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Sessler's Soapbox: Diablo III's Flaming Fanboys

Posted by Jonathan Hunt - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:33 PM

Sure, we may bitch about Lucas ruining Star Wars, or Link going cute and cuddly with Wind Waker, but when does our fanboy bitching cross the line? At what point do we need to accept that the song doesn't remain the same and that change is inevitable?

In this week's Sessler's Soapbox, Adam tackles the recent criticism over Blizzard's bright and colorful art scheme for the highly anticipated Diablo III.

He also wants to hear your thoughts on the matter. Should we rant and rave about a game betraying us simply because its different from its predecessor? Check out the video and let us know what you think or share your thoughts on our forums.

 

 

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Posted by Darkshadowkg - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:53 PM

i love the pic beore you stat the video. priceless.

what sessler ismssing though is that sane people already get this and it's old news but he words it so it' more likly to hit those art fanatics
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:08 PM

He uses Zelda, which is prettymuch ALWAYS for children, and Fallout, a game that seemed like it'd be pretty damn good back in the day (watched alot, but not played it), but had gameplay that probably wouldn't have translated as well into a modern title given a graphical overhaul.

I've posted long-winded comments on this topic, and it's one that's probably more bothersome than anything since the reveal of D3. I really don't want to rant too much anymore about it, so I'm just gonna write the rest here, and be done with it. The game looks like it plays fine, hell, Diablo clones are a dime a dozen these days, they'd be retarded if they missed the mark on gameplay.
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Posted by Suhaila - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:16 PM

I mean what would have happened with Prince of Persia if they never changed the scheme of it and even the game play? Some pretty pathetic games, I'd say.

And if you don't like it, just don't play it. There are tons of games out there to play and I don't know about others but I have a hard time finding time in my adult life to play even just a few of them.
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Posted by WildfireFox - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:21 PM

I'd have to say... if someone spends 20 minutes reviewing the latest art style for a game, they are rather inclined to make a decision on whether it's appropriate for the universe they've come to know and like. It's not like they passed a screen shot and flailed their arms; they took time to think about it, compare it, and ultimately come up with a strong feeling over the situation. So I'm sorry Adam; you're completely in the wrong as far as saying it's wrong for people to passionate about the games they love. Me; I don't play Diablo, and I don't really plan to. I'm on neither side in this debate.

Cont~
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Posted by WildfireFox - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:22 PM

Really bad Soap Box; It just boils down to Adam acting overly upset over something people have the right to do. It doesn't hurt anyone; It actually takes thought and time; and it's a shame he's slamming people that are loyal to the franchise. Tsk tsk. If you even read this Adam, I want you to know you're really off the mark.

Best thing to come out of this video is Disgaea 3 in the background.
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:23 PM

If you've played the game 8 years ago, and the one before it, thinking ahead to how games would look graphically, and what could be done with the much hoped-for and at that point, imaginary D3, The fans I remember talking to back then had a much more grim image of the game. Ppl would just be pumped thinkign about it. It was almost unthinkable as to what the third installment might look like. So, they unveil it this year, and it's no more horrifying than WoW, the game Blizzard has been investing so much time in lately (which is cool, WoW is a huge success, and distinct in it's own right). I agree that the fan's depictions of the game that were photoshopped and went overboard at some points. But in others, they were almost spot-on (Hell, the petition went up extremely fast and a quick PS job was all they had to work with). I think the 3d jump killed the game's visual appeal for myself, an a good 60k+ others..
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Posted by sunnycoast - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:27 PM

Agree with you 110% Adam, what you said is exactly how I feel. These people (who are serial whingers I'm quite sure of it) are just simply not complete unless they have a "cause" to complain about. However, in this particular cause, as you pointed out - it's a frikken video game. Children are starving in Africa every minute of the day, and yet these people somehow have the gumption to consume copious amounts of energy complaining about an entertainment (read - luxury) product.

Here's a link for the spoilt brat Diablo whiners - www.worldvision.com - see what your life could have been like if you were one of the less fortunate.
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Posted by Spiderish - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:29 PM

The biggest flaw I've seen with the D3 unveiling is their new health recovery system. It looks like it should get scrapped for potions due to the possibility of one line of code breaking an area of gameplay because the orbs decided not to appear in that act.

Even without the possibility of game breaking bugs. It also looked to take the health management of D2 completely out of the hands of the player, something which has been perfected with the previous titles. Bad idea to this D2-oholic.
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Posted by DjCrespo - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:33 PM

Well said Sessler
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Posted by johhnymayhem - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:35 PM

lol. I think it's funny those people find the time to stop listening to The Cure to complain about something.

ITT: RAGE Goths
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Posted by VRaptorX - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:38 PM

OK, 2 complaints.

1) Wind Waker's graphics did not fit the dark story at all. And to be honest, the game was not as good as other Zelda games thanks to our triforce shard hunt and endless sailing.

2) Why so angry at the gamers when reviewers just like yourself crapped all over Warrior Within just because it had a different dark attitude. It fixed the fighting gameplay problems, so gameplay wise it wasthe better game. Hypocritical much?
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Posted by Nightfirewlf - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:39 PM

... Adam Twilight princess beat Windwaker on so many levels no stupid boat sailing and child-like bigheaded link wannabe. Anyways back to Diablo I'm still kinda not agreeing with you on the Diablo thing i mean if the game is fun i'll play it but it seems like at was a little cooler with the Conan and LOTR kinda gothic hack and slash. and It's still not enough for me to not buy the game.
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Posted by WildfireFox - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:44 PM

^Nighfirewlf? That name sounds... somehow similar...
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Posted by gEARhead24 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:49 PM

I hate fanboys they always complain about certain changes to a game or who ever talks bad about there favorite game.
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:53 PM

But yeah.. Adam totally doesn't care about a game that up until this day is STILL trying to be copied. Maybe Adam should ask himself this question, if mario went extremely realistic, gears went cell shaded and blocky, and halo took a step back and started looking like Duke Nukem 3d, or even Marathon, would reactions like these be so obsurd?? Call it what you will, but it was a genre defining game that set the bar SO damn high, anything after it just doesn't compare, and as for taking the Diablo franchise a step ahead, they're taking it a step aside--along WoW, and the rest of the 3d hack and slash RPG's. The only justic I see them bringing to them game would be the audio, and nicer outdoor environments.
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Posted by pgerv12 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:54 PM

Well shouldn't fanboys wait to play it and see if you don't like it. So what if it changes the fun style (yeah i liked it) into maybe something more fun and intense. Way to go Adam :) i like this one.
Oh and the zelda thing who cares if you don't like what Adam says don't listen to him he's just telling you what his opinion is, you don't have to yell at him for having a different opinion
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:56 PM

If I could ask blizzard anything right now, it'd be to at least give users a high-textured option in the setting for the game for ppl who have pc's at least 2 years old and want something pleasing to look at for another 8+ years, who don't believe the games should be so low reqs the visuals suffer--

and put the light radius back in for god sakes...
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:00 PM

And--
Keep the outdoor rainbows, just DON'T let up on the dungeons.. I think anyone who's played the first one (I mentioned this before, but it's the best example) would agree that in-dungeon, you should feel like your in the butcher's room at all times.

Adam, MAN what's gotten into you? Being neutral on the topic would have been understandable, but i think the only people agreeing with you here are ppl who never got into the first 2, and can easily say "dont like it dont play it". If that was everyone's feeling on games these days, the gaming market would have SUNK quite a while ago from nobody playing the garbage that's poured into the market...

But yeah. Done this.
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Posted by Ieyke - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:08 PM

Most of the time I agree with you Mr. Sessler but this time you've landed far off target.
First of all they ARE beholden to us as the consumers. WE are the ones who will be spending OUR money to by the game they made and that game BETTER be worth it.
22 minutes of a gameplay trailer may not be any major part in the game but it gives you a fairly deep understanding of the game's graphical direction and form a well thought out opinion. More often than not you can judge a games style from just 2 minutes of footage and be perfectly right.
In all probability the game will be fun but atmosphere and environment is of great importance to the game and even the smallest one can totally shatter the idea of a world consistent with what came before it.
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Posted by Ieyke - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:10 PM

It's not a matter of fear of change. I welcome their new health mechanics, gameplay changes, environmental interaction etc. What we have with a shift of graphic style is a breaking of tone and the suspension of disbelief that a Diablo style game benefits greatly from having.



Not to belittle the plight of starving people in Africa, but they're not remotely important to the issue being discussed or anything on G4 for that matter.
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Posted by sinister6972 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:16 PM

Tell em Adam!!
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Posted by ranger095 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:26 PM

I hope you read this Adam because i want to thank you for putting your damn foot down and telling the world the truth about most fanboys! I personally have never played anything made by blizzard (at least i dont think) and after seeing D3 in action it looks like a truly phenomenal game, i am most excited for the animations and the exquisite detail but the main thing that truly satisfies my battle needs is the health regain method. The thing i dont understand is why the hell people are complaining?? i dont think all the classes have even been announced yet! We saw little clips showing the gameplay and everyone is freaking out?? Well i hope you read this Adam and i just want to say, i havent seen the show in about 2 years and i recently started watching it and i have to say you and morgan have changed A LOT but in a great way! The show is still awesome and Morgan is hotter than ever.
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Posted by suda51fan - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:27 PM

People like that are a bunch of people who sit in their rooms and play FPS's all day. I know some people that looked at okami for a second nd said "thats so different its a piece of crap I'd rather play CoD4" people that are afraid of change well I pretty much said it already. I'm suprized that he didn't use banjo as an example though
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Posted by askewman37 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:29 PM

okay first of all and most important, good Soapbox

secondly, Wind Waker was the best, While Twilight Princess was great it's basically just a newer version of OoT, With a few elements of Wind Waker's story mixed in.

Finally, VRaptorX from what I remeber they didn't completely "crap on" Warrior Within, unless having it go from a 5 to a 4 counts as that, and more importanly he waited until IT ACTUALLY CAME OUT to complain about it, see the difference?
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Posted by WhiteWolfAssassin - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:30 PM

Change is a good and I think it's smart to go for a different art style for Diablo III. Besides, playing a game just for it's graphics is pathetic. If you don't like the art style, complain all you want but I suggests you play it before you rush to judgement and say it's a crappy game just based on it's art style. On a other note, game developer's need to take more risks instead of making the same type of game over and over again. Look at BioShock for example. Although it's a FPS, Irrational took a risk changing the FPS formula by adding more then just shooting people then go to the next level.
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Posted by gam3r88 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:38 PM

kinda makes me sad that i signed that online potition...i mean, yeah how can you whine abou that...
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Posted by PipChaos - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

The hypocrisy involved in berating people that don’t agree with the art style of Diablo III completely amazes me.

I see that a lot of the people screaming “whiners” and “how dare you second guess the developers” seem to think they stand on some moral high ground where they think they know best… the very thing they accuse the “whiners” of. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, no matter how uninformed, and I’ve yet to see anyone who isn’t fond of the new look belittle someone who does.

I fail to understand how it’s bad when people take the time to detail what concerns them about the new game. I’ve seen mockups done to the color scheme which are rather impressive, showing how a few scenes of the game could be made more ominous. I’ve seen people put a lot of thought and words into intelligent discussions on forums ranging into thousands of posts. What I didn’t see, anywhere, was an uninformed rant. That I had to see here.
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Posted by Al_Coholic - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:55 PM

Wind Waker kicked ass, nuff said.
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Posted by PipChaos - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:58 PM

I’ll know I’ll play Diablo III and enjoy it. Blizzard always makes a fun game. I also agree that technology has improved, and the game has to be brighter to show of the wondrous scenery all around. Machines are much more powerful now and you don’t have to hide the world in darkness because you lack the power to render it. However, when I read the critiques, I agree that the greenish look in the dungeons is rather annoying, and that the huge shoulder armor on the Barbarian should be left in Warcraft… where it came from.

I don’t think anyone believes Blizzard owes them anything, you’re way off on that remark. I just think a lot of people have been begging the company for a sequel for years now. If some of the loudest beggars aren’t happy about what they see, so what? Let them ask for change… it may have been their persistence that got the sequel made in the first place. What harm does it do for them to ask?
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Posted by pswii60owner29 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:00 PM

Thank you Sessler. This really bugs me about so many people, and it extends past already established franchises. I mean, games like Zelda/Diablo still get played because of their names, but newer franchises get shrugged off. LittleBigPlanet is the best example of this. You have no idea how many fellow friends have said "I'm not playing that! That's gay!"
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Posted by Al_Coholic - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:02 PM

^Then those friends will be missing out on one hell of a game.
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Posted by PipChaos - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:04 PM

Oh, and one other point. A few hundred people Adam? Try 55,000 the last time I googled the petition. It just saddens me that most people read a few news articles about some fans that supposedly don’t like the new game, and some stuff about a petition, and comments from Blizzard saying they’re too far along to make any changes. Then take an uninformed, often childish, attitude towards the whole affair.
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Posted by stilllife - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:05 PM

Diablo 2 is still one of my all time favorite games, and it is because of the atmosphere that the game created, the atmosphere of impending doom and danger that fit with the plot so perfectly.

That's also the reason that I never purchased WoW, because the graphics are so bright and happy that they never made me feel like the WoW universe is full of peril and evil, as the story suggests it is.

I have nothing against WoW, as I am sure it is a great game since so many people play and love it, but for those of us who want a game with a darker and more mature atmosphere I feel like Diablo 3 really isn't what I was hoping for. It would be nice if the franchise had stayed with graphics that retained the old atmosphere of D1 and D2.

I'm sure that D3 will be a great game, and I will get it, and surely enjoy it, but at the same time, I can say with confidence that I won't feel like this is THE sequel to Diablo 2, but more of a property tie-in.
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Posted by Druidblue - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:09 PM

Amen to every single point Adam.

The younger generations are jaded and whiny.

Blizzard has never released a sub-par game, the level of polish on each title blows the mind, and the notion that having some *gasp* color in the game will somehow ruin it is inane and close-minded.

You want the same look in Diablo 2? PLAY DIABLO 2. I mean, these are the same people who can't comprehend WoW's graphics- the same people who think they are "kiddy" graphics, and can't wrap their minds around the briliant art job that was done converting the Warcraft series into a living, breathing 3D world. No, these are the people who wanted a photorealistic WoW, which would have been the absolute most moronic thing ever in the history of gaming.

It simply comes down to a whole lot of moaning over no problem whatsoever. I'm glad I'm not from Blizzard- I'd be tearing into these idiots hard. Probably why I got out of development.
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Posted by TehKillWafflez - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:13 PM

I agree with Adam, but whatever. I loved Wind Waker's graphics. I loved the gampeplay. I loved everything about it. Ocarina of Time was still my favorite, but I thought it was fantastic all the same.

And anyways, I fail to see what's wrong/different with D3's graphics.
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Posted by Doomguy13 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:16 PM

I know everyone is typing long things. I'm not.

Adam Sessler is a genius. I 100% agree with him on this. You all are just afraid that a tad bit of change will ruin the whole game. Just like "The Sess" said, the thing that made Diablo good wasn't the colors or the shades, IT WAS THE GAMEPLAY.

It's Diablo 3. A sequel. That means IT'S DIFFERENT. If in sequels they kept it the same as the other, how can they make a BETTER game?
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Posted by SixWinged - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:25 PM

I remember looking around and didn't even realize people were having a fit until I learned there was a petition out to change the graphics back to the horrible 2D version stuff.
After looking around a bit more I also found an interview with the art director who explained why everything was the way it is now.

No light radius: the way the engine handles the 3D sources and such makes the light radius (like old) nigh impossible in certain dungeon areas (which is also why added light sources are prevalent.

Brighter Colors: so the emos could whine (just kidding). It was because with the new 3D models would be easier to tell apart (for managing combat. Unlike where the old 2D models stood out from each other, with 3D it doesn't as much by far)

Oh, and color isn't the enemy. It has to become spring and fall in that land sometime with the prime evils banished right? Besides, 80 hours of gray, white, and red would be boring.
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Posted by choral_music - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:28 PM

Adam - "[You think that] those people who are making it....are somehow beholden to YOU!"

That's right Adam. Blizzard makes games just for fun, not to sell to fans.
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Posted by mb24 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:29 PM

im not saying i despise change as mr sessler put it, but there are SOME things that should remain the same in a game series.

how would you fanboys of the world like to see a gears of war 3 set in a beatiful colorful loving world, rather than a dark gritty, bloody as f*%@ environment?

the point of it is that maybe we like the overall tone of the gothic diablo style, sorry we offended you sess, although i agree we havn't seen that much footage of the game. we can wait another two years until its released to judge it, but i will be damned if they get too much WoW in my diablo
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Posted by WildfireFox - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:39 PM

Doomguy13 - It's Diablo 3. A sequel. That means IT'S DIFFERENT. If in sequels they kept it the same as the other, how can they make a BETTER game?

The Halo games didn't really change, but apparently each one is better than the last. And it looks like it's going to be the same with Gears of War. The basic gameplay will be the same, but the environments will be changed.
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Posted by choral_music - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:40 PM

Oh, and to call Diablo fans proto-fascist Nazis merely because they enjoy the themes and atmospheres from the previous titles is not only grossly ridiculous, but also horribly ignorant.

Calm down Adam (and everyone else). Lord.
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Posted by SlapOSaurus - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:17 PM

I think Adam's rant is not completely based on the whole D3 subject and art of games, etc. I believe that many gamers are starting to get a little tired from the whining of all the various fanboys. I'll be honest, I was one of them and after watching this video, I realized just how annoying my kind are. I was moaning and whining after E3 after Final Fantasy XIII going to the 360 as well as the PS3 and how many crossplatform games are losing DLC on some consoles.

I can completely see where Adam is coming from that society as a whole is really not at its best and we all can enjoy the game and some of us can enjoy the game more if the fans stop whining and moaning.
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Posted by SlapOSaurus - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:22 PM

I think Adam's rant is not completely based on the whole D3 subject and art of games, etc. I believe that many gamers are starting to get a little tired from the whining of all the various fanboys. I'll be honest, I was one of them and after watching this video, I realized just how annoying my kind are. I was moaning and whining after E3 after Final Fantasy XIII going to the 360 as well as the PS3 and how many crossplatform games are losing DLC on some consoles.

I can completely see where Adam is coming from that society as a whole is really not at its best and we all can enjoy the game and some of us can enjoy the game more if the fans stop whining and moaning.
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Posted by walther84 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:35 PM

I admit, when it comes to games I love, a dramatic change in a sequel scares the crap out of me. But we all have to stop and realize that if it wasnt for innovation games would not be around today. Without innovation we wouldnt have any of the titles we love so much today.
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Posted by Deathrowe - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:27 PM

Better graphics Brighter colors to enhance better graphics New classes New interface - belts full of potions New skills New monsters New even more intense boss fights More new stuff = Diablo 3 FTW
You don't like it? Don't play it.
That's my opinion.
We've only seen 20 minutes of the game, so don't cry.. it's not like you've bought the game yet.

See you guys in Tristram!
:)

Besides..
You really wana wait another year or so for them to change the entire games color scheme because you don't know how to lower the brightness/contrast? Pshh, who knows maybe they'll add a cave or something with no lights at all then you can run around in the dark.
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Posted by Deathrowe - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:32 PM

And the only reason I'll be complaining about Diablo 3 is if I see rainbows and flowers when I step outside a dungeon or cave.

Last thing I'm gonna say is if it's that much of a problem, to the point where someone takes the time to make a petition or sign it, then GO PLAY DIABLO 2 while all the non-QQers have fun with the new and improved.
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Posted by mercisan - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:38 PM

@Al_coholic
Damn right it did! I feel like playing it again.
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Posted by galvan - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:02 PM

first off any one who hasnt played d1 and d2 really dont have any word in this.....why do you even care...

i really dont have a propblem with the different art style....

quite holding on to the golden age....like he said its there property and they could do what ever they want....and you poeple that have a propblem wiht it have any suggestions about what need to change and how it sould look then go work at blizzard you idiots a bunch of wieners..... so some of the games you love are pritty much abunch of sequals so the change they made was bad or a great thing thats what they trying to do.....

i mean if it looked like d2 would you have cryed about it wait you would have then you would have said why does it look the same...
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Posted by JonneeJ - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:31 PM

Yes this time fans have crossed the line. Actually...... don't they have, why? Because anyone that played Diablo II has seen already SEVERAL outside brightly lit enviroments. There is a whole desert stage that is nothing but sand and sun. So i think that there were a couple dudes that wanted to screw around and put out this BS crap about people complaining about the lighting.

Seriously, the only answer to this statement was to install Diablo II, find the ultra-mega god code, then the skip stage code, and run around all over the several brightly lit stages taking pics and posting them. That's it, that's all that needed to be done. This whole video should be a slideshow of these pics.

And that Zelda example he used doesn't work because the people were shown several pics of adult Link and then all of a sudden we got this kid cell shaded stuff. I'm sorry but there was a reason to be slightly pi$$ed about that.
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Posted by Intranquill - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:40 PM

The same is happening with Banjo. Nintendo babies are crying out in rage that it has vehicles. BOOHOO

and galvan...you're wrong. Just because someone didn't play D1 or 2, doesn't mean they can't complain about the art style of 3. They could have seen screens, or just simply don't like the art direction period.
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Posted by bholt13 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:18 PM

great video. adam hit it spot on for the most part. i do believe that a game co. has to answer to the gamers in game making because if they didnt where would they make money?but a few hundred fanboys who are jst looking to complain about something in a new game who really cares, the other pple complaining about it. and ive probably said about 50 times now about the change in graphics. and u kno that at least 2/3 of these guys complaining are gonna be buying d3 and with my luck all of u guys are gonna be on my server griping for days until u realize that its probly gonna be a great game.
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Posted by pgerv12 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:20 PM

I have to agree with a lot of you. If you want a better sequel you have to change. ex. Halo 1,2,3 Elder scrolls 1,2,3,4, 5...yes its true once they are finished with Fallout 3.

And this one always gets me, the Final Fantasy series. Every time a FF game is released its pushing the technology to the max maybe not crisis core but eh. FFVII will never end, haha.

As time goes by so does technology. Blizzard is always thinking of players.
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Posted by 7ArchEnemy - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:22 PM

::applause::

Well said. There is a need for change in quite a lot of what we do. Our hobbies reflect us as a whole. That said, the greedy fan base fails to realize that they are LAST on the list to please. Why? Because Blizzard knows they will buy it the moment it comes out. How many years since DII? Lets not get into that...
DIII will sweep up old fans while developing new ones from those who actually seek and embrace change. Blizzard does not disappoint, so I'll be picking up a copy.
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Posted by sinner_mass - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:23 PM

looks like a dungeon crawler to me, isnt that what diablo is supposed to be. whats the big deal?
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Posted by bholt13 - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:36 PM

@sinner_mass: thats the problem their isnt really any big deal at all. its really jst a matter of pple griping for no reason because they feel its a bit to bright.
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Posted by galvan - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:51 PM

@Intranquill

you probly wouldnt even play it since d1 or d2 didnt catch your eyes....

so since ive never played a MGS game does that give a rite to talk bad about it????

your such an idiot...

or if i would have never played gears of war doest it give me the rite to talk about something i practically know nothin about???

i am a hardcore diablo player....u have no buisness talkin about this... and i beat the story will b great for d3 and d4 and the visuals.....
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Posted by galvan - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:53 PM

@Intranquill

you probly wouldnt even play it since d1 or d2 didnt catch your eyes....

so since ive never played a MGS game does that give a rite to talk bad about it????

your such an idiot...

or if i would have never played gears of war doest it give me the rite to talk about something i practically know nothin about???

i am a hardcore diablo player....u have no buisness talkin about this... and i beat the story will b great for d3 and d4 and the visuals.....
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Posted by SimpthePimp2 - Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:37 AM

awsome!
I think D3 is going to rock! I think the new art is taking the game forward....its not taking it in a new direction...it just looks better...IMO.
Sessler keep on your soap box!!!
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Posted by droop4 - Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:47 AM

Thank you sessler!
you know i rarely agree with him but know i do he is so right so spot on!
Especially when it takes the matter into serious business like this and the REAL problems in society. Stupid geeks too deep in their fantasy world! haha
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Posted by xyzobon - Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:21 AM

The Great Sess, as always, is right on.
Pioneering a new future for all gamers.
Not afraid to see ahead.

By the way, GREAT COLORS behind the King of Soapboxing!
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Posted by PipChaos - Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:46 AM

"how would you fanboys of the world like to see a gears of war 3 set in a beatiful colorful loving world, rather than a dark gritty, bloody as f*%@ environment?"

I'd laugh my butt off. That would be the best thing ever. Then I'd get to witness hundreds of thousands of Gear gamers "whine". I'd just think "serves you all right for making a mediocre game so prominent". Then I'd go back to playing Okami... the game everyone ignored, content in my belief most gamers are hypnotized sheep, that believe everything their told, and love to be led around by something shiny.
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Posted by 2handedmonk - Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:59 AM

I decided to register for this.

I must say, I agree with Sessler about the 'flaming fanboys' (which is actually a double burn when you remember we are talking about style) 98%. Who cares what it looks like as long as the game play is solid. But that doesn't apply to all games. Sessler, you mentioned Wind Waker in support of your arguement, and while I agree with you, I feel I need to warn that not all games can fall into this category.

Think of Final Fantasy Tactics. Truly outstanding gameplay, art style, and above else story. An adult story to go along with the a more grim an down-to-earth art style. But then Tactics Advance came out. All the attractive grittiness was gone, and with it, the adult and awesome storyline. It was replaced by colorful graphics, which isn't bad by itself, but the story seemed forced to conform with the kiddie style. We went from a civil war with more than an air of Shakespere about it (Hamlet to be particular), to a 9 o'clock saturday cartoon special.
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Posted by Marcus_Mortensen - Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:15 AM

Yeah, I was a bit skeptical about the Wind Waker when it was first coming out, but it turned out to be one of my favorite games of all time.
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Posted by btherrien - Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:17 AM

The game looks great and I'm sure the game play will be spot on.
Sure outside looks bright and colorful... but so what. I was playing D2 the other day and every level is like that. or more so!
Act I and II are all bright and then it gets grittier as you go along, and thats what you can expect from D3.

If you are complaining already about this game that you've never played for yourself yet you shouldn't play it at all.

As for me... I'll be playing countless hours and enjoying the awesome game I'm expecting this to be.
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Posted by Ieyke - Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:34 AM

It's moronic and fantastic how at least 2/3s of the people siding with Sessler have no idea what they're talking about. Adam himself only has a half valid rant going and the remaining 1/3 of the people siding with him have a valid point of view that actually DOESN'T negate the anti-D3 art stance at all.

Congrats Adam & Co. your counter is winning in numbers but failing in validity.


Also, Okami=EPIC WIN!
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Posted by face0324 - Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:48 AM

you know whats stupid about all of this, everybodys complaining now but when the game finally comes out your all gonna buy and enjoy it so stfu and quit b!tchin
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Posted by odro - Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:15 AM

To all those people who say that Blizzard beholden to us because we are the consumer, well they're not. Blizzard owns and operates one of the most successful MMO's out there. They make crap loads of money so they don't have to care about the few fanboys who will buy Diablo 3 anyway no matter how much they complain.

With D3 Blizzard wants to appeal to the gamers who want something different. The market is already filled with sequel-clones and putting in a sequel requires that they change something or the only people that would buy it would be the fanboys.

Blizzard made the right choice, stop complaining.
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Posted by robev - Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:24 AM

I think the Link portrayed in windwaker is my favorite of the series, but the game is certainly not. I liked the swordplay and the look, but I hated the sailing, and the triforce shard quest.

And I don't care about Diablo, so that's all I have to say on this.
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Posted by BONERJAM - Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:22 AM

I agree with Adam, alot of gamers have turned in whinning little beotchs.
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Posted by cryfordawn - Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:29 AM

I agree with Adam, if you dont like it DONT BUY IT! No one is forcing you to buy that game. I myself didnt buy Zelda windwalker because I hate the cell shaded games. The new prince of persia that is coming out (cell shaded) NOT going to buy it. Its my choice, if you dont like it DONT BUY IT!

END OF LINE!
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Posted by 4204life - Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:18 AM

Alright adam dude totally agree with you. all the flamers that are posting in here ive played the diablo series since i was 12 im not 20. you guys probably dont even know what a ith sword is so stop QQing im a huge fan of diablo but adam nailed this betch right on the head. "its about the gameplay" im a hard core d fan and i like the way it turned out. btw i just made this account to put u nerds in your place. adam i really never liked your stuff never watched tomuch g4 besides code monkey but i guess your not a bad guy after all :D.
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Posted by 4204life - Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:24 AM

oh yea i ment now* 20 but yea also adam if you could tell me or any 1 els what is that wicked version of asteroids or whatever o.O? the game you have going in the top left. looks bad ass.
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Posted by lordofdarkflames - Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:05 PM

i for one like changes in my franchises im one of the few people who didnt have an heart attack when they revealed wind waker and announced ff12 will have a new fight system oh well hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned
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Posted by lordofdarkflames - Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:08 PM

@vraptor x the reason why adam and every other person complained about the new mood in pop warrior with in is because it was completly unnecessary and at least they wiaed to play the full game
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Posted by lordofdarkflames - Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:12 PM

wow it seems this soapbox has pissed alot of gamers who think they know everything off
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Posted by BELROCK86 - Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:26 PM

All the stupid gamers who are complaining about how different Diablo 3 looks are the same gamers that will be the first ones in line to get the game. Change is a good thing in gaming maybe it doesn't always work but it brings originality to games that are getiing old and becoming boring. The new Prince of Persia is a perfect example of an old franchise getting a great new look. I think Blizzard knows what they are doing after all they only have some of the best selling games in history. So to all of you complaining gamers shut up and go back to playing the World of Warcraft.
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Posted by soujabooy - Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:13 PM

IM not really into Diablo but the game looks good to me.
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Posted by thel3g3ndkillr - Friday, August 15, 2008 12:24 AM

i dont care what people say diablo 3 looks good and i think it is going to be better than diablo 2. i am a diablo fan and yea its a change in graphics but the gameplay is going to be like the diablo you know and love, and for all those who dont like the change just dont buy the game and stop wasting our time OK!
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Posted by soulwound - Friday, August 15, 2008 6:25 AM

attn fanboys: if you have a problem with how blizz is doing it then you're not really fans. go play hellgate london, while it's servers are still up
http://www.penny-arcade.com/ comic/2008/8/6/
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Posted by HedgehogEmoness - Friday, August 15, 2008 9:15 AM

OMG I loooooooooove this soapbox. Adam you are so right about this whole thing. Zelda is a good example, and when they changed starfox people were in an uproar. People need to be more open minded. I mean really, do people want to play the same game over and over and over again? I know I don't.

p.s: That whole thing when Adam said "Whos best friend is a fairy!" I was LMAO!!
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Posted by thel3g3ndkillr - Friday, August 15, 2008 5:17 PM

everybody who commented on this video is absolutlly right the game does look good i m going to buy it and rub its better graphiced gameing in your face
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Posted by PipChaos - Friday, August 15, 2008 8:46 PM

Reading all of these posts makes me feel very good about defending the Diablo "Flaming Fanboys". Every post in their defense is well worded and insightful.

Every post supporting Adam, just like the original rant, needs to learn how to throw a freaking comma and period in a sentence now and then.

If you can't take the time to do that, you obviously can't be bothered to learn what the hell it is you're talking about.
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Posted by FoShizzle93 - Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:06 AM

look, guys, everyone has the right to their opinion (doesnt mean they SHOULD... :) just kidding)and as far as new games go, how about everyone just simmers down and waits until it actually comes out before they start complaining/praising it, because in the end, we can guess about a game all day long, but it wont make any difference whatsoever if the GAME ISN'T EVEN OUT YET! (and even then saying one thing or another about the game still probably wont affect anything too terribly)i think thats basically what sess was tryin to get across but he just didnt word it right.
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Posted by FoShizzle93 - Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:07 AM

bottom line, we as gamers should have open minds. in the past theres been several games and franchises who went in a totally new direction, taking risks. sometimes it paid off, sometimes it didnt. we should give games the benefit of the doubt, just like people. you give people the benmefit of the doubt because you yourself would like to be treated the same, right? and if not, maybe you should consider how you would feel if everyone was constantly suspicious about you 24/7. its the golden rule, people.
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Posted by FoShizzle93 - Sunday, August 17, 2008 7:13 AM

sorry abouth the long windedness guys. thisll be my last post.

my point is, give the new diablo a chance before you condemn it, especially since none of us are form blizz and none of our complaining can change a damn thing. im not trying to be mean or a jackass or whatever, im just stating my opinion, one that i feel makes good sense.

alos, windwaker=one of the best in the zelda series, right up there with TP, OoT, and of course, the best ones of all, the original legend of zelda. (just awesome games. period)
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Posted by Coltage - Monday, August 18, 2008 5:51 PM

From what I've seen so far, Diablo III doesn't seem to be a huge departure from the previous games. It looks like a Diablo game. The art I've seen so far is gorgeous.
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Posted by KiliStickyG - Monday, August 18, 2008 7:28 PM

I am one of the 50,000 signatures for the Diablo 3 petition and i can say that I only signed it once. Now I know that there are people who whine and moan about how if blizzard doesn't change the art direction to what they want then they will boycott, but I am not one of those people.
I signed the petition because I agreed with most of the mission statement. The changes that I would like to happen are: the dungeons should be darker (not less color), more realistic looking armor (no shoulderpads the height of your head), lose the heavy influence of WoW and bring back the old inventory system not a ripped inventory system from WoW.
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Posted by KiliStickyG - Monday, August 18, 2008 7:29 PM

Now among my complaints, I love the outside environment for it being an early act, I love the monsters (especially the siege monster), the skills and the character/monster animation.
I signed the petition because i wanted to provide vital constructive criticism that Blizzard always looks for not to offer an ultimatum. Whither or not Blizzard changes the art direction (which they already said that they won't) I will buy the game. I trust that Blizzard will do what they think is best for the fans.
This is just one fanboy's position on the other side of the line.
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Posted by DBethel - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:46 PM

I think the best recent example of the hair-trigger judgment that Adam's talking about is the original vitriol over Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker in the Dark Knight and the sickeningly ironic, fanatical support they've given his performance since the film's release.
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Posted by RP_Puzzle - Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:40 PM

Lol nice though I think the sequel to Windwaker was funner than Windwaker.

I can't wait for D3 to come out it looks awesome! Was a big fan back in the day and change could probably make it less repetitive so the changes are a plus to me.
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Posted by ZeroKadaver - Thursday, August 21, 2008 8:09 PM

I'm pretty sure Blizzard knows what its doing, I'm glad that the game is coming out. I could never get past the butcher in D1 and only played D2 at a friends house but it was badass.

I also support Wind Waker, it had the most expansive world in a zelda game to date, Twilight Princess was a bit short.

@KiliStickyG: I haven't been hounding for Diablo 3 info but I'm pretty sure all inventory systems look the same, especially when their made by the same developer.
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Posted by MorganL4 - Friday, August 29, 2008 3:15 PM

Its not that the game looks bad

it doesnt

my gripe is simply that the artisic style is almost idenical to Warcraft 3

Adam is right the game play was is and always will be the major aspect of a games enjoyment factor, however Diablo fans liked them because of the game play but loved the games largely because of the storyline & the dark gothic style, we dont really know much about the storyline but the style is much too cartoonish for us, thats all we are saying, and my necromancer never made freinds with a fairy, so that point is mute.
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Posted by Newspaperr - Monday, September 1, 2008 7:26 PM

Only problem I have is that there isn't a potion system, skill system i like though, now only if it was F1 to use it! damn.... and 1-5 was potions... damn! Oh well! Not my property just how Sessler said.
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Posted by DarkKatarnII - Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:27 PM

he is right, i could use windwaker as well but ill stick to a more recent one. when MK vs DC was announced and the first video came out everyone was whining about it, already talking about boycots, and dissing ed boon and complaining because at first it was hinted that there were no fatalities. obiously there is now but still you gets the point. another example is a non gaming one which was the new Batman series. to this day people still diss the joker's new look and say they need to bring back the one from TAS. same with ledger people dissed him before they saw him in action and before his death, when he was revealed during the trailers he was loved by all. so as far a diablo goes, theyll bitch about the look and/or other stuff but when it comes out theyll love it and end up playing it for hours.
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Posted by kkdragonlord - Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:58 AM

Well Sessler must be glad with himself that he got easy credits for bashing on fanboys with loads of "well thought and well placed arguments that truly invalidate their claims and gets to the core of the issue with an unbiased view and a thorough analysis".

Basically all he said was "Hey fanboys! its their game and they will do with it whatever the hell they want! STFU just dont play it and dont complain, ever..."

Its a worthwhile discussion that Sessler wasted by turning it into a simple point of view battle without any reasonable argument.
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Posted by MorganL4 - Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:58 AM

here is the short sweet truth, Blizzard North closed its doors in 2005, as such the artists of D1 and D2 are no longer with the company, so we have a bunch of people that have been working on WOW for the past 5 years that are suddenly supposed to change everything they know to make a new game, im not happy with the new art direction, not at all. However I understand that there is nothing I or anyone else can say or do to change it. so thats that,

BTW guys, alot of us Diablo fanboys are fanboys because Diablo or diablo2 made us into hardcore gammers, and when you mess with somthing that important to a hardcore gammer this is the result.... and thats that.
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Posted by larzjudith - Friday, December 5, 2008 9:55 AM

I know this is a bit old, so I don't know if you or anyone else will read this, but I just saw it, and wanted to thank you. Thank you for pointing out the sheer narcissism fanboys have when it comes to "their" games. It couldn't have been said any better. This is truly a sad community that has grown since these people could converse over the internet, and BE HEARD, while opposing fanboys could join in and the pointless banter would continue for all time.

I hope developers take these comments lightly, and carry on with the piece they intend to create. The sheer idea these people think they know more about creating a game than the owner and creator makes me sick. Fanboys are pathetic, pure and simple.

Thanks again.
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Posted by larzjudith - Friday, December 5, 2008 10:44 AM

I know this is a bit old, so I don't know if you or anyone else will read this, but I just saw it, and wanted to thank you. Thank you for pointing out the sheer narcissism fanboys have when it comes to "their" games. It couldn't have been said any better. This is truly a sad community that has grown since these people could converse over the internet, and BE HEARD, while opposing fanboys could join in and the pointless banter would continue for all time.

I hope developers take these comments lightly, and carry on with the piece they intend to create. The sheer idea these people think they know more about creating a game than the owner and creator makes me sick. Fanboys are pathetic, pure and simple.

Thanks again.
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Posted by larzjudith - Friday, December 5, 2008 10:47 AM

I know this is a bit old, so I don't know if you or anyone else will read this, but I just saw it, and wanted to thank you. Thank you for pointing out the sheer narcissism fanboys have when it comes to "their" games. It couldn't have been said any better. This is truly a sad community that has grown since these people could converse over the internet, and BE HEARD, while opposing fanboys could join in and the pointless banter would continue for all time.

I hope developers take these comments lightly, and carry on with the piece they intend to create. The sheer idea these people think they know more about creating a game than the owner and creator makes me sick. Fanboys are pathetic, pure and simple.

Thanks again.
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Posted by Leoofmoon - Sunday, January 4, 2009 11:14 AM

i agree with you man case fan boys really freakout when you shater there seansative lifes of gameing i mean when i playd Obliveon i loved it and then i hurd thay where helping in fallout 3 witch i really liked eaven when i got a copy of it the onley thing i dont like is how you cant level by practicing skills...ok enuf fan boy moment really fan boys are like some yaping dogs thay yap yap and yap tell thay get what thay want the the sooner we can tune them out we get better stuff just like what Diablo 3 is doing and really if you think about it chang is good at times like the halo games sure 2 wasent much of a chang but 3 was good and really if it sucks email them when ya play it and thay mite fix it!
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Posted by Exosus - Monday, April 20, 2009 12:06 AM

What was the game in the background on the left? That game looks awesome but I've never seen it before . . .
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