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Rare Came Up With Avatars For Xbox 360 Before Nintendo Launched Mii's

Posted by Brian Leahy - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:01 PM

As we all know, Microsoft will be adding user avatars to the Xbox 360 as part of its upcoming Fall Update, but they have faced a lot of criticism for taking the idea directly from Nintendo's Miis.

Rare, the developers of these Xbox avatars wants you to know that they were working on customizable characters for the Xbox 360 before Nintendo even revealed Miis. Who do you believe?

Speaking with Eurogamer, Rare head of art Lee Musgrave, dropped some quotes on them regarding the issue:

"It was an idea we had, even before Miis were part of the gaming scene, of putting these characters that you have an affinity with, not necessarily as part of the Xbox dash, but somewhere in the Xbox that you would play multiple games with, that you would have multiple experiences with that same character."

That's certainly one way to look at it and we're sure that they are telling the truth. It could be a Deep Impact / Armageddon thing. It's more likely that this was an idea in a sea of possible ideas for Xbox Live with the popularity of the Wii and Miis bringing it to the top of the pile.

What's Microsoft's role in all this? Musgrave clarified, saying, "Microsoft did not turn up one day in a speeding car and say, 'They've got Miis - do something!' It wasn't like that at all; it was something that fell into place over a period of time."

What do you think? Did Microsoft jack Miis for their own purposes or were they really working on avatars before Miis were even revealed? Where does Sony's Home fit into all of this? Why can't we just play games on our consoles?!

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Comment(s)

Posted by neoernie - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:42 PM

Lies, Damn lies and...wait what?

Posted by jargy1 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:44 PM

Yeah and I came up with Windows when I was 5. Do they really think people are that stupid?

Posted by bapesta - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:47 PM

so it took them 2 uyears to make a new interface? ya right. also wats funny is these avatars arent even detailed, looks like theres 30 things to have them wear. Home anyone? even LBP has got a huge amount of stuff to creat things, infinites with the PSE

Posted by cxhxexexsxe - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:49 PM

lies, damn lies

Posted by VII - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:50 PM

does anyone really care?

Posted by Utmost_NutsZo - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:50 PM

They a damn lie.

Posted by bapesta - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:50 PM

this stuff looks so gay lol

Posted by DarkKnight45757 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:51 PM

who gives a crap!! really. Mii's are a bunch of nonsense and so are these avatar things...just shut up and go play with your games on your GAMING CONSOLE (not-your-fun-little-happy-by- bullcrap-avatar-things-that-lo ok-nothing-like human-life-and-fail-to-do-so-f or-now-and-forever-AMEN!!!!). jeez -.-

Posted by Fabricio1 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:52 PM

that's what they all say

Posted by Noirsamurai - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:53 PM

Even if they didnt who cares? its not too far off from what the ps3 is doing , difference is a different look of characters and we wont have to furnish a whole apartment. I say go for it and as long as i have my games i'm fine.

Posted by MxxPwr - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:54 PM

Same old story. Apple came up with Windows before Windows, HP came up with Windows before Apple. Doesn't matter. Only matter who comes out first. The Wii Miis came out first. End of story.

Posted by Noirsamurai - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:58 PM

This comment section is going to end up with over a hundred people in here just to personally bash the 360...sigh. we dont know what the HOME thing looks like yet so i'm interested in how thats going to turn out.

Posted by bapesta - Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:59 PM

photosharing party? u mean wat everyone can do at the same time in a ps3 chat if they wana or just leave that stuff alone? and ur not spose to see the other peoples cards in uno. that just seemed really funny. they didnt know the actuall rules to the game. lol

Posted by mEm00t - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:01 PM

If I'm gonna have mii's I want pornstar adult mii's lol

Posted by jargy1 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:04 PM

@Noirsamurai

It's not a bash against the 360. It's a lot of us calling BS on Rare. If you actually believe it took them this long to even release a screenshot of their avatar system then I have a bridge to sell you. They clearly copied an idea off Nintendo (they even look almost identical to Miis) and they aren't manning up about it. It's hilarious to some of us that they actually think we'll believe them.

If you are so serious about your 360 that you take anything negative about any company dealing with it as an attack against the system, you need to lighten up. I'm a big PS3 fan though I own all 3 consoles, but even I have to admit Home is a pretty silly idea just to get us to look at advertising all day and night.

Posted by sens - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:07 PM

Haven't you heard, Don Mattrick of Xbox invented avatars!

http://communities.canada.co m/shareit/blogs/gamesnews/arch ive/2008/07/17/xbox-head-i-inv ented-avatars.aspx

Posted by Bookshelf - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:09 PM

they jacked the Mii's definitely.

Posted by J_8lunt - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:13 PM

Nevermind who came up with the idea first, the real problem is that MS is stooping that low in the first place.

Posted by Noirsamurai - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:18 PM

I would like to purchase the brooklyn bridge, its my favorite. frankly i like the way xbox live looks now and they shouldnt change it in the first place, i think both companies are silly for wanting to creat these "characters"and "homes"...like the article said, "cant we just play games?" oh and about my little prediction that people will come in here just to bash the 360...is not far off.

Posted by TH3_1NHUM4N - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:18 PM

The whole concept of an avatar is a fail, and G4 is lucky that I can't post EFG.

Posted by Noirsamurai - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:23 PM

The more i look at those avatars that will soon be on my xbox the closer i come to crying. :o(

Posted by Al_Coholic - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:31 PM

It doesn't even matter who had what first.

Posted by ciarastar3 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:34 PM

wow...i don't know about this one.but if they came out with it first,wouldn't they have had it already on the xbox dashboard instead of waiting?

Posted by ciarastar3 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:36 PM

wow...i don't know about this one.but if they came out with it first,wouldn't they have had it already on the xbox dashboard instead of waiting?

Posted by Rajion1 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:38 PM

They went on to say that Al Gore invented the internet.

Posted by daartist401 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:46 PM

Wow, i kinda expected they would say this. Similar to Sony randomly adding motion to their control after hearing of nintendo's wiimote. Even though Nintendo Wii is not the best of the consoles for gaming, Nintendo is the only one coming up with ideas that catch on.

Posted by squarewannabe - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:47 PM

No, I invented the internet! I came up with it! I came up with it before you did!

I came up with the idea of the automobile before Ford did.

But does anybody care? NO!

Posted by Ieyke - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:56 PM

I built a Large Hadron Collider in my backyard when I was 10.

Microsoft's XBOX division and friends are getting more and more retarded all the time.

Posted by jargy1 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

Nintendo has always been the innovator in the gaming market. Shoulder buttons? Nintendo. 4 face buttons? Nintendo. Analog sticks? Nintendo. Now motion control. That doesn't mean nobody should take the ideas and run with them, but Rare should be giving credit where credit is due. Nobody and I mean NOBODY is going to believe this isn't a rip straight from the Big N.

And all this fuss amounts to nothing. I don't even plan to use this feature.

Posted by Zero_Master_Beta - Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

I like the Mii's deal. But all i hear from Microsoft on this article is a damn lie. When the Mii's came out or the whole freaking Wii console came out it already had Mii's and Rare was just sitting on their butt's the whole time. Do they seriously got any proof of this?. Of course not because like everyone else said that it was a damn lie!.

Posted by Sandrock323 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:00 PM

They are telling the truth. Only an idiot would sit around and wait for some one else to invent the product they want to sell.

Posted by blakseed - Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:12 PM

Who cares. This s%t s just sad.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:26 PM

Who cares!!! Nintendo has Mii, MS has avatars, and PS3 will have them too. I mean who gives a rats @ss. Cause if your deciding to buy any of these systems because of AVATARS then you're a RETARD!!!!!

You're gonna spend a couple of hundred dollars or close to a thousand dollars because of some stupid avatar. You do know that the main purpost of the PS3,360 and the Wii is that they are GAMING CONSULES.

Posted by Blue_Vortex - Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:33 PM

This was microsofts worst idea.
The PS3 avatars looked stupid (god damn I hate second life)
Nintendos worked because it was just a random fun thing to pass time and I could make millions without it being part of a new account.

Micrsoft skrewed up big time, I liked the dashboard and they're geting rid of it.


This is one of those things that might make me switch from pc to apple


In the future expect me to say: "I remember a time when xbox was cool and not lame."

Posted by tailsjacks - Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:52 PM

what ever happen to selling things on xbox live

Posted by mercisan - Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:58 PM

Even if they thought of it before the miis came out, it's not as if Nintendo didn't have to think about it way before they released them anyway. Besides, they are lying.

But who cares. They can have miis too. Just don't greet with someone else's hat (Don't know if Americans have that saying though)

Posted by Korwyn - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:01 PM

good job Microsoft, you guys once again have made me glad I never "one bit" like your product. what a lame excuse!! I thought the reason Sony adding PS3 trophy system was lame. Atleast they admit that they had to do it because they didn't want ignore the requests of their consumers.

so is there anything else you have thought to do you wanna share before everybody else do it before you? Maybe the "home" system?

Posted by gamerguy727 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:02 PM

do not believe that. 360 came out in 05 and wii came out in 07...i think. so it takes them 3 years to make a mii-like feature? i think not.

Posted by mac11s (BANNED) - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:04 PM

copycat360 home is the best...

Posted by evilriku - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:16 PM

@jargy1
Nintendo did not come up with the shoulder buttons. PS1 did. PS1 was released in 1994. N64 was released in 1996. AND PS1 made the analog sticks... too! Dont talk about Nintendo always making inovative things. they still havent beat Last gen graphics... which is quite sad.

Posted by evilriku - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:23 PM

360 came up with the miitar- i mean avatars first(BS). whats with xplay doing a 5 hour event to the "relauching" of the 360 dashboard, THE DASHBOARD!
this is BS G4 and Xplay r so bias when it comes to the 360.

Posted by evilriku - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:25 PM

"That's certainly one way to look at it and we're sure that they are telling the truth."

come on xplay... seriously.

If thats not enough proof that Xplay is bias then we truly live in a generation with dumb gamerz.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:53 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by kikook - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:54 PM

Its obvious that MS is trying to get kids to buy it.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:58 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:59 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by masterownage777 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:00 PM

Evil u r completly right xplay is the most biased gaming reviewers ever comon if u dont see it ur blind and wtf is up wit ms avatars dont take 3 yrs to make if u want to copy someones idea give them credit and acknowledge thier good idea dont try to take credit for it wtf ms has to be the biggest @$$$hole company on the planet all the give a cr@p about is money(not like everyone else isnt any diferent) avatars arent that great adding avatars wont get people to buy a console home might in some cases but very few these are GAMING CONSOLES MS you r just making bs that noone with a brain would believe

Posted by masterownage777 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:01 PM

Maybe MS should spend thier money on some decent games like the ps3 does

Posted by Colonol_Carter - Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:03 PM

for one i think this is total bull. and second maybe they did have the idea before the wii came out but its not like they were first to think of it, its not like nintendo just decided to throw in mii's a week b4 release. nintendo had it planned way b4 microsoft

Posted by norrinsands - Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:06 PM

M$$$$ IS THE DEVIL!!! EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS A LIE!!!! THEIR GAMES ARE THE WORST EVAR!!!!


Seriously, the posters here are a bunch of moron dillbags. Snow Crash invented avatars about ten years ago.

Nintendo had a great idea of making simple not-very-graphic intensive avatars to heavily incorporate into the game experience itself.

Yes, MS obviously was influenced by the Wii's sucess. Get over yourselves.

And btw, I'm still waiting for the PS3 to have a good game (MGS4 doesn't count). I guess soon it'll have Bioshock.

Posted by DanielleTHM - Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:22 PM

It's one thing to monopolize on the avatar thing, but claiming it as their own is silly. I bet Xbox360 customers will get about 20 "things" for their avatars, everything else will be for sale on Xbox live, SuX0r DeLuX0r for you Xbox people.

P.S. Don't forget to buy batteries for your 'wireless' controlers, MUAHAHA!

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:29 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:00 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:02 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:03 PM

Shouldn't RARE worry about making some decent games for the 360??? Or is this the big project that Microsoft bought them for?

Where are the games?

And hopefully we will have a choice on whether we want to use the Miis.... Opps, I mean Avatars... or not.

Posted by Moonbaseone - Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:20 PM

Why does the story repost my comment each time I hit reload on my brwser????

Posted by evilriku - Thursday, September 11, 2008 6:32 PM

@masterownage777
I agree

@norrinsands
alright name me a great EXCLUSIVE game that 360 has and Halo 3 dosent count( see how stupid that sounds )

Posted by kshell11724 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:04 PM

Ya you know what i dont care im just wondering whats going to happen to gamrpictures and themes after this update happens because ive spent a few bucks and dont want that to be replaced by gay avatars. By the way read DarkKnights comment it had me cracking up.

Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:52 PM

the big difference between this and ps3 is that you can expect the new xbox live features to actually RELEASE to the public for free and on time before ps3 home even drops another closed beta.

Posted by Sonicguy74 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:03 PM

@gamerguy727
The Wii came out in '06.

Not that I care or anything, but RARE had a year's time before the release of the Wii and Miis to get their 'avatars' on to the 360 and they tell us about this now?

Posted by blakseed - Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 PM

@staychisel
Knew that was coming.

Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:28 PM

^yeah because logic reigns supreme

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:39 PM

@evilriku
Shoulder buttons were introduced by Nintendo on the Super Nintendo in 90/91

Posted by mercisan - Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:30 PM

^
Damn! you beat me to it

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Friday, September 12, 2008 5:13 AM

Whatever makes M$ feel better about ripping off Nintendo Miis.

Posted by Close_Shave - Friday, September 12, 2008 9:05 AM

As I understand it, you don't have to have an avatar. So seriously, aside from 10 year olds, is anyone going to use this anyway? Meh.

Posted by Thundercracker - Friday, September 12, 2008 9:12 AM

@moonbaseone

no one else knows where that name comes from

Posted by Hellmetal789 - Friday, September 12, 2008 10:09 AM

i wouldnt be suprised rare did have a few casual games, and they are number one exclusive dev on 360 atm even more than microsoft game studios, they have many more exculsives on the way next year too.

maybe they should change the name from xbox360 to rarebox360.

i like rare though they make alot of good games.

Posted by wiitube - Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:02 PM

this is a load of crap.i may be a deep nintendo fan but i like playing my friends 360 some times but i have only played ps3 once and it felt kool but just not my style and no i am not a 3 year old i'm 13 years old and i'm going to stick with nintendo threw good times (n64, super smash bros brawl) and bad ( wii music)

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