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The Girl Who Will Change The Internet?

Posted by Jonathan Hunt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:00 AM

Recently, we at TheFeed were asked to cease using aliases and write our posts under our given names. After a few minutes of raucous ballyhoo and appeals to the powers-that-be, the writers of TheFeed resigned ourselves to saying goodbye to our much-beloved internet anonymity.

Soon, you may know our pain. While some would argue that this crazy virtual world of teh Internetz depends on anonymity, we all may soon find out what the 'nets will be like if everyone was suddenly held accountable for their words and virtual actions.

On May 15th, a Missouri woman was indicted on three charges of lying about who she was... to MySpace. The story leading to the accusations is long and twisted, and it begins with the death of a 13 year-old girl named Megan Meier—the girl who may change the internet forever.



THE GIRL WHO MAY CHANGE EVERYTHING

Megan Meier grew up in Dardenne Prarie Missouri, a small suburb of St. Louis. Her parents describe Megan as a "bubbly, goofy" girl, who liked swimming, boating, and fishing. She was a member of her 7th Grade Volleyball Team at Fort Zumwalt West Middle School in nearby O'Fallon, Missouri.

From early in her childhood, Megan suffered from psychological issues. She was diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder and Depression. In the 3rd Grade, she contemplated suicide and had been seeing a therapist ever since. She considered herself overweight and had a contentious on-again-off-again friendship with a girl down the street.

Megan's parents, just in time for her 8th Grade Year, decided to transfer Megan from Fort Zumwalt to Immaculate Conception, a private school in Dardenne Prairie, in an effort to provide a more understanding and comfortable atmosphere for Megan.

As summer turned to fall in 2006, life seemed to be improving for Megan. Her depression appeared to be lifting, she had shed 20 pounds and school seemed to be going well. Since she appeared to be doing so much better, Megan's mother allowed her to open a MySpace account, an account Megan's parents would closely and rigorously monitor. Megan was actually not given the password to the account; only her parents had the ability to log in for her.

When Megan met Josh Evans in September of 2006, she didn't think things could get much better.

A TIMELINE

September 2006:

"Josh Evans", a 16 year-old boy, claims to have recently moved to nearby O'Fallon, Missouri and befriends Megan over MySpace. Megan is thrilled and comments to her mother repeatedly on how "hot" she thinks he is. Megan's mother allows the online friendship to continue under her supervision.

Megan's mother, Tina, would later say, "Megan had a lifelong struggle with weight and self-esteem [...] And now she finally had a boy who she thought really thought she was pretty."

Megan remarks that she thinks it's odd that "Josh" never asks for her phone number and when she asks for his, he says that he doesn't have a cell phone and they have not installed a land line yet.

October 15th, 2006:

"Josh Evans" breaks off the friendship via MySpace message by stating, "I don't know if I want to be friends with you anymore because I've heard that you are not very nice to your friends."

Megan's immediate response to "Josh" is, "What are you talking about?"

"Josh Evans" did not respond that night.

October 16th, 2006:

At school, Megan hands out invitations for her upcoming 14th birthday party. She returns home asks her mother if she can log into MySpace and check to see if "Josh" has responded. Tina, in a hurry to get Megan's younger sister to the orthodontist, logs in for Megan and prepares to leave.

"Evans" has responded with more upsetting messages. Tina, on her way out the door, tells Megan to log off. Megan promises that she will, saying, "Let me finish up."

Tina calls Megan from the orthodontist office to make sure that Megan has signed off. At this point, Megan is in tears, telling her mother, "They are all being so mean to me."

At this point, "Josh Evans" had been sharing private messages with some of Megan's other friends. Some friends joined in the cruel messages, making bulletins that would go out to everyone on their friends list with subject lines like, "Megan Meier is a slut" or "Megan Meier is fat."

Tina arrives home and finds Megan still at the computer. Tina gets Megan to stand up away from the computer and Tina reads the vulgar language her daughter had been using to respond the cruel attacks. She tells Megan, "I am so aggravated at you for doing this!"

As Megan leaves the room and heads upstairs for her bedroom, she yells at her mother, "You’re supposed to be my mom! You’re supposed to be on my side!"

Megan bumps into her father on the stairs, where she tells him what people had been saying about her over MySpace. He comforts her and tells her that it would be okay and that these people obviously don’t know her.

Twenty minutes later, Megan's parents enter her bedroom to find that Megan has hanged herself with a belt from her closet.

They immediately pull her down and her father attempts CPR while Tina calls for an ambulance.

October 17th, 2006:

Megan dies at the hospital. She is three weeks from turning 14.

Megan's father logs into his daughter's MySpace to read some the mean spirited messages for himself. The final message sent from Josh reads, "Everybody in O'Fallon knows who you are. You are a bad person and everybody hates you. Have a shitty rest of your life. The world would be a better place without you."

AFTERMATH

Naturally, Ron and Tina Meier attempt to contact "Josh Evans". By the next day, his MySpace account has been deleted. Later on that day, the Meiers travel down the street to visit the girl who had once been Megan's friend to comfort her and let her know that, despite the arguments the two girls sometimes had, Megan valued her friendship.

The girls' parents, Lori and Curt Drew, ask the Meiers to store a foosball table (a Christmas gift for one of the Drew children) in their garage. The Meiers agree.

Six weeks after the death of their daughter, they were called into their counselor's office in O'Fallon by a neighbor that they did not know very well. The story they were told when they arrived would be nearly unfathomable.

"Josh Evans" did not exist. The boy the Meiers felt was largely responsible for what happened to Megan was an invention. He was created by a woman in their neighborhood. A woman on their street. A woman named Lori Drew.

That’s right. The woman who was mother to Megan's on-again-off-again friend, the woman who had asked Ron and Tina to store a foosball table for them, was the creator and mastermind behind the non-existent "Josh Evans". Apparently, the character of "Josh Evans" had been created as a way for Lori to determine what bad things Megan might have been saying about her daughter.

The neighbor claimed to have discovered all this from her own daughter, who had "joined in on the joke." She even claims that on the night Megan died, while the ambulance was still at the Meier's, her daughter received a phone call from Lori Drew saying that something had happened to Megan and that it would be best not to mention the fake MySpace account.

Upon returning home from the meeting, the Meier’s took to the foosball table in their garage with an axe and a sledgehammer. They dumped the obliterated remains into a box and dropped it off on the driveway of the Drew’s with the message, "Merry Christmas" written on the side.

The story remained out of the media for over a year, as the FBI and County officials tried determine if there were grounds for a criminal case.

Steve Pokin of the St. Charles County Examiner published a story on Sunday, November 11, 2007 about the events surrounding the suicide of Megan Meier. The article stopped short of naming Lori Drew as the creator of the account, but the story caught like wildfire over the Internet. Bloggers the country over expressed outrage that nothing had been done for over a year to help Megan find "justice".

Based on the details of the story, it did not take long for the blogging community to find the name of Lori Drew. Within hours she was the focal point of the internet's hatred, blaming her for the death of the 13 year-old girl from Dardenne Prairie.

On December 3, 2007, St. Charles County, Missouri prosecutor Jack Banas revealed that he had reviewed the laws related to stalking, harassment, and child endangerment and couldn't find statutes allowing him to file charges against Lori Drew or anyone involved.

At this point, the outrage grew, hitting mainstream media outlets, such as CNN and ABC News.

Then, on May 15th, 2008, Lori Drew was indicted on Federal charges for her role in the MySpace hoax. She is charged with one count of Conspiracy and 3 counts of Accessing Protected Computers Without Authorization.

TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES

This is where the story starts to affect us, the good people of The Internets, who thrive on offering up our unsolicited and often unwanted opinions on the general populace through a smoke screen of technology and anonymity. What does it mean for us if this woman, Lori Drew, is found guilty on all charges? She's been charged with "Accessing Protected Computers Without Authorization". The computers in question are the MySpace servers. She's being charged with lying to MySpace about her identity.

How many of you have lied about who you are online? How many have fudged the numbers on how old you are? Be honest, your MySpace profile says your 103 years-old, doesn't it? How about creating fake email addresses so you have a place to direct annoying SPAM emails you’d be otherwise inundated with should you be forced to cough up your genuine email domain? Imagine that each time you lied to a computer, you committed a felony.

Before we move much further on this issue, let's be clear about something. If Lori Drew is guilty of what she is accused of doing with the "Josh Evans" account, there is no defense for her actions. There is flat out no excuse for a grown woman to behave in such a manner toward a 13 year-old child. Should there be some sort of protection set up for people like Megan? Sure, but currently we really don't have anything in our legal system. What happened to Megan is a genuine tragedy that has touched a vast number of people out there, this contributor being one of them. Are we clear on this issue? Good. Now, let’s continue…

PRECEDENT COULD BE TEH SUXX0RZ

The precedent that could be created upon a conviction of Lori Drew is a scary one. Suddenly, people could find themselves accountable for anything they said on the Internet. Larger than that, what would happen to the practice of "screen names"? If lying about who you are on the Internet became a crime, would websites do away with screen names entirely?

We think not. Instead, websites would probably require verification of your identity and then they would tie that info to the screen name of your choosing. Of course, this information would be, theoretically, confidential. Still, many people don't want anyone to know who they really are online. The paranoia of identity in the online world comes from many sources.

Some people are terrified of "Identity Theft", convinced that if any online website has any sort of genuine information on them, they are at risk of financial ruin. Other people fear the dreaded "Online Predator", brought into the spotlight with segments like "To Catch a Predator" on Dateline NBC. Others simply want to keep their online and real identities completely separate.

Whether these fears are justified or magnified by media interested, what happens to people when they can no longer lie about who they are online?

Now, remember when I asked you earlier to think about every time you've ever lied about yourself on the Internet? And think about each of those times being a felony? Well, now what do you think about the charges against Lori Drew? Are you prepared to stop lying online? Are you prepared to give up the precious anonymity the World Wide Web provides each of its children? Are you willing to risk jail and losing the right to vote just to avoid some SPAM or not letting strangers know who you really are?

These aren't only rhetorical questions, either; they'll have hard and fast answers in a matter of months, depending on the outcome of the Megan Meier case.

Our judicial system is based primarily on precedent. Determining what is the proper legal course of action usually comes down to how it has been before. The Internet in its current form has only been around for approximately 15 years. Precedent and jurisdiction for online "crimes" is still being formed. On top of that, we're still trying to determine what all constitutes a cyber-crime.

The fact the Lori Drew was brought up on charges stemming from her lying to MySpace shows that authorities couldn't find any charges that would apply that directly reflect her behavior toward Megan Meier. What would they charge her with? Being mean? As despicable as it may be, it's not illegal to be jerk. Even to a kid.

So the Federal authorities, under immense pressure to find something to charge Lori Drew with, decided on three counts of Accessing Protected Computers Without Authorization and one count of Conspiracy. The indictments were handed down in Los Angeles, California where MySpace (the "victim" computers) is based.

Ironically, much of the public outrage that created the pressure on Federal authorities to call in the Grand Jury came from online sources. It was the online community that exposed Lori Drew as the woman behind the MySpace hoax. It was the online community that raised their voices in protest, calling the lack of criminal charges against Mrs. Drew a "miscarriage of justice." However, it is this same community who may lose one of the things they love most about the virtual world.

Well, where do we go from here? Sadly, there does not appear to be much chance of any criminal charges being filed in relation to the actions taken against Megan Meier which, pretty undeniably, led to her suicide. Sure, the indictments handed down might be the only charges that can, in a bizarre and what some might call backwards way of reading the law, be filed against Lori Drew, might it be best to instead focus on keeping this sort of thing from happening again rather than try and achieve some sort of retribution?

Believe me, my heart and soul goes out to Ron and Tina Meier. The death of one's child is greatest loss one could experience. It seems to contradict the very essence of life and nature. As despicable as Lori Drew's actions are, the effort being made to send her to prison (even if just for few weeks) is creating a fog, keeping us from truly learning from this experience and growing stronger from it.

I do not think anything can be done to bring "justice" for Megan Meier. I fear that she is destined to join a list of countless others who sadly fell victim before the system was in place to help them.

We, as a community have two ways we can handle this. We can stay where we are: Angry, outraged, and obsessed with finding "justice" in the forms of questionable charges and means of retribution. Or we can look forward, and try to find meaning in the tragedy.

Of course, as soon as the word regulation comes into an argument, it becomes a very sticky situation. Sure, we do not want to limit our freedom of speech in any way, but we still must find methods for people to be responsible for their actions. The First Amendment protects your right to say what you will, but it does not free you of responsibility for what you say. It is this fundamental reason why it's illegal to yell "Fire" in a theater. That's why it is illegal to say "Kill the President!"

While we can never outlaw being an a**hole, we can regulate the behavior between adults and minors. We have precedent for that. It's against the law to even engage in sexually explicit dialogue with a minor in certain circumstances. A 13 year old child is not legally responsible for their actions in regards to violence and sexuality according to our legal system. Thus, shouldn't that extend to violence against themselves. If an adult told a child to go out and kill someone and they did, that adult would be charged in a heart beat. What if that adult told the child to kill themselves?

We're at a point where we need to have a system of order for the online world. The Internet is a different animal than the real world. We cannot expect laws to be as fitting there and they are outside of the virtual. But we have to be careful. The easy way through this is to outlaw all the things we don't like about the Internet, which some people have obviously tried to do. But hard and fast regulation isn't the answer either. We have to be delicate, as delicate as our founding fathers were when drafting the laws that we now find sadly inadequate for the new, online world of information.




Comment(s)

Posted by Money77 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:34 AM

What an awesome article. Thank you Jonathan. (If that is your real name)

Posted by CanadianKris - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:37 AM

Hmm... well this could really be interesting. Kind of a double edged sword. On one hand we do need to protect our youth from such online bullying. On the other hand we do need to protect our own identities from theft. Let the cultural revolution begin...

Posted by loco91 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:40 AM

whoa, thats deep

Posted by demi_flames - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:41 AM

Damn. Just damn.

Posted by laryri - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:42 AM

Wow.

Posted by rrockshow182 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:44 AM

agreed. i actually live in waterford crossing, wich is the neighborhood in which these families live. i know them both personally. you cannot imagine the amount of hatred torwards this woman. sinc i live 3 houses down from them ive witnessed firsthand all of these events. if you ever need any updates on the situation just shoot me a message.(and im actually being honest about my identity.)

Posted by TrikYodz - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:51 AM

I live in the same county in Missouri and my place of work's business was directly effected by this. And we lost business because our work was a client of the advertising agency the mom, who was the impostor, ran. so because of her we got punished. Thankfully it got all better.
Making the world lose their anonymity would, if anything make things worse. And they dont understand, like the press publicized that my job was associated with that lady made everyone think we were evil too. So all in all Theyre doing more harm than good, but they dont realize it.

Posted by Brutus221 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:52 AM

wow...

that's the only word I have for that.

Hopefully if the criminal system fails in this case, the civil system will find a form of justice in the form of a wrongful death suit.

Posted by TrikYodz - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:53 AM

yeah Shaw! can you beleive all the bricks that went through the window?

Posted by rrockshow182 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:54 AM

yeah its nuts man

Posted by yoshiarecool - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:54 AM

Superb article John. Pulitzer Prize superb

Posted by Matt2 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:57 AM

woah... damn, im at a loss for words, this is something to think about...

Posted by yoshiarecool - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:58 AM

There will always be dickwads on the internet, no matter what happens. Its what happens when a large group of people are given complete anonymity. But we must also remember that the internet is the greatest form of the first amendment; to bad some take advantage of it

Posted by mithos90 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:01 AM

Looking at this, will this affect Online Game play from consoles to PC. Games like WoW to Halo. This is crazy if the government changed it to where we have to give our actual identity. Web sites I dont see it as a problem but when u go to play a game someone with a high pitched voice will get bullied obviously. As of games based on screen names which MMO's use, people use that has a way to get away from their real life and this will sorta ruined it for them. But then this can happen no mater where you are on the web and its pretty sick.

Posted by mithos90 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:08 AM

Looking at this, will this affect Online Game play from consoles to PC. Games like WoW to Halo. This is crazy if the government changed it to where we have to give our actual identity. Web sites I dont see it as a problem but when u go to play a game someone with a high pitched voice will get bullied obviously. As of games based on screen names which MMO's use, people use that has a way to get away from their real life and this will sorta ruined it for them. But then this can happen no mater where you are on the web and its pretty sick.

Posted by renemSRS - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:13 AM

wow...words can't rly describe this tragedy...

Posted by VergilSnake - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:21 AM

Damn dude....wow...

Posted by jandowae - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:34 AM

Thats to bad what happened to the girl... but this will have no implication on the first amendment.

Posted by amazingjakeo - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:36 AM

dude that sh*# is whack. but seriosly guys we only get one chance in this world. after that we are gone. we should not be fighting and killing. just live life to its fullest.

Posted by gravy666 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:37 AM

Wow...

It's things like this that make me wonder if the internet could actually ever die... just think about it...

Posted by lateralsnowflake - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:38 AM

This is a very frightening precedent.

I sincerely hope that this is not a brightline for things to come. If it is, you can bet your bottom dollar that life on the internet as we know it will be over.

Megan's death may usher in an era of a digital police state, where every action is monitored carefully, every reaction monitored just as carefully. The FBI or NSA might step in at any time to silence an individual whom they think presents a threat to the worldwide online community.

We need to tread carefully on this issue, or we may be ruining our lives and the lives of our children.

Posted by marowin - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:40 AM

Wonderful article. Now we all just have to wait and see how much damage the system that failed to protect this girl will do in order to cover its own tracks. The possibility that there may be more victims of this tragedy is a daunting possibility that we all must face. Perhaps when all can help when electing the legislators that make up this system. I wish that they will show the strength, judgment, and foresight to prevent this tragedy from happening again without punishing those who did nothing to cause it. My heart goes out to Megan's family. -James

Posted by yamugushi - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:56 AM

That was a really well written article, one that compares to the new york times or something...
But what happened is just well...

Posted by mEm00t - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:56 AM

I applaud thefeed for this amazing and well written story i only wish all your news was this well done. And as far as that ahole goes something very very unfortunate should happen to her.

Posted by younggunna - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:57 AM

dang. that was the longest article i have ever read online and wow. just wow. very sad

Posted by LastExile26 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:00 AM

I hope this event is resolved in the most peaceable method possible. I'm very sorry to the young girl but perhaps, children with psychological disorders should have much more limited access to the harsh, cruel world of the internet.

Posted by coryrouseslife - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:17 AM

But will this mean for "Lonelygirl15"? Hmm, let me think... NOTHING?

Posted by dojita16 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:18 AM

that was an amazing article.

Posted by capthavic - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:19 AM

I know I'm gonna sound like an uncaring you-know-what but here it is. While I am very sorry that she died (had plenty of death in my life) she shouldn't have let it get to her. Words only hurt if you let them. And if she did have a history of being depressed and possibly suicidal her parents should have kept a closer eye on her since she was obviously very upset. Not defending what was done to her but suicide is never the answer.

Anyway I just hope that a middle ground can be reached as far as net anonymity.

Posted by Caxton - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:26 AM

Very nice article. I do feel that in any event we have to be very careful about making bullying a crime, as harsh as this circumstance may be. While it may be true that Drew's comments may have led to Meier's suicide, it is a hard thing to prove. If we simply make any bullying that occurs to a suicide a crime, we may all find ourselves unknowingly commiting a federal crime. I'm not saying I support Drew in any way, but freedom does come at a price.

Posted by Bellamorte - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:30 AM

I doubt we'll lose our anonymity. I don't want to imagine the price of policing every forum/blog/message board on the net.

Posted by sleeptight - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:32 AM

This topic is definitely important. I wonder how many people are going to go away from reading this and NOT call people idiots and fanboys 24/7.

Posted by chaychay - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:33 AM

Most well written and executed article I've read on this site easily.

Posted by altizar - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:36 AM

Darwinism at work. . .

Posted by Noc_Da_Sniper - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:37 AM

Its one thing to lie about your personal info to protect yourself... its another to make up a person to cause harm or disrespect to a child when your an adult.... but then again would you consider her an adult? not every woman who has a child is a parent and not every person over 21 is an adult... i have no pity for lori . her intentions were terrible. my heart goes out to the family of the suicide victim.. some things you just dont expect an adult to do. I hope she gets serious jail time. awesome article by the way.. Its nice to see g4 cares to inform us of more than just video games.

Posted by souelater181 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:37 AM

Leave it to a bunch of Insecure "blank"(rhymes with Witches and itches) and Judicial Pin heads to ruin one of the few uncorrupted freedoms we have left. What happened was tragic, but I've seen and heard worse harassment On X-box live. Instead of changing the ENTIRE internet, you should look into your self and ask yourself am I a Bad Enough Dude to press enter. The internet is not for the fragile! If you cant stand the heat then GTFO.

Posted by taitorin - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:37 AM

wow... thats crazy... (the no anonymity thing that is)... that person is an adult woman she should know better than to screw with a depressed kid like that...

Posted by dudius - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:38 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with this article. It's so sick that someone could treat another person so terribly.

Posted by souelater181 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:38 AM

Leave it to a bunch of Insecure "blank"(rhymes with Witches and itches) and Judicial Pin heads to ruin one of the few uncorrupted freedoms we have left. What happened was tragic, but I've seen and heard worse harassment On X-box live. Instead of changing the ENTIRE internet, you should look into your self and ask yourself am I a Bad Enough Dude to press enter. The internet is not for the fragile! If you cant stand the heat then GTFO.

Posted by Mynock - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:38 AM

I have been watching this article for a while now, and I think some people should be held accountable for their actions online. I can not count how many times I am trying to play a game, just to have some racist player saying stuff all over the place. I mean I have kids who want to play these games, and I do not want them to play with those kinds of people. Especialy when I am trying to raise them right, and teach them right, from wrong. And plus I have dealt with Cyberstalkers, and when try to get rid of them, they just delete their account just to make another one.

Posted by nyadt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:39 AM

My heart goes to the family of Megan Meier. As for those pathetic excuses for "humans" that contributed to Megan's dead, I hope and pray that they BURN IN HELL!!!!

Posted by souelater181 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:40 AM

Leave it to a bunch of Insecure "blank"(rhymes with Witches and itches) and Judicial Pin heads to ruin one of the few uncorrupted freedoms we have left. What happened was tragic, but I've seen and heard worse harassment On X-box live. Instead of changing the ENTIRE internet, you should look into your self and ask yourself am I a Bad Enough Dude to press enter. The internet is not for the fragile! If you cant stand the heat then GTFO.

Posted by souelater181 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:42 AM

Repeating Comments = annoyance.
:(

Posted by nyadt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:45 AM

What's bad about this whole tragic situation is that because of one people's sick attacks, all have to pay! I am sick and tired of paying for other people's mistakes! It makes me question why do we even have freedom if the powers-that-be don't like something just take it away from us lowly mortal without even working out a solution! I have had it! It makes me feel less like a human and more like a pawn in their sick, twisted game!

Posted by ggamer25 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:47 AM

never would have expected such thought and deepness from this site

impressive

this is a real dillema

Posted by dudius - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:48 AM

Just a couple of things....

It doesnt take much to steal an identity. If you know how to interpret a driver's license number, thats all you need to get a birthday, mother's maiden name and social security number. I really hope that sites don't resort to making you verify your age with a birth certificate or driver's license or anything.

Courts have the power of precedent, but they can also elect to make a case exclusive. The Supreme court has done it at least once before.

I hate how it only takes one bonehead to ruin it for everyone. Today I got some motor oil and the lady checked my ID because kids are huffing.

Posted by Gogaku - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:59 AM

Very sad story and well written article.

All I can say regarding the whole internet privacy matter is that it's not going to change. People are so used to be able to be anonymous on the internet that it would be an uproar if you all of a sudden had to put your real name out there. For one thing with a real name circulating the internet, one can easily found out where you live and do whatever they want to you. Imagen the flamewars being taken to the streets, it wouldn't be pretty, for one thing spectators would be blinded by the paleness of the fighters.
It won't change, and if it does, are they gonna prosecute the millions of people that still would be anonymous on the internet? It's just not realistic.

Posted by Gogaku - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:04 PM

And as nyadt said, the government should stop punishing everyone for something a few people are committing. It's like the whole business with Muslims for instance, they all are painted as evil terrorists while there's only a lonely few that actually are. It does not only creates more prejudice towards people, but also more hatred from the singled out group. If everyone thats anonymous on the internet gets associated with for instance this woman or say a sexual predator, no one will feel safe, not on the internet and not in the real world either. Fear is not the way to go, and it's sad that this government hasn't realized that yet...

Posted by bipolar93 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:07 PM

I'm just curious, but can someone please explain why that's not harrassment? I don't know what the legal definition for it is.
And 'Josh' is positively disgusting. Something should be done to her, but not if it comes at the cost of millions of innocent, unrelated people. Karma will get her if nothing else does.

Posted by sinister6972 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:13 PM

Hey G4, thanks...

I actually wrote something like this in another website but I can interpret it here....(see if you get it but you do gotta be smart)


"The Divine Internet"


Inferno: Money, business, games, porno, communication, advice, kids, parents, education, video, privacy, race, media, adultery, relationships, friends, emotion, music, programs, drugs , illegal, etc...

Purgatory: Corporations

Paradise: $$$$$$$

PS: Not bad, huh? Yep, I'm that good, LOL! Take care guys!

Posted by changbang - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:16 PM

either way, lori drew needs to be punished.

Posted by etniesrunner - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:20 PM

Wow. This is a great article.

I completely that people need to be responsible for what they say. As the article says we need to ease into it though, because otherwise we may end up with a system where too much information is needed and the system is too restricted.

Posted by shock3755 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:30 PM

I think everyone should be held accountable for what they say or do. I would have no problem with this, or any law passed for this. Reporters are held liable for anything they say, most of the stuff online that I read could be considered slander, or libal. It just brings it into that context. The writen word is the writen word. Hell it would stop those damn porn bots on Myspace that would be nice. It will also cut down on spam email. I see nothing but positives here. Why do people feel the need to lie about who they are just to say what they want? Oh and my name is Anthony DeGennaro.

Thank you.

Posted by pablobaby92 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:32 PM

Sad, this may change the whole internet, i don't know what to think, it will be safer to know, who is who in the internet, but at the same time it may affect all the people who use fake names!!!

Posted by feifei - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:47 PM

Just earlier this week, I was agreeing with Sessler for his outrage against bigots online, which stems from the anonymous nature of "online play."

It seems that when no one knows your face, since no one will be there to effect consequence, responsibility, tact, courteousness, and civility just go out the window.

While I wholeheartedly support our human right to free speech, I firmly believe that people shouldn't hide behind this to defend their being jerks.

Thus, I do believe that there needs to be consequences for what is done on the internet. This is the tragic and shameful truth to human existence: everyone, even adults, need discipline in order to function as civil human beings.

That being said, I also believe that strangling restrictions will not answer the problem, but create more. Like parenting, there's a delicate balance between freedom and discipline; too much of either usually never amounts to anything good.

Posted by pakodoom - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:58 PM

i think it's less illegal for Lori to have lied to myspace, than how she misrepresented herself to a 13 year old unstable girl. that sort of conspiracy to effect mental state is sickening. that a 'mature' mother, wife, and human, would stoop so low as to start insulting a child on the internet, and to spread that hate convincing other children (beleiving she was "Josh", i'm sure) into joining in the verbal bashing of Megan is gross parental neglegence. superkudos to Meg's 'rentsfor heavily restricting their daughter's internet use. as soon as Lori saw that up the street Megan was still "online now" and her mother was finally leaving her unnattended...i smell MASSIVE conspiracy attempts by Lori Drew a Heinous B Witch. any adult who would go to such lengths to hurt a child, with the excuse of investigating gossip...forget it. i'm FAR to outraged to be writting right now.

Posted by pakodoom - Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:59 PM

i had to edit my original post a lot for length i hope it still makes sense.

Posted by phoenixfire360 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:11 PM

f##K that woman to h3ll.there is no excuse for doing something that damn mean.Lori drew u need to go f##k urself

Posted by gamerfool16 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:12 PM

What? your crazy article writer.. if anything myspace should be sued and/or disbanded. Its just like video games 17+, its up to the parents to make sure their kids dont play them or understand when they do play them. Its all on this girl's parents b/c they knew she had problems. End of case, no one ges in trouble, and lori drew will get hers in the end.

Posted by Sawyerboy - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:20 PM

Great article
My heart dose go out to the Meier family

I agree that the First Amendment dose not make you not have responsibility over what you say.

Posted by black_zealot - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:23 PM

Good article or at least a good attempt to try and scare us. Let's face it, making it illegal to lie about your identity on the internet isn't going to change anything. The only reason Lori Drew got caught is cause she was stupid enough to let her neighbors know about it, besides what kind of grown woman lies about being a teenager unless she's into sex-craved pedophiles? But don't get me wrong I think Lori Drew deserves to burn in hell for what she did but to say it's going to change the internet?? Let's be practical here....

Plus do you guys not realize that downloading free music online is illegal? And I wonder how many people do that yet it hasn't "changed" the internet......






Yes, I know my grammer is horrible....... Bite me.

Posted by Itachi12 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:25 PM

I agree this is a tragedy, but the loss of one life should not the the government the right to regulate ehat people do online. I never give my true name or where I live online, I just give an alias. But I never harass people or be a complete a**hole to someone that I don't know. If everyone is required by law to give their true name, address, and age to social networking websites, or in all te Internet, I would personally find somthing else to do with my time. I cannot imagine doing that on every websote I log into.

Posted by Nibbins - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:29 PM

I AM SO SICK OF THESE FLAME BAIT POSTS! XBOX 360 IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THEN PS3! GET OVER IT PLAYSTATION NERDS!!1!1!!LULZ!

Posted by StrangeOne - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:32 PM

i think that if Drew is convicted the reprocussion on us the lawfull people of Teh Internets wont be affected hardly. Frankly with most criminal actions Common sense is a factor. i doubt anyone will be prosecuted for saying thing 103 ....hell women have been lying about their age for years. Only dickheads like the RIAA and MPAA and Jack Thompson seek maximum punishment for minimum offence.

Posted by Itachi12 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:33 PM

I agree this is a tragedy, but the loss of one life should not the the government the right to regulate what people do online. I never give my true name or where I live online, I just give an alias. But I never harass people or be a complete a**hole to someone that I don't know. If everyone is required by law to give their true name, address, and age to social networking websites, or in all the Internet, I would personally find somthing else to do with my time. I cannot imagine doing that on every website I log into. I also belive that Lorie Drew is completly insane. Any grown woman should have the common sense ( or common intellegince for that matter) to do somthing this cruel and seductive. I think she may have a mental illness of some kind and that she should be evaluated. It's that or she is one really evil bitch.

Posted by Itachi12 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:36 PM

@Nibbins This is a serious issue, could you please take your flame war comments somewhere else?

Posted by Nibbins - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:46 PM

@gravy666

oh yeah man, the internet could totally die... for stupid tarded 13 year olds, they wont be allowed to log on anymore to websites with adult content... oh my god, WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Nibbins - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:48 PM

@Itachi12

NO U! XBOX ROXXORS! lol
nm you guys dont get the joke, about how like everything posted on this website is normally about flame wars and stuff, and how ...blah nm lol

Posted by gamemaster1102 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:48 PM

wow. that was a superb article. it really makes you wonder...

Posted by gamemaster1102 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:49 PM

wow. that was a superb article. it really makes you wonder...

Posted by Nibbins - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:54 PM

wow. that was a superb article. it really makes you wonder...

Posted by Nibbins - Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:56 PM

wow. that was a superb article. it really makes you wonder...

Posted by GrandReaper999 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:17 PM

didn't expect this...

Posted by ichaboddanger - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:20 PM

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!!1

Posted by Jimtopia - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:20 PM

This is crazy, if they do end up making a set of laws for the internet, they need to be very delicate about it.

Posted by FireNinja1050 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:27 PM

wow this is a great article, and i feel i am really close to it because i have deppression and have contemplated suicide.(i am better now) but i feel really bad for this girl and her family and its so unfair that she died, even though she did kill herself, that women might as well have burned her alive for how she treated her. man i hope this women is eaten alive by bugs or somethin cause what she put this girl through is just terrible(jail or needle is too nice of a punishment for her)

Posted by g4tvroxdahouse - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:29 PM

No Fear Here. I am not an Ahole to most of the world and I'll tell you how it is no bs.

Posted by gamerfreak2553 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:31 PM

i dont want to have to stop using nachoseller99 or gamerfreak. i hope we dont have to stop using aliases but i do hope we get some rules that would decide if we have commited a crime or not

Posted by JACKMEOFF - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:48 PM

i hope the intenet gets laws and rules that are ENFORCED to stop all the child porn and hate crimes so cowards have no place to hide

Posted by paranoic - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:50 PM

I doubt that this will change the internet, because this isn't the first time an issue like this has happened. Many people have commited suicide over the internet and it just shows how sick this world is. Suicide is never an answer to any problems and I do not feel bad for anyone who commits it.

Posted by nyadt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:52 PM

@Gogaku:

That's EXACTLY the point! Because of Osama Bin Laden, all Arabs are targeted and scapegoatted for the attacks of one! After the tragic events of 9/11, we, as a people, could have strengthen relations with each other and prevent tragedies like this through reasoning and logic. But, instead, we chosen greed, brutality and savage tactics making us no better than those that hurt us. Even worst are those who use power to begin senseless wars where everyone suffers, claiming it's for the "greater good". I fear that if a resolution doesn't come, our generation's legacy will be nothing but hatred, anarchy and chaos.

Posted by choirmatt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:52 PM

What a truly wonderful article! Great journalism not just informs, but also raises important questions about us and our society. While I'm not sure I have any answers, this article will certainly make me contemplate these questions as this case plays out. Bravo, TheFeed. And bravo to Jonathan!

Posted by johhnymayhem - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:55 PM

I'm fine people knowing who I am online. Nothing to hide. But 4chan may have a huge problem with that.

Posted by morph147 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:56 PM

ok im still confused by this whole case because isnt some of the things this lady said to her be considered at least harrassment. and its not the first time someone used a fake myspace account and it probably wont be the last. if you look around myspace they have a huge problem with basically porn websites using them to get to other people.

Posted by gearsof360 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:08 PM

yes its very sad, but still even if the law does go, people can be themselves and make people want to kill themselves. Also the prisons will be full because people will still be doing it, just like prohibition.

Posted by JSMOKE420 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:09 PM

That Drew woman should be banished from the planet.

Posted by OBELIX - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:10 PM

I am willing to shed part of my anonymity right now. My name is Andrew Martin, and I am unemployed... Making my identity worthless to anyone...

Posted by OBELIX - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:13 PM

You can definitely hold me accountable for my words now. All I ask is that you do not tamper with my property (including my PC and Wii) or beat me up... Thank you very much.

Posted by SHADOWFOX92 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:18 PM

Thats deep, REAL deep. No person should ever be made fun of and do that to them selves! I sat here with my girlfriend, she broke out in tears while reading this, and said "that such a young age! That women should be punished for what she made that girl do to herself!!". I had to hold her and tell her the rest of this story. I know the comments after will call this comment stupid, but idc. My names Michael Vertucci, and my heart goes out to Ron and Tina Meier. I will carry this story with me forever.

Posted by SHADOWFOX92 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:20 PM

Thats deep, REAL deep. No person should ever be made fun of and do that to them selves! I sat here with my girlfriend, she broke out in tears while reading this, and said "that such a young age! That women should be punished for what she made that girl do to herself!!". I had to hold her and tell her the rest of this story. I know the comments after will call this comment stupid, but idc. My names Michael Vertucci, and my heart goes out to Ron and Tina Meier. I will carry this story with me forever.

Posted by Zdax - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:38 PM

OLD.

Posted by ThorsUncleJoe - Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:50 PM

First of all, i feel sorry for the Meier family, i really do. However, this girl was obviously unstable. Part of life is dealing with insults and learning to roll with the punches. Not everyone is going to like you. Relationships, fictional or not, only add to the stress and i feel that if she didn't kill herself over this, she would have later in life if her next relationship didn't work out. Its unrealistic to expect everyone to coddle and be nice to a person just because they aren't mentally stable enough to handle disappointment. That being said, this Lori chick should be taken into a back alley and shot. Its absolutely disgusting what she did. However, i'm not willing to give up my freedoms on the internet because of a few bad apples. There has to be a law out there that allows for punishment for Lori, but doesn't restrict the internet.

Posted by shamus312 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:09 PM

I'd gladly give up my anonymity to prevent those event from repeating, but you're right we, well the judicial system, has to tread lightly. I hope that they do take the long and hard path rather than the quick and easy way in forming precedents and regulations for the internet. Hope is all I can do...

Posted by Ccrusher27 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:14 PM

important stuff

Posted by ABYSSAL - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:18 PM

my name is abyssal slanders anyway i got nothing to hide

Posted by ciarastar3 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:27 PM

woah..i feel so bad.that is really a dramatic experience.i dont have anything to hide either.My name is Ciara.

Posted by unbiasedplayer0_0 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:28 PM

She should burn in hell. relentlessly insulting a mentally unstable child untill she killed herself is wrong and sick in every sense of the word.

I am Brady Foster., and I have nothing to hide.

Posted by neophytejk - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:33 PM

well she had no reason to kill herself if someone with no arms and legs lives happily while she goes and kills herself just from what ppl say. i feel sorry for her death but still...

Posted by charzaku582 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:50 PM

The woman that pretended to be "Josh" should get the death penalty. Theres absolutely NO excuse to do that, to anyone! That's just wrong and cruel, if her life was that bad she shouldn't take it out on the little girl.
I am Jeff Crisafi, and like Brady I have nothing to hide.

Posted by Pwner77 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:55 PM

wow...
These are one of those issues, that hit home. Many of us internet people have lied about things such as age or name. But what that woman did was just sick and vile. This was a great article Jonathan Hunt, and I believe you should get an award for it. And even though I understand what neopphytejk says I don't agree with him, she was not in the best mental stage of her life, she had to deal with depression in her life before the age of 14 she had to deal with what many of us deal with in our adult years. I believe that Megan was a strong girl for her age, but she also suffered more than many of us do as adults.

Posted by Pwner77 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:57 PM

My name is Brandon Hawks and I have nothing to hide.

Posted by Pwner77 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:01 PM

My name is Brandon Hawks and I have nothing to hide.

Posted by ShoGunSun - Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:03 PM

man a sad story with no possible happy ending...the parents did the right thing by moniterin her activity and keep the password to them...its is impossible to know who is on the internet...it is endless ppl with different identities...we do need laws to protect are children on the internet because it is a useful intrument for education and social instrument to keep in contact with friends and family...it a impossible subject to talk about...but i hope nothing like this happens again with are children and parents please moniter ur kids account dont be afraid to ask who their friends are...Peace

Posted by Brick69 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:09 PM

That was a great article and made some great points. I don't think anonymity is the problem here though, it's just Mrs. Drew. It's anonymity that makes the internet the internet, without it there wouldn't be as many interesting internet communities and odd discussions. The thing I'm am worried about is not if Mrs. Drew isn't found guilty, but the consequences if she is and where would it stops? We have already had rigged elections, false wars and unwarranted phone taps and it seems our society is only digging the hole deeper.

Posted by sinister6972 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:24 PM

Who knew we could get along......I've never been so proud. And by the way, do I got anything to hide??? Let me just say this, my screenname(sinister6972), to tell you the truth, is a sign of protection(in the words, if I don't know you, don't even bother me). I don't promote fear or look for fear, that's not what I do. I don't look for trouble at all and I don't complain(O.K maybe a couple times at G4, LOL!). As much as I like the Internet, I don't look for anyting else. To tell you the truth, I only write to people I want to and those people know how I am.....and that guys is nothing to hide...

Posted by nyadt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:28 PM

My name is Nya Taylor and I've done mistakes in my life and will continue to do mistakes, but I will not hide or live in fear. I hope that I didn't offend or upset anyone with my earlier comments and if I did, I apologize. All that you need to know of me is that I'm trying to do the best I can everyday and if you can't deal with that, then tat's your business. But, I'm not going to go to low tactics and hide like a spineless coward, but I'll confront those who have a problem wth me. We'll try to talk it out, but if not, then, it's their problem.

Posted by nyadt - Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:31 PM

@sinister6972:

I know, it's weird, because normally at this time, we'd be flaming over MGS4 vs GTA4. I wish that we all can turn this into something positive and long lasting.

Posted by BusoRenkin - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:08 PM

I.. I think I need a hug right about now. This is freakin' depressing.

Posted by Zeroultima - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:15 PM

I think they should try the case as that neighbor mom without factoring in the myspace lying. True, myspace was the proxy by which she harassed Meier. But my point is that they should try this as a case completely separate from one debating web anonymity and just as a person who cruelly harassed a 13-year old girl.

Posted by Tasomo - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:19 PM

The only people who are really scared of someone knowing who they are on the internet are the people who hide behind it to be racist and run their mouths in nonstop trash talk.

Having to identify yourself online isn't going to bring about a police state no matter what you think. It's no different than walking around in public and being held accountable for your actions there. Walk around in Atlanta and start calling black people N-bombs. See how long you keep your teeth.

The only people who truly don't want their names exposed are the internet racists and homophobes. Hell, just look through the comments and you can tell who they are.

Posted by datdude5620 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:19 PM

Jonathan already solved the problem if you ask me as he said "If an adult told a child to go out and kill someone and they did, that adult would be charged in a heart beat" and the same should go if an adult tells a child to kill themselves. Lori should be held 100% responsible for what happened along with any other children that participated in "the joke". Anonymity did help her commit the crime yes but thats no reason to take it away from the internet as a whole. Thats like taking away knives just because someone got stabbed. Just think if they hadn't gone to the dentist and let her stay on it could've all been avoided, saddest part about it if you ask me.

Posted by WhiteWolfAssassin - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:20 PM

An endless cycle of hate and violence, that's all it is. We do not always find the justice where looking for and when we do not find it, we answer with hate and violence. I feel for the Meir family as they may never find the justice they are looking for. I do feel that people should be responsible for what they say, but the fact is that their will always be irresponsible, naive', hateful people in the world and that will not change just because when it's time for them to answer for their comment's, that it will mean that they will no longer behave like jerk's. We have a right to anonymity to protect are identies from identity theft, but I do believe that false identities should not be allowed on social networks.

Posted by StrangeOne - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:22 PM

i think that if Drew is convicted the reprocussion on us the lawfull people of Teh Internets wont be affected hardly. Frankly with most criminal actions Common sense is a factor. i doubt anyone will be prosecuted for saying thing 103 ....hell women have been lying about their age for years. Only dickheads like the RIAA and MPAA and Jack Thompson seek maximum punishment for minimum offence.

Posted by insight2881 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:26 PM

I look at it like this; it was a true tradegy and at the same time people who kill themselves are either stupid or brillant. I dont care if it was my own kids, suicide is dump! There was a song out last year by this Jamician kid named Kingston and to me it promoted suicide to teenagers and preteens. He was a teen. The song played during the afternoon. Hearing kids SINGING I "wanna commit suicide" just dont sit well with me. So both victim and attacker was dump in this case. And thats no bullsht.

PS I agree with Megan her mother shouldnt have said " I so anger at you, you little B" (jk), but thats like the same effect it had on Megan I would imagine. I'm getting carried by the internet and my MOM says she's anger with me???????? THANKS A LOT MOM!!!!!

Posted by Zeroultima - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:28 PM

also to the people who are questioning why that girl committed suicide:

she has a medical condition (depression)
if you haven't had depression then you cant possibly understand the thought processes that go on, especially since she was 13 years old (with puberty, hormones, etc)
such pressure and stress we might not be able to understand

Posted by insight2881 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:30 PM

And if your wondering "when can suicide by a brillant thing?" will look @ our soldiers. How many threw themselves ontop of grenades to save their comrads or the likes? Food for thought, have a plate.

Posted by FLS_Carnage - Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:32 PM

this won't work. just because they say you have to use your real name that doesn't mean people will. you can't make everyone change their gamertags to their names, because thats gay and i've always been told not to use my name or any information on the internet that could be exploited by child predators to find me.

Posted by straycat5150 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:13 PM

I believe that true justice for Lori Drew lies beyond this world.
Meanwhile, not that I wish any further heartache or pain on another individual, I feel that perhaps she will fall victim to the type of harassment and ridicule that she so easily dished out to a innocent soul. There is nothing like cruel, ironic justice.
To Lori Drew: I wish on you a conscience, so that you are properly equipped to ponder your actions for the rest of your days on this earth.

Straycat5150=Jac

Posted by thedorbo - Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:07 PM

Since when has the law kept the moral denizens of Teh Internets from doing anything illegal. Namely, piracy.

Posted by darthrevan1138 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:30 PM

This is an excellent article, Jonathan. I mean, you should get an award for this. You put it so well, and the points you make about the justice system and everything is very poignant.

It's really terrible though, because in an online world where no one is accountable, anything can happen. The Internet is relatively new, and there are very little rules and regulations, so even if she did do things that lead to her death, you can't charge her being a bitch.

Outstanding, thank you.

Posted by Stukes - Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:34 PM

this is the most serious thing talkd about here on the feed. the article was in fact written very well. when i saw how long it was i though o gesh and then i started reding it and i was in shock about the truth of the story. i had to keep readin. when this story first broke, i thought she was just a normal 13 y-o girl with nothn bettr to do than befreind a fake person on myspace just to have her dump by him. but now that ive read that she had mental illnesses n a problem keepn friends, i see why this is a big deal. dont get me wrong, this is a big deal even if she didnt have those issues, but to have a grown woman taunt and tease her daughter's friend, whom she probably knows has those problems, is just repulsn and disgustn. how can someone do something like that? i can tell, this story is going to stay with me for my entire life, as it should with the rest of the world, and my thoughts are with those who were closest to megan.

Posted by Stukes - Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:35 PM

also the other point of the story; screennames and such. what about xbox live and playstation online? luckily for me, my name is my screenname for just about everything, except for a couple of email accounts. i flock to the internet to let out my person feelings on topics like these and part of the reason is that i kno the people reading what i write dont even know what i look like or who i am. take that away, and you might as well be standing in front of a large crowd and voicing your opinion and to have that crowd crap on it or soak it up like a sponge, and have that crowd's judgment either haunt you or have it as your signature. either way people will kno who your are, which is not what the internet stands for right now. this is going to change the whole world what this woman did to this little girl. and now we have to pay for it.

Posted by GamerNx - Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:35 PM

Wow, this makes me sick. Kids have always engaged in this kind of behavior since I can remember, but to see this from a GROWN FUGGEN WOMAN! With kids of her own! That woman should be ahamed of herself and want to kill herself. Granted, I believe our society is somewhat to blame, we baby our children and make them pretty much live in bubbles, and I think that this woman is a product of that as well, as demonstrated by her maturity level, as well as the little girl who was MURDERED. We arnt able to handle things when they come and all our answers are in drugs we give our kids. I hope they fry the hell out of this woman!

Posted by The_Lone_Saiyan - Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:35 PM

I always put my real identity when I make an account. Bring it on identity thieves!!!

Posted by black10693 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:18 PM

just get her for the conspiracy, and the stalker charges and that is it the rest doesn't matter, I hate the this so called democracy can invade and violate and destroy every single bit of our privacy and I thought this was the best country to live in, she should just be put in house arrest before they take this way to far, if they take it to far internet rates will go up, and it will be like south park where only California has internet , hopefully the next Pres. will take care of this the right way other wise a lot of people will be in jail

Posted by MrKrinklez - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:23 PM

I say common sense should be put more in our legal system. Judges are judges to be smart, and with that intelligence they should be able to make the decision to say "Off with her head!"

Posted by mross59 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:35 PM

This is sad, and I hope all involved with the abuse will be 'prosecuted' - if not through the courts, then by the will of the people (as the Drews have already witnessed to some extent, I'm sure).

Although this won't change the internet drastically, it does raise the issue of accountability. I don't want the overbearing, ruthless 'police state' that Hollywood constantly regurgitates, but why are people so afraid to show what's behind their mask. If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the big deal?

I do think that as time wears on, the internet will become more of an extension of reality, removing the veils of society - where you are accountable for your actions and individuals control their behavior because of known repercussions. Isn't that the way the civilized world should be anyway?

Posted by spudfarmer - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:40 PM

This article is incredibly well thought out and very well articulated (makes me wish my vocabulary was that extensive). What this woman did shows that she has no respect for other people. When a person has problems like this little girl did, you cannot throw out any statement and not think that it won't go straight to their heads and truly affect the way that they feel about themselves. People at that stage in life are already selfconcious enough about themselves with out some dumb a** dragging them down even lower. May peace come unto the victims family.

Posted by MorganL4 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:43 PM

we have laws that protect kids from online sex solicitations, lets just take those and modify them to where if you are found guilty of having sent messages that state or imply that a person would be better off dead then you are guilty of a felony, I mean the athorities can find us through IP addresses cant they? So as long as you dont send messages telling people to kill themselves then you are safe, and that way we all keep our screen names and such.

I mean I cant garantee this but Im sure there are laws against sending snail mail of this sort right? so why not e-mails or message board posts?

just turn the messages over to the athorities they access the ip address arrest the person, and all the social networking sites have to do is add into there rules and regulations thing a disclosre saying that any message that tells a person thier life should end will be guilty of a felony

it doesnt seem that complicated

Posted by MorganL4 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:44 PM

a few spelling and grammar errors but u get the message

Posted by Rajion1 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:04 PM

While this is sad and tragic, does that mean one should be anonymous? I do not think so.
Teens have killed themselfs for less, such as not geting an 'A' on a math quiz. Does that mean Math quizes should be banned? No. So why should we ban the right to keep one's information a secret?
I have a feeling this is just one step closer to a universal I.D.

Posted by GODZ_WANDERER - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:19 PM

(part 1)

I just love reading the responses to this post about the Myspace Hanging, now I can honestly see where everyone is coming from. Yes it's a tragedy that a 13 year old girl lost her life to a lie.....but who the hell cares?

I mean fer' Christ sakes people so what? A chick hanged herself, big whoop die friggin do! Do you honestly know how many people in the world today die because they commit suicide? Well I don't know the numbers but i'm pretty sure it is alot...yeah don't even argue that point.

Posted by GODZ_WANDERER - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:20 PM

(part 2)

The point i'm trying to make is this, Lori Drew shouldn't be prosecuted for allegedly making the girl hang herself. Did she tell her to put a belt loop around her neck and hang herself? No. Did she say go commit suicide? No. She said that the world would be a better place without them in it, I see no where within tht comment the words," Go hang yourself."

If someone is that stupid and ignorant enough to hang themselves over a retarded conversation they had over the internet, then maybe...gee I dunno' they shouldn't be on the internet? I mean, the mother allowed them to talk online and be friends, which in my personal opinion was a parental control, and if she felt comfortable enough to let her kid continue having a friendship online with someone then thats okay. But when you start to say how disgusting and dispicable she is for what she did, ask yourself this. If everyone hanged themselves over a conversation they had online, how many people would still be alive?

Posted by GODZ_WANDERER - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:22 PM

(part 3)

The internet was made just for the reason of allowing someone to go and rant what they truly think, if someone acts like a nice guy on the outside and then comes online and becomes the equivilent of a KKK member, then thats their choice and it doesn't mean that they should be held responsible if they call an African American a derogitory term.

Now, I am not a saint by any means, but it is just my opinion that Lori shouldn't be held responsible for a child's death when her hands never touched the child or she didn't give specific instructions on how to do it.

And that right there folks, is me using the internet, oh wow am I an a**hole now? Probably to most of y'all (yes I said y'all, i'm a hick)I may come off that way, but if you think about it...I only used the internet.

Posted by GODZ_WANDERER - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:25 PM

(I forgot to finis hthis thought btw)

The internet was made just for the reason of allowing someone to go and rant what they truly think, if someone acts like a nice guy on the outside and then comes online and becomes the equivilent of a KKK member, then thats their choice and it doesn't mean that they should be held responsible if they call an African American a derogitory term and the person who gets called the derogitory terms goes out and commits a crime that may be viewed as a racist act against humanity.

Posted by deadstar99 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:40 PM

That was one of the most intriguing articles i have read on the internet period. And it really does signify that there needs to be a set of laws that need to be specially catered to the internet. Unfortunately those laws would be some of the most debated in the country's history, i cant even think of a perfect solution to a problem like this especially when you are dealing with situations as tradgic as this one. Change is coming though, you can almost smell it in the air... The "Wild West" days of the internet are coming to a close, enjoy it while you can.

Posted by deadstar99 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:51 PM

Hey response to GODZ... Im not gonna pass judgment on your opinion at all, but look at it from this way. You dont think that Lori deserves charges? This would be no harm no foul if Lori had done this to an adult, but this was a 13 year old girl with psych problems. That she had known for a long time, she was obviously aware of how fragile a girl at that age's mind could be, her daughter was the same age. For her to go out of her way to purposly hurt this girl (weather or not she hung herself because of problems irrelevant to the situation) she should absolutly be held responsible and accountable for her actions. She is and Adult. Megan was a 13 year old girl. Lori obviously has psychological probmlems of her own and definitly has a debt to society that needs to be repaid. Throw the book at this pathetic excuse for a grown woman.

Posted by MarkVI - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:05 PM

wow... such a sad story. It really is too bad that people have to be so judgmental towards others. It is also very sad to see that an adult would treat someone else's (let alone their own) child like that, in my eyes she has no morals. From these two pictures this was a beautiful young girl, my condolences to her family.
On the topic of anonymity, I think it would be very difficult to make it illegal to lie, or remain anonymous, because anonymity is also a right. It really is too bad that people, especially grown adults, would use the internet for such purposes.

Posted by GODZ_WANDERER - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:06 PM

To deadstar99

My only comment to that is, if the parents knew that the 13 year old girl had psychological problems, then they should have kept a closer eye on the myspace use

Posted by DeltaSpartan24 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:12 PM

wow. may megan meier rest in peace. shes in a better place now. such a tragedy.

Posted by demonlord2007 - Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:46 PM

I think just because one woman did this doesn't mean we all are that Bad. I think they should make her pay, but not at the empress of all the rest of us. You have a great day today.

Posted by WhiteWolfAssassin - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:01 AM

Im no computer expert, but what MorganL4 said makes sense. Authorites do have access to find the person behind the screen name. It would be more sensible for social networks to lay out terms that you cannot violate on the network.

Posted by Frankotaco - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:14 AM

this was an amazing article. true Journalism in an era where Journalism is almost nonexistent. applause to you Mr. Hunt. and to all who commented thus far. amazing analyzes and impute.

i personally don't lie for anything i do online. my method is; i use my real world nick name...FrankoTaco, sometimes just Franko. for all of my accounts. they are all tied to me and my personality...but they all lack the harmful information that only people i want to have have. we can easily create Mark Twain style pen names that represent who we are as individuals. yet still protects our identity. just as you may only know Samuel Clemens as Mark Twain. all you lack is his personal private information. you still know who he is, What he stands for. and could find out this information if needed.

my heart goes out to all of Megan's friends, family, and loved ones she leaves behind. and you, as well as her. will be in my thoughts and prayers.

Posted by echo1331 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:26 AM

What this woman did to this little girl is not just a tragedy but horrible misuse of the anonymity on the internet. To use the internet to get away from the real world is a good thing to do, but to use it to hurt and maim a 13 year old girl for revenge against two little kids' spat! What the hell was this woman thinking? This grown woman used our given right of anonymity on the internet and twisted it to help get revenge on a 13 year old girl. What this woman did on Myspace's servers is against the law and she is being prosecuted for it. This article is using this tragedy to enlist a conspiracy theory that any lying on the internet is against the law. That is simply just not the truth, lying about our age, location, sex or any other personal information on the internet to protect yourself is far from evil that this woman did.

Posted by echo1331 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:28 AM

But when this woman began to use this right and twisted to fit her own maliciousness at the expense of others’ physical and/or mental health, this is when we need to draw that line in the sand.And begin to separate ourselves from this cancer because once we defend this usage of anonymity for the use of evil that is when the government will get involved so it can do what its job and protect its citizen from it. If you consider lying on the internet to protect yourself on the same level as using to it injure people you really shouldn't be able to use the internet or a computer. The internet is supposed to be a haven for people to share information about themselves and the world around them not to spread fear and hatred. My name is Shawn and because who I am in the virtual world is the same person I am in this world. When we start to confuse these two worlds as not being the same, we can stop being accountable for what we do and say in both.

Posted by RETVirus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 AM

Teh Internetz.

Serious business.

Posted by anth920 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:48 AM

This was one of the best articles ive read in a long time. I think im going to forward this to all my friends.

see most people jump on the band wagon to regulate or make laws for the internet when an incendent like that happens, and though it was sad I fear that the people will use this incendent for the wrong reason, even if there heart is in the right place. I hope this article makes some people really think about how to regulate or even if the want to regulate the internet.

We as a people have got to be carefull for our next few steps could be good or bad. What ever we do will affect the future to come.

Posted by Seslor - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:01 AM

I lived in the neighborhood this girl lived in when it all happened. People posted signs all around saying things like "A MYSPACE IMPERSONATOR LIVES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD" and things like that. It was awesome seeing everyone come together to make sure that sick woman was at the lowest point in her life.

I did write an article on this story myself for the paper I work for, and one thing I believe this article forgot to mention (maybe I just missed it), was that Megan's parents have recently gotten a divorce due to all of the incidents that have happened.

Just thought I would share some of that information.

Awesome article but a terrible story. No one deserves that, and that sick freak should rot in hell.

Posted by MaximusPaynicus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:03 AM

I remember seeing this story when it first happened some time ago. Back then, I wanted the US legal system to come down on her with a two-ton hammer, using her as some sort of example for others who would think to do such a thing.

Now, a little bit older and a little bit wiser, I'm not so sure. Yes, she deserves punishment for her actions, and there is no doubt that there is a room reserved for her in hell, but as you have said we need to be careful. If this is convicted on the "lying to MySpace" charges, not only does it set up a scary precidence for the future, but it also provides anti-internet and anti-first amendment politicians some wiggle room to try and censor the whole of the internet.

Posted by MaximusPaynicus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:04 AM

(pt. 2)

I think the middle ground, if there is any, will be in the area of physical harm. People are going to fight on the internet all the time. People are going to call each other names, again, all the time. However, as long as it isn't something that could compromise national security (read: "I'm going to kill the President" or "I'm going to bomb Comerica Park." -- Go Tigers) and is not directly responsible for the bodily harm of the person it was directed towards, I don't see the United States Government getting involved.

Posted by Bolshoi333 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:05 AM

it's a tough stance to take, that's for sure. I think the outrage of the community may have punished her enough. But at the same time, I wouldn't object to a method of tracking people online, strictly for authoritative use of course. It could really help in terms of online predators, scam artists, and the like.

Posted by MaximusPaynicus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:07 AM

(pt. 3)

As for the issue of being held responsible for what we say online -- we already are, in many cases. Even people who post anonymous messages on blogs are subject to being held responsible. Internet message boards have moderators, and most blogs either moderate comments themselves, or bring in regular readers to do it for them. The issue here is that Mrs. Drew did this through PM -- Private Message. PM's, by their nature, cannot and should not be moderated. However, if you wanted to come up with a law that prevents people from taking PM's and making them public for the sole purpose of slandering another person, I could see how that could make both parties happy.

Posted by MaximusPaynicus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:08 AM

(pt. 4)

As for Mrs. Drew, to be honest if I were in her shoes I would be begging for some kind of conviction. If she is convicted, she'll serve her time and there will be a sense of closure that will allow her family and the general public to move on. If she is not convicted or punished in any way for what she has done in driving a fooling an already emotionally unstable girl to suicide by further toying with said emotions, the internet will destroy her. There will be such a massive outcry that will start on the internet and, just like last time, will filter to the mainstream media that no matter where Mrs. Drew goes, she'll forever be known as the woman who faked a MySpace profile, and drove a girl to suicide.

Posted by VayMasters - Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:55 AM

No wonder she killed herself, her parents ran their home like a prison.

Posted by robertonycr - Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:11 AM

Great article, a lot of eyebrow raisers here. Nice job Jonathan

Posted by ABYSSAL - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:04 AM

the internet will always have its anonimity or no one would type stuff in places like this or anywhere else, all a person has to do is ignore someone whos talking crap abd trying to bring you down, that girl shouldve just ignored all that but she was crazy in the head and was probably going to end up killing herself in the future, people like her dont live long lives

Posted by XSimulationX - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:07 AM

this article makes you feel really bipolar at times...one second your wishing the woman would go to jail and then on the other hand if she does then the internet could be ruined...i can't seem to call this one either way...I guess you have to look at it this way (I AM IN NO WAY DEFENDING THE EVIL ONE) BUT, if you told someone randomly on the street to kill themself and they did are you to blame? can you really be blamed for someone's suicide?...when you look at it this way it seems ridiculous but in the context of the article she seems pretty guilty...it racks my brain...beasty article though great job feed!

Posted by Xiado - Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:13 AM

I will now use my (now short lived) anonymity to say:

Someone ought to put that Lori tw@ in a burlap sack and beat her with rakes!!!

Posted by Nibbins - Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:14 AM

My name is Brandon Hawks and I have nothing to hide.

Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:45 AM

Firstly my concolences to the Meiers.

I started reading this article at work and got hooked. This by far is the most indepth article that I've read here on G4. This is defenitely a double edged sword with the charges brought up as they are. To hear that an aduldt was responsible for causing a child to lose her life, is disgusting. I find it interesting that those were the charges brought up against her. I mean that if it's illegal to sceam fire in a crowded theature, then why not harrassment to the point of death. Why the internet charges and not the fact that this was a premeditated plan to harrass and humiliate this girl. Yes she may not have intended to have this end up with Megan killin herself. Much like if you yell fire in a crowded movie as a prank, you did not intend to have that old lady in the front row to have a heart attack and die. So why can you be charged for the latter but not the cyber harrassment and bullying?
By the way I'm Pierre.

Posted by krazyfreak21 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:05 AM

wow i can't believe what i just read i hope tk=he law sistem punishes lori drew but whatever they give her is not enough i mean taking a life of a 13 year old girl who had mental problems! thats, thats just not right

Posted by krazyfreak21 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:07 AM

wow i can't believe what i just read i hope the law sistem punishes lori drew but whatever they give her is not enough i mean taking a life of a 13 year old girl who had mental problems! thats, thats just not right

Posted by wolftheory - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:11 AM

This is interesting. In a way, this is like Marvel's Civil War event when the country called for people with masks to be held accountable for their actions through registration to the US government. While reading the comics, I was thinking "Hell no, that's retarded! Go Captain America"
Now here the internet community is in the exact same position as these fictional superheroes were in, facing whether or not to give up their "masks" in exchange for security and accountability. Now I'm not to sure which side to take (maybe since neither side has Captain freaking America on it, lol).

Posted by ichaboddanger - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:22 AM

oh yeah i forgot the internet is serious business. how come nobody has posted a rickroll yet?

Posted by schreiter - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:28 AM

i live decently close to this. my belief on murder of a child, especially in the way should be the chair. they dont even deserve lthal injections. give them thousands of watts and make them truely pay.

Posted by ace45 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:30 AM

Yeah, it would be a shame if everyone was actually held accountable for their words and actions... *sheesh*

Posted by 311grassr00ts - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:35 AM

great write up jonathan, this is truly saddening.

This case leaves me feeling confused, while the woman who made up the account name acted in a horrible way (toying with a young girl with mental issues), I don't know what the correct thing to do, a short stay in jail? maybe 2 years? But having to face this hatred by the community and internet has got to be punishment in itself.

I'd like to know who was making those final posts to megan, was it the girls mother? or the girl? does anyone know?

Having all your personal information tied to accounts is scary for a few reasons, hackers breaking into accounts, and the potential risks of having the government censor what they deem is "bad", but something clearly needs to be done. what a terrible story.

Posted by kingdaniel97 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:40 AM

My name is Daniel Boyle and I have nothing to hide. I am surprised by some of the comments here. Her mother thought that she could handle it as she was becoming a stronger person. Her parents still watched her and she probobly would have continued to develop social skills had Mrs. Drews not done this. Honestly some of the things the readers had said like "if you can't handle it then GTFO off the internet" god you really have no souls some of you. I have gone through depression, rejetion and attempting and contemplating suicide and I can tell you it's not easy at all. I'm still dealing with my last breakup because I was in love with her. She'd felt like he was her world, then at the same time as when he left her all of her friends flamed her. These were not anonymus voices, these were people she talked and hung with on a regular basis and suddenly they were calling her terrible things.

Posted by Xaldin_III - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:49 AM

People hat play that type of game with others minds deserve to die. That is pure evil and heartless. God have mercy on her family.

Posted by Wild_Zack - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:59 AM

I think that the only thing that can be done about this tragedy is to prevent it from happening again.

Posted by WalterWhite - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:19 AM

Jonathan, using your logic, authors can no longer use pen names. You exaggerated the implications of this ruling.

No one is saying you can't use a screen name, but each pseudonym should register back to an authentic identity.

Posted by spudfarmer - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:27 AM

@ wild_zack

I believe that what you said about the only thing that can be done is to try and prevent it from happening again. But, if that means your privacy, which is a basic right that we all have, is that too great a price? I am not trying to be devils advocate here, I believe that woman will have a very hard life from this point on, if not through the justice system, then through the way that other people will treat her from now on, which, in many ways, can be even more destructive that sitting in jail pondering her actions.

Posted by csadler1444 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:36 AM

that poor girl, in my opinion Lori Drew got off easy, she should be in prison forever, in my opinion, what she did qualifies as murder in my eyes. and i kinda hope this happens, people need to be held accountable for their actions, both offline and online. im tired of hearing a bunch of slanderous and bigoted terms whenever i go online

Posted by LOAGEEKS (BANNED) - Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:53 AM

I feel real sorry about what had happened. I also feel sorry when other people get hurt by other means also.

The Internet was used in a bad way, but the internet is not to blame. Folks need to be educated that the net is like walking in the street at dark, and that every person you meet is a someone in an alley. Cause you seriously don't know them. If it is easy for you to hide your identity, meaning no harm to anyone, how easy is it for some one to use it the wrong way. Just as you are cautios not to give your information to strangers in the street you should do the same on the net.

This is not a Government issue. This is an isolated issue. Should knives be banned cuase they can kill, and have been used severaly times to kill?, although 99.99% there used as utensiles.

I vote against the Government controlling the Net, it is one more step to taking away the freedom of it.

I hope Hell rains down on everyone responsible for this young girls death

Posted by KnuxSonic - Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:56 AM

Fantastic story, The Feed wins the Emmy.

Posted by halofan1 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:15 AM

holy crap thats just not cool

Posted by maxs350z - Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:41 AM

wow that was pretty deep. however i can beleive there are heartless people out there. i just cant believe a woman and her daughter can live with themselves for the the rest of their lives that they emotionally executed, in theory an emotionally disabled young girl. i just cant believe it. yes you have your sadistic people out there but for one to carry out such a prank is plain sickening. i hope she actually gets charged for a form of murder. i believe by playing the prank and telling the young girl that the world would be a better place without her, is essentially the same thing as telling someone to go kill themself.
also the editorial was outstanding. great job.

Posted by Jerkapotamus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:01 AM

There's a couple things that I look at in this article. First of all, she's unstable. It's not like it was just these online attacks that are to blame. They just triggered the depression that was bubbling inside of her. It just as easily could have been anything else that made her sad. In the end, she chose to commit suicide. If a 13 year old isn't mature enough to make their own emotional decisions, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to freely roam the internet.From what I remember when I was 13, I was perfectly capable of seeing a malicious comment about me and being fine with it. 'Oh look, it's a guy I've never met before saying he has his way with my dear old ma every night. What am I to do?' Yeah, she couldn't look at it the same way because she was unstable, which is precisely the point. Her unstable behavior is more to blame than the woman.

(see second post)

Posted by Jerkapotamus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:02 AM

Secondly, this probably wouldn't have happened if she had listened to her mom and gotten off the internet when she was told to. A parent would have been able to be there with her and probably make her feel better, or at least well enough to not hang herself.

For me, anonymity works both ways. My words carry no serious meaning and I don't take any serious meaning from everyone else's words. If you slap an identity onto everyone's words, the words would carry more weight and actually emotionally affect me more. There's never going to be a giant motorization of the internet, it's just too big. Depending on this case, the only time anything will matter is if someone kills them self.

(see third post)

Posted by Voitan - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:02 AM

I don't see why charges of harrassment and reckless endangerment of a child can't be leveled.

The internet is only a medium of communication, and to me it doesn't matter that you aren't face to face with each other.

Harrassment is harrassment.

Pushing a child to her death does not matter what medium or method is used.

In Japan this is already a common problem. I say prosecute Lori Drew under those crimes.

Posted by Jerkapotamus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:03 AM

Personally, that seems far too selective. You'd end up with situations where I might be saying a malicious comment to someone and my friend might be saying a malicious comment to another person. It turns out that the person I'm maliciously talking to is unstable and kills them self, while the person my friend is talking to is normal and thinks nothing of it. Suddenly, while performing the exact same actions, I get charged with a felony while my friend gets off free. As I said earlier, there's no way the whole internet will be monitored, so only cases where bad things happen as a result will be investigated.

(see fourth post)

Posted by Jerkapotamus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:04 AM

In most cases, opportunities for government regulation are bad. In this case, it is especially bad. Do you really want the legislature to get involved with the internet? It's the same deal as it is with video games. It's a bunch of suits who are attempting to regulate what they know nothing about. Keep internet anonymity. I'm all for people behaving correctly on the internet, but forcing people to is not the correct way to go about it. Parents being aware of the dangers of the internet and then allowing their kids to use it as they see fit is the correct method.

Posted by elfbride - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:14 AM

Ah the web. A fun new way to be totally viscious to each other. That woman needs to be strung up by her hair!!!!

Posted by sinister6972 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:21 PM

I just wanna say Happy Fathers Day to the dads out there! And guess what guys? Another Party!


And I wanna say is good to know people are talking about this article.....I've never been so proud. But once again, party guys! Holla back guys!

Posted by jman3451 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:46 PM

This is a huge issue. I am totally against what "Josh" has done to Megan but...
Everyone is looking to the first amendment. Well everyone also needs to look at the "innocent until proven guilty" clause in the constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Presumption_of_innocence) because everyone has assumed that Lori is guilty and is clinging to the first amendment. So you guys are really contradicting yourselves when you want justice without the "due process of law" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un ited_States_Constitution) being carried out.

Posted by jman3451 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:48 PM

Also I'd like to question what the foreign and international consequences of this would be. After all, the US may be a superpower but there is no way that the FBI and/or NSA could look after all of these cases and be able to limit what people do. Everyone just assumes that everyone online is in the US and thats just not true. Also the servers or websites could just be held outside the US if the gov't made a law that would require legit names and info.

Posted by natethegreat757 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:02 PM

I just took the time 2 read this whole page and I can honestly say that Lori deserves SERIOUS punishment 4 this!Why did she even mess with a child that she knew was mentally unstable!The sad part is that Megan had probably been this awful ladies house b-4 and I bet that lady was just as nice as she could be.I'm bipolar so I can understand what this girl went thru.If u havent ever been depressed than u dont understand.I have nothin 2 hide.My name is Nathan Wyatt and I'm a 13 yr. old guy who also has a MySpace.Mine says I'm 14 and I will b in 5 months.So sue me!(And just so nobody has a spaz attack,I'm not going 2 commit suicide no matter what anyone says cuz I'm not that retarted.)U get 1 life 2 live,so live it!

Posted by RETVirus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:08 PM

Oh yeah, this isn't the first time this has happened.

Posted by megus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:56 PM

wow that is all i can say right now wow

Posted by blueruin - Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:02 PM

This is a prime example that why we as a species are undeserving of the advancements in technology we make. A grown woman antagonizing a child for no true purpose other than to be a spiteful and clearly idiotic parent. This is not an isolated incident and before anyone else slaps down a "Can't handle it GTFO" statement it should be pointed out that the purpose of the internet is not to be a forum for mediocrity and retardation. The potential for this technology is vast, but as long as people use it as a tool of malice it with rot and fester before falling by the wayside. Either people are going to have to be more responsible with their freedoms or the government will continue to take them away piece by piece. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Use the human advantage, think.

Posted by SilentSniper - Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:13 PM

wow cant believe a parent would do something like that

Posted by etnitz - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:17 PM

dude, all i have to say is that you have to be effed up in the head to do this to a mentally unstable child. she should be charged with murder.

Posted by Galen20K - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:23 PM

THere should be some kind of "Good Samaritan" law that should be Enforced ONline AND Offline kind of like the one that was in the Last Episode of Seinfeld.

People SHOULD be Accountable for their Actions whether or not the Individuals who say them doesnt think it affects others they intend to hurt "That Bad".

GRow up people and Have REspect for your Fellow man, EVEN if they ARE different from you.

Posted by Tasomo - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:24 PM

jman, innocent until proven guilty is regards for judicial punishment. The evidence is there, Lori hasn't denied it, she tried to cover it up, and she quite obviously was responsible for everything. This isn't a case of someone being wrongfully accused, she did it. Only thing "innocent" about her currently is that she isn't convicted.

You're not "innocent until proven guilty" in reality, only in regards to punishment from the government. It says nothing in regards to protection from the people.

Posted by used2loverhad2killer - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:34 PM

Anonymity is a convenient substitute for self confidence, intelligence, and character in general--oh yeah, and spelling and grammar.

Dudes like Nibbins make inflammatory comments because they get a rise out of it without fear of repercussion. Like making faces at the lions through four inches of glass at the zoo. They change their tune when the glass wall is removed. Then they feel embarrassed and ashamed for their words.

The challenge on the rest of us is to rise above the snickering and to be bold enough to say what we want loud and proud regardless of our screen names.

Myspace was only a tool used by Lori Drew, no different than the telephone or post office. I hope this is the approach prosecutors will eventually take. Either way, she will have her day in civil court where she will lose everything.

Thanks for the great article. Keep it up (and look for a better job at a magazine man).

Posted by Carpeljet - Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:39 PM

This is a dispicable thing to do to someone. it's a dispicable thing to do to anyone. plus the fact that she's a child and has an emotional disease(yes a disease, the chemicals in her brain weren't working as much of normal societies do)

That being this dispicable woman shouldn't be charged with what she's being charged with. and i hope it gets thrown out in court.

This woman should be sent to jail for a long time for what she did. but not on these charges.

she should be charged with child endangerment or something to the like. lets set new precedents for something like that. lets not set precendents for lieing on the internet.

the malice she showed towards this girl should be the deciding factor.

SHE KNEW this was a 13 year old girl. SHE KNEW that the girl had suicidal tendencies. and she still did this.

Posted by WW32012 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:29 PM

Pt1 all i can say is... this is the most atrocious horrendous despicable act of dishonor towards a persons feelings. this is lower than frozen crap in the deepest depths of the ocean. how cold you find "Megan Meier is a slut" or "Megan Meier is fat" funny? i mean seriously! the lack of American values show by this woman is astounding as for harassment throughout the internet... it's like a communist telling a citizen they can leave forever and shooting them at the border. if the woman teaches these values to her children imagine the values that her kids or her kids, kids will teach there children. this scares me to the deepest levels possible not only for the family's but for the country. if you watch the news every once in a while you will see things such as three yes i said "3" year olds smoking pot... now i dont know about you but i already see the effects of the 60's on the future generations. i dont know about you but i know i didn't do anything like that and i fear for family..

Posted by WW32012 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:33 PM

Pt2 friends and my future children. i think it's about time for America to stand up and not be so soft on our children when they "screw up" i mean come on... you cant spank your kids in California? when did the government decide things for us? yes im looking at you Nobama.. im sorry but that man is a communist he limits our speech. tells us what we can and cant say. this also scares me. "dont talk about my friends, ears,preacher for "20 years",positions"that he voted present for numerous times" etc... im sorry i didn't mean to bring politics into this but it ties into the conservative view points. it's not to late we can change and keep things like this from happening by RAISING our children CORRECTLY and not how this womans parents raised her "with no values for others" we must be stern with our children, teach them what is right and wrong and hopefully it will work and there will be no "gangs" because a guy impregnated a woman and walked away and the mother somehow dies and the...

Posted by WW32012 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:35 PM

Pt3 final child has no place to go. hate on me for what you will but know this "America is losing its backbone and the world is aware" so next time your child misbehaves in public for example dont try to calm them down. be stern and teach them that your in charge, and they will learn a lesson that they will pass on to there kids. it's the only way.

Posted by BrokenLonginus - Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:45 PM

That woman is terrible and I hope she never sleeps again...however being mean is no crime.As unfortunate as it is there will always be bastards in this world and we simply must have the strength to ignore them.Megan was a child with problems that were not caused by anyone.She just was unlucky to live near someone so terrible.Sometimes life just sucks like that...I hope that woman lives a long time free then dies all alone and hated.That should be her punishment.

Posted by BGJackONeill - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:04 PM

Seriously, John, you are an awesome writer. Please tell me you have this one in your portfolio because that was really something worthy of USA Today or Newsweek.

Posted by TheRedStar - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:18 PM

I"m with brutas she should be charged w/ wrong full death or sued for wrong full death. I'm an admitant A**hole. What she did was wrong, but it's not a crime to hurt some one's fealings especialy if they have hurt you or upset you. Case in point my bro's girl she's a skezer and I treat her like one (Gs up). If she commits suicide cauz of the harsh things I told her I shouldn't be prosecuted especialy if they are true (Again, Gs up). Stupid people should be told that they are dumb, and ugly people should be told they are ugly! If We A**holes don't speak up They will be like Amy Winehouse and think they are smart and preaty.

Posted by TheRedStar - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:25 PM

My friends and I have told eachother some preaty mean spirited things. Others who hear our conversations would wonder if we were friends. They Certanily don't need to be punished for telling me the truth about my short comeings no matter how harsh the tone. In fact their words usually bring me down to earth when I get a but full of my self. (usually after sex or a difficult Acheivment in a game or when i make money) I dont' have emo-problems. This chick did and beacuse of it her case SHOULD NOT be a PRECEDENT! The courts have the right to say that this is a special case and is a special rulling that is not to have any future merit in other cases. It's a Judges subliminal message to other Judges that the times are crafting the verdect not the law.

Posted by sxmxkillswitch - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:38 PM

i think the mother(imposter) should get the maximum sentance that they can give her.what a horrible thing to do.i hope that if there is a hell she will burn there,and may trogdor eat her eyes from here face.grrrrr that is just sick how could you do that.i think that online security should be bumped up.not to where you have to give all your info but atleast something.

Posted by TheRedStar - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:41 PM

Now for the Scary Stuff.

If you have to start useing your id on line your @ an even larger threat to ID theft and OVER Advertising. If you've ever played MGS4 and heard of SOP. It's not that Farfetched. Right now as you are reading my words there are comapanies out there that are collecting information on you and keeping it in an HUGE data bases. Tradeing, selling, and even leaseing the data to other companies. Ever wonder How companies like Yahoo, MSN, Google, and MySpace make money? It's on Advertiseing! Search Engines actualy make money and MySpace has traffic(you)! There is an entire industry about Internet Advertiseing. The type of Advertiseing that is reminsant of SOP is "Behavioral Advertiseing"

Posted by TheRedStar - Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:53 PM

continued...

With "Behavioral Advertising" these companies can track were you have been and what you like to look @. Useing that data they will advertise to you only what they THINK you are interested in. They do it by useing Cookies and even your IP address(sub mask included). This behavioral data is coupled to the data you have already given out on the net at some point or another. All that needs to happen is a interception of the data or some disgruntled employee to take some data he got and BOOM your entire life can be stolen and even mimic-ed to a degree. Kinda like that Swaznegager Movie whith his clone replaceing him (forgot the name.) There's more creapyness to this stuff but I would invite you to educate you self on these Data Bases and "Behavioral Advertiseing".

:)

Posted by Ruscle - Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:15 PM

Man. This is deep stuff. As I read through it I found myself feeling sorry for that girl. If this changes the internet so be it. I am ready to make the internet a better place.

Posted by Bolshoi333 - Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:13 PM

Actually...wouldn't "Josh"'s actions legally be slander? Spreading lies to defame a person and cause them great harm?

Posted by slyfin - Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:33 PM

I heard about this a few months ago on television and I to was shocked. Honestly I don't think much will happen to this lady in the legal system but for her sake I hope she gets some jail time.
Personally, if anyone ever plotted to harm my child or directly/indirectly caused their death I would make sure that person doesn't exist in this world very long.

Posted by slyfin - Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:39 PM

I heard about this a few months ago on television and I to was shocked. Honestly I don't think much will happen to this lady in the legal system but for her sake I hope she gets some jail time.
Personally, if anyone ever plotted to harm my child or directly/indirectly caused their death I would make sure that person doesn't exist in this world very long.

Posted by heaven_spawn - Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:46 PM

I'm Raph Doval-Santos, and I do give a damn about people hiding behind screen names while hurling insults at others, be it online while I'm playing an FPS, or when I wake up to find the 'comments' ticker of my blog flooded with crap. I have been using the Internet for nearly 20 years now, and I am fed up.

I agree we deserve protection, and aliases do that. But, if we want to create culture that treats everyone with respect, we need to show respect first, and we start by being honest about who we are before the world.

Posted by Guyduc - Monday, June 16, 2008 12:05 AM

It is strange that after, what seems like, people of many ages, levels of education, and general background looked at this article, nobody got the point. Apart from the questions of whether the woman is evil? the parents were irresponsible? the precedent is good/bad? privacy is a right? The real question is why is our body of law unable to handle this case? What is the internet and what should it be used for? Only then we can decide what kind of laws to apply and what kinds of right a person can have while interacting with this virtual world.

Posted by Twinrova - Monday, June 16, 2008 3:51 AM

Many of you reading this post are going to get very, very upset, so do so at your own risk.

Personally, Megan's parents got exactly what they deserved. Who the hell lets a 13 year old girl surf the internet unsupervised, especially at MySpace which has been in the news for the past 2 years of having problems.

If anything, the courts should be going after Megan's parents for failure to properly parent their child, as well as neglect on a massive scale.

A teenager just doesn't kill themselves. Signs were present LONG before this "Justin" came along and this interaction was the final nail in the coffin.

Disagree if you must, but now we're all poised to pay for the stupidity of Megan's parents who lacked the knowledge, strength, and care to treat their 13 year old daughter while prosecutor's go after the wrong people.

Oh, and Twinrova isn't my real name. It was taken from a video game.

People are idiots. Deal with it.

Posted by DeeJayX - Monday, June 16, 2008 6:16 AM

Man, lets coddle the children even MORE and make the internet a soft fuzzy place where noone can get hurt. Please! The girl had issues and took the weakest possible action, ending her life, over what? Text on a screen? Get real.

The parents need to take responcibility for letting her get into that state instead of teaching her about the internet. Social places are ALWAYS going to have liars...even in real life.

What about those "What happens in Vegas" commercials where people are obviously not all "Smiths"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=46xKgCPIQmE

Vegas wants us to lie about or lives to the faces of others. And we're upset some person lied on the internet and was a jerk to some kid? Oh wait...we're upset because one person decided "its too much" and decided to take their own life...bare in mind, of their OWN judgement. Thin the herd, I say. Too much protecting of the weak minded if you think thats EVER the solution to anything, you deserve it.

Posted by The_real_slim_shady - Monday, June 16, 2008 6:47 AM

There should be a way of handling dueche bags that do that, although MySpace should more-or-less try to watch accounts.

Posted by The_real_slim_shady - Monday, June 16, 2008 6:50 AM

I don't see why that Lori person was such an ass, Myspace should watch for letters like the onces she was sending, but yes, as said by money77 it is a good article.

Posted by Nibbins - Monday, June 16, 2008 7:50 AM

@DeeJayX


i agree 100%, thats how we have developed so much as a civilization, cause the weak and dumb died and the strong and smart survived! now in this new day and age the dumb are living alot longer due to all the protections and i say let them die if thats nature, not every kid is smart enough to become an active part of society

Posted by warrenva - Monday, June 16, 2008 7:53 AM

i'm warren van atta. nothing to hide over here.

the implications of what's about to happen within our online world are going to be huge.

good article. hopefully now it has opened the eyes of all these nay sayers. thank you for informing

Posted by Sandrock323 - Monday, June 16, 2008 7:55 AM

I don't like how you mentioned A.D.D. with her depression. A.D.D. is only a problem for those who don't have it and dose not have any connection to suicide. Please leave that bit of info out next time It's like when reporters bring up video games every time a crime is committed. It's a great article, just next time make sure you don't list unnecessary info that misleads people into thinking some thing is important when it has no effect on the outcome. Again good article, I have A.D.H.D. and just wanted to make thing clear on that note. Good job G4, hope to see more articles like this.

Posted by warrenva - Monday, June 16, 2008 7:57 AM

i'm warren van atta. nothing to hide over here.

the implications of what's about to happen within our online world are going to be huge.

good article. hopefully now it has opened the eyes of all these nay sayers. thank you for informing

Posted by warrenva - Monday, June 16, 2008 8:04 AM

i'm warren van atta. nothing to hide over here.

the implications of what's about to happen within our online world are going to be huge.

good article. hopefully now it has opened the eyes of all these nay sayers. thank you for informing

Posted by Reaper_us - Monday, June 16, 2008 8:05 AM

WOW,Thats all i have to say

Posted by milhouse91 - Monday, June 16, 2008 9:00 AM

Where have all of you been? This has been all over news for months now. I hope they fire that bitch up!

Posted by codemonkeypwnz - Monday, June 16, 2008 9:18 AM

Hopefully everyone on the internet well get to start off from a clean slate if those laws pass. Seriously, this is sad but its no crime to be heartless. I hope identities will not have to be tied wiht information on websites. There should be a better structure of laws for the internet but not that far. I am jader dutra and a teen so my identity is worthless too.

Posted by cortomaltesse - Monday, June 16, 2008 9:26 AM

first os all, Lori drew should be in prison, what she did is a type os harrasment and psychological mistreat to an unstable person.

there should be specific laws to protect minors and people with any type of mental and psychological problems. the rest of the people should be left alone.

What I'm trying to say is that the online rules and laws shuold be reinforced so minors, registered sex offenders, people with psycological problems, etc. are forced to identify them self, just like we are ask for an ID in a licor store, or when registered sex offenders have to turn their lights off during halloween. it's not easy to come out with regulations and laws for something virtual, but it has to be done in a way that the real online community is respected and allow to keep all their rights such as anonimity.

my last words are: it should be illegal for an adult to comunicate online with a minor pretending to be another minor.

Posted by Nibbins - Monday, June 16, 2008 9:48 AM

i think people who don't know how to spell Liquor shouldn't be giving really heavy advice.

and (my last words are: it should be illegal for an adult to comunicate online with a minor pretending to be another minor)

thats how they catch sex offenders online IN THE FIRST PLACE! haven't you watched to catch a predator? with chris hanson? are you 12? rofl

Posted by starscream247 - Monday, June 16, 2008 10:03 AM

wow that girl has serious issues she should have deleated her account if she was being bulled on myspace you can go to jail for pushing somebody to comit suicide. that lady is going to hell for murder I hope she has a ugly death

Posted by VariousObjects - Monday, June 16, 2008 10:26 AM

I feel so bad for that girl.

Posted by ExplosionSauce89 - Monday, June 16, 2008 10:31 AM

Honestly? i feel bad for her, but, it shouldnt really have any fact on the internet itself. Because the young girl who died was already messed up in the head. And almost everyone on the internet does stuff like this.

Posted by khiros - Monday, June 16, 2008 10:55 AM

I think what people forget is that the issue really isn't this lady opening an anonymous Myspace account the issue is child endangerment. Her actions directly resulted in a young girl committing suicide. The tools she used to accomplish this are not relevant in my opinion. She could have used a telephone or anything else. Myspace, I'm sure, has the IP address of any account on their servers and could have provided that information to law enforcement and have the cops knock down her door. Just because you use a fake name on the internet doesn't mean you're really anonymous.

Posted by BONERJAM - Monday, June 16, 2008 11:21 AM

I still cannot believe that a grown women would ever find it necessary to involve herself with a stupid teenage feud.

Posted by TREX19 - Monday, June 16, 2008 11:23 AM

I think this is one more incident which proves that many who venture out onto the realm of the interwebs are not prepared for what awaits them in a psychological sense, and are not emotionally equipt to handle what it invariably throws at them. In the case of the girl she is one more instance, however a dramatic one, of how some people can not fully assimilate what they read, see, and hear in a psychologically healthy manner, and in the case of the Lori woman (and every 14 year old on LIVE)how some people are not capable of remaining mature, responsible people when given virtual anonymity.
I don't think anything will come of this though. It is impossible to regulate the internet, countries try and fail every day. Anonymity is not going away, not really. I mean, even if you all knew my name really was Travis Ray it wouldn't mean anything to you because I don't know any of you IRL, and for many people, that's just the same as being anonymous.

Posted by todavialoca - Monday, June 16, 2008 11:43 AM

Her parents also had something to do with it too. She already had problems. She was 13 and on MYSPACE, known for having a lot of problems. Obviously suicidal tendencies don't just show up over night. She was a mess before this came to happen. People are idiots, but should this law pass, it will change a lot of factors that do not need to be changed.

Posted by chykin - Monday, June 16, 2008 12:22 PM

Man... that article got me here *pounds chest*.

Posted by FOUST - Monday, June 16, 2008 12:30 PM

this is a tragic case and my heart goes out to that girl but the only people to blame is her parents by allowing a troubled girl who is suicidal on myspace think of all the f@#%$ stuff that can happen to you a grown adult on the net offering up your 13 year old to the wolves the inter net is no place for a child period blame the parents blame the parents as a parent who is also a cyber child i will learn from this by not letting my daughter use any of that type of website until she is a grown adult who is educated and truly knows the potential dangers stemming from the net ...

Posted by joekickass555 - Monday, June 16, 2008 2:11 PM

wow. i am sorry for them and what they did with the fooseball table is awesome.

Posted by YourSuperman - Monday, June 16, 2008 2:15 PM

Seriously, this is the hardest articles i had to think about. it got EVERYBODY stuck between a rock and a hard place. If the girl gets justice, who knows what kind of real privacy ur gonna be able to actually have. but if they let her off, that would be completely absurd with the fact that everyone knows she did it but they wouldnt be able to do anything about it.. this situation is too dificult

Posted by ryanosis - Monday, June 16, 2008 5:37 PM

I am very sorry about this tragity but I also feel that the parents are a big part in this. There is no way that some one saying those things should cause something like this. Being a teenager is hard but everyone deals with it, and the majority of teens have to deal with depression of some sort. If the parents were doin their job then this girl probly wouldnt have felt she needed to go that far.

Posted by TreeGrl - Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:33 AM

First off the article was a good one BUT!!! how selfish the article became to more be concerned about you f-ing identity and weather or not you can post that your 103 yeras old on your myspace account ? I understand about having avatars with made up identities, I have several But the underline account when you sight up for anything should be true and WE all should be held accountable for things we post on the net ! Now this woman in question, should be held accountable for what happen to this little girl, because it was her words and her encourgement to other minors to harrass this young girl ultimatly caused Megan to make her life ending decision. I have no sympathy for this woman . Imagine if it was your child or your friend , wouldn't you want to know who was to blame , Now this Lori lady didn't physically harm this child but she might as well handed her the belt !

Posted by tailsjacks - Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:40 PM

whens the movie coming out?

Posted by mEm00t - Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:19 PM

Tragic this woman is an evil and show's all that is wrong in society my name is Michael Charles and I have nothing to hide.

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