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The Definition Of Hardcore Gaming

Posted by John Manalang - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:37 AM

Since I've logged over 80 hours of gameplay in SquareSoft's classic PSone RPG Xenogears, I knew I was up to something. Aside from the probability of never achieving contact with a female, the sensation of "hardcore" gaming was all over me. It was like when I first pressed the A button and watched Mario stomp a goomba. It was like landing that knock-out punch to Glass Joe in Punch Out. Just like using an elixir during a hectic Final Fantasy turn-based battle, the experience was refreshing.

But these days, I've been hearing several of my peers hosting many Wii Sports nights. Though the mix of pseudo-sports activities and hot wings seemed enticing, I was always hesitant in attending one. So one night, after cancelling my booked schedule consisting of nothing, I attend one of my buddy's Wii Sports event. I laughed. I played. And I laughed some more. But during my laughter, I asked myself, "Is this considered hardcore gaming", then immediately, I was pummeled down in Boxing.

So really, what's the definition of a "hardcore gamer"?

First, let's look into what exactly qualifies a gamer as hardcore. Growing up with the Japanese gaming scene, I always preferred titles from the east. I wanted to be considered hardcore. I can't tell you exactly how many quarters I've spent in the local arcade machine, trying to perfect Wolverine's 99 hit air combo in Capcom's Marvel Super Heroes. I have beaten virtually every Final Fantasy title I got my hands on, except when I realized I wasn't actually living in Vana'Diel. And yes, speaking of the MMOs, I did experience the World of Warcraft--calling in sick at the job (not this one Stephen!), lying to my significant other that I had to work an extra night shift and attending 10-hour-long guild raid sessions. Aside from de-leveling to "loser" class, does that sound hardcore enough?

Or how about the folks like my peers, who plays endless hours of Wii Sports with actual human interaction. The gamers who shred endless combo streaks in Guitar Hero, call in UAV strikes every 30 seconds while playing Call of Duty 4 online, Madden NFL athletes who would always top the online charts and Katamari Damacy pros who have rolled up a ball bigger than our planet--do they qualify as hardcore as well? Does playing a specific genre of game have anything to do with the meaning of hardcore?

Perhaps being hardcore simply means finding your own gaming niche and community. Depending on the games we play, people would perceive things differently. I always admire folks who just completely annihilate opponents in RTS titles like Starcraft, hit every single drum cue on Rock Band and perfects the art of head shots in Unreal Tournament. But then if I would tell them about my explorations in the world of Azeroth, they would respond with an "...Oh cool", while they wear a question mark symbol over their heads as if I was turning in a quest to them--a completely careless reaction. Community perception can be a key to open up the hardcore doors, but if you look at it at another way, it could be quite the opposite.

One of the images from our BlizzCon 2007 archives

Since the early days of online gaming, no matter what title you played, no matter what loot you were trying to get and no matter how high your kills-per-death ratio was, there was always one common goal--bragging rights. When it comes to competition, it gets really personal, even in games. I can't tell you how many times a crime has occured in local PC cafes just because someone got pwnt with an AK47 in Valve's Counter-Strike. Playing hours of Gears of War online, I considered asking myself, "Am I really enjoying this, or should I keep on working to get my 10,000 kills for the Seriously achievement?". Does online gaming contribute to the hardcore gaming niche or is it just mainly for bling? Or on the other hand, does online gaming's appeal attract more attention from the opposite of the hardcore crowd: casual gamers?

Earlier this year, the National Purchase Diary group (NPD) reported that, from ages six to forty-four, 72% of people have played video games in 2007. And you bet your ass the casual gaming market made a significant contribution to that percentage; heck, even Electronic Arts created a casual games division. According to a report by CNET in 2006, the casual games market is expected to be worth $1.15 billion by 2011. And more recently, since E3 2008, many have speculated that one of gaming's most revered founders, Nintendo, has left the "hardcore" crowd and went inside a mini van to create titles for soccer moms. While casual gaming did contribute to the  video game industry in terms of profits and appeal, can it be considered "hardcore"?

 

All these questions I've asked, folks, and I've come up with one answer: "Hardcore" gaming's meaning is up to you. We might not play the same games, enjoy playing online or logging endless hours into an RPG title, but the gaming industry still continues to pump out an exciting variety of titles we ALL can enjoy. And the more we play, the more we find out what really puts the "hard" in the core of gaming.




Comment(s)

Posted by Tasomo - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:46 AM

"hardcore" gamers are only definable by a single trait: the willingness to put games before pretty much any other social or physical activity.

There's nothing more hardcore about someone willing to spend weeks or months learning the best strategy to beat people in Gears of War, Warcraft, Resistance, Madden, chess, or even Scrabble.

There is absolutely no difference in the games, it's the mentality of the players. Do you get so ridiculously wrapped up in a game you'll spend 12 hours straight on it without noticing? You're a hardcore gamer. Doesn't matter what you play or who you play it with.

It's all about opportunity cost. What are you willing to give up to game?

Posted by mathew365dsd - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:56 AM

Time

Time and effort I think define the hardcore gamer. Like mentioned my mother spent countless hours playing Tetris on the Gameboy, while I spent my time playing Mario. Also years before I had even showed up my parents spent time playing pinball REAL pinball, and it wasn't until years later that I learned just how good she was at pinball. But then I could use my nephew as an example he's only 5 years and just got a DS for his birthday, and of course he got some really crappy kids games. I can't stand playing any of them but he loves it I have never seen anyone spend so much time playing a power rangers game as this kid. And finally I will use my friend who only plays hockey games as an example. Ever since the original playstation my friend has only played hockey games, he doesn't own a console or any games but when it comes to hockey games I know of no one better. So when it's all said and done I really feel that it's your TIME and EFFORT and defines you as a HARDCORE gamer.

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:01 AM

I don't really know wither to consider myself hardcore or not. I know during the summer months, i was racking up about 80-90 hours of gaming a week just on the PC. Some nights i wouldn't even sleep. but now that college and work is going on, i barely make 6 hours of gaming a week now.

I'd say i'm hardcore during the summer, but when i got important stuff like school and work going on, they come first. gaming second.

Posted by heaven_spawn - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:06 AM

Hear hear!

I admit, I never thought of it that way. I was one of the people who thought "Oh, I unlock all the secrets of FF, I'm hardcore," when that's just half the story. There are dozens of different games. There dozens of ways to make the game "yours".

I'm glad I read this (and the two previous comments). I feel like I learned something life-changing, and it's awesome.

Posted by IBloodstormI - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:07 AM

hardcore is more about the time you spend playing games then the games you play (though a more diverse game library usually means more hardcore of a player). if you spend 2 - 4 hours a week playing games your not hardcore, if you spend 2 - 4 hours (or more) a day playing games, your probably a hardcore gamer.

Posted by brokeheart - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:08 AM

A hardcore gamer is a gamer who has the will to game. Like in a game when the going gets tough the go on nomatter howmany times they die.
Also a hardcore gamer is someone who spends the time to game! I remember spending twelve hours playing metal gear solid 2 and when I beat it I went back and did it again. Anyone like that is hardcore.
Also a hardcore gamer is someone that is looking for a challenge. Anyone who beat a metal gear solid sequel on earipan extreme mode is no doubt hardcore.
Finally hardcore is someone that makes the game challenging on there own. Someone who beats the highest difficulty on halo and then says "okay time to do it with only the magnum" that person is hardcore!

Posted by brokeheart - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:09 AM

oh I forgot to do this:
signed: jack brokeheart

Posted by Nibbins - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:14 AM

for a hardcore gamer you should know its a GOOMBA not an OOMPA! damn returds

Posted by soujabooy - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:16 AM

I think a hardcore gamer is sombody who plays on the hardest level and doesent put in cheat codes and doesent quit when the game gets hard

Posted by GrandReaper999 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:46 AM

I think if somebody can can "yes, I am in fact addicted to videogames." --Your qualified.

Is an alcoholic not a real (hardcore) alcoholic if they only drink, say, coolers, but everyday constantly? Sure.

Posted by Able - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:15 AM

For me A hardcore player is a person that pretty much lives and breaths games. Also they are the ones that will play games WITHOUT cheats or mods.

I consider myself hardcore mostly because i have more games i can play at the moment, I dont use mods or cheats (especialy in WOW). I learn the game play formula for each game faster them most ppl i know (can lvl a WOW toon from 1-70 in 5 days without the recrut a friend deal and with a maxed out profession). And can beat up noobs like the rest in the Battle grounds or other fps games out there.

Its just how fast you can learn how the game works to the point of making the best out of winning the game.

Posted by Highlar - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:16 AM

Personally, I think its a bit of all of the above. Although, IBloodstormI, I have to disagree with you a bit. Even just 1 hours a day in games can be considered hardcore if that's your #1 hobby and that's what you choose to spend your 1 hour of free time doing instead of something else. To me, the meaning of hardcore comes down to just one question: Do you love gaming, in ANY form, be it "casual" or "hardcore" games? If you can answer yes, then THAT makes you a hardcore gamer. You can play Bejeweled exclusively, or Gears of War exclusively, or BOTH...but ALL of them make you a hardcore gamer if you love doing it.

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:16 AM

I found this funny, according to Urban Dictionary, "A n00b is someone who plays video games for less than 15 hours a day."

lol

Posted by Antic1imacticKi11er - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:22 AM

I agree w/ brokeheart, to be hardcore one must have the will to game. They are the ones who finish GTA 100%, and do it again without dying once, just to spice things up. They don't quit, even after dying for the 19th time in two hours. IN THE SAME SPOT. And as brokeheart said, finish Halo with only the Magnum. In fact everything brokeheart said is true. Lets just leave at that.

Posted by ZeroXLegend - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:25 AM

First of all you're all wrong. It's not about time at all. If it was about time anyone who's waited for a video games to be released would be a hardcore gamer. The definition is commitment. The reality is almost no hardcore gamers really exist. Someone who's taken upon themselves to support and grow community based around one game. In other words you're only a hardcore gamer if you play a game competitively or have the commitment to a "difficult" games to do something amazing in it....

Posted by Ieyke - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:26 AM

Anyone who throws up a picture of Elly is automatically hardcore in my book.
Hardcore and oldschool.
For this you gain points.

The guy in the 3rd picture? Too hardcore indeed. Many points were lost in the making of that costume.

Posted by ZeroXLegend - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:27 AM

I'm 10x more hardcore then anyone who's posted so far but I haven't even played the game that makes me hardcore since Wednesday. It's not about time. The willings of me for example to travel 6 hours in a car to play in a Tekken 6 tournament and then drive back in the same night, that's a hardcore gamer. Just because you play a lot of games means nothing....

Posted by ZeroXLegend - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:28 AM

Playing a whole bunch of games and not understand a single part of the depth and intricacy of them is what everyone does who thinks their a hardcore gamer. And even if they did, execution comes down to it. Someone who's willing to go out of his/her way to get SS rank on every mission in DMC4 that's hardcore guys. Or anyone who's ever taken competitive games seriously deserves the moniker....

Posted by J_8lunt - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:29 AM

Hardcore=Awesome. Not awesome=stupid excuse for a game.

Posted by Heffe12345 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:29 AM

I think anyone that goes online and reads postings on being hardcore........ is probably hardcore. Also, i don't play games to death. I beat a game on it's hardest setting and then move on. I only play games on their hardest setting otherwise i don't feel like i really "beat" that game. So to me if you have a gamerscore over 15,000(which i do) your hardcore.

Posted by ZeroXLegend - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:31 AM

If you understand what I'm saying and you disagree, that's fine. I just then wonder WTH I am if the bar is set so low for hardcore gamers.

Posted by Heffe12345 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:32 AM

oh also, i am a recovering Counter-Strike addict. it made me fail out of school. So i think i know what hardcore is

Posted by UsefulPlayer1 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:35 AM

No playing the Wii is not hardcore. Playing to win rather then fun is hardcore. Though having fun at the same time is OK.

Posted by Heffe12345 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:35 AM

oh also, i am a recovering Counter-Strike addict. it made me fail out of school. So i think i know what hardcore is

Posted by TheNorm - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:46 AM

You all just proved this article right, in the fact that "hardcore" means different things to different people.

Posted by Able - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:48 AM

Maybe your hardcore if you have a Nerdgasum from watching the trailers for videogames. Like the new Wrath of the litch King and Warhammer trailers.

Posted by Able - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:51 AM

Maybe your hardcore if you have a Nerdgasum from watching the trailers for videogames. Like the new Wrath of the litch King and Warhammer trailers.

Posted by XXXSpartan118XXX - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:03 AM

What Tasomo said.

Posted by mercisan - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:04 AM

Time spent, effort, the types of games you play, level of difficulty, how up to date one is, and the unconditional love for games are some of the characteristics that I can think of right now.

At the place where I am from, we had status at the arcades. Whenever some "Boss"* got on one of those machines, they'd get surrounded by a ton of other players to watch them play. It was a good feeling. You'd need to beat the machine(the beatable ones) with a single credit repeatedly to be considered a Boss. We weren't all friends. In fact, with some we didn't even know each other's names, but we had respect for each other based on that status. I had to do other kid's homework, or let them copy off my test sheet to make money, so that I could play.

* "Boss" was not the word we used. The actual word we used was a slang word that meant "tough guy". I used boss here because it was the same word that we used for an in-game boss; more specifically, the final boss. I thought I'd share.

Posted by UltimateWar - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:08 AM

if you're dumb enough to but the Collectors Edition of some games that's hardcore, if you play games until your hands are paralyzed youre hardcore, if you put gaming ahead of everything else in your life you're hardcore, plain and simple hardcore to some people means more than porn, now that's something.

Posted by yakitysmakity - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:11 AM

I agree that time is a investment does make a hardcore gamer but that is not all. I also say diversity a hardcore gamer also plays a games from cards to madden to a rpg. Hardcore players live for completing a goal and are excited with the most strategic opportunity in there chosen game. But most of all if your posting on G4... pretty much your hardcore. :P

Posted by mercisan - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:19 AM

@Heffe12345
Ha ha ha! I failed a bunch of classes when I bought the gamecube. Then I dropped out of school 'cause I was too busy gaming and partying. I got laid a lot though, so no regrets there.

Some of the youngsters here don't realize that a lot of the adults here have gone through what they (the youngsters) consider hardcore. Then, they (adults) have gotten smarter and balanced their lives better. Apparently, some people here are considering "hardcore" a synonym with irresponsible.

Posted by brokendemon - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:49 AM

I wonder if I may pose a question to you, without getting flamed of course. Personally, I've been playing games for around 20 years, and will continue to do so for many years to come. But while the reasons I've seen given have all been very valid, one thing stands out. What do people sacrifice to become "hardcore"? And where does one cross the line from "hardcore" to just a loser?
Is it the kid who plays GTA so much that they steal a car? Or is it the guy who loses his job because he took off one too many days to play WoW?
Until I play again, I'm adding my own word to the Urban Dictionary "Losercore, someone who games so much that they lose sight of reality."

Posted by spartanpanda - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:50 AM

If your definition of a "good time" is sitting in front of a flickering box playing a game of your choice, then you are hardcore. Really if you spend a whole lot of time on any game, i assume that you would be "hardcore" at it.

Posted by yagamilighto - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:12 PM

i believe that the definition of a hardcore gamer is definitely something ambiguous. I believe that a hradcore gamer is someone who simply loves games, is willing to spend alot of time on a game in attempt to perfect it or beat it in a faster time than before. It may also be someone who tries different games for the different experiences and never gives up when the going gets rough. So it could be many things but i'm sure that a hardcore gamer cannot lack a love for video games or a significant amount of time on games or on a particular game.

Posted by yagamilighto - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:15 PM

i personally love trying different experiences in games and i love no LOVE VIDEO GAMES. I'm not sure if certain ppl would consider me hardcore because if i get bored of a game thats it . It will never be played again but rpg's and other games that keep me playing with different difficulty levels and rewards takes hours out of my day each day tats when i really consider myself hardcore, playing games for hours on end simply unlocking rewards and playing on harder levels just challenging myself over and over again.

Posted by Tasomo - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:26 PM

"If you understand what I'm saying and you disagree, that's fine. I just then wonder WTH I am if the bar is set so low for hardcore gamers."

Hmmm...the official diagnosis would have to be excessively arrogant with a bad case "look at my e-peen!!!" syndrome.

Posted by Able - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:26 PM

@brokendemon

I might game alot, but i do goto work like most, I have yet to call in sick for work.

For me i can learn what a game has and what i can do in a game enough to have free time when i want it. When playing WOW, i have had ppl more serious to keep to a raiding schedual than i have. Im hardcore but i will have brains enough to take a break and make sure others playing get a break now and then for sanity reasons. I have seen guilds/clans kick ppl out Just wanting to take a small break wich i think is stupid but it happens.

If your really good you can have fun and have time to get out into the sun.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:48 PM

I think 1st we need to differenciate between those that play games and those who are gamers. No it does not matter what games your play, but just because you played halo, resistance or zelda doesn't make you a gamer. You play games but you're not a gamer. If you only play your games every now and then, you're not a gamer. If you dont follow the industry, Rock*, SEGA, THQ. If those dont mean anything to you then you're not a gamer. If all you play is one type of game, sports, fps, third person shooter and that's all you play then you're not a gamer, you just play games.
If you're waiting for the price of the system to come down before you purchase it ( not because you dont have the money but because you think you can wait it out) then you're not a gamer. YOU JUST PLAY GAMES. If you're offended by any of what I just said. YOU 'RE NOT A GAMER.. YOU JUST PLAY GAMES.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:57 PM

Now a HARDCORE gamer, to me that's someone that plays consule and pc games. One that has know how it feel to get weak because you've been playing final fantisy for 13 hours and forgot to eat. A HARDCORE gamer is not just one that has the will to game, but one that is successfull at it. One that finished the a game like TOO HUMAN in one class just to turn around and beat in using a different class. NO YOU HALO JUNKIES DONT COUNT. Just because you know every secret jump spot in one game does not make you HARDCORE. You may be good in that game. But a HARDCORE GAMER will kick you @ss in more then one type of game. Someone that has a game on the consule but also buys it for their pc for the challenge and succeds. To me that's a HARDCORE GAMER. Wii SPORTS DOES NOT COUNT!!!!!!! A hardcore gamer is one that, you look at their achievements, or trophies and the first thing that comes to your mind is HOLY S@#t. Not because he does well in one game but in all games.
THAT'S HARDCORE

Posted by johnnypeps - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:07 PM

i realized i was a hardcore gamer when i played jersey devil for 12 hours and threw up. that game sucked so bad but when you are a little kid you play the hell out of every game you can get your hands on. that is, if you're hardcore.

Posted by deleted_00F7AF04-F47B-4A59-BCC2-2D429C739029 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:09 PM

A hardcore gamer to me is someone that gets 40+ hours a week gaming , like me, if I didnt work a day job Id get alot more that the 50-60 hours gaming a week now. I love my days off.

Posted by 2FAST4UALL - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:14 PM

Great article!

there should be no "whats hardcore?". we are all gamers and "hardcores need to learn to.... get along. the fact is without casuals, gaming would plummet.

what happens when the 35 yr old hardcore gamer of today grows up? get old? is forgotten? If gameing is limited to only these people, gaming would cease to exist. However the casual market is eternal. it will always bring new commers. who will cross over. give it time...

Posted by Frankotaco - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:27 PM

i agree with 199ALLSTAR, people who just play any one type of game weather it be music games, MMO's, FPS,etc. aren't really gamers at all. there merely a fad market base, just like GTA was last genn. note, those games DO push the industry forward, and are great games, but you have to take that starting point and move on to other styles to be a true Gamer.

I would call myself a gamer due to i; play many styles of games (sometimes even try to analyze them like i do film.) i have been into games since my original Super (which i still have in my room.) so thus understand and am a part of the counter culture. and i follow the industry due to my media studies. so thus i would call myself a gamer.

Posted by WalterWhite - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:37 PM

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Posted by Frankotaco - Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:43 PM

i would also agree that "HARDCORE" to me, is people who mostly go for the stats. you know, greed for the two G's; Gold and Glory. whether it be to brag of glory to friends, or seek gold by playing pro. its not an issue of talent...its an issue of your purpose for gaming.

"CASUAL" to me really isn't a class notation for a gamer. i casually game all the time. i play games on Newgrounds in my dorm. But my dad casually games when he plays my bro at hotshot golf. a casual game is a genre really, not a gaming class. and its more a name gamers give to outsiders who are playing games. just like i am a well rounded film student...but still go see Hollywood blockbusters. seeing those mass market movies don't make me less of a film enthusiast/student. you can be a gamer and play casual games. just people who play ONLY them, or only one of any genre, are casual.

Posted by KorwynKU - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:08 PM

I'm a casual gamer then.
I used to play games a lot since I was 14-15, well, that was about 20 years ago. I still do play games sometimes like an hour or 2 everyday, because I have a business to run. A restaurant business is super time consuming and I work 14-7. luckily I still have time for my games. But if it's all about "time", I should call myself a casual gamer.

but if it's up to me, it's about "heart". How much do you "love" playing games? How much do vdo games "mean" to you? I've seen those who claim themselves "hardcore" saying something about playing games for "Achievement Points"? What's that? to be "hardcore gamers" you have to have tons of that points on your profile? What about just playing for fun? Not to show off? bet that's a casual gamer thing to do. Oh well...

I think I better off being a casual gamer than being a hardcore like that.

Posted by jjammerzs - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:13 PM

The love of the game, or any game (real love not like), that's hardcore.
If you scream when someone kills you or gains more points than you, when they steal your power up/ weapon that's hardcore.
If your addicted, get a certain rush when you beat someone at their own game, on their own console, that's hardcore.
When you've lost track of time playing a game and a smile/ curiousity has not left your face, that's hardcore.
when you just have fun and don't give a damn what others think, whether your playing gow or barbie's big adventure, that's hardcore.
We play because we love to, that's hardcore.

Posted by Mysterieux - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:40 PM

Are hardcore gamer is one who truly loves games no matter what kind of games they may be, or how they play them.

The fools who play for a hours upon hours every day for a constant challenge and strive to be better then everyone else are not "hardcore gamers". They are just overly competitive morons with no lives. And they should commit suicide.

Posted by Solace - Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:50 PM

I think a hardcore gamer is someone who's moved past the need to "play" the game and "complete" the game, and has fallen deeply into the need to "perfect" the game. You know, the person who's played one level in one fps 100 times in a row, just to be sure that he knows how to use every corner to his advantage with every weapon? Or the guy who doesn't just beat an rpg, but also can tell you the fastest time and lowest level he's beat it at. Those are hardcore gamers.

Posted by TheNorm - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:01 PM

If you all are so "hardcore then why are you on here fighting about it and not playing your games?

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 3:32 PM

@TheNorm
cause we're on here talking about them. nothing wrong with talking about your favorite game. that just makes us more hardcore.

Posted by jonsie87 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:11 PM

@Antic1imacticKi11er

yes he has a very good arguement, but one thing bugs me... he needs to learn how to spell european in "European Extreme" haha. couldn't help but nitpick

Posted by lcromy - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:24 PM

Back in 2002-2004 my college buddies and I every weekend had Halo land parties. We'd all drag our Xbox's and our TV's to one location, and play 8 vs 8 capture the flag for hours and hours at a time. This went on every weekend religiously until Halo 2 came out and Xbox Live was the way we played from then on, but no Xbox Live experience has ever equaled the fun we had all coming together into one room playing the original Halo.

Those were the good ole days.

Posted by Doomguy13 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:42 PM

I love this post. It's a very interesting view on the whole idea of "Hardcore" gaming.

I like to think of hardcore gaming not as how many hours you log, or how many notes you can hit on Through the Fire and Flames, but how much you care about games. If you are WILLING to skip work to play a game, that's hardcore. If you DO skip work to play a game, that's just kinda stupid.

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:45 PM

@lcromy
i remember going to those kinda parties.... even though all the people were my friends, i was the only one in the back playing my pc while everyone else did 8v8 on halo. that was back when i sucked with the analog sticks. lol omg they could play that game foreeevvveerrrr.

Posted by Bebop2113 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:57 PM

i like how ,like all the first people thought they were like Psychiatrists and gave their speeches frome there one semester in a community collage psychiatric class.hahahahahahahahahah

Posted by shoryuking - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:58 PM

A Hardcore Gamer is pretty simple to me. He puts all other forms of entertainment for the most part after the priority of gaming. If 5 out of 10 times you choose to watch a movie or tv or party instead of gaming then it is not that much of a priority for you. A hardcore gamer whould choose to game more than do other such activities.

Posted by Neverrain - Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:59 PM

Hardcore Gamers are the people who grew up playing video games most of their lives and have a history with them also. I grew up in the '80's and '90's. Thats was an era when companies marketed towards gamers who played alot of different games most of the time, not casually or barely.

Posted by DNCMJim - Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:15 PM

this was probably one of the best articles I've read on the site.

Posted by ant1_Fro0b - Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:20 PM

Hardcore is really up to you. Its hard for one person to convince everyone that their idea of HARDCORE is the definition of HARDCORE. Sure, you can broaden your idea of what it means to be hardcore, but your opinion is what counts.

My idea of a hardcore gamer is someone who spends their energy on multiple platforms, multiple genres, and multiple hours to appreciate what GAMING IS. Now days, people imagine gaming as shooting things, rocking out your favorite song, making your best football team, ect. But I think people forgot how gaming has developed from things like Pong, Everquest, Doom, ect. I truly respect someone who spends their time to play their game(s) and appreciate the imagination and creativity that went into the game. Yes, hardcore to me is someone who thinks deep.

Posted by fghjkl - Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:10 PM

Theres 3 types of gamers.
1.NONGAMERS-People who dont pla games. They might have played a game ounce or twice but could care less of their existance.
2.CAUSUAL GAMERS-People who play games in their spare time ounce in a while go buy a Cheap game at wall mart for about 10 bucks or so might own about 1 system mabe a controller or 2
3.HARDCORE GAMERS-AKA real gamers. they Keep up to date on current gaming events,cant wait for their system to come out. Have beaten more games that they,ve read books. Its not the dificulty its the passion.

Posted by Heffe12345 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:07 PM

I have seen comments on here about heart. Which is a very compelling argument. I have to say that i agree with most of what you say however that does not win this debate. i have heart when i play ultimate frisbee, i love the thrill of any competition and put my all in it(heart). Unfortunately, just haveing heart in an ultimate frisbee match does not make me a hardcore participant in the sport. Hardcore, i feel, deserves some differentiation. That is why i don't think that heart alone puts someone in the same catagory. By the way i am 27, have a CPA, and a "real life" but i still find the time to game. I even do a podcast every week about the industry. Don't complain about having responsibilities, i am sure no one will contest your love of the industry, but life happens and sometimes you have to give up you hobbies for family. I am sorry but you are just not hardcore any more. One day it will happen to me, but not yet :-)

Posted by souljabwoy - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:10 PM

It's been said many times already but hardcore is playing long sessions, neglecting both food and sleep, sometimes even friends and family at times. Its not being able to pull away for nothing. Its staying abreast of new patches, mods, versions, etc. It's thinking about it day and night, needlessly struggling thru the school day as you wait to get home to login. In a sense, hardcore gaming borders of game addiction.

Posted by silenthillbilies - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:11 PM

can you believe there is millions of freaks like these all over the planet. burn your consoles!, get out of your homes and breath some air . i think if the fbi and the cia wants to look for rapists and serial killers, they should start with high school gyms and eletronic stores. godamn

Posted by mercisan - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:36 PM

^
WTF is this guy's problem?

Posted by Sonicguy74 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:39 PM

To me, hardcore gaming is all about putting your best effort into gaming PERIOD and improve in your own unique way regardless of how much time you put in or genre a game is (and yes, even games that many consider gay, stupid, or failures) and what makes it seperate from casual gaming is that some want to play for the family vaules. I, myself feel more on the hardcore gaming side, but also a little on the casual side (so, I'm both).

Posted by Majin_Neo - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:43 PM

I hardly get a chance to play a game these days but when I do I like to just escape into another world, kind of like what movies do. They provide the ability to pretend that you are that character and relate to them, which is what games are able to do. When I play, I get into it and become pretty "hardcore". I think gamers are hardcore if they get immersed into what they are playing. It is when they lose touch with reality that they become "extreme" in my opinion and should consider getting some help or finding an extra hobby... possibly picking up a real guitar and learning how to read music (its not that hard ladies and gentlemen) :)

Posted by DBJAY - Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:52 PM

Hardcore gaming really is done mostly by the professionals and those that compete in competition. The rest of use are hobbyists.

Some will spend a lot of time on the hobby, be open to various gamine types on multiple platforms, and really want to experience it all. They will read up on current events, track their favorite companies, be able to discuss it amongst their peers.

Other wil choose to be limited, either by time or another factor, and kind of dabble in it. They are more likely to be unaware of the entire gamut of experiences, will be unable to discuss gaming in much detail. These people are the true casuals.

It's no different than other hobbies in that sense. Take sports, like football. You have the pros that make their living off it, those hobbyists that know everything about it, and then those that just enjoy it on a more simpler level.

Posted by Menisaphis - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:01 PM

-If you have ever dressed up as a video game or video game related character, you're hardcore.
- If you have ever played videogames for over six hours straight, you're hardcore.
-If you subscribe to any video game related magazines, you're hardcore.
-If you know and celebrate winter-een-mas, you're hardcore.

(just a few examples)

Posted by Heffe12345 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:09 PM

i think this is the first time that i can say i am proud to be part of a posting/ forum. Normally it is just fanboy lipservice but i can honestly say that g4 has struck a cord with the intelligent gamers that actully have something to say. I know many of you don't agree with my point of view but i am happy to see that my fellow intelligent gamers are finally speaking out. No mater what you have to say on this topic i think we can all agree on "one love". Thanks to all my fellow gamers that are as passionate as me. Let's bring our hobby slash passion farther then we already have these past 20 or so years

Posted by gamerbeing - Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:10 PM

the defination of a hardcoregamer???? the willingness of not being able to put down a game(even thought ur wife is screaming at u to find a place to save it). the actions of a person to brag that he/she just got kicked in a game of brawl.and finally the feeling you get when u have worked so hard on a game that u have completed only to go and play it a gain 3 months down the road(for the third time). that is the deffination of a hard core gamer...

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:03 PM

To me being hardcore is based on being skilled at a variety of games and getting the most they have to offer.If you finish a game with 100% your hardcore time be dammed.Some say this many hours a day/week makes you hardcore.I disagree. it not the hours you put into something,its what you put in the hours.i work 10 hours i day ,does that make me a hardcore worker? or is what i can do when a rush comes?i think of people that watch all the special features on dvds as hardcore film buffs versus those that simply watch the movies having no idea how they were made. @Menisaphis
i did/do all those things. by your standards i am hardcore.

Posted by coolester1234 - Saturday, August 30, 2008 9:24 PM

i think a hardcore gamer is someone who loves to play games even if its just one game. if they have the will to play that game whenever they can then yes that makes them a hardcore gamer.

Posted by bigmonstefan - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:01 PM

There are many routes to hardcore gaming. My hardcoreness is different from genre to genre. There's power leveling in rpg's, the various difficulties in devil may cry. And so on. I am not however hardcore enough to get pass the camera in ninja gaiden sigma. I don't care how great a game looks or handles, if the camera is your biggest and cheapest enemy, chunk it all.

Posted by Popofish - Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:22 PM

Hardcore is easy to define.
If anyone of relative importance or authority told you that you can no longer play video games for a period of time, and you still played anyway that makes you a hardcore gamer in my eyes. Then it really doesn't matter what you play but if your willing to play it even though someone told you not to.

Posted by Omega_Destiny - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:04 PM

to me Hardcore just means that ur a gamer that is looking for a challenge disregard for Genres and console your just someone that likes to play a game that is well created since ur "casual" gamers dont really have any expectations for the game but is it fun. we want a game that has depth, challenge, repeatability and of course you want to prove ur skills with others.

Posted by thereddrummer - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:05 PM

remember when classic arcade games, the ones we all cherish now and revere as old school hard core, were only 25 cents? People would take a lunch break, grab a coke and play a little. Business men, teachers, moms, dads... does this ring a bell? Arcades started as quote unquote casual gaming! To go so far out of one's way to call out nintendo for making games people like instead of games only a percentage of people like is an affront to our past.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:03 AM

This is an excellent article. Especially when hear a lot of gamers say the Wii is weak because it does not have any HARDCORE games.

A lot of people are posting comment on how they played back in the days. That's all good and all but that was back in the day. I wasnt a gamer then, played some games but nothing beyond playing the game. I didn't 8 bit from 16 or 32 bit. And I didn't game much then. BUT now I'm a gamer.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:04 AM

So please spare me the details that you're a gamer because back in the day you played. THAT WAS THEN, DO YOU STILL GAME NOW. So if you dont still play then you're an "OG" an ORIGINAL GAMER. Yeah you had coleco, atari 2600, turbo graphics 16. And they're collecting dust on your shelf. You WERE a GAMER, but dont confuse that with bieng a gamer NOW. It's like a WW2 vet calling himself a killing machine now. No you WERE back then. BUT NOT NOW. GET IT. So before you consider yourself a HARDCORE GAMER. You first need to be a GAMER. IN THE PRESENT. Not back when you pupped a quarter to play mortal compat, or went to the mall to show off your skills at street fighter. BUT NOW, Fall out, Resident Evil, Halo, Gears, Command and Conquer, WOW, Final Fantasy, MetalGear, KOTOR, MARVEL VS CAPCOM, RESIDENT EVIL, SPLINTER CELL, FORZA, GRAND TURISMO. not pacman, ms pacman, qbert, frogger, narc, tmnt, hang on, outrun.
GOT IT...GOOD

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:11 AM

There needs to be a destinction between those who are passionate gamers and the HARDCORE gamers. There are those passionate gamers who will spend an eternity on games because of the rush and addictive nature of the game. Not bieng able to pull yourself away from the game because they've become intoxicated by that need to continue and not put down the controller simply because they dont want the game to end. I dont believe that makes someone a hardcore gamer. IF THE WERE THE CASE THEN EVERY 12 YEAR OLD refusing to go to bed and turn off the game after mom said so would be HARDCORE.

A HARDCORE GAMER IS MORE THE THAT.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:28 AM

A HARD CORE GAMER is not only someone plays the game, but also follows the industry. Not just because he's a fanboy (GET IT BIENG A FANBOY DOES NOT = BIENG HARDCORE)

A HARDCORE gamer would be someone who logs on the game publisher's site to find out news on expected titles. Follows the gaming conference E3, GDC, CES, for details from the publishers.

ALSO a HARDCORE gamer is unlike other gamers that cant let go of a game because of their addiction. A hardcore gamer does now want to turn the game off because he's on the verge of getting somewhere further. He'll turn the game off and be haunted of how to pass that stage and think up different strategies on his how.
Then when he gets back on the game and it works, tries a different stragegy, just for the challenge.
It's not just how long or how OFTEN YOU PLAY A GAME..
IT'S ALSO HOW WELL. You play the game! Not just one game. MULTIPLE games.

Posted by Tasomo - Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:26 AM

CAPITALIZING ever other LETTER doesn't MAKE you HARDCORE either.

OTHERWISE anyone with CAPS LOCK would be HARDCORE.

You, and several other posters like you, can't make up your mind what a hardcore gamer is. Your criteria for being considered hardcore changes within the same post and yet you make 3-6 posts.

Being an ass doesn't make you hardcore either.

Posted by top8cat - Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:33 AM

I agree hardcore gameing means devoting your life saying up 38 straight hours on Threads of Fate eatting chocolate covered cherries with 6 bottles of orage soda

or playing Halo non-stop from start to finish, easy to legendary, working your a#$ off to get to level 200 in phantasy star and completyly avoiding all contact from the outside world to beat the legon of the dragon in under 60 hours

or holding a 3week grudge against your
button-smashing-brother for beating you in Marvel vs Capcom while trying to perform 130 hit ending with a super special combo you spent days trying to master.

I gotta agree anyone whiling to spend hours getting to level 90 in bejeweled or getting the top score in pinball on their family computer instead of spending their time parting with some friends is a HARDCORE gamer and deserves that title.

Posted by FreshCut_T70 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:08 AM

Its easy as saying "hardcore gaming is what Nintendon't". Wii Sports and all the party mini game crap on the system is fas from Hardcore Gaming, its mass market puke.

Posted by shindoushuichi0287 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:06 AM

such a easy question. simple. massive franchises are the core or hardcore game. ie Metal Gear games or Mario or Final Fantasy. or the fighting games. i won't say Wii sports is a hardcore game either cus it was pretty much a great party game. hardcore games have to have some kinda of history or back story or something to make them engaging. or at least already be an established franchise ie Madden or Burn out style game. games that you have to put time and effort into beat or get good at and leave you with that feeling of "heck ya" when you win or finish a game. thats what hardcore is to me i guess.

Posted by shindoushuichi0287 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:08 AM

such a easy question. simple. massive franchises are the core or hardcore game. ie Metal Gear games or Mario or Final Fantasy. or the fighting games. i won't say Wii sports is a hardcore game either cus it was pretty much a great party game. hardcore games have to have some kinda of history or back story or something to make them engaging. or at least already be an established franchise ie Madden or Burn out style game. games that you have to put time and effort into beat or get good at and leave you with that feeling of "heck ya" when you win or finish a game. thats what hardcore is to me i guess.

Posted by shindoushuichi0287 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:11 AM

crap double posted srry

Posted by Tman88 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:12 AM

To me, a hardcore gamer is someone that is willing to master a game and use that strategy for other games.

Posted by Thundercracker - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:31 AM

just an observation
hardcore gamers are addicts... people with an unhealthy obsession

people whose lives revolve around gaming despite any or all detrimental effect to their personal, professional or social lives.

people whos self esteem is so low that the only real personal satisfaction they get is perfecting the art of virtual competition.

unless you are working at xplay or a pro gamer--being a hardcore gamer isnt a good thing. The word rehab comes to mind...its almost tragic that so many highly intelligent people dont use their intellect more for the common good.

if you consider yourself hardcore at anything, its kinda sad

Posted by MaxDragon7 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:19 AM

I managed to log in over 400 hours into Pokemon Diamond (My friend also did 400 hours because we were helping each other) and i beat the MGS 4 storyline 9 times and have most of the rewards (all face camo, corpse camo, all weapons, most emblems, about 5/6 of the list done, including the Big Boss Emblem). Just wish there were more trophies for games like CoD4 and MGS 4 cause im playing online on both now.

Posted by themexicanguy - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:27 AM

i really agree with this guy.

Posted by JakeTheSnakeMan - Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:32 AM

you're hardcore if you play so long without stopping that you can't focus on the screen long enough to see how long you've actually been playing

Posted by tachFX - Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:59 AM

I think people need to realize there is a difference between Hardcore gamer, and being Hardcore on a game.

Being hardcore on a game just means you spend hours of playing a certain game your good at and like, but I don't think that makes you a Hardcore gamer.

Hardcore gamers are the ones that there lifestyle is games. they read about, them play them not, just one but several genres. and perhaps even involved with games for a living or career, say it an online blog for reviews, or game magazine, or perhaps actual game development. that is what a HARDCORE gamer make.

Posted by drieva - Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:45 AM

hardcore gaming is where you d rather play video games than anything else. its also how much time.casual gamers get on for a half in hour just to pass the time.where as hardcore gamers can play for hours and hours and only think u been on a minute or to till u realize u started at 9 in the mornin and its 10 30 at night.wii players can be hardcore guys but some arnet.

Posted by drieva - Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:48 AM

also if u find urself spendin most of ur gaming day puttin in cheats ur not hardcore.diffulcty is also big.

Posted by drieva - Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:52 AM

also if u find urself spendin most of ur gaming day puttin in cheats ur not hardcore.diffulcty is also big.

Posted by drieva - Sunday, August 31, 2008 9:54 AM

heart and time are the 2 biggest peices of being hardcore. now do urself a favor and get playin

Posted by YoureSoFunny - Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:29 AM

Definition of Hardcore Gamers= Losers that have no life.

Posted by Chyron - Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:36 AM

The term hardcore gamer to me has always meant one that you would rather live the game than your own life. With this being said I believe that the online gaming and "achievement point" lifestyle is something else. What that something else is has nothing to do with gaming but pure primal human characteristics. This group of individuals are not gamers but instead a group that has some infatuation with being the "best" at a certain thing. It wouldn't surprise me to find that they are the "best" at a lot of other things not related to gaming. I myself have always believed that gaming was introduced because man was made for creating and this was just a creation to probably fulfill a wish of experiencing a life not yet lived.

Posted by brokendemon - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:43 AM

If I may,
@Thundercracker
We all have our vices, you included I am sure. However, to be a hardcore gamer does not nessicarily mean that you are an addict. Though there are some who truly are. I think it is important to know the difference between the two.
@YoureSoFunny
You come here to criticize hardcore gaming as nothing more than loser activity. However in a struggling market, gaming is still thriving. Therefore you must admit that there is some merit to gaming as a whole, hardcore or not.

Posted by Velocity2k - Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:46 AM

There have been a lot of good comments to this post; most of them seem to have a common theme: the amount of time one spend on a game determines one's "hardcoreness". Nintendo has been getting a lot of press with people claiming that they have abandoned the hardcore gamers by focusing on "casual games"; however, though the games may be casual the users may not be. I don't think the big N is ignoring the hardcore, but redefining what it is to be hardcore.

Posted by sinister6972 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:01 PM

Being hardcore is like playing basketball everyday...

I remember back in the day(true story), one of my uncle's had Street Fighter 2 for the arcade(I was real young). When I first played that game, I knew from the beginning it was different from Mario. The notion to compete(which you mentioned on top), the characters, texture, etc, it brought me a new way to play games. When I played Mario, it was fun, but when I played Street Fighter, it was challenging. For me, Street Fighter wasn't about whether I can beat the game or not, it was about how different it played than any other game at time. I felt like Street Fighter wasn't casual, but hardcore because of how different it was.

And when you look at games and how they evolve, everything is the same but the challenge is there. Bragging rights, achievements, etc, are just one part of how distinctively games have become but also it showed how hardcore games have been.

Posted by sinister6972 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:03 PM

Speaking of Street Fighter, guess what? I know a lot of owners, etc. And of course I was gonna ask one owner if they can get Street Fighter 4 already! Guess what? We're just waiting for it, now that's hardcore! LOL!!

Posted by galvan - Sunday, August 31, 2008 1:54 PM

the negative the positive....dosent matter cuz we are people that play games...

some are okay with the games some are not....

but they still play some kind of game.......

doesnt matter if you like old skool sentapid...

or the 360 or ps3....

if you cant get enough....you are what ever you want to put your self at.....

but put your self it the reite place or you will get smashed....lol jk jk

Posted by NuBeatz - Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:27 PM

You're a hardcore gamer if....

you got 2 hott chicks naked in bed waiting impatiently on you to get the last half bubble to level 70 in WoW.

Posted by barleyguy - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:13 PM

This article and the responses are pretty refreshing. I am a lifelong gamer, going on 30 years since I was addicted to Asteroids. Yes, I'm getting older. Not my fault.

But I no longer play shooters. The last ones I really enjoyed was Serious Sam. Mouse gaming in general makes my wrists hurt. So most of my gaming now happens on the Wii. But I don't consider myself a "casual" gamer. Also, I'm not that much into violence and blood and guts in my games, though I support free speech enough to not be against it. Not for me, but if other people like it, it's cool.

It seems that some people define hardcore as "I be a l33t shooter player, yo!", or "Look at the gibs from that headshot." I'm glad from this story and the responses, that the general opinion seems to support lots of different games being included in the hardcore.

Posted by icantthinkofaname45 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:15 PM

hardcore gaming: me i kind of am obsessed with gaming i like all kind of games.myself i spend all day with games wen i have the chance.i think im hardcore.that doesnt mean i dont have a life.i just like games.u just have 2 enjoy them.i play sports and im in school alot so really i play like all day on sat and sun thats all.so really its my opinion.wut ever u think is cool

Posted by ant1_Fro0b - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:19 PM

Maybe I wasn't clear in my first post here... It is the game that makes the player hardcore. If he or she has such passion about the specific game(s) he or she is playing then they will dedicate a vast majority of the days they have to play these game(s). We've all felt so good about a game that at one point we didn't want to leave, neglecting personal needs such as food, sleep, family/interaction, ect. By now, with this specific game(s), you can be considered hardcore. And I honestly believe we've all done this before, if not, consider yourself a casual gamer.

Posted by gamerbeing - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:20 PM

there is so many different opinons about the deffination of hardcore gaming. in my opinon we are all hardcore gamers in our own right. whether we play rpg,mmo's,fighting games,shooters, etc. reading these posts opens my eyes to many examples of being hardcore. whether young or old(or young at heart).but most of you seem to think that there is a fine line between being hardcore and being casual.even thought my last post said the contrary. the real question is. is there really a good deffination???

Posted by icantthinkofaname45 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:28 PM

hardcore gaming: me i kind of am obsessed with gaming i like all kind of games.myself i spend all day with games wen i have the chance.i think im hardcore.that doesnt mean i dont have a life.i just like games.u just have 2 enjoy them.i play sports and im in school alot so really i play like all day on sat and sun thats all.so really its my opinion.wut ever u think is cool

Posted by paulthebest - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:43 PM

This one's easy. replace "hardcore" with "irrationally obsessive" and you have your answer...

Posted by Kolmn - Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:48 PM

Haha.... Hardcore?

well if you can complete the last Dungeon on xenogears then your pretty much a boss!

that was a straight three day no sleep to beat...

now that hardcore...

Posted by icantthinkofaname45 - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:03 PM

@paulthebest
ur on a gaming website.u telling people they r obsessed with games on a gaming web is telling ur self u dont have a life eather

Posted by paulthebest - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:11 PM

This one's easy. replace "hardcore" with "irrationally obsessive" and you have your answer...

Posted by Dellking (BANNED) - Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:12 PM

i say that hardcore gaming is being able to play and beat extreemly hard games to play, like Gears of War, Halo, Army of 2, Resistence, etc, But that also inculdes being able to go beyond whats need to beat a game, and pushing yourself beyond the limit of what your body can allow you to do: stay up all night, play for hours, not allowing the game to beat you.

Posted by Thundercracker - Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:02 PM

@brokendemon

allow me to expound

if you are an adult and are having trouble making the rent yet still find 5 to 6 hours a day to play games, you are an addict and you need to put the controller down. i was there 10 years ago

Posted by co_conspirator - Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:51 PM

Me and all of my friends who play online are of the 'hardcore' crowd. We all, though, are into the shooters, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Halo, and Counterstrike. We have sessions that last at least ten hours a day and use the vernacular of the culture in every day life, even when we have an 11 essay project due the very next day. But another buddy of mine, he has over a hundred hours on DiRT, and is also considered 'hardcore'. But we dont have a clear interpretation of the term, so we set it at how long you play a game in one sitting and how often in a day. That works for us and thats what we define as hardcore. But to delve deeper into the subject would take too long. I might write my thesis on it in college its so intracate.

Posted by phukthehaters - Monday, September 1, 2008 6:27 AM

I think i would consider myself a hardcore gamer. Not so much because i spend 80 hours a week gaming because i have a job and a 4 year old daughter. I consider myself hardcore because i have had many arguments with my wife about my side hobby. Anybody that would fight with his wife just so he could continue getting his gaming fix has to be hardcore.

And playing on the hardest level doesn't make you hardcore. Every time i start a game i start on easy or medium. I like to enjoy the story of the game without the stress. once i beat it then i move on to a harder level.

Posted by Voitan - Monday, September 1, 2008 9:26 AM

Direct footage of penetration.

Posted by brokendemon - Monday, September 1, 2008 10:39 AM

@Thundercracker
I appreciate the response. I understand your situation.
To any reading this now, understand that gaming really is great, a wonderful way to escape and enjoy your time. But like anything else, such as smoking, drinking, drugs, among other things, you CAN become an addict. If you really can't escape a video game and your grades, your relationships, or your job are waivering, put down the controller and get help. Ride a bike, go out camping, just get away from it for a while. Unlike games, you only get one chance in this life, so make it worthwhile.

Posted by brokendemon - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:33 AM

@Thundercracker
I appreciate the response. I understand your situation.
To any reading this now, understand that gaming really is great, a wonderful way to escape and enjoy your time. But like anything else, such as smoking, drinking, drugs, among other things, you CAN become an addict. If you really can't escape a video game and your grades, your relationships, or your job are waivering, put down the controller and get help. Ride a bike, go out camping, just get away from it for a while. Unlike games, you only get one chance in this life, so make it worthwhile.

Posted by Thundercracker - Monday, September 1, 2008 3:21 PM

yeah its really not my situation

when i was about 17 it was, i played final fantasy 7 literally for about 2 months straight, from when i woke up to when i crashed


its really not a good thing for you to consider yourself hardcore at anything

Posted by mercisan - Monday, September 1, 2008 10:29 PM

@thundercracker

I hear you man. I quit gaming for about 3 years because it affected me in school too much. I went from being the top student in my class the first 2 years of high school to failing one of my classes in the third one. That's when I knew it was time to quit.

Posted by dustyballs7 - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:30 PM

i feel that u are what u think u are.it doesnt matter what kind of games u play or how good u are at them.its more about how passionate are u about video games in general.take this to a different genre,my dad doesnt play football,hes prolly not good at it,but because of his passion hes a hardcore sports fan.he takes the time to read up on and know the stats of players,know who got drafted,know the scores.i know its kinda out of context,i mainly am trying to get at that its about the passion.a lot of people i work with play wii but refuse to admit they are "gamers,"they arent passionate about games,and only play every once in a while.they could care less about nintendos line up in 09.in conclusion i feel that if ur on this site,chances are ur a hardcore gamer.mainly because u care enough and have enough passion to post ur own thoughts on what makes a hardcore gamer.if u werent one u would probably have looked this article over and moved on.

Posted by dustyballs7 - Monday, September 1, 2008 11:31 PM

my post would have been longer, but it cut me down to 1000 characters lol hopefully u get what i was trying to get at. PASSION lol jk

Posted by Krazy_K - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 4:02 AM

Different people will have different meaning to the words 'hardcore gamer'. All I say is if you believe you are a 'hardcore gamer' then that's all you need. You don't have to have a huge collection of games, or own all the systems, hell you could play all your games of the lowest level of differculty as still be a hardcore gamer. As long as your are passionate about your games, you are a hardcore gamer!

Posted by Close_Shave - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:26 AM

What's hardcore...?

I played Pong when it was brand new. We owned an Atari 2600. I had a Commodore Vic 20 that I pretty much only used to play chess.

When I graduated from university, one of the first things I did was go out and buy a Nintendo (THE Nintendo, not the Came Cube, not the 64, not the Super Nintendo, although that one did come later now that I think about it).

Later, I went out and got a Sega Genesis, along with the Sega CD (man, what a piece of junk).

Posted by Close_Shave - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:27 AM

Then there was the PC. King's Quest I on the IBM PC Jr. Then all the rest of the King's Quest games. I loved the Gabriel Knight series. Wing Commander. Alone in the Dark. Zork. Myst. Under a Killing Moon. And SO many more that I can't even remember the names of.

1998 (99?) and back to the consoles. Bought a PSOne.

2000-and-something. Got a PS2.

Now, I own a 360, a PS3, a Wii and the PSP. Nice thing about being older and employed. Still using the PS2 mostly for the GH games.

So, am I a hardcore gamer? Don't know.... Not by the definitions that some people have posted here. I actually have a life outside of games (which, apparently, disqualifies me).

Do I care? No. It's only a title (and a recent one at that). And titles are silly and they come and go. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you call me. So what.

But I've had fun. A hell of a lot of fun. And I'm not done yet....

Posted by MightySquirrel - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:41 AM

What's really interesting about this topic, is how there's different levels of hardcore, for the different types of sides of the story.

The playing side can be divided into several different groups, time played/difficulty of game. You have the hardcore WoW players who play when they can, from right after work or school till they pass out, you have the old school fans that can speed run through Mario 1, but only play a couple hours a day.

You also have the collectors, who love to hunt down what games they don't have, the ones they want to play on real console because they refuse to do emulation. They go to every yard sale, flea market, just to find that label variation that they are missing for their collection.

When you replace Hardcore with Passion, you get to see all the different levels of passion, just like mechanic, patriotic, or any kind of other hobby or subject.

Posted by bholt13 - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 2:17 PM

i think hardcore gamer is that u have many games that u play and u put them all before many aspects of your life. i wouldnt consider myself a hardcore gamer even tho i play alot of cod and other lesser known games. i would consider i am a hardcore gamer because even during the schoolyear i put alot of hours up on wow. and pull allnighters alot more often than i should in my quest to complete well quests.

Posted by neoshadowknight - Tuesday, September 2, 2008 6:22 PM

A hardcore gamer is a gamer that will put up anything just to play games. Whether that is social interactions, family, school, and etc. A gamer that plays wii sports or halo for 9 hours a day than someone who plays wii sports 2 hours a day is considered hardcore. Games is the first priority of a hardcore gamer. so games are the first thing that comes to dat persons mind.

lol there are even different levels of a hardcore gamer.

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