball game?)
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Posted by SpotRamer - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:23 AM

Damn I didnt know they werent getting any money from used game sales. Thats kinda f'd up!!! Seriously!!! I dont care who makes the games their still making the games so they should get some profit from it I dont understand why they wouldnt......makes me dislike gamestop even more.....cuz If I sell them lets say gta4 they only buy it 30 to 35 bucks but then go sell it used for 54.99???? Their even more pimps then I thought!!!! I usually buy my games new anyways...and some used usually older ones. Damn thats really f'd up Im with EA and Epic on this one!

Oh and the 5 extra maps from the first gears is pretty kool....the more the merrier!!!!
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Posted by maxpowr9822 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:26 AM

EA should not be complaining about sports titles being sold used...like said above they are pretty much the same game every year minus a couple features so really every year sports fans are paying $60 for a few extras every year..that should make EA happy enough..As for gears and other games I can see the point to encourage new game sales, but EA should remember that they are in the business of making money...just like the stores that make more profit on used games...if EA really wants to make a game that will be bought brand new they should start banging out titles that dont get tiring or can be beat minus the multiplayer in 6 hours or less!
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Posted by ThataUFO - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:27 AM

O cry me a freakin river. If they sell crap games for $60, im gonna buy the good ones for as little money as possible.
I often just trade games with a couple of buddies. Why buy some expensive game if you know your friend is going to let you borrow it for FREE? We get together, decide which up coming games we are going to buy, and then we each buy a different one and trade them when we're done. I got two kids and not a lot of money to spend on games.
EA can bite my left nut.
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Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:30 AM

I think EA's idea is stupid and shows their greed. We dont want you to buy the game used, but if you do buy it used to get our SPECIAL feature you'll have to shell out an extra $20.

Did they forget that there's NBA 2K9 that people can get as an alternate to 09live.
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Posted by Slider7 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:33 AM

I usually buy about 95% of my games used. $60.00 a pop for a game is too much. If the game developers say that they are not getting anything from the resellers of the used games they are so full of BS. I bet in some dark back room they have made deals with the resellers for a percentage cut of all the games that get sold as "used". This crap of providing a "special" code for their loyal fans for special content is just another way to line their pockets. Special content...I have their special content for them and they can "suck that special content until they are blue in the face".

-Slider7
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:36 AM

nba live is awful compared to the 2k series
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Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:39 AM

@ SpotRamer
So if you sell your friend a copy of Madden for $20 you're gonna give EA their cut of the sale.
Gamestop buys these used games to begin with, then they resell them. You forgot that part. It's not like they magically have these used games that came from nowhere. They have to buy these games that they are then reselling. So shouldn't they make a profit. Why should Epic or EA get anything. Are they going to reimburse gamestop for their labor, packaging,shelving, and storage of these games.

If EA, EPIC, MTV, or any other developer chips in with the cost of reselling these games then yes they deserve a piece of the action.
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Posted by cryfordawn - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:55 AM

1. Sony tried to do this crap when the PS3 came out and people said NO and it failed.

2. I would love to see this put Gamestop out of business cause this would sink there business 100%.

The reality is that Gamestop is the largest resell of new or used games and if they say NO to this idea then it will not happen. Bottom line, Gamestop deals in used games. They really DONT want to sell you new games at all. This will never pass
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:57 AM

@SpotRamer
If you sell your car to someone should you send the maker of your vehicle a percentage of the sale? No. If you sell anything on Ebay should you give the manufacturer a chunk of the sale? No. Used game stores assume all of the risk when they agree to buy your game. That risk is that they might not be able to resell whatever it is you are trading in. Therefore charging upwards of 50% mark-up on trade in value is covering their risk. Honestly if you want to put them out of business how about you start buying all of your friend's games for 40 dollars and sell them for 41 dollars.....hmmm...won't work will it?
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Posted by Tman88 - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:02 AM

Used games will always be sold and really other big name stores like Walmart and Best Buy sell game brand new and people go to those stores so really the companies still get good business. As for GameStop they sell both new and used games, the majority being used games, but I still don't see used games ever going away. In the end, the game companies who complain should really be thanking us gamers for buying their games.
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Posted by Al_Coholic - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:05 AM

Weak.
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Posted by DaSaintFan - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:13 AM

Amen, SG81... that's the best analogy I think works with this the best. Why should game producers get extra income that no other company gets?
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Posted by GreedyMcNasty - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:15 AM

Stop getting all bent out of shape. There is always a way around these kinds of things. We will still be able to buy used games and get all the in game content. Just have to be extra sneak-e about it. Can't return opened games........RIGHT we all found a way around that. Just use the same idea with returning games. BUY game, open the right way, use code, put back used code in game box, close back up-the right way, shrink wrap, take back to the store, return get your money back....... buy used game later. Big middle finger to the gaming industries that try to control us. THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY. Chillax and think of a way.
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Posted by SpotRamer - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:17 AM

Ok ok maybe you guys are right but I still hate gamestop!!!! Their undersized penisis!!!!! And douchebags....with loser retards working for'em! I buy new games anyway from wal-mart or traget or gameCrazy! I boycott gamestop!
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Posted by DaSaintFan - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:17 AM

Greedy, so instead of convincing the companies to do the right thing, you want to 'cheat' yourself?

Good lord.. is that what this hobby has come to? Let's screw them before they screw us? how about "EVERYONE" play by the rules?
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Posted by WildfireFox - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:28 AM

I only buy used games when it's really really old anyway. So they wouldn't really get any money anyway. o.o

Granted, EB Games really won't care anyway.
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Posted by Lightmike578 - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:33 AM

I think epic has a good idea with the 5 old maps. But I think EA has a bad idea
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Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:36 AM

Dude you buy your games @ wallmart. I mean really???!!!!!

I buy all of my games from GameStop new and used. It's good to talk to an ACTUAL GAMER, and get their opinion on a game that you're thinking about buying. On more than 1 occasion they saved me from making a bad purchase. You cant get that king of help from wall-mart, or bestbuy.
The next time you're in the electronic department @ wall-mart why dont you ask then the difference between an FPS,RPG,MMO, and a 3rd Person Shooter.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:43 AM

@199ALLSTAR
I'm a gamer. So therefore I know everything. I don't need to ask some kids who work at a gamestore what they think. In fact, here is the last convo me and my girlfriend had with a gamestop employee:
Us "Do you have SSBB?"
GS "Yeah, do you have a preorder?"
Us "No"
GS "We are running short on our first come first serve copies and soon we will only have pre orders left"
Us "....." "Are you going to sell it to us or not?"
GS "Let me check."

Idiots.
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Posted by xSniper209LHSx - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:51 AM

if epic was smart about this they would add 5 maps that were not re-edited into the gears of war 2...or maybe add maps that were on gears of war windows.
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Posted by JSMOKE420 - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:51 AM

Message to game companies who are all of a sudden whining about used game sales. You already got your sixty dollars the first time it was sold. After that it is my property to do with as I see fit, including trading it in for someone else to enjoy. So quit yer bitchin'!
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Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:54 AM

ewwwww!!!


Sorry to hear that. I guess you have a point. I cant speak for all game stores but I know some that are just like you explained. But the one where I shop is nothing like that, so I guess I'm a little spoiled in that way. They're gamers on the ball and would not do to you what that GS employee did.
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Posted by SpotRamer - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:56 AM

@allstar

Yea actually I do I keep myself infromed and Ive been playin games long enough to know the difference between them.....and If I decide to get a game Im gonna get it regardless of the reviews it got! I dont need to ask anybody about a game....I know b4 I go get it what type of game it is! And if it sucks it sucks...but usually the last few games Ive bought have been good and satisfying....except...assasin s creed and medal of honor airborne...they wernt bad games just were not great games. You might have to get someone else's opinion about a game or might have to ask the difference between the type of genre of games instead of just reading the back of the game or cuz your lack knowledge on subject.....I dont!

Just saying!
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Posted by Zombie4Hire - Friday, October 3, 2008 11:13 AM

Epic is doing nothing wrong here. Basiclly you will get the maps and golden guns for free if you buy it at midinight. I believe something similar was done with Battle Field: Bad Company. But what EA is doing is really lame. Not everyone can afford the new titles when they come out, espically since it looks like there are a lot of good title coming out his year. And if Gamestop says NO than what EA is trying to do will fail.
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Posted by mybum - Friday, October 3, 2008 12:43 PM

rrod

who cares about 5 extra maps?
u r so stupid holy crap
im not even going t correct u about that i want u to stay stupid.
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Posted by elohimfetus - Friday, October 3, 2008 1:59 PM

Yeah, I am not sure how that is suposed to work out for GAMES STOP and PLAY N TRADE. They make money from the used game sales and they are how the delopers get those games to the masses.
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Posted by GreedyMcNasty - Friday, October 3, 2008 2:13 PM

Yes DA saint fan.
It's all about screw them before they screw you. You want to pay top dollar for a game and content? Go right ahead more power to you. You think you can change the way a game company releases there content by crying about it? NOPE! It will never happen, you need to fight back beat them at there own game. And for the retard that hates gamestop.....your a lame ass. Some of the coolest people in the world work at gamestop. You need to make friends with game stores and screw walmart to hell and back. Walmart is the Clownshoe of the gaming world.
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Posted by Nibbins - Friday, October 3, 2008 2:32 PM

EA games
Jewing up everything
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Posted by sdcrews - Friday, October 3, 2008 2:54 PM

I dunno about the jewing up part, but I do think it's stupid to charge someone $20 bucks for a big feature in a big title just becuase they want to buy it after someone else had it. Plus the last time I check was EA the biggest publisher in the world, swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck. I remember when EA started Trip Hawkis said that he treats his staff like rock stars. If only he knew they would turn into Lars Ulrich one day because of it (yeah, I said.)
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Posted by Punko - Friday, October 3, 2008 3:06 PM

I stopped buying from used game stores a long time ago. If you go to cheapassgamer you can frequently find new games on sale for less than these places charge for used. The only games you get good deals on are the ones that everyone is selling back - not a good sign. I also don't want my drives getting the extra workout trying to read scratched up discs. I have no problem with rewarding first time buyers - and I'm far from being a big fan of EA at this point either.
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Posted by sfubear - Friday, October 3, 2008 3:25 PM

I think it doesn't matter, the argument that it saves you money to buy used games is a weak one at best, every used game I have ever bought is maybe if I am lucky $7 cheaper, if you are that worried about 7 bucks then you probably shouldn't be buying video games in the first place. And to anyone that thinks gears 2 is just the same old same old, then I ask isn't that the case with most sequels the same thing with a few new features? If new weapons, enemies, improved cover system, destructible environments, more story, and different maps doesn't make a sequel then what does?
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Posted by DPsx7 - Friday, October 3, 2008 3:42 PM

With the collection I have I've saved hundreds buying used. Some games are worth it to get new, but others I wait for a discount since I can't play them fast enough to buy all new. I mean by the time I get to it I could have gotten it for less. If new games were priced at $30 I'd be fine buying all new copies. But $60? I'll wait.

EA sucks and so does Gears, absolutely no loss to me.
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Posted by NinjaVanish - Friday, October 3, 2008 3:47 PM

wow. sue us if we want to save some money huh? ecspecially with the econmey sucking.
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Posted by 1nitial_D - Friday, October 3, 2008 3:57 PM

Is there any way for developers/publishers to get money from their games when they become used. The need some type law or something like that.
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Posted by galvan - Friday, October 3, 2008 4:10 PM

and then people will find a way to make copys....lol

you never know.....

gears 2 will be the game of the year....just watxh the awards it will stack just like gers1....

lol

doesnt matter if people have negative snit to say......

suckbails......
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Posted by fire_storm127 - Friday, October 3, 2008 4:14 PM

God dude why are you being a greedy dude EA
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Posted by shinichimaru - Friday, October 3, 2008 4:38 PM

No doubt that gears 2 will sell, but i dont get why EA is complaining. I mean, someone actually has to BUY a game first, then trade it in. so the greedy bastards get their money anyway right? and anyway their best plan of attack is if we buy it we get 5 old gears maps? lmao!! yeah, thats exactly what i want. anyone else?....retards!
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Posted by shinichimaru - Friday, October 3, 2008 4:41 PM

No doubt that gears 2 will sell, but i dont get why EA is complaining. I mean, someone actually has to BUY a game first, then trade it in. so the greedy bastards get their money anyway right? and anyway their best plan of attack is if we buy it we get 5 old gears maps? lmao!! yeah, thats exactly what i want. anyone else?....retards!
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Posted by Nibbins - Friday, October 3, 2008 6:00 PM

No doubt that gears 2 will sell, but i dont get why EA is complaining. I mean, someone actually has to BUY a game first, then trade it in. so the greedy bastards get their money anyway right? and anyway their best plan of attack is if we buy it we get 5 old gears maps? lmao!! yeah, thats exactly what i want. anyone else?....retards!
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Posted by Yearzerodayone - Friday, October 3, 2008 6:40 PM

People do not see this from the developers point of view.Say you created something and you earned a million dollars.Now lets say a few weeks later you learned people sold some of your created hard work to a store.Other potential customers bought it.You find out you lost 500,000 dollars on those used sales.Tell me you would not be angry.These people work hard,put out a good game or bad.Want to be paid.Why should gamestop make money on someone elses work.Last time i went to game stop bought a used game i could not find.All it was a disc.No box,no instructions all scratched up for 30 bucks.I laughed.When i sold my ps3.Took back 10 games.Offered me 170 in store credit.Sold those same 10 games for 240 cash.Gamestop is a joke.Give you 25 for madden,but then charge you 55 used.I wish Gamestop would go out of business
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Posted by Yearzerodayone - Friday, October 3, 2008 6:46 PM

Also-i wonder.People hate paying 60 bucks for a game.Why not release em for 30 dollars new and sell two million,and have more copies out there for dlc and buzz about sequels then charge 50 or 60 bucks for new and only sell a million.Remember years ago when 2k5 was 20 bucks new.They made a profit.Can't be greedy.Most games aren't worth 60.Why i love the arcade games.10 bucks,play a solid game and happy.I own 82 arcade games,and 30 360 games.I think it is better to downlaod
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Posted by ToRn1ne - Friday, October 3, 2008 6:57 PM

Either way, I still have this game pre-ordered. I am wondering what maps are coming out?
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Posted by Peppeni31 - Friday, October 3, 2008 8:50 PM

They are just tring to get a profit off the same game. Someone has to buy the game first new. Then they get money off that sell. Then when it goes to a used game store they want money from that profit from that company. Is it bad when a company is becoming lazy to not come out with something new. Want to get a profit off the game no matter how many times it gets traded in and resold.
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Posted by Peppeni31 - Friday, October 3, 2008 9:11 PM

They are just tring to get a profit off the same game. Someone has to buy the game first new. Then they get money off that sell. Then when it goes to a used game store they want money from that profit from that company. Is it bad when a company is becoming lazy to not come out with something new. Want to get a profit off the game no matter how many times it gets traded in and resold.
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Posted by Thundercracker - Friday, October 3, 2008 10:34 PM

wow wtg ea...you actually get us all to agree on something, thats a task. 2k9 looks so much better anyways. So why are you hypocrites not bashing epic? lol, zeus of olypmus, you guys are such little kissa$$es
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Posted by slimmer - Friday, October 3, 2008 11:47 PM

Pretty soon no one will have a job so dont worry about it.
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Posted by ProjektX13 - Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:10 AM

gaystation homeless sucks
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Posted by sleekonia - Saturday, October 4, 2008 4:54 AM

I agree with the logic, they're right they DONt get a kick back from used games, cuz they got it when they were new. BUT i think even droping the prices of new game even down to wii prices will get more people on board. unless its a game i know is gonna rock i'm not payin 60+ for 1 game but i dont mind paying 49.99. its kool tho i stick with gamefly anyway lol. sooooo i guess i'm part of the problem hehehe
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Posted by KindredEX - Saturday, October 4, 2008 6:08 AM

#1 BAD IDEA EA/EPIC...... 'nuff said.

#2 Talking to people at Game Stop is like talking to people at Best Buy. 999,999 times out of a million you know volumes more info about all the tech in the store than the actual workers, let alone Geek Squad. Same goes for Apple Store employees. I'm an Apple freak and I can't believe the amount of false info I hear spewed from the teeny bopper girls who work there only because they love their iPods. Sorry chickie but when you can't tell me any other difference between an iMac and a MacPro other than one has a display built in, get lost idiot you're wasting my oxygen.
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Posted by Rickyz - Saturday, October 4, 2008 7:34 AM

Well, GameStop always shat on it's customers anyway. They would put used disks in a container, wrap it, and call it new making $20 more bucks. But like EB Games, most stores don't WANT to f8ck their customers over, so they make sure that we (the customer) is happy and comes back. Some stores will ALWAYS find a way to sell used ones.
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Posted by token123 - Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:13 AM

another reason why i go with pc for gaming you console noobs spend about 60 bucks on games when pc its only 50-20 bucks (usually 30)

the future belongs to pc the only reason why consoles are doing good is because of all the idiots buying them thinking its the greatest ever
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Posted by mikefryloc - Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:28 PM

I'm all for developers getting paid for their hard work but they are taking a dump all over their loyal fans that don't have the money to buy new. I'm all for perks for buying new but isn't that what the game reserve perks are for as well? The problem with EA's idea is that you shouldn't have to sacrifice functionality just because you can't afford to buy it new. The easiest answer to the problem would be to lower new game prices so that people would buy from larger retailers out of convenience. You can't make me believe that in this day and age with all of the downloadable content out there that developers aren't making money. Dowloadable content should be able to make up the losses that used game sales cause. Guitar Hero is offering a one time code that will unlock all of the songs on the game for those that preorder the game. I think this is more along the right track than limiting content.
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Posted by Gogaku - Saturday, October 4, 2008 1:50 PM

I thought the gaming industry was separate from the whole corporate greed thing, but a las I was wrong...

Didn't rockstar make the biggest profit ever on an entertainment product with GTA4? Meaning, it's not like the industry is hurting. This is taking a big dump on the loyal gamers that might want to buy a used game because they can save some cash on it. Greedy bastards...
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Posted by Tman88 - Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:02 PM

The gaming industry is separate from greed. It's just that two companies aren't. If the two companies are doing bad business then their actions aren't representing the gaming industry as a whole.
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Posted by deleted_5209E621-4C9F-4F09-955B-9EA117856F1D - Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:46 PM

Great, so their logic is that they don't want me to sell my old games that I don't play any more so I can afford to buy the new games? Let me know how that works for you Epic and EA.
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Posted by II0nESH0TII - Saturday, October 4, 2008 3:01 PM

at least we still Have tacobell
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Posted by tetengo44 - Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:37 PM

man who buys used games anymore??? i have been a gamefly member for 2 yrs now ! and i cant remeber the las time i bought a used game from gamestop their prices are to high anyWAY....so i buy my used game from gamefly because they give u the option of keeping it. perfect example bioshock you go to gamestop and u will get it for $30-35 minimum while at gamefly u can get bioshock for $22.95-with your 10% off and every 3 months they will give YOU A 5dollar coupon wich brings YOUR total to $17.95...sooooooo du u think u can get bioshock the best game of 2007 for that much at gamestop I DONT THINK SO!!!!!! F&CK U GAMESTOP, EBGAMES, YOUR GRANDMOTHER YARDSALES, AND THE DUDE WITH THE USED GAMES IN THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK...AM STICKING WITH GAMEFLY FOR LIFE!
PS ADONT GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT 5 EXTRA MAPS FOR GEARS OR UPDATES OF STATS ON NBA LIVE ......LETS JUST ALL STICK IT TO EA AND BUY GAMES USED A MONTH AFTER RELEASED....ITS THE AMERICAN WAY ...THE BEST WAY BUAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! !
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Posted by mercisan - Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:40 PM

@smartguy81
I know of your experiences. I asked an employee at gamestop to check when they'd be getting bioshock for ps3 and the wii version of Dead Rising, and he got into an argument with me telling me that those were xbox 360 exclusives and they would never be coming to other consoles because MS paid money for them. That was about 2 weeks ago.
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Posted by TheKei - Saturday, October 4, 2008 9:05 PM

EA sucks anyway. Burnout is the only good title they make.
My first and last experience with GameStop was when I pre-ordered Vice City. I put $10 down on the $54.99 they were asking for it, it came in and they sold out immediately. They said I could wait three days for a new shipment. I went over to Best Buy and they had at least 60 copies on the rack for $39.99. I went back to GameStop and forced the manager to refund my deposit and told the other four people in the store to go to Best Buy to get it. Never again.
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Posted by StrongestSaiyan - Saturday, October 4, 2008 10:40 PM

@mercisan

Wow, that's pretty pathetic on the part of the employee. It's also why I avoid conversing with them at all. Man, Dead Rising and Bioshock on new systems is not exactly new information, but then again, a lot of people just view their job as work and don't care about it. I almost would want to have Bioshock come up like that so I could say, "My PS3 demo and order on Amazon disagree with you."
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Posted by StephenFromOhio - Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:28 AM

RROD is lame.
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Posted by KindredEX - Sunday, October 5, 2008 6:39 AM

@mercisan

Yeah.... When I bought my PS3 at a Game Stop the first couple weeks it was out, the guy was pressuring me to buy games. I told him there weren't any games good enough yet and I was mainly using it as a Blu-Ray player until better games were coming the following year. He proceeded to go on his system and start giving me release dates of games. He tried telling me that Tekken for PS3 was coming in February of that next year. Well, it's been how many years now since that was told to me????
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Posted by TikkiMon - Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:31 AM

I'm sorry if I don't really care what EA thinks. Tell me of 5 titles in recent years that makes me give a care about them. They did recieve their money for that game, THE FIRST TIME. Just because its preowned, they deserve a cut? BS. Thats basically sayin for example if I sold a game at a yard sale that i'm supposed to send them a cut of the money I made on it. EA deserves the pimpslap of doom. And when it costs them $0.75/copy to burn a disk and $1.50 for the packaging, they have no right to tell me that its killing them on the money they make up for on a $60 game.

In the words of DX from WWE, EA can "SUCK IT!"
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Posted by TikkiMon - Sunday, October 5, 2008 9:48 AM

I'm sorry if I don't really care what EA thinks. Tell me of 5 titles in recent years that makes me give a care about them. They did recieve their money for that game, THE FIRST TIME. Just because its preowned, they deserve a cut? BS. Thats basically sayin for example if I sold a game at a yard sale that i'm supposed to send them a cut of the money I made on it. EA deserves the pimpslap of doom. And when it costs them $0.75/copy to burn a disk and $1.50 for the packaging, they have no right to tell me that its killing them on the money they make up for on a $60 game.

In the words of DX from WWE, EA can "SUCK IT!"
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Posted by panzerfist - Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:24 AM

I find it funny how many people seem to complain about gamestop. I've gone to the one near my house for years now and i've never had a prob, even work there now. That store, at least, tells me not to pressure the customers, not that i would anyway. But i digress.

If i made a million dollars off a product and find out later i coulda made 1.5, i honestly can say "oh well" because i have a million $#%#ing dollars. I prefer gamefly myself because it's the cheapest route, i mean i can buy 1 used game for $40, or, for the same price get a 2 month subscription 2 gamefly and rent 2 games at a time for as long as i want. If i keep the 2 games for 2 months that's still twice the amount of games i could get anywhere else.
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Posted by skullheadfaceboy - Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:32 AM

ok so they nickel and dime us with these micro transactions!its costs $ to buy the game, costs to play online with friends*360*,so here mr. take my money,take my money, now we get punished for buying that game used? how bout rewarding us the gamers that have been with you thru yourlife time huh? ive been a happy lil ea fanboy since genesis, and watch them try to monopolize the gaming world only to see it start to crumble around them,what about making some dlc free to the gamers after a period of time, or since we have to pay for extras now how bout we get rembirsed for the lack of good gaming? kane/lynch? sucked.... army of two and mercs 2? meh they ok but far from worth the price tag,taking the nfl licence and doing nothing with it except turning out the same ol crap with a lil polish on it! no thank u,screw you ea! you turn your back on the gamers the gamers turn on you then what?good going jackasses on turning out all the rental title.. how much you make on that?....
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Posted by skullheadfaceboy - Sunday, October 5, 2008 10:37 AM

and i have to agree with panzerfist above me i luv my gamestop no pressure to buy and yes the crew actully plays games unlike another local store round here very happy with my purchases there!!!
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Posted by Alex475 - Sunday, October 5, 2008 11:42 AM

I usually don't buy used games, because I personally don't think $54.99 is that big of a diference between $59.99 of a new game.
One thing I don't do anymore is buying games from ebgames or gamestop if it is not in the original sealed box, I preffer to get it at Wal-Mart or something as they don't sell used ones, because I think I've bought used games before selled as new from Eb and gamestop and I didn't like it.
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Posted by Alex475 - Sunday, October 5, 2008 12:11 PM

One more thing, people should be more careful when buying a game, I don't buy or sell my games and you guys should see a pile of GameCube,PS2,360,PSP and PS3 games I have but all games I like playing it, my point is... go to a gamestore buy a game for $59.99, play the game and than go back to the same gamestore just to have them give you $10.00 or even $15.00 bucks on a game they're gonna re-sell for $54.99... is just don't seem to smart in my opinion, the same for refurbished game systems $349.99 for a 20gig PS3 (which they probably got it for $145.00 or $150.00) isn't really a big deal since the 80gig is $399.99 and NEW by the way... but I'm just saying, some may see my point and some may not but in my opinion used games or systems are so overpriced anyway for someone to even think about buying it
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Posted by StrongestSaiyan - Sunday, October 5, 2008 1:00 PM

I have to agree with the sentiment that the $5 saved is not worth the hassle of a potentially problematic used game. That's why if I buy a game used it's because it's been years since it came out and is therefore much cheap and/or there aren't any more new copies.
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Posted by dantekratos300 - Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:05 PM

Damn, I need used games b/c they're cheaper, damn you EA
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Posted by RandyRoland - Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:16 PM

I thought Metallica was in "World Tour", but apparently Lars Ulrich has been roaming around EA's "Rock Band" camp and rubbing off on them. This is a horrible idea. I've always loved EA and their sports titles, and when I want a game real bad I buy it new (i.e. NHL 09). This is selling short the people who make game developing possible (the gamers). Will these special features make the games more attractive, maybe. But updated rosters and some old maps aren't going to do it.
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Posted by RandyRoland - Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:18 PM

(continued) If they really wanted to do something good to help their cause and ours (i guess), make a great game and then allow us to update that version next year through downloadable content. Take NHL for example, keep the core gameplay and allow everyone to upgrade the game with whatever new things they are adding to the game in the next iteration. Then we won't have to sell the game to Gamestop or whatever. We would get the next years roster changes but also the refined features (at a lower price, then the full game). Is this possible? I don't know. What does everyone think? This isn't going to stop us from buying used, and it damn well shouldn't.
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Posted by RandyRoland - Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:25 PM

(continued) If they really wanted to do something good to help their cause and ours (i guess), make a great game and then allow us to update that version next year through downloadable content. Take NHL for example, keep the core gameplay and allow everyone to upgrade the game with whatever new things they are adding to the game in the next iteration. Then we won't have to sell the game to Gamestop or whatever. We would get the next years roster changes but also the refined features (at a lower price, then the full game). Is this possible? I don't know. What does everyone think? This isn't going to stop us from buying used, and it damn well shouldn't.
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Posted by RandyRoland - Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:26 PM

(continued) If they really wanted to do something good to help their cause and ours (i guess), make a great game and then allow us to update that version next year through downloadable content. Take NHL for example, keep the core gameplay and allow everyone to upgrade the game with whatever new things they are adding to the game in the next iteration. Then we won't have to sell the game to Gamestop or whatever. We would get the next years roster changes but also the refined features (at a lower price, then the full game). Is this possible? I don't know. What does everyone think? This isn't going to stop us from buying used, and it damn well shouldn't.
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Posted by backerman - Sunday, October 5, 2008 2:49 PM

Oh well, most of EA games are sucks. That's why most of them went to used games and people willing to buy it for $10 or less.
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Posted by achief - Sunday, October 5, 2008 7:22 PM

doesnt that mean that ppl cant rent games b/c of the code on games. sucks.
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Posted by averyswarts - Monday, October 6, 2008 3:43 AM

ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every preowned game purchased at a Gamestop or the like HAS ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT ONCE NEW. What does this mean? The devs, publishers and everyone else has ALREADY been PAID by the purchase of the game. So who's getting screwed? We are.
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Posted by averyswarts - Monday, October 6, 2008 3:46 AM

ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every preowned game purchased at a Gamestop or the like HAS ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT ONCE NEW. What does this mean? The devs, publishers and everyone else has ALREADY been PAID by the purchase of the game. So who's getting screwed? We are.
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Posted by Mandaloria - Monday, October 6, 2008 4:31 AM

I think EA is picking a fight with the wrong people. Gamers who mainly play sports titles buy them new every year anyway. EA is coming out like a bully. At least the way Epic is handling this, it makes them sound like they are giving us something as a reward for buying the game new. EA is saying "Buy the game new or you'll pay." I think EA will be the one to pay in the long run.
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Posted by altizar - Monday, October 6, 2008 5:43 AM

I just bought a used game this weekend. suidoken III. You know i would have bought it new, but the problem is You can't buy it new anymore. I would also like to purchase a copy of Valkyria Profile : Lenneth new, but I sure as hell ain't paying the 100+ dollars people are wanting for a used copy.

Game companies need to come up with a way to allow distribution of old games. Yes, yes it costs lots of money to create a CD run, but it would cost diddly to sell an image of the old game and allow it to be burned to a DVD.

Don't whine about used games, if your going to keep draconian policies in place where buying a used Game make sense.
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Posted by NuBeatz - Monday, October 6, 2008 6:24 AM

That's a good point...can I never rent these titles either? I buy used on occasion when I haven't the funds to purchase when a title is released so I wait a bit til the buzz dies down and people are trading in for newer titles. If I can't purchase it brand new and I can't buy used or rent...what must I do then? Buying used is not the same as bootlegging people. Greed is ultimately gonna kill us all in the longrun. Prepare to kiss your asses goodbye!
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Posted by jozanovic - Monday, October 6, 2008 7:19 AM

kcuf Cliffy B.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Monday, October 6, 2008 9:10 AM

@1nitial_D
You are a GD moron. Also anyone else who thinks like this guy is a GD moron. A law that says we need to give the manufacturer a percentage of sales simply because the item is sold second or third hand?? You must be like 11...someone older who even at least has a part time job knows that is stupid.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Monday, October 6, 2008 9:49 AM

@Yearzerodayone
So by your logic every teacher I have had through grade school, undergrad, and now grad school I need to give them a piece of the pie since they educated me. Nah. If they want to make more money maybe they shouldn't be teaching. Game developers know how much money they are going to make based on sales projections. There is no need to cripple the used game market. Honestly it is dumbass logic on your part since your logic says I owe money to any educator as well as shutting down all forms of secondhand ownership. Grow up some more.
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Posted by Narocue - Monday, October 6, 2008 10:40 AM

They already got their money when the game was purchased new, so now they are bitching that they dont get paid twice for the same disc ... kiss my a$$ EA, I hope you die.
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Posted by COdowgy - Monday, October 6, 2008 1:46 PM

I don't feel sorry for them, having to pay $60.00 for a game. When you buy a used car the auto maker dose not get a cent from it!!
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Posted by tetengo44 - Tuesday, October 7, 2008 11:21 PM

ONE WORD GAMEFLY!!
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