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'Gears of War 2' Multiplayer Hands-On Impressions

Posted by Brian Leahy - Friday, August 29, 2008 11:11 PM

One of the biggest reasons to come to PAX 2008 is the first public hands-on showing of the highly-anticipated Gears of War 2 multiplayer modes. We put some time in with the game and are ready to give you our hands-on impressions of Epic's great follow-up to the addicting multiplayer of the original Gears of War.

First things first... the game is 5 versus 5 and it definitely adds a lot more action to the matches. Thankfully, adding two more players doesn't seem to have slowed down the game and it runs smooth, even is the most hectic firefights. We cannot comment on how these two extra gamers will affect lag over Xbox Live as we were playing over a local System Link.

So is the game "bigger, better, and more badass?"

Yes. Yes it is. If you were a fan of the original Gears, we're pretty sure you're also going to love Gears of War 2. It takes everything that was great about the first game, amps it up, and adds a lot of new things to freshen up the gameplay. Let's take a look at the new weapons first. Sadly, we didn't get to try them all.

New & Updated Weapons

  • Flamethrower (NEW) - The flamethrower is definitely brutal and can down an enemy in a matter of seconds. An active reload sends the guns range into overdrive and it's fairly deadly from a good distance away. We think we also noticed a bit of splash damage for burning people behind cover, but don't quote us. While the original power weapons from Gears seemed to focus on ranged power, the flamethrower will become the dominant force in close-quarters combat.
  • Boomshot (UPDATED) - The Boomshot is mostly the same, but now comes with three rockets for all your gibbing pleasure!
  • Shield (NEW) - The shield deflects bullets and melee strikes alike, but locks you to a pistol. It can be planted in the ground to be used as an improvised piece of cover. A group of two teammates can move on an enemy position with a shield up front with a good deal of success. Gears of War has always been a cover-based game and going mobile with cover takes the game to the next level.
  • Gas Grenade (NEW) - The gas grenade is an effective area-denial weapon, but it's a little hard to see the gas. We noticed a few people standing in the gas without even realizing they were being damaged. It doesn't obscure your vision like smoke grenades, however.
  • Smoke Grenade (UPDATED) - Get ready for this... smoke grenades are useful now. Extremely useful. All players start with two smoke grenades and will actually use them. The new smoke grenades will send enemies flying with a forceful explosion before laying down a smoke screen. This is great for clearing out the area around a power weapon and grabbing a bigger gun while your enemies struggle to their feet.
  • Planting Grenades (NEW) - Grenades can be planted on walls and cover and act as proximity mines to enemies. We were able to get some great kills by covering the corners with frags and smoke grenades while retreating.

Maps

  • River - River was playable and fits the formula for a great Gears map. Players start on opposite sides above a canal, which has the Boomshot in the middle under a bridge. On top of the bridge, the flamethrower sits in between some sandbags. On either side of this bridge are each team's tower, which holds the sniper rifle in one and the torque bow in the other. It plays well and was definitely the better of the two new maps we played.
  • Security - This map features a laser grid guarding a power weapon, but no one seemed to figure out how to turn them off. They were happy to congregate in the middle for some straight-up fragging. It's a well-designed map, but we're concerned it'll play out like Garden with no one bothering to turn the gas off to grab the sniper rifles.
  • Gridlock - Gridlock has received a makeover, but plays exactly the same. This is a good thing.

Updated Melee System

Chainsaw duels are exciting, awesome, and bring the thrill of a button mashing mini-game to sawing your opponent in half. Unlike Gears of War, the sequel doesn't offer invulnerability to the man with the saw. You better make sure you're in the clear before revving your Lancer, but catch your enemy from the back and get a great new bottom-to-top sawing animation.

We are pretty sure we also saw melee clashes (think about swords in Halo 3), which would send players back from each other with no damage dealt. This should help deal with lag issues deciding who hit the melee first.

We also noticed a lot more chainsaw kills, but this could be due to the 5th man on a team.

New Observer Mode

The original Gears had a fairly lackluster observer mode for deceased players, but this is all fixed for Gears 2. You'll get the original chase cam and map views, but Epic has added a full, free-floating camera for manual observation. It definitely lets you keep on top of all the action instead of watching your stupid teammate search around the map for that elusive enemy they just can't seem to find.

Stopping Power and The Tale of the Nerfed Shotgun

Stopping power is a BIG deal. It completely changes the flow of the game and mostly puts an end to the frantic shotgun dance that was so popular in the original game. It's much harder to charge an opponent head-on, as you will lose all of your speed as you take more fire. This makes the Lancer extremely powerful at mid-range because shotgun users will have a harder time closing the gap.

This doesn't mean, however, that the shotgun isn't still deliciously powerful up close and personal. Well, unless your opponent has picked a downed enemy up and is using them as a...

Meat Shield

The meat shield is a useful new ability that let's players grab a downed enemy as a human (or Locust) shield. The enemy's corpse holds up quite nicely to incoming fire and will even take a few shotgun blasts before it disintegrates. If you have any skill with the pistol, you'll probably want to think twice about curb stomping your foes and start picking them up for a nice shield instead.

Crawling

When you're downed, but not out, you'll be able to tap the 'A' button and a direction to crawl away from your impending death. It won't get you too far, but it can get you behind cover to give your teammate time to come revive you or even make an enemy miss from a distance.

Player Lobby

While we weren't playing on Xbox Live, we were able to check out the party system before each match. There were several options we noticed including selecting your starting weapon, map voting, and changing gametypes on the fly. Definitely an improvement over the first game and we can't wait to see how it performs on Live.

Closing Thoughts

At the end of the day, Gears of War 2 takes the team-oriented gameplay from the original game to the next level. There are more options, balance fixes, and two more players. We still regularly play Gears of War, and we're looking forward to playing Gears of War 2 for the next 2 years.




Comment(s)

Posted by edtcaliber - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:01 AM

that is so dope map vetoin changin game types and starting weapon of chose gears of war two is going to become the beastliest game evr

Posted by blakseed - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:37 AM

I m not gonna bulls%t. This game is gonna be bad ass.

Posted by DAREALGUMMY - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:19 AM

Is execution mode back?

Posted by iCondemned - Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:17 AM

Awesome. I can not wait for this game to come out. I am so going to lose my virginity to it. Hells yeah!

Posted by beanmachine77 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:20 AM

gonna be ill

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:28 AM

If it supported more than ten players I might have bought it on my PC and played it online for free but now that I know it will only support ten players this time instead of eight, no thanks. I understand that this is the only potential good game coming up for the 360 so I see why you guys are so excited about it but it won't be enough for the killer PS3 line up. Don't forget, all of your so called exclusives are available on the PC to play online for free.

Posted by Jedihunter15 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:28 AM

Woot! I sucked at the original GoW, but Ill give this one a shot!

Posted by bapesta - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:40 AM

5 v 5 is a big match? wtf

Posted by dj8002 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:40 AM

@RedRingOfDeath
Why start a flame war?

I will definitely be picking up this game though

Posted by x2dzfreak - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:43 AM

The PS3 lineup actually is pretty weak. LBP looks promising, and GoW 3 is a no-brainer, but thats pretty it. Oh, and Resistance 2 looks cool. Killzone 2 is still up in the air since the 1st one sucked. And Mr. CliffyB stated it is not coming to PC.

Posted by santjnthn - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:49 AM

One of the Biggest reasons to own an Xbox 360, and when I say one, I mean Gears of War 2, Xbox 360 has so much more on its way.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:53 AM

I thought that XBL was supposed to be so great, if so then why can't they add more than ten players without worrying about lag. PS3 exclusive multiplayers support 30, 40, and 60 players with no lag and its free. So you guys pay a fee so that you can talk to others boys while playing different games and leave each other voice messages and play Jonas Brothers in the background while playing a game. WOW!

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:02 AM

@santjnthn

Much more on the way, like what?

Fable 2- the first one sucked
Left 4 Dead- PC pot
Banjo Kazooie- sure
Too Human- 5.5 Gamestop
Infinite Undiscovery- 7.1 IGN
Viva Pinata 2- don't think so

You do have Halo 4 on the next Xbox but until then you have to enjoy Gears 2 for the next few years because that's it.

Posted by TWinkles - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:24 AM

dont be hatin' rrod Gears2 will defeat res2 when is ps3 gettin L4D you got 1 good exclusive comin out thats LBP so ps3 fans can wait for there actually good exclusives gow3 uncharted2 killzone2 and heavy rain we 360 players will be playin are good exclusives RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

Posted by phillyguerrilla - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:45 AM

all you people trying to start a xbl 360 v3 psn ps3 war need to STFU pronto.

this is about gow2... PERIOD. if you dont like it then go to a ps3 forum and rant your head off. they're both great systems with weaknesses and strengths. thats why most real gamers have both sytems. all you so-called "core" system people arent true gamers so your opinion is ASS.

F#%K you and have a good day!

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:57 AM

looks good... but it's not something that I feel I got to go and buy a 360 for.... and it will eventually come out on PC...

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:07 AM

ya come on RedRingOfDeath, us ps3 fans are better than that. we only rant if xbots come in on us and start sh%t. then THATS when we take them down. but not here.

ill happily be waiting for this to come to PC... which will be forever it seems like...

Posted by Delaystation_3 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:20 AM

november is going to be a great month i can not wait for gears 2.

Posted by GrandReaper999 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:37 AM

This site is full of trolls...

The game looks awesome, a real step up from the original. I dont think anyone (aside from wii users) have ANYTHING to complain about in terms of games, especially this holiday season. PS3 ppl, be happy ur getting R2 and KZ2 and the 3 or 4 other great exclusives, and 360 ppl, have fun with Fable2 and Gears2 (they're both looking really good).

Posted by mrbeer64 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:04 AM

Gears 2: Greyer, Beiger, and now with HUGE 5v5 online matches
;)

i'm just kidding. the first was fun, although the bad dialogue, lack of story, and repetitive environments got old.

Posted by raziel_hell - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:09 AM

GrandReaper999 Has to be hard to pick games this year if u have both systems cash wize and time wize.

Posted by J_8lunt - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:37 AM

This game is going to be so freaking sweet. Oh, and isn't Resistance 2 coming out that same week? I'm going to be poor by 2009.

Posted by husker_360 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:38 AM

RedRingofDeath you might want to listen to Bookshelf, endangered species (PS3 Owners) die quickly when they stray from the pack.

I don't think you fully understand this 5v5 concept Red. The game is not supposed to be 30v30, because it is not the "run and gun, no-strategy chaos" that Resistence 2 will be. The game is a combination of strategy, teamwork, good shooting, and luck. For the record, no PS3 game currently sustains 60 players, so it's kind of stupid to talk down to XBL for not doing what you're not doing. Stupid Stupid Stupid boy.

P.S.- I GUARANTEE there is lag in R2. PS3 multiplayer always has the same quality...Poor.

Posted by Darkshadowkg - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:41 AM

Everyone i don't have a 360 but i am very excited for the pc version of this :P

and also stop talking about the linup of games on each console. really some people will like one line up than the other depending on what they like and probably have the console that has the games they enjoy more. i can see rrod having a ps3 and TWinkles will have a 360.

the thing is there being narsistic blind, arrogant there right bastards like those 911 conspirisists that think they there right and need other people to belive them and just counter arguments and compeletly ignore the opposing side leading to an never ending flame war.

Posted by Darkshadowkg - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:45 AM

also husker are you playing resistance 2 ight now cus if your not you can't garuntee anything/ random comment

guys btw if it comes out on pc it isn't an exclusive but it should still be a kick a$$ game except for left 4 dead or any valve game. if you don't get a valve game on pc you fail. example (tf2)

Posted by hyrulefantic - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:13 AM

I just hope it doesnt update every single day like gears one does.

Posted by kobebryantyanic - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:36 AM

I hope the pc version has more than 10 players, comon epic, make it at least 16. Anyways, i'll be playing this on my pc next year, i assume it's gonna be the better version to get. But if it's still 10 player, i won't buy it. After resistance raises the bar in november, less than 16 player in a shooters will be unacceptable.

Posted by mercisan - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:38 AM

Man, I wish I had more time to play online. I'm gonna get my ass kicked. Gears was my reason to get a 360, so you can bet your ass I'm getting this one too :)

Posted by kobebryantyanic - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:58 AM

SO Husker, i guess socom should have been 5vs5 then based on your point of view. Socom is the best strategy shooter franchise, yet it has always supported 32 players. So you're saying that a 8vs8 match will ruin gears of war. And for your record, i have never experienced lag in resistance, and that's fact. No professional reviewer have experienced lag in resistance either, and that game support 40 players, go figure. You'll be very disappointed if you thing r2 will be laggy, you xbox fanboys just have no idea of how lag free psn is.

Posted by Chuckupman - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:04 PM

@RedRingOfDeath

they only have ten players because ten players was the funnest way they could make it.

and believe me they could have way more players(were talking about unreal engine 3 here) but ten players was the funest.

Posted by jacob949494 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:17 PM

socom sucks i cant stand that game ever since i played it one my friends ps2 and psp.... that games is more sucky then haze

Posted by TWinkles - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:26 PM

OH YEAH CHAINSAW DUELS

Posted by unfungames - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:35 PM

RedRingOfDeath is a Sony fanboy. you cant tell him anything. He's even dumb enough to believe Sony has good games coming out this year for the PS3, which they dont. They've got 4 games...while the 360 has 10 exclusives and 2 huge timed exclusives (Rock Band 2 and Last Remnant). MS has the game of the year, without a doubt, in GOW2. The end.

Go reserve Motorstorm and play the same 6 tracks over and over and over again..

You know Sony's in trouble when the only game people have to look forward to is a side scroller that could have been on a PS1.

Posted by unfungames - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:40 PM

"Fable 2- the first one sucked
Left 4 Dead- PC pot
Banjo Kazooie- sure
Too Human- 5.5 Gamestop
Infinite Undiscovery- 7.1 IGN
Viva Pinata 2- don't think so "

1. Fable 1 was great and you never played it.

2. you didnt mention Tales of Vesperia, which is getting great reviews. Good overlook, fanboy

3. Viva Pinata was great - rated higher on most sites than Resistance 1, by the way, which is the only game coming out for the PS3 this year

4. Gamestop doesnt review games, newb

5. I'll be playing Rock Band 2 and Last Remnang a month before you are. pwned

6. You wont be playing Left 4 Dead

7. Portal: Still Alive

8. GTA4 DLC

9. Fallout 3 DLC

10. still no exclusive RPGs for the PS3...even after 2 years. yet you try to bash Fable. Someones very bitter

Enjoy Little Big Planet...Go play a primitive side scroller with no campaign and no enemies. have fun pushing a rock around for the 5 minutes its fun.

Posted by partyboy8967 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:03 PM

wow 5v5 is enough gears of war is a team based game and there are no respawns so if u had 10v10 it would no longer be a team based game people would run around randomly killing and it would take the feel out of a game if u want a big team battle play cod4 or halo but gears if far diffrent from those games and stop complaining the xbox an ps3 both have there ups and downs its all about opinions

Posted by partyboy8967 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:04 PM

wow 5v5 is enough gears of war is a team based game and there are no respawns so if u had 10v10 it would no longer be a team based game people would run around randomly killing and it would take the feel out of a game if u want a big team battle play cod4 or halo but gears if far diffrent from those games and stop complaining the xbox an ps3 both have there ups and downs its all about opinions

Posted by Up1nYa1fYaLetMe - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:25 PM

sounds good to me

Posted by WarcraftBonus - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:36 PM

@RedRingof Death

Fable 1 got a 9.5 from game informer.

You forgot Halo Wars

You forgot Tales of Vesperia

You forgot Star Ocean 4


What does ps3 have? LBP? Looks pretty gay, I don't settle for such shallow mechanics. Killzone2? 1st one sucked. Resistance 2? Is that the best you can offer? the first one got an 86 on game rankings, which is nothing special, since viva pinata has an 85.

Posted by Darkshadowkg - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:37 PM

portal still alive is on pc already for fee- left for dead on pc will have fee updates soon after release, and guys there is more than resistance and lbp coming out for ps3 but if those are the only games you think will be good and don't justify the purchase than fine. some people though likke them and warhawk, and the other games but i don't feel like listing them.

goto partybo8967 for some sensibility

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:19 PM

@unfungames

Your name says it all. Xbox games are unfun. You people say LBP is gay, what about banjo and viva pinata.

@WarcraftBonus

I didn't forget Star Ocean, Halo Wars, and Tales of whatever, they will all suck.

And enjoy your GTA4 DLC that will cost you $20 dollars because that is the last Rockstar game that you guys will ever get again. Rockstar now belongs to Sony. PWNED.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:20 PM

Can an Xbot aswer my question? Why don't M$ charge me to play my PC games online but they do charge you idiots to play online? PWNED.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:23 PM

Yeah, yeah, Xbox has great games coming up. Sure. You guys said the same thing about Too Human and Infinite Undiscovery. PWNED.

Posted by Chuckupman - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:23 PM

PS3 just got F#%ked up the @$$

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:30 PM

If the Xbox had a multiplayer with more than 10 players, the Xbox would burn up and die or the disk would scratch or you would get an E74 error or it would stop reading disks or explode. Wow that machine is a piece of crap. M$ sold 16 million systems but had to fix 24 million. Pathetic.

Posted by J_8lunt - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:36 PM

I have both a PS3 and a 360. I'm going to get both Gow 2 and R2. So I win.

P.S.: Gears 2 isn't even coming to the pc. If you don't believe me, LOOK IT UP.

Posted by gambitjuggalo - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:40 PM

wow why do so many people bitch about which system is better. whatever happened to just enjoying and playing a videogame... idiots

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:51 PM

OMG YOU PEOPLE! I THOUGHT WE AGREED NOT TO FLAME!! STOP BEING N00bS AND STFU

Posted by WarcraftBonus - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:52 PM

You this RedRingofDeath guy is an idiot. He can enjoy his mediocre shooter sequels and LBP gayness, I'll enjoy my hardcore chainsaw action and sick rpg's. Maybe I'd get a ps3 if its games looked good, but they don't.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:00 PM

Silly silly xbots. All you have is this gears 2. No wonder you guys are so mad, that and the fact that your xboxes are probably broken again.

For the record, I'll be playing MGS4, Socom, Resistance 2, God of War 3, Killzone 2, and yes LBP.

And guess what, my disks won't scratch, my PS3 won't crash and burn, and I get to play lag free for free. Yippee! PWNED.

Posted by GrandReaper999 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:16 PM

I don't even own a 360 (I personally don't believe it's a better alternative to high-end pc gaming that's all).

I do however have a PS3, and a great Pc, and recognize that this year is going to be as good or better than last year for the 360, and the PS3 is also going to have a great holiday season, undoubtly Sony's best in a while..

And to all the retard PS3 users on here being trolls, stop it, you make the rest of us PS3 users look like morons..

Posted by loco91 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:19 PM

dang thid rrod guys a little to fired up.

sold 16 and fix 24? how do you fix 24 if you sell 16???

and incase you dont know, its 10 vs. 10 for a reason.

oh and halo and cod4 hold more than 10 players and i havnt heard of systems burning up from that.

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:23 PM

...

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:30 PM

"And to all the retard PS3 users on here being trolls, stop it, you make the rest of us PS3 users look like morons.."

yes!! did you hear that RedRingOfDeath ?? you're making us all look bad.

@GrandReaper999
same here man, if you got a great pc, what's the point? lol

Posted by Shadow_B_jamin - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:41 PM

They spent and hour of PAX on X-play and didn't show this?

Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:03 PM

gears matches are fine just the way they are. it would be absolutely frustrating to have a ton of players online. it's all about ducking, dodging and trying to spot the noob who isn't in cover. there are these things in games called "mechanics" and "physics", if you game alot then you know what's possible and what's not.

Posted by Chuckupman - Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:16 PM

Im totaly going to chainsaw some of you @$$holes online.

Posted by mybum - Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:19 PM

redringofdeath

multiplayer with 30,40 ppl is actually bad, its for noobs who try t get 1 or 2 kills and die. less ppl actually makes the game more tactical. u like multiplayer games with more ppl at once so that u can get 1 or 2 cheap kills by stealing from ur teammate.

Posted by drogalyon - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:35 PM

dude i'm so glad i own a ps3 and 360 so none of any of the insults bashing each platform affect me, anyway gears of war 2 looks to be one of,if not the, biggest game coming out this year

Posted by face0324 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:20 PM

games now adays are getting bigger and bigger as multiplayer goes so why the hell does gears2 only have 5v5 thats pathetic, if their doing it cuz their isnt enough room on the disc then i understand but even if that is the case they should have one disc for single player and coop campaign and another for online multiplayer.

Posted by JTHMROCKS - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:28 PM

face0324
Ever played Gears online? Trust me, more than 5 participants would NOT be fun. Gears is not like a fps, like most people associate it with. When you die in Gears....you are dead. No respawns. No talking to your teammates (unless their dead too). Nothing but spectating until the round is over. And rounds can generally run for 10 minutes or longer if I remember correctly.

Posted by ctlaltdel - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:27 PM

to those complaining about 5 vs 5 like many have said before me it fits better on a game like gears. and yes 360 can handle more than 10. frontlines had 25 vs 25 multiplayer. so quit trying to make it some sort of complaint both systems handle multiplayer big or small fine in my opinion. 10 people can have just as much fun on a game like gears than 50 to 60 people on a fps or hundreds and thousands of people on a mmo but dont get me wrong those are fun too.

Posted by kobebryantyanic - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:53 AM

If more than 10 people was really bad for shooters that need strategie like a lot of y'all say, then again, why does the socom franchise holds more than that, graw franchise?? rainbow? You blind microsoft fanboys will defend the xbox even with your own lives, just like you defend the rrod, and the lack of 1st party support on that console, pretty pathetic nerds.

Posted by xSniper209LHSx - Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:23 AM

RedRingOfDeath shut up, just because you are a major fan boy of the ps3 or wii or whatever the hell you play doesnt mean you have to start a flame war...and pretty much what exclusives are for the xbox mean they are exclusive to microsoft...anyway this game is going to be awesome and so is fable 2 since the first fable was awesome

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:18 AM

I don't see why ps3 fans wish to come to a thread about a game they do not like and complain? lol Gears of war 2, i loved the first.. I am well sure the second one will deliver,

Fable 2 looks awesome, Fallout 3, even more awesome, honestly every system has "Their" games which define that system.

and don't tell me there is no lag on the playstation 3.. I have played one, and I have experienced some lag issues... 3box360 has lag as well, Lag will be there its something you can't compare between a system, they are both connecting to the same internet.

You buy a system for entertainment, what you find in the system, or the game *for that system* that entertains, or gets you "into" it, For me.. i have a Wii and a 360, there are a few games i Wii i like to play, and theres some on the 360 i like as well. Gears of war being one of those games. ^_^

Posted by Delaystation_3 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:45 AM

@ kobebryantyanic

no one is saying having more than 10 is or would be bad some of us just simply think that the gears multiplayer is fine the way their doing it. way bigger isn't always better. and we are not the only ones who can get defensive. some of you ps3 guys go nuts trying to defend the ps3 on things like when it needs patches or some of your exclusives get bad reviews. not flaming but some of you guys do it just as much as some of us do. look at RedRingOfDeath.

Posted by WhiteTrash - Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:30 AM

I can't wait to get yelled at 10 year olds on gears of war 2!

Posted by Chuckupman - Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:46 AM

I love Gears. what other game allows you to chainsaw people in half, stomp their head in, blow their head off, or (my personal favorite) the ability to stab a grenade into someone and whatch from a distance as they franticaly run around and finaly explode into a pile of human flesh?

Yes the GORE! I Love the GORE!!!!

Posted by blade_killer_479 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:42 AM

w00t Gears 2!!!!

Looks much better than the first and much more balenced 2. No more shotgun battles all the time!!!!

Posted by gearsjunky - Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:48 AM

shut up RedRingOfDeath PS3 sucks gears2 is gonna be the best game ever!!!!!

Posted by Al_Coholic - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:01 AM

All you stupid fanboys are gonna be the ones missing out. I'll be enjoying Resistance 2, Gears 2, LittleBigPlanet, Socom, Banjo-Kazooie, Left 4 Dead... Have fun whining on the internet.

Posted by gearsjunky - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:17 AM

u suck all of thous game are really good

Posted by Haylo34 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:36 AM

Awsome!!!!!!!!!

Posted by TWinkles - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:55 PM

rrod has a point usually most of the rpg's and the strategy games suck on 360 halo wars is could be a dissapointment and infinite undiscovery which has been in our heads for about a year is just gettin okay reviews but 360 has better exclusives

Posted by husker_360 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:56 PM

@RedRingofDeath

Good job, you officially lost respect among your own kind! That's right, even retarded chimps (PS3 fanboys) hate your radical extremism.

Then I see unfungames completely tear down any puddle of an argument you had, and it is really funny how he quoted you and kicked your ass point by point.

Well, you can at least get off the computer and play your Game of the Year MGS4....
What's that? Halo 3 won that award? Oh...well, at least more people enjoy their PS3's....
What's that? 360 also is the favorite console of 2008? Well, at least you will have all of the spotlight in November, when Resistence 2 is released...
What's that? Gears of War 2, the Game of the Year sequel with a higher number of players, higher game rating, and higher replay value is being released?

What DO you have on that PS3? Watching your man-love porn in Blu-Ray???

Posted by Ramzyhoodle - Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:08 PM

i only own a ps3, but i support both, gears 2 will be amazing(5v5 makes the rounds shorter so ur not sittin there for 10 min waitn for everybody to die), r2 is gonna be awesome too, u cant compare those two, they r 2 diff. Killzone2 is awesome to, coverbased fps combat... never seen that before. Fable 2, im glad more rpgs r comin out, there havent been many good ones lately.

all you xbox fanboys need to stop dissing r2 for being frantic chaos, u all loved halo which is the same thing. to all my fellow ps3 users, we wish we could play gears and fable, and you know it.

but truthfully, ps3 has a better lineup, but dont be sad xbots, u have a few awesome games coming out. SO EVERYBODY STOP BEING NOOBS!!

Posted by husker_360 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:10 PM

P.S. To answer a few statements:

@Kobebryant-whatever-your-na me-is,

your SOCOM theory is completely off dopic of the derivitive point I was trying to make. Clearly you are too stupid to understand it, so I will not bother responding to you other than now. Rainbow Six Vegas is terrible, and GRAW is only decent. SOCOM is good, but it's no Gears of War (THE MOST STRATEGIC GAME ON THE MARKET) You are an inbred with a PS3, don't get on this forum anymore.

@RedRingOfDeath

PC games actually have a monthly fee for multiplayer, it's called the internet bill. Don't believe me? Try not paying that bill and see how much multiplayer gaming you are doing. The PS3 and 360 also stem from the internet obviously, so anyone playing online is paying for internet, and so paying for multiplayer. I hopefully don't need to explain to you how World of Warcraft and Conan have monthly payments do I?

Posted by GX_OBLIVION - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:17 PM

I was terrible at the first Gears but I loved the campaign and the multiplayer looks to be an improvement.

Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:13 PM

let's not forget, gears allows you to shoot someone in the kneecap and they actually buckle in response. i dunno, but i just f#cking love that aspect. whenever i play other online shooters i sometimes find myself shooting at their knees and then getting owned in the process cause i'm expecting them to fall down.

Posted by husker_360 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:09 PM

^^^ Hell yeah!! The game has the highest detail in every aspect. I especially love the game's weapons. Nowhere else can you find such unique weapons as:

A machine gun with a chainsaw

A crossbow that shoots explosive arrows

Mace-style grenades that can be stuck to enemies

A gun that signals a laser beam from an overhead satellite.

Plus I can turn the Tyro Train and Garden Pesticide System into weapons if ya know what I mean ; )

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:10 PM

@husker_360

If you pay an internet bill to play online then why do you still have to pay M$? You can't be serious. At least you had the guts to answer the question, no other xbot had the balls. Nice try though.

To the rest of you losers, I'll be making my own platform on LBP while you play the same old gears rehash. BORING. You know you want LBP and God of War 3 and others.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:11 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot, PS3 RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by disturbedemon - Monday, September 1, 2008 12:41 AM

already been said but....


gears 2 = game of the year

sony/ps3 fanboys can't do nothing about it other than troll an cry.


verrry sad.


on a side note, ps3 still doesn't have any rpg's.

lol where as 360 has like 4 or more good ones and more on the way.

good stuff.

Posted by Fonkeymunkey - Monday, September 1, 2008 5:36 AM

no 1 will read this because im so far down on the comments page but the guy above is right

Posted by Fonkeymunkey - Monday, September 1, 2008 5:55 AM

hers a comment that im putting on here after reading all of red ring of death comments he is stupid im xbox360 owner and i have no problems with the ps3. but he is acting like some baby that is mad about ps3 getting some pretty good games and that the 360 is also getting a great line up also. so rrod STFU ur just making urself look like a ret@rd.

Posted by UNrealx007 - Monday, September 1, 2008 6:52 AM

RedRingOfDeath u must have no life to come onto g4 web site and bad mouth xbox and all ur talk about all the games u have or r going to get and ur most likely going to play for days on end and have no social life what so ever and have no freinds and will weigh 400pounds!!
o and XBOX RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Posted by loco91 - Monday, September 1, 2008 7:15 AM

well they gonna have fallout right?

Posted by Delaystation_3 - Monday, September 1, 2008 7:40 AM

@ RROD

if you would rather play a game about dressing up dolls and building a little area to let them play in thats fine. btw no one is upset 360 wont get lpb and never will be. but its clear someone like you is upset that the ps3 will never get gears and possible the pc wont get it either. and i wont lie i like gow series and would love to play gow3 but lets be realistic here that game wont be out for about 2 or 3 years and thats if everything stays on schedule for that game and doesnt get delayed.

Posted by J_8lunt - Monday, September 1, 2008 7:59 AM

I'll be playn both GoW2 and R2... in the same frickn week! So once again, anyone smart enough to but both a Ps3 and a 360 wins. BOO-YAH! If you don't have the money for both, it's understandable, but if your just being stuborn, your an IDIOT.

Posted by Chuckupman - Monday, September 1, 2008 8:47 AM

two words.....MEAT SHIELDS!

Posted by vvoody - Monday, September 1, 2008 9:44 AM

Ok, it seems that every time I'm checking out the comments for a xbox related story there is at least one ps3 fanboy that has to come in and TRY to ruin it for us. Then someone shuts them down completely and they instantly start going on about how we have to pay to play online. Its really not a big deal having to pay 50 bucks a year to be able too play online. Yea you guys get it for free, but you don't get the same quality of fun and enjoyment as us xbox owners. And trust me I know, I've played the ps online.
I'm just saying, stop trying to prove that ps3 is better. We only say omething in defense of our system. But you guys come in here like you have something to prove and we aren't buying it.

Posted by blakseed - Monday, September 1, 2008 9:51 AM

Are people really still flaming? 3 days later? Damn.

Posted by II0nESH0TII - Monday, September 1, 2008 10:05 AM

i was there and let me tell u that the game is very polished and had no bugs what so ever and ran very smoothly, it looked fantastic

Posted by husker_360 - Monday, September 1, 2008 10:25 AM

Blakseed, this doesn't really suprise you. We have flamed for weeks before and you know it lol.

@RRoD

I wasn't arguing with you about paying for XBL. I could, but that's a completely other debate. I'm talking about PC multiplayer. You have to have internet just to play it. Internet costs money. Argument over, it's not free.

I think XBL is a service. They provide me with something worth buying. Put it this way, you wouldn't get your car fixed for free; if it was free, they probably f%#ked up somewhere in the repairs. Another analogy: The napkins are free in the fancy restaraunt, but you have to pay for the steak dinner.

P.S.- I understand $50 a year for online, but why pay $60 dollars for crappy games? That's a much greater sin you're committing PS3 owners.

Posted by Al_Coholic - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:13 AM

Saying the internet cost money is the stupidest argument I've ever read on these forums. You know what else cost money? Electricity, without that you stupid f#%kholes couldn't even turn your precious consoles on. Well here's a question for. If you pay for the internet, then why do you have to pay to play games online when you already paid to have internet? Seriously, just get the f#%k out of here if that's you the best argument you have against PSN and most PC games having free online. Disgusting...

Posted by DaSaintFan - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:45 AM

someone explain to me how "5 vs. 5" is going to be "huge", when every other game out there is usually a 8 vs. 8 minimum?

I understand it's supposed to be because there's more going on in the background, but I just can't see a 5 vs. 5 game as something to tout as a major improvement?

The weapons list update is solid.. except for the 'smoke grenade' update? Bleh.. that's not what a Smoker is for....

Posted by ddf - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:55 AM

ok killzone is next year gow3 maybe in tree year the only game your have is R2 and we have fable gow2 letf4dead and like 4 rpg more

Posted by loco91 - Monday, September 1, 2008 1:26 PM

read other gears2 posts. it has arguments explaining it

Posted by Darkshadowkg - Monday, September 1, 2008 1:50 PM

ddf turust me when i say get left for dead for pc cuz it's valve for peats sake and there planing to do what they were doing to tf2.

oh and lets stop talking gears..... I'M A CHARGIN MAH LAZER
I'MA FIRIN MAH LAZER
shhhhhhhoooooooooo da whooop

Posted by mybum - Monday, September 1, 2008 2:54 PM

rrod

u make it sound like LBP is like the most badass game coming out for ps3. it is a unique game, but no one has even played it before, so how can u be so sure that it gonna be so fun? i rly cant imagine myself making my own platform and beating it by myself, or sharing it and watch other ppl beat it.
as for god of war 3, ya its a good game but its far from release. and its not a blockbuster game that sells as much as halo
and about the xbox live being 50$a year, no one rly cares. thats y more ppl are on xbox live than psn.

Posted by vvoody - Monday, September 1, 2008 3:37 PM

One last thing, 5v5 isn't huge. Its better than having a huge game. The more players there are the worst the game. If you just want to go in a games and just mess around and not actually play then go for a big game, such as big team battle in halo. I will enjoy playing 5v5 as I do with halo's 4v4, even team doubles was awesome.

Smaller teams = more skill and teamwork involved
Bigger teams = more newbs involved

And I agree with Darkshadowkg, get L4D on PC. Its the best way to go for a valve game.

Posted by BigBoss92 - Monday, September 1, 2008 3:41 PM

im a little disappointed the story was great in the first gears and it looks good here too but online looks the same as the first and i could not stand the first GoW online hopefully im wrong but when it comes to online this year i'll stick to resistance 2 or socom i think

Posted by BigBoss92 - Monday, September 1, 2008 3:43 PM

im a little disappointed the story was great in the first gears and it looks good here too but online looks the same as the first and i could not stand the first GoW online hopefully im wrong but when it comes to online this year i'll stick to resistance 2 or socom i think

Posted by Darkshadowkg - Monday, September 1, 2008 4:16 PM

thats alright bigboss everyone has there prefrence it'ds not like since alot of people like it you have to. i mean some people just don't like halo (like me) but then there's a faction of fanboys and haters but i consider them more troll tham human. right now i'm jus enjoying tf2 and metal gear online

Posted by kshell11724 - Monday, September 1, 2008 4:54 PM

Cant wait. 5 on 5 is shows that gears of war shows good control. As apposed to 60 players where you cant turn the corner with out getting fragged. New weapons look great except im not sure about the extra rocket in the boom shot. Why do these things always turn into console wars. Can we all get along. I mean we all agree on one thing right? Wii SUCKS HAHAHA.

Posted by Phobiapolis - Monday, September 1, 2008 5:01 PM

(drooling) cannot wait for this game to come out because as great as they are... i am kind of sick of halo 3 and call of duty 4

Posted by mr_nice_guy - Monday, September 1, 2008 5:16 PM

you know what else costs me money? taxes... so you dumb asses can go to school. why do all of you have to argue to the point of insulting each other? i bet if most of you were to meet each other in real life you would like each other. but seriously gears 2 ftw will be best game of the year

Posted by Darkshadowkg - Monday, September 1, 2008 6:11 PM

nice guy i agree with you except for the game of the year. it's more of a persona opinion in my opinoin.

Posted by iceehaawks91 - Monday, September 1, 2008 6:58 PM

RedRingOfDeath-dude, the ps3 sux, ohhhh, little big planet is coming out, so exciting

Posted by David_Fariyike - Monday, September 1, 2008 7:06 PM

this will totally destroy resistance 2 which is coming out the same day

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Monday, September 1, 2008 8:32 PM

What is tf2?

Posted by JTHMROCKS - Monday, September 1, 2008 8:53 PM

RedRing
TF2 is team fortress 2.

Posted by husker_360 - Monday, September 1, 2008 9:47 PM

@Al_Coholic

First off, thank you for randomly entering this argument, and ooh, big suprise, you take the radical PS3 fanboy's side. Shocker. Did you even get the gist of what I was saying? Let me water it down as much as I physically can without putting it into preschool nursery rhyme for you. NOTHING IS FREE TODAY. TO SAY PSN or PC "GAMING" (dare you call it that) FUNDAMENTALLY COSTS SOMETHING. IT'S TO WHAT EXTENT ARE WE PAYING, NOT "THIS IS FREE AND THIS ISN'T." Ok? Got it?

Argument over, let it die, you've lost the point.

@RRoD

I do need to give you a complement here, as wrong as you have been on many things. You can piss many, many people off, very very easily. You quite frankly remind me of...Myself, on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Ok, complement over...You douchebag.

Posted by jbanol - Monday, September 1, 2008 9:54 PM

rrod

why do you do this? theyre both great consoles and both have ups and downs. BOTH have a great lineup for this year. 50$ a year for xbl, serously, that like 15 cents a day (since you have a ps3, im sure you have the money). lbp will be fun creating your own little big world and sharing and things like that, but you apperantly dont know that halo 3 has a system much like lpb except that halo 3 = competetive multiplayer and lpb = cooperative multiplayer.

also gears of war 2 having 5v5 is huge for its type of game. if you ever played the first one, you will know 60, 40, 16 are not for a game like gears (thats why they didnt add extra players for the pc version). and im sure r2 will be fun but i could easily argue that thers too many players, cant find the enemy because too many teammates are around, or one of the other 29 players could of easily taken my kill, etc, so stopp arguing about gears having 5v5. and stop falming

Posted by jbanol - Monday, September 1, 2008 9:59 PM

rrod

why do you do this? theyre both great consoles and both have ups and downs. BOTH have a great lineup for this year. 50$ a year for xbl, serously, that like 15 cents a day (since you have a ps3, im sure you have the money). lbp will be fun creating your own little big world and sharing and things like that, but you apperantly dont know that halo 3 has a system much like lpb except that halo 3 = competetive multiplayer and lpb = cooperative multiplayer.

also gears of war 2 having 5v5 is huge for its type of game. if you ever played the first one, you will know 60, 40, 16 are not for a game like gears (thats why they didnt add extra players for the pc version). and im sure r2 will be fun but i could easily argue that thers too many players, cant find the enemy because too many teammates are around, or one of the other 29 players could of easily taken my kill, etc, so stopp arguing about gears having 5v5. and stop falming

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Monday, September 1, 2008 10:13 PM

@Al_Coholic

This husker_360 guy is an idiot so give it up. You can't talk any sense into him. His fellow Xbots won't even back up that ridiculous statement about the internet bill being Sony's fee to play games online. You are truly the most stupid Xbot ever. Congrats.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Monday, September 1, 2008 10:21 PM

This time I come in peace. Since we are talking about the online services, can someone tell me what you can do on XBL that I can't do on the PSN. If you post please know the facts and not myths like the PSN lags bad, that is so not true, I play online a lot and my gaming experience never lags. When I hear people say what the XBL has, it's usually the same stuff I can do on PSN for free. I'll admit, the blades look much better than Sony's cross media bar but what does XBL have the PSN don't have?

Posted by JACKMEOFF - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:04 PM

hey bleahy is this as indepth and good as mgs4/mgo

Posted by jbanol - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:16 PM

rrod

ask yourselve this. why is the psn trying to be exactly like xbox live? things like gamertag, renting movies, trophies, and i could keep going but even though you guys might of just copied this things, its not as good as the 360.

ex. you might have 100 movies to rent, we have lik 10000, you might have 10 games with trophies, we have all games with achievements, you might have a gamertag but we can do much more with ours. and again i could keep going and going and going

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:44 AM

@jbanol

Just like I thought. There is no difference. You guys pay to have more trophys and movies? Who cares? By the way, I have a netfix account and I don't have an Xbox so what's the point? Also, since you are talking about copying, where did the avatar idea come from?

Can anyone intelligent answer my honest question? jbanol is an idiot.

Posted by theopforce - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:34 AM

Ssssssssssssssssssssoooooooooo ooooooooooooooo pointless to fight back and forth about this, I have both system's I honestly like my 360 better, but than again im a huge MGS fan boy so I got a ps3. GoW is good co-op, the online was versus not so much, plus rainbow had a way better cover system. I hope this one is better versus, but im sure I will get it for co-op, but honestly I dont #**#ing care.... Duke Nukem 3D On XBLA!!!!! What it's about bitches!!!

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:14 AM

@husker_360

man... you should have just left it alone.. but you are going to stick by your idiot internet service fee argument...

PSN is a service provided by Sony just as XBL is a service provided by MS... Sony's is a free service... XBL is not... PC's also have free online services provided by different companies. MMORPG's are a completely different thing... so don't go there. even XBL for the PC is a free service... so again the question... why are 360 users paying for it?

@jbanol

grow up... who copied who is a childish argument...

@ LBP bashers

First off pretty much all of the LBP statements in this thread are incorrect... for example... "LBP has no enemies" that is false...

@ others

GoW2 = God of war 2

Posted by xBlaCkBiRdx02 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:37 AM

So long the Sun Shines, and the grass grows, So will ignorant people who wont shut up about there consoles..

Posted by NewfieAssassin - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:43 AM

Man I have heard that stupid PSN is free, and XBL Live isn't" crap sooooo much that it is very annoying. Look, it only costs less than 5 dollars a month!!! c'mon, if you can't afford the cost of a few coffee's a month, than you must be that tight that you squeak when you walk. I do get lag on Xbox Live, but it has to do with my connection and location. How about this, gaystation fanboys. Where's the points cards for online purchases, huh? MS learned that mistake from the original xbox. I don't have nor do I want a credit card. Plus if you use a credit card, you get charged interest and fees, so I guess that could be the extra cost for using PSN lol!

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 8:57 AM

you can use a visa debit card... so no interest or fee's... and PSN cards are coming this month to a bunch of retailers... oh and if you pay off the credit card during the month you bought the item... you are not charged a fee or interest... I imagine you are not old enough to have a credit card... and that is your problem...

sure XBL doesn't cost much... but why should you pay for a service that others get for free?

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:04 AM

^^^ Is this idiot serious? He's as stupid as husker_360.

It's not about the amount of money, it's about the principle of the matter. It's not costing M$ anything for the XBL but yet they still charge for the Xbox service when I get the exact same service for free on my PC. Let me ask you guys this, if G4 started charging $50 a year to post comments, would you pay for something that should be free and is not costing them anything even if it's less than $5 a month?

Posted by bleahy - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:11 AM

@RedRingOfDeath

Bandwidth costs money. Servers cost money.

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:42 AM

advertisements on XBL don't pay for that?

Sony and all the PC games that offer free online including XBL for the PC are all taking a loss... ?

Posted by Raxin - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:43 AM

You know you people are a pretty good source of entertainment. Please tell me if one of you should win this arguement what is the prize?

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:43 AM

@RRoD. consistant applications, this means that through different programs, applications ETC you experience something that has been foundated into your mind, (for example, if u see a play button in a media player, you know it means play if the button is a square or a circle) take that analogy into the 2 services PSN and XBL both offer messaging, Achievments, Pictures, video, communities.. so its not a matter how one is better or different, its just which one is more easy to use, which one is more user interface friendly, having a 360, i can say that the interface is easy, friendly to use, does this justify a monthly fee? I am not saying yes, but users are more willing to accept paying for things that have an easy interface, Would you pay for a program with a 200 page manual? or a program that was user friendly and can be self taught with experience.

GEARS OF WAR 2 :p RROD one question and please answer

Do you Like Gears of war? Gears of War 2?

Posted by Raxin - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:44 AM

You know you people are a pretty good source of entertainment. Please tell me if one of you should win this arguement what is the prize?

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 11:46 AM

Out of the 3 newest consoles which came first
360 was released out before wii and ps3 right?
so the xbox has had more time to get into homes,
im not saying one service is better then the other
(PSN v XBL)

possibly PSN can afford a free service because their games, and system cost more out in the Market? anyway, like i posted before, each system has their pros cons

Posted by mybum - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:17 PM

u ppl are arguing about psn being better than xbox live because its free , but there is a simple fact.
there are more xbox live users than psn users.
why?
because xbox live offers more than psn
xbox has the best online games

sonyfanboys may argue that 360 came out a year before ps3. well sony took a year longer t make their crap system. go cry about it and watch ps3 lose the console war.

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:32 PM

best way to look at XBL is... If XBL silver had everything that PSN has (which includes online game play) would you pay for XBL gold?


"possibly PSN can afford a free service because their games, and system cost more out in the Market? anyway, like i posted before, each system has their pros cons"

which games cost more on PS3 than 360?

PS3 includes more with the system than the 360 does out of the box... that is why it costs more.... online services are payed for through advertising, and online sales.

another thing about the PSN... you can pay exactly what the item costs... unless it is under $5 MS you have to buy a set amount of MS points even if the item doesn't use all the points bought.

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:36 PM

@mybum

not saying it's better or worse... we are just asking why you all pay for it?

"xbox has the best online games " that is an opinion...

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:43 PM

"sonyfanboys may argue that 360 came out a year before ps3. well sony took a year longer t make their crap system."

by crap system you mean a system with a low failure rate, includes more standard features than any other console, and true next gen tech?

In that case I'll take the crap system.

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:03 PM

average Retail price of a brand new xbox360 game is 59.99 Plus tax in select states

is not ps3 games 69.99 Plus tax? that is a price difference, may only be 10 dollars but still is

xbox core system is 279.99 playstation 3 20 gb is still around 350.00-380.00? *not looking at best possible systems but just the basic

that can make a huge difference in what type of costs come with the system like online play, or purchasing things online (most of the time)

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:29 PM

"average Retail price of a brand new xbox360 game is 59.99 Plus tax in select states

is not ps3 games 69.99 Plus tax? that is a price difference, may only be 10 dollars but still is"

not to my knowledge... please post an example of this... I looked up both madden, and GTA4 and their is no difference in price.

"xbox core system is 279.99 playstation 3 20 gb is still around 350.00-380.00? *not looking at best possible systems but just the basic"

20GB PS3 is long gone... current PS3 is the 80GB PS3 for $399 which includes
free online play
blue-tooth
blu-ray
rechargeable controller
80 GB HDD (that is upgradable to 320GB at this time)

there isn't a 360 model that rivals that... but if you take the 360 arcade... and add in a bunch of add on items and the price for XBL you'll find that the PS3 is a steal... and you still get more than you get with the 360.

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:37 PM

gears 2 and MGS4 are priced the same at $59.. so exclusives are the same too.

Posted by Joshua360 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:38 PM

Man I sware RedRingOfDeath is a complete homosexual. It seems he gets himself off by talking pure nonsense. I tell you what RedRingOfDeath, grab all the PS3 games you own tape them together an shove them up your ass and see if they fit. I sure they will.

Posted by Chuckupman - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 1:55 PM

@husker_360
Hey Dude, you have to have internet to play XBL and you have to pay for both so shut up about the internet thing.

@RedRingOfDeath
XBL has many more games to play than PSN, it has movies tv shows, its going to have netflix, it has instand messaging, gamertags(with achievment points), arcade games, demos, and 10 million people to play with.

those are just a few things PSN doesnt have...

F#&k you @$$hole nerds Im going to go play football!
Not madden, the real thing.

Posted by Chuckupman - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:02 PM

@husker_360
Hey Dude, you have to have internet to play XBL and you have to pay for both so shut up about the internet thing.

@RedRingOfDeath
XBL has many more games to play than PSN, it has movies tv shows, its going to have netflix, it has instand messaging, gamertags(with achievment points), arcade games, demos, and 10 million people to play with.

those are just a few things PSN doesnt have...

F#&k you @$$hole nerds Im going to go play football!
Not madden, the real thing.

Posted by Joshua360 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:02 PM

Man I swear RedRingOfDeath is a complete homosexual. It seems he gets himself off by talking pure nonsense. I tell you what RedRingOfDeath, grab all the PS3 games you own, tape them together an shove them up your ass and see if they fit. I sure they will.

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:04 PM

@Chuckupman

PSN has all of those... except netflix... which is not a big deal... and 10 million teenagers that haven't had their balls drop yet...

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:31 PM

@Ulrichgaming

Kudos to you, you single handedly put all of these guys in their place with their baseless accusations. Congrats.

@Chuckupman

PSN has plenty of games, movies, t.v. shows, instant messaging, gamertags and demos and they don't charge me. My point is proven, you guys pay for the same thing we get for free on PC and PSN. The Xbox don't even have a web browser like the PS3.

@Whiteaura1

Yes, I had Gears but gave it away with my 3 times broken Xbox. Good riddens. It's a good game but not worth putting up with a faulty system.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:37 PM

@mybum

Did you call the PS3 a crap system? This crap you speak of has everything built into that you have to spend a fortune in add-ons to get and it doesn't break all the time. If the PS3 is crap then what the hell is the Xbox. The Xbox repair centers are constantly full with Xboxes waiting to be repaired. That qualifies as crap to me.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:41 PM

@Joshua360

"sware" I think you mean S-W-E-A-R.

Posted by bertucci - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 3:20 PM

Console wars aside, this game looks as if it will be awesome. 5 v. 5 is actually a pretty good improvement for a game like gears and I can not wait to pick up my reserved copy.

this next comment is aimed at everyone trashing systems:

Calm down and get along, this is a highly annoying topic to deal with and each system has it's ups and downs. There is no better system/console and each has its own "exclusives".

Now then, thank you and good day.

Posted by mikefryloc - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:25 PM

this game looks awesome. Epic is fixing the issues with the first one that made online downright annoying (shotgun battles). I stopped playing the original online because I got tired of shotguns owning everything and being entirely lag/luck. I don't know what is with this idea that more players online= better game online. this game would not work with more than five-seven players per team. If you want that stick to your first person run and gun games. Every time I hear about these ridiculous numbers of online players at a time it just makes me think "chaos" and not "strategy". Some games are just not made for craploads of people at once. The first gears was good even with the glitches and annoying quirks and I think this game will fulfill the potential that the original had.

Posted by kinghunter64 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:32 PM

5v5? really? thats it? I think i'd rather play R2. Nothing beats a 30v30 sniper match

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:56 PM

strategy is all about who you play with... not how many people are playing.... I believe the new SOCOM has the option to turn spawns off... and think... you can still play 5vs.5 ... but you have the option to play with more if you choose... I'm thinking there will be SOCOM clans that will be way more strategic than those playing gears 2 online.

but I can see defending 5vs.5 if that's all you get.... but why not give you a 15vs.15 mode... just to mix it up or if you just feel like mowing a bunch of people down...

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:58 PM

not to mention map size... SOCOM, killzone, and resistance2 maps will be huge... it will take people a lot longer to memorize them...

Posted by co_conspirator - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:51 PM

I cant wait for this game, but was that a new character, the dude with the mohawk and tattos on his face? I dont remember seeing anything about that, or is it me? Whatever, it still looks great and I will fail every class this year because of it.
But why cant we just all appreciate the games, stop with friction, none of you are going to see each other in the real world, its just getting annoying as hell!

Posted by NewfieAssassin - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:32 PM

@ red ass of crap or whatever your stupid name is. I don't care about the f@$%ing principle, c'mon its not like you have to give Blood. It's less than 5 bucks a month. I bet you spend more than that a month on online porn sites. ok here's one for you, do you have one of those rumbleless controllers? if you do, did you have to fork out the 50 bucks for the new dualshock 3? Oh and what if the built in rechargeable battery fails? no more wireless till you fork out another 50, but I'm just sayin. one more thing, how much free stuff have you gotten from sony since you got your PS3? I've gotten 5000 MS points; XBL arcade games; and some swag from MS. nuff said.

Posted by NewfieAssassin - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 7:44 PM

I think 30 vs 30 and above is too much. What about communication between teammates? I play Battlefield:BC and the fact that I cant communicate with everyone sucks, and the reason is 16 players talking all at once is chaos, imagine 30 or 60 all trying to talk! and if the maps are huge, that means it will take forever to get anywhere without vehicles while you get shot at from 20 different directions, BF:BC is Chaos enough. Some people like alot of players, but I am not one of them. But I would try it. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.

Posted by Ulrichgaming - Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:53 AM

"ok here's one for you, do you have one of those rumbleless controllers? if you do, did you have to fork out the 50 bucks for the new dualshock 3? Oh and what if the built in rechargeable battery fails? no more wireless till you fork out another 50, but I'm just sayin. one more thing, how much free stuff have you gotten from sony since you got your PS3?"

well there is a difference.. you don't have to buy a DS3 to play the games... and rechargeable batteries don't fail that often... so both are mute points... on your hand you can not play online without paying $50 a year... What are you paying $50 for? no one seems to answer that question.. you all just get bent out of shape and start attacking... instead of answering the question.

As far as what we got from Sony... free online, and a true next gen console.

Posted by RedRingOfDeath (BANNED) - Wednesday, September 3, 2008 8:17 AM

^^^
@Ulrichgaming

I couldn't have said it better myself. Nuff said.

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:43 AM

5 v 5, to most, may seem like a small matchup

but honestly.. most of the time you play a game with more then, lets say 10 v 10 or higher 30 v 30.. there is more of a chance the gameplay could be hindered, like, spawn killing is easier to do with more people, since there is more players in the game, just small things like that

If your saying Gears 2 won't be good because its only 5 v 5, consider this, not taking into account systems, or "exclusives" or online fees =\ ..did u find the first Gears of War to be fun?

again don't think about online play or system fail rates or any of the BS above being argued..Was gears of war a fun game.. either campaign or maybe some multiplayer.

Sure, more players at once in agame is better, or can be better, but just the game being fun to play itself, i feel is more important then how many players are in a game,

Posted by NewfieAssassin - Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:45 AM

@ ulrich & Redass

I knew you gaystation 3 fangirls wouldn't be able to say much. I know you don't need a DS 3 to play games, duh, but without the rumble, it's no where near the same experience. What makes Sony's console a true next gen console? what the cell processor? Granted it's very powerful, but It's a bit ahead of its time. Not even Sony have been able to push the processor to show us something spectacular. Maybe some of the upcoming first party titles might show us some of the power, but I doubt it. Wow and everyone gets free PS3's from Sony? And here I thought I would have to pay for one. you should watch how you word things fool!
Oh and like I said before I got 5000 free MS points which works out to around the same as a years membership, so it's like they gave me back my money for it to use for DLC. Nuff said.

Posted by Whiteaura1 - Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:49 AM

Gears is more of a strategic cover based game, unlike halo which is just run in with gun and shoot,

so if gears was lets say 10 v 10.. it would be very crowded, and everyone would hide away in cover most of the time, making online play not to great, if they made the maps bigger, in gears 2 still taking into account the time limit for matches, then whey would have to speed up character movement, in exchange for taking longer to familiarize oneself to the map.. overtime you will get used to even the biggest of maps, but in gears, if someone can run faster away then your bullets can take them down, that ruins the game, everyone would just run away and not take the chance

that wouldn't make gears fun at all, so for sacrificing the higher player count in the game, they potentially make a better game out of it, you don't need a massive 200 versus 200 game to make a good game, in fact, that would make a game harder to get used to, and turn people away.

Posted by NewfieAssassin - Wednesday, September 3, 2008 9:50 AM

The first GOW is not one of my favorites. I found it good but I suck at it. The online had alot of problems when played( cheaters; lag glitches; that damn shotgun!!) so I gave up. Now GOW2 does look alot better and I like the changes made so I will be trying it at least.

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