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Posted by Brian Leahy - Friday, May 30, 2008 10:55 AM

According to MTV Multiplayer, Konami is supposedly asking reviewers to avoid spilling details about Metal Gear Solid 4 in their reviews.

That's understandable for story details to avoid potential spoilers, but they aren't talking about story details.

They are talking about cutscene length and install times. Konami doesn't want reviews to mention these two details about MGS4. Maybe they think gamers will view them as negatives.

We already know that everyone gets into a fanboy fuss over install times on every single PS3 game like it's some big surprise. Get over it. PS3 games are going to use installs.

MTV Multiplayer: Sources: Konami Asked ‘Metal Gear Solid 4′ Reviewers Not To Mention Cut Scene Length And Installation Time

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Posted by devil_boy0318 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:03 AM

iwont care if ms4 needs my 80 gb is worth it
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Posted by kobebryantyanic - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:07 AM

Yes, ps3 games are going to use install. It always make me laugh when fanboys make negative comments on the ps3 about a 7 to 15 minutes install time. They just find any reason they can to bring a system down. By the way, the game scored a 9.9 from ign uk.
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Posted by TheBraddigan - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:08 AM

If you order this MGS4 PS3 Bundle like I plan to: Preinstalled. You know what I'm talking about! Admit it, seems like a good idea.
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Posted by bigmonstefan - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:12 AM

Two words: pc games. Don't get me started on install times. The ps3 is doing just fine.
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Posted by Slaytanic40oz - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:14 AM

Didn't I read on the Feed sometime this week about cut scene lengths? I remember something about a 90min cutscene. I don't remember if it was in the comments section or the post. Does anyone remember (no fanboys)?
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Posted by little_eddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:14 AM

i have a PS3 and i don't understand why games have to install. can anyone answer?
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Posted by TheBraddigan - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:15 AM

Wait, hold on. Can bigmonstefan do that? I mean he said "Two words: PC games." But PC stands for Personal Computer. So thats like three words all together. It's OK guys, we got time to think this out during the install.
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Posted by TheBraddigan - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:17 AM

Slaytanic40oz, this isn't a review so I will tell ya. MULTIPLE 90 minute cut scenes.
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:18 AM

@little_eddy

they install because the blu ray drive is slow its only a 2x so it installs it to cut loading times. it loads outa the harddrive
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:19 AM

haha, afraid of their own product.
for a title thats raving about its "perfect" review scores, why would they be concerned. Unless they ARE negatives.

so basically they want all the good critique, but anything that might look bad they want left out.

thats why I think all these perfect scores are bogus. prolly payoffs.
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Posted by schroetlin - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:21 AM

@little_eddy

with all the data that developers are putting on the Blu Ray format for their games, an instal is needed because if there wasn't an instal of whatever the developer needs, the load times would be outragously long and right now the blue ray drives are just not fast enough to load that much data into the PS3 ram. so an instal is needed to cut back on all that.
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:21 AM

haha, afraid of their own product.
for a title thats raving about its "perfect" review scores, why would they be concerned. Unless they ARE negatives.

so basically they want all the good critique, but anything that might look bad they want left out.

thats why I think all these perfect scores are bogus. prolly payoffs.
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:22 AM

@philhuddy

or maby they just dont want to spoil this game. i mean every ps3 owner is wating for this one same as the 360 owners were waiting for the first gears or even halo 3 would you want to get that game spoiled for you before its even out?
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:25 AM

yeah but wait until you find out the way it's going to use installs....weak on konami's part to ask reviewers not to be critical. it's a review isn't it?
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Posted by CPRxChris - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:26 AM

Not EVERY PS3 game needs an install, more often then not they don't actually...
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Posted by CPRxChris - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:28 AM

@ Philhuddy

Payoffs...don't even talk about that...

EVERY Halo 3 review except Zero Punctuation's (who actually had the balls to say the truth), anyone?
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:29 AM

That doesn't make sense. Games can be reviewed without giving away plot details. The review is to critiscize what is good and bad in the game. I'm sure the game is great. In fact, I'm looking forward to it and for that reason alone will overlook most faults it will / can have. That being said consumers have a right to know details about a purchase. Must be a Japanese thing.
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Posted by Slaytanic40oz - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:29 AM

Multiple 90min cutscenes? Wow. Thanks for answering.
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Posted by CPRxChris - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:30 AM

http://www.escapistmagazine . com/videos/view/zero-punctuati on/8-Halo-3
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:30 AM

@CPRxchris

really which ones im just curious? my 40 gig is just about maxed out as soon as i get metal gear i think my harddrive is gonna be full. ima upgrade soon 250 gig
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:32 AM

@lilRomeo4213

as the article said they arent worried about "story details" leaking. they're concerned about game mechanics, and cut scenes. Both of which are factors that stress gamers out. so they tell reviewers not to mention those parts.

if someone tells you a cutscene is 90 mintues, that dont tell you anythin about its content. but it gives the consumer enough info to know they might not wanna buy the game.
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Posted by willthegreat - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:32 AM

Unfortunately, PS3 installs are becoming the norm. It's not so much the time I care about as much as the space. For one game, it's not too bad, 4-5 GB. But when you have 4-5 games or more installed, it's going to eat your tiny 20, 40, 60, 80 GB hard drive. It's good that PS3 has open hard drive standards for upgrading...
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:33 AM

lol yea Zero Punctuation's review was the only one i heard say bad things about halo 3.
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:34 AM

@philhuddy

ohh i see my bad i thought you were talking about plot wise not detail wise. that one i really could care less if they release or not
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:34 AM

@lilRomeo4213

as the article said they arent worried about "story details" leaking. they're concerned about game mechanics, and cut scenes. Both of which are factors that stress gamers out. so they tell reviewers not to mention those parts.

if someone tells you a cutscene is 90 mintues, that dont tell you anythin about its content. but it gives the consumer enough info to know they might not wanna buy the game.
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Posted by darkmanXL - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:35 AM

The install times have nothing to do with the actual gameplay so I'm guessing that may the reasoning for that.. As for cutscene length, it is part of the game and I for 1 dont care how long they may or may not be.. MGS series has always pushed story to the forefront, & IMO theres not enough of it.. I saw the 9.9 on UK IGN and all I could think about is I want to play the D@mm game & wth caused it to drop .5 Thats a good sign IMO..
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:36 AM

HALO 3 had no install requirements, and nothing close to a 90 minute cut scene. So it's not relevant to this conversation. save it sonyboys.

back to MGS4.

you cant deny that its shady when you tell a reviewer to ignore certain parts of your game that many gamers would consider negative. if you sony boys cant admit that, you're royally riding some kojima sack.
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Posted by Jeff257 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:42 AM

The RUMOR that MGS 4 has 90 min cutscenes has already been debunked weeks ago. Ive seen one review so far that actually did mention length and they stated that some can run over 30 mins. The longest cutscene in a MGS game so far has been 45 mins and honestly I dont mind because after all it is MGS we are talking about.
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Posted by StrongestSaiyan - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:44 AM

I guess people missed the rest of the article about the 90 minutes cutscenes. That report came from only one source and it was not one of the more credible ones.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:46 AM

@Jeff257

Konami pulling crap like this debunks the debunked cutscene issue. I personally don't mind a long cutscene. Some consumers utterly hate it. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Seems like someone is trying to hide that fire.
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Posted by Slaytanic40oz - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:46 AM

Whatever the cutscene length, they can be skipped usually anyway if you're not into that kinda thing. I do have to admit it's a little wierd to say "hey review our game, but don't say anything negative about ________"
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Posted by CPRxChris - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:51 AM

@ lilRomeo4213

Rainbow Six Vegas 1 & 2, Lair, Ratchet and Clank: FtoD, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, and WarHawk just to name a few...
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:53 AM

it's really funny how fast these fanboys will try and smear halo into the mess that surrounds any piece of sony news. it makes me wonder how much other people think about halo because i really don't even think about it unless i'm playing it or someone mentions it. it's become an obsession for some people i guess?
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Posted by kobebryantyanic - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:53 AM

I never heard a reviewer be critical about the ps3 install, instead, they say it's an advantage to the ps3. Only fanboys are critical of the install.
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Posted by CPRxChris - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:55 AM

@ Philhuddy

There is a rumor that M$ wants to add install updates and motion-sensing to the Xbox 360...
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Posted by kobebryantyanic - Friday, May 30, 2008 11:59 AM

By the way, nobody gives a crap about what you 360 fanboys are saying. The game averaged a score of 10 from 2 reviewers. The highest exclusive game rating yet for this generation. What was your lil halo score? gears of war score? You see, the ps3 have plenty of games that will far surpass the 360's library, and mgs4 is just the beginning.
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:03 PM

The 90 minute cut scenes was a rumor...

Who cares... the only ones making this a big deal is x-bots.... they want reviews to be about the game... not stuff that doesn't affect the game.... MGS having long cut scenes is no secret... but to tell the story correctly they need them. Installing the game has absolutely nothing to do with the game; hence there is no reason to bring it up in a review...
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:08 PM

@CPRxChris

what's your point?
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:11 PM

@Slaytanic40oz

they didn't say you can't give it a bad review or say something negative about it.... they just don't want crap reviews only talking about install time and CS length... review the game.
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Posted by CPRxChris - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:13 PM

@ philhuddy

Your were talking about installs before....
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Posted by WhereAmI1980 - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:13 PM

you know, most of the reviews I read, they have said that they can't tell you the length of the cutscenes, but some of the cutscenes are very long, which is a norm for the series.

whats the difference??????

so i don't see why this is big news!! most reviewers have already told you that they can't talk about it but they tell you that there are long cutscenes!!!

And wasn't that 90 minutes cutscene(hearsay) debunked???? Maybe thats why Konami doesn't want the legnth to be revealed... because of one rumor, you had stupid fanboys B*tch a fit....
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:14 PM

the implications of how shady this might be are appalling but no one actually wants to discuss it? totally figures though ;)
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:16 PM

okay hey seriously guys this has turned into another ps3 vs xbox 360 war that will allways goes without a winner G4 loves this kinda stuff so peace guys no more flaming
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Posted by darkmanXL - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:16 PM

@staychisel

I agree why ppl keep mentioning Halo is weird.. we're talking about MGS4.

@Ulrichgaming

You're right about that, MGS 4 is a technical acheivement and masterpiece (how the review describes it) the presentation is flawless & 1 of the best looking games to date.. Cutscenes & install times have nothing to do w/the gamplay.. The CS' can be skipped and the load allows for faster loads etc.. Ppl down the game bcuz they may or may not be 360 fanboys or they might not get to play it but this is a FACT we have VERY STRONG candidate for GoTY, so lets enjoy it..
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Posted by WhereAmI1980 - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:17 PM

^why are you here.... 360 fanboys even hate you...
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM

@staychisel

thats what im saying man. they all wanna sidetrack the issue at hand.

G4 just had a video talking about "Exclusive reviews" and it questioned the credibility of them. This is on the same topic. If you want your product reviewed, let it be reviewed completely, and don't try to "censor" what the consumer knows.
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Posted by PSN_Sonicshot213 - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM

lol laterz im outs gonna get some nachos from taco bell peace!!!
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Posted by WhereAmI1980 - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:19 PM

I meant at staychisel, not lilRomeo4213
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Posted by etooley7845 - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:23 PM

"you cant deny that its shady when you tell a reviewer to ignore certain parts of your game that many gamers would consider negative. if you sony boys cant admit that, you're royally riding some kojima sack."

Agreed.
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:23 PM

@staychisel

shady?

the only ones that want to discuss this is x-bots... who aren't even going to play the game... but ok lets talk about it...

cut scenes.... yep there will be some long ones... but that's a MGS norm... so already a mute point...

Game install.... yep already figured that... kind of the norm for big games... so again a mute point....

so what do you want to talk about?
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Posted by Slaytanic40oz - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:25 PM

@ Ulrich
I'm just saying it might be to their benefit to come out and say these things. I'm looking forward to MGS4 and was of the impression that there were 90min cutscenes (until this where you guys showed me that wasn't true). Other people obviously believed the same thing. It'd be nice for them to come out and just tell us so the rumors go away, or let the reviewers tell us. Xbots are gonna be xbots no matter what happens, but people with 360s who aren't xbots and PS3 owners might wanna know these things. Anyway I dont wanna drag this out into anything dumb, so I'ma stop here.
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:28 PM

the fact that konami possibly asked reviewers to leave out those details. that is shady no matter how you spin it. i even read about one magazine who wouldn't review the game because of certain restrictions konami was asking for, i really don't recall the publication but kudos to them for having some integrity if all of this is true.
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Posted by djHaQ - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:29 PM

Cutscenes can be paused and skipped. I see no reason why mentioning the length of non-cut scenes or install times would affect reviews negatively because of this.
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:30 PM

and just for the record, when someone disses sony, they arent necessarily an xbot. I have a effin ps3 and barely turn it on. not every single ps3 owner enjoys the MG series. I never enjoyed any of the games. so open your eyes. there's even 360 owners who diss on microsoft. you sony-dick-riders come up with the worst ligic to back up your points.
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:30 PM

@philhuddy, yeah real case of denial IMO
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:34 PM

@etooley7845

ok does a initial load time affect the game in a negative way? do cut scenes length affect the game in a negative way?.... The answer is no... they want reviewers to talk about the game and what matters... instead of stupid stuff that only x-bot nation would care about... there is a culture difference too that we could get into... but that's completely above your trailer trash @$$
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:38 PM

@ulrichgaming

the game has already got rave reviews on the gameplay, 10's in fact, so WHAT do they have to hide?

outta some 80 comments on this article not ONE person has been able to answer that. You sony fans say how these two things "don't matter to gameplay, are expected of a MGS game, blah blah blah". But you still havent even touched on why they have these restrictions....

come on...all you sony fan boys are so smart. answer that one. If KONAMI is worried about it, it must be a significant factor of some sort.
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Posted by grunto - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:38 PM

OMG INSTALL!!! I cant believe a possible GOTY winner requires install, its an outrage.(Back to reality) OMG IM STOKED. Idc how long install time is its gonna be worth it. And the 90 min cutscenes big woop, ever heard of skipping them? Oh, wait all these hatreds and negatives are coming from people who have never played a PS3 game or MGS game period. Shut up and dont talk crap about something u have no knowledge of.

And I think Konami wants it censored because based on all the hype, this game has HUGE shoes to fill. And Konami doesnt want any1 over exaturating the negatives of Cutscene length and Install time, "Dont judge a book buy its cover" right? Another thing about install. Who cares how long it takes, u could go b-room, shower, mow the lawn, eat dinner etc... For the love of god install is not a hastle, its a blessing. I actually have 8 minutes to go outside and live a normal life lol(sarcasm).
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Posted by Shysun - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:39 PM

Dont care, I BUYING THIS GAME!
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:40 PM

@Slaytanic40oz

it's cool but if your into the game and the story then what does it matter...
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Posted by philhuddy - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:42 PM

the ppl that say installs dont matter are the same ppl who say multi-discs would be xbox's downfall.

if you can handle an hour long install, why would microsoft suffer cuase it cant fit your stupid blu-ray information on an extra disc?

hearin you sony-jocks makes me ashamed to even own a ps3.
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:43 PM

@philhuddy

then WTF are you doing in this forum?
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:44 PM

so technical aspects of a game should not be talked about?

i would consider length of cut scenes (if a significant factor in a game) and multiple game installs (again if significant factor in a game) to definitely be something that a reviewer should consider. if cut scenes are half of a game, then yeah they should be relevant to someone's professional opinion of what they think of the game.
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Posted by LittleWeapon - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:45 PM

@ ulrichgaming
It's not about what they want to leave out.
It's just not right to say don't mention this cause they might think it's bad.
That's like a judge now wanting to here the whereabouts of a man because the jury might find someone not guilty if they here it.
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Posted by LittleWeapon - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:47 PM

@ ulrichgaming
It's not about what they want to leave out.
It's just not right to say don't mention this cause they might think it's bad.
That's like a judge now wanting to here the whereabouts of a man because the jury might find someone not guilty if they here it.
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Posted by LittleWeapon - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:48 PM

Double post FTW
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Posted by _wiiPlay360BEATCH - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:49 PM

They wouldent care if it was multiplatform would i buy this for the xbox no. but maybe somebody with a xbox.
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:57 PM

@philhuddy

Disk space talk now....?

back to your question.... they probably brought it up after that false info about multiple 90 minute CS's that is most likely why they brought it up....

there is a difference between a 5-15 minute (not hour) install and multi disk games.... if you can't figure that out... then there is no hope for you...

Oh and do us all a favor and sell your PS3... we really don't need any x-bot retards playing games on PSN... stick to XBL with all the other tards...
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Posted by drcocoapuff - Friday, May 30, 2008 12:58 PM

@philbuddy

JESUS IS THIS SERIOUSLY THAT BIG OF AN ORDEAL? This is getting soooooooooooooooooooooo effing old, just SHUTUP already. If you don't have an interest in the game the shut up. You've clearly stated you're not a fan of the series so you probably don't know anything about it. Unless someone here is Kojima then we don't effing know why they want the cutscenes scensored. It may be for some obvious reason but it might also be for something more serious, maybe they just don't want the stuff released for the hell of it, NO ONE KNOWS! SHUT UP!
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:01 PM

@Ulrichgaming

Dude, I enjoy your posts. But I must point out some faults.

1. Nobody disagrees that loading a game on a HDD is negative
2. I like long cutscenes and games that are story heavy. Like MG. Not all gamers care for that.
3. Given that you state these two things are indeed positives and can spin no ill towards MGS4, why exactly do you think Konami said don't mention anything of the sort?

A well thought out answer besides "it won't affect the game". By that logic loading it and 2 second cutscenes will make the game just as good. Seriously, ask yourself why a company wouldn't want you to know fundamentals about a product they want you to buy. Despite the faults this game WILL have, I'm gonna get it. It will be the first time in awhile I'll use my PS3. If you think withholding information no matter what it is makes a review honest and unbiased, then I can't help ya. You ride the sack as someone else said.
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Posted by Razorhell - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:03 PM

Why! Screw You Konami! Screw You!
I Would see the cut scenes, But No!
You Decide to F%#@ Everything Up For this Upcoming game!
I Would By this Game to Complete MGS Series, if there's anything wrong about this,
I'LL SUE YOU!!!
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Posted by Slaytanic40oz - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:03 PM

@ Ulrich:

It doesn't really matter to me, but look at all the crap going down right now over it. It's not as bad as the Kane and Lynch fiasco, but theres still this unnecessary attempt at partial censorship that nobody is going to like.

fwiw: I don't care about install time (i can walk away from the tv) and if the cutscene is too long there's the option of skipping it. Luckily its Friday and I'll have forgotten everything by the time i hit the bar. Piece.
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:05 PM

who said there is only one install?
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:05 PM

staychisel says:

"would consider length of cut scenes (if a significant factor in a game) and multiple game installs (again if significant factor in a game) to definitely be something that a reviewer should consider. if cut scenes are half of a game, then yeah they should be relevant to someone's professional opinion of what they think of the game."

multiple game installs.... are you on some sort of drug.... I hope so because otherwise you are one messed up dude.... I'm not going to go into how a one time game install at the beginning of the game has nothing to do with how the game should be reviewed.

you can review the cut scenes... no one said you can't.... KONAMI just didn't want a list of how long each cut scene is throughout the game.... that would have zero to do with a review...
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:19 PM

@Smartguy81

see my 12:57 post... that would be my guess.... it's also a foreign company... so culturally they could see things a different way... come on they just saw Haze get destroyed within a couple hours.... which Haze was a bomb... compared to it's hype... even so that may give a foreign company a little pucker factor.... and again it was a request... reviewers can do what ever they want....
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:24 PM

@staychisel

Why start saying random crap.... I know where you’re going with this... go ahead start your rant on how MGO is a separate game... blah blah blah....
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:26 PM

ignorance is bliss ;)
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Posted by bapesta - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:28 PM

why do people care about install time, you cant wait a small amount of time to platy your game when you get it, the idea of people not buying a game or liking it less because of install time is stupid
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:34 PM

@Ulrichgaming

True. I'm sure they are worried that reviewers will butcher their game. Such is the nature of all entertainment industries though. Comes with the territory. Eventhough it could be a cultural thing, it is no excuse.
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Posted by JTHMROCKS - Friday, May 30, 2008 1:59 PM

Eurogamer gave it an 8/10
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Posted by T_Bone_1976 - Friday, May 30, 2008 2:06 PM

@staychisel

It is funny how people bring up halo. It's almost as funny as the XBox fanboys that troll on all of the PS3 forums/news and spout stupid comments.

Get a life.
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Posted by JTHMROCKS - Friday, May 30, 2008 2:07 PM

Hey PS3 fanbiys troll on the xbox forums too.

YOU get a life.
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Posted by xeno975 - Friday, May 30, 2008 2:28 PM

cuz install time and cutscene length has nothing to do with the gameplay cuz if that was so they would rate every PC game cuz of that. cuz for example like a MMO like war craft or FFXi. those had some long ass cut scenes as well as install times. and not just the PC, but for the 360 and also ps2 (talking bout FFXI) but they didnt bring that up in the review for those games. so why bring i up for this, theres no point. and when reviewers do bring up stuff like that it does make it seem like a negative, which it isnt.
iono just my two cents
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 2:54 PM

well word on the street is that there is definitely more than one install but hey, it's really up to you to decide if that matters or not...and konami :P
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Posted by Bookshelf - Friday, May 30, 2008 3:18 PM

@staychisel
yes its a review but the review needs to be about the game, not about the console.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Friday, May 30, 2008 3:25 PM

and for the A-hole who said EuroGamer gave MGS4 a 80, keep in mind those same people game Gears of War an 80 as well.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Friday, May 30, 2008 3:26 PM

and for the A-hole who said EuroGamer gave MGS4 a 80, keep in mind those same people game Gears of War an 80 as well.
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Posted by darkmanXL - Friday, May 30, 2008 4:00 PM

@staychisel

Your really passionate about this install thing huh?? Your really reaching, can't really say anything bad so your gonna hammer a install that'll take lets say 15mins out of like a 30hr+game.. Is it that serious? I'm all for 360 & Ps3 I enjoy both consoles but you need help man.. And "word on the streets" WHO are you getting your info from??
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Posted by T_Bone_1976 - Friday, May 30, 2008 4:01 PM

@JTHMROCKS

Don't get mad because I told your buddy to get a life. If it touched a nerve with you, then you fit into the target group that I'm talking about. I'm just saying that the fanboys, on all sides, need to get off the forums. I do seem to see a lot more animosity from XBots, however, trying to prove that their system is the best. It's almost as if they are trying to justify their purchase, while the real gamers on all sides just play and enjoy their respective systems,and have competent and relevent discussions about upcoming games/peripherals on their platforms. staychisel likes to go on the forums and run his mouth so to speak, under the guise of being in the know, when his blatent fanboyism shows thru. So I say it again, GET A LIFE.
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Posted by darkmanXL - Friday, May 30, 2008 4:03 PM

@staychisel

Your really passionate about this install thing huh?? Your really reaching, can't really say anything bad so your gonna hammer a install that'll take lets say 15mins out of like a 30hr+game.. Is it that serious? I'm all for 360 & Ps3 I enjoy both consoles but you need help man.. And "word on the streets" WHO are you getting your info from?? Multi installs? somehow I doubt that..
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 4:13 PM

i'll be laughing at all of you in less than 2 weeks because i don't make stuff up that i present on this site. you will mandatory install before the start of EACH chapter in mgs4 and the cut-scenes take up over half of the game. does it make the game any less awesome? hell no! but my complaint is that konami does not want you to know these facts for obvious reasons.
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Posted by darkmanXL - Friday, May 30, 2008 4:27 PM

@staychisel

Ok still where are you getting this from?? You can laugh if you want but we will be enjoying the game, you refuse to acknowledge anything having to do w/gameplay.. You wanna focus on installs even in there are multiples its a small part of a huge game..
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Friday, May 30, 2008 4:35 PM

ign uk and eurogamer

and i actually clearly stated none of this would make the game less awesome, just shady on konami's part.
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Posted by maque - Friday, May 30, 2008 6:27 PM

Its funny that you idiots(ie Staychisel) bring up installs. Its also funny that the PS3 had faster load times in GTA4 because of it. Btw it took about 5 minutes. BTW the blu-ray might have a slower read speed. But the amount of data it reads at one time is greater.
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Posted by tailsjacks - Friday, May 30, 2008 7:12 PM

its just like the two disc box set? 2discs/installs
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Posted by Roy2008 - Friday, May 30, 2008 7:37 PM

@little_eddy

Sony mainly has Installations for faster loading times and graphiv reasons....

some ppl may not like it but id rather have a game load faster....Once your done with the game you can always delete it...its like a Pc, you have to install.
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Posted by Trikkey - Friday, May 30, 2008 8:40 PM

Multiple installs my ass.Cant wait to pick this up.Install wise if 360 had that option their games would use an install as well but not all 360 have a hdd.Btw anyone looking to buy a 40 gig ps3 im trading up to the 80gig bundle.Had a house fire lost my 60 :(
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Posted by Trikkey - Friday, May 30, 2008 8:46 PM

As far as the article content Konami asked reviewers not to focus on cutscene length.They are not censoring any reviewer all this bs about konami being shady is just stupid.Anyone can review the game and give it a 2 of 10 because of long cutscenes.Konami has no control to stop them.Yea that mag or sight might lose konami advertising dollars but there are plenty of companies to take their place
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Posted by Trikkey - Friday, May 30, 2008 8:49 PM

I would also prefer an install as opposed to popup when im playing.This popup is not just a ps3 prob before some1 says it is buildings pop up in gta4 for 360
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Posted by Trikkey - Friday, May 30, 2008 8:56 PM

100th post heres to hoping firmware 2.4 includes in game xmb access looks likely from rumors and halfass confirmations
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Posted by JTHMROCKS - Friday, May 30, 2008 9:56 PM

Bookshelf
Thanks for calling me an A-Hole...thanks...way to keep it civilized.

U seem to be upset at the 8/10 Otherwise U wouldnt have jumped my gun.

PS...I AM NOT A BIG GEARS FAN. I wouldve given it an 8/10 too. Campaign was good, just short and the online was hard for me to get into.

T_Bone_1976
U didnt touch a nerve with me. Im just stating that the fanboys evade both forums. Dont complain about one without addressing about the other.
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Posted by T_Bone_1976 - Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:18 AM

@JTHMROCKS

Point taken, although I don't see the PS3 fanboys on XBOX forums because I don't read them. Fanboyism is for losers, no matter which system they stand behind.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:39 AM

The whole point of this forum thread was misconstrued early on. The point is, does Konami have the right to tell an independent reviewer what to include and what not to include? Honestly if you only want a part or most of your product reviewed, then only provide that part. The game will sell no matter what people say about it. As far as why they want it left out is anyone's guess, and just speculation. Konami should have just done the smart thing and released the game to public and private parties at the same time.
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:35 AM

none of you seem to be able to comprehend what i just said: multiple game installs for mgs4 before each chapter begins. not just one but MULTIPLE. how is that different from changing discs? please answer me that!
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Posted by Mickit - Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:01 AM

What else will I fill my free 35 gigs with? Nothing, give me installs so I can have faster load times, no problem for me.
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Posted by husker_360 - Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:47 AM

Hahaha...I have arrived!!!

Why are PS3 fanboys always on their heels in these forums lol? It seems like they all predict the end of the 360, yet they always end up being attacked, and they have nothing to respond with but insults...

Staychisel so far has presented the most logical information. He brings up an excellent point. If you install after EVERY chapter, how is this any different than the time it takes to change discs?
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Posted by husker_360 - Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:53 AM

Hahaha...I have arrived!!!

Why are PS3 fanboys always on their heels in these forums lol? It seems like they all predict the end of the 360, yet they always end up being attacked, and they have nothing to respond with but insults...

Staychisel so far has presented the most logical information. He brings up an excellent point. If you install after EVERY chapter, how is this any different than the time it takes to change discs?
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:16 AM

^haha...you're right about them being on their heels, high heels to be exact!

here's some more juiciness i dug up from ign uk:

"One of those things that Konami doesn't want us to talk about is the 'total length of cut-scenes'. Hopefully it won't be bending the rules too far to reveal that they represent about half of the content of the game."
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Posted by husker_360 - Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:51 PM

lol High heeled fanboys.

Hmm... 50% cutscenes...10% install time...
= 40% gameplay? I'm pretty sure that knocks them out of the "Game of the Year" category. Maybe they can go into the "Interactive movie of the year" field.

ign uk cracks me up, they really tell it as it is.
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Posted by Krazy_K - Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:14 PM

I could careless about the length of cutscenes and the install time, MGS4 will rock no matter what.
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Posted by blakseed - Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:56 PM

@ staychisel
Arent you tired yet man. your loyal ill give you that. its to draining for me.
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Posted by blakseed - Saturday, May 31, 2008 5:58 PM

husker360
deez nuts.
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Posted by OuterHeavenPretender - Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:12 PM

I dont get why the 360 doesnt have these long installs. Is the PS3 really that much different of a console? Is it the bluray? I only had 1 game on the 360 do an install, and it took about 10seconds. I realize the PS3 will always be that way but i just want to know why its like that.
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Posted by ironcock - Sunday, June 1, 2008 3:10 AM

@everyone---
konami doesent want newcomers to the metal gear franchise to immediately decide upon hearing the words “90 minute cutscene” to not buy the game, THATS IT. nothing shady, its not rocket surgery . i have never played the MGS series, and 30 minute cutscenes seem kinda lame @gaychisel---you actually kinda make a valid point about the installs- heres whats different- you only hafta install it once, that means when you play the game the second time---no install.
no one would argue about this game being the biggest, most ambitious game in the history of mankind. wtf do you expect? no installs? imagine what FF13 is gonna look like...and the remake of FF7, you xbots dont even have a game that i would compare with that. gears 2= AWESOME game, your only great exclusive. FF7=THE BEST GAME EVER MADE period. as i recall, that game had a cutscene or 2. But when that drops you guys wont want that either. youll just bitch and whine about the cutscenes and installs.
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Posted by ironcock - Sunday, June 1, 2008 3:20 AM

do you think xplay wont take cutscene length into consideration? its their job to be unbiased, and leahy is the MOST unbiased reporter/blogger i can think of. hes as trustworthy and uncorruptable as an NBA ref. seriously, its their job to be unbiased. get ready for a big 5 out of 5, anyone wanna bet it wont get a 5?? put your money down gaychizzle fo shizzle, your parents work hard for it... seriously chisel i love you.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Sunday, June 1, 2008 9:23 AM

Ironcock:

You still missed the whole point here. If they are so worried about it, they shouldn't present it to be reviewed before the public can buy it. Maybe they should have just made it differently (which would piss me off). I think Metal Gear has a solid fan base who will buy it no matter what. Those are the people you are gonna make your money from. Not the .4% extra consumer base you might attract.

Bottomline: Some people just wanna put the disk in and play. Some people want installs. Some people want 20 second cutscenes while others salivate over the nintey minute possibility. Regardless, the gameplay, story, install, cutscene length, presentation and graphics are all factors that are taken into being reviewed. The game will be good, but Konami must think it has a flaw.
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Posted by disturbedemon - Sunday, June 1, 2008 5:38 PM

yup they dont wanna scare away potential buyers, not the loosers who still like old tired ass metal gear, i mean the ones who might buy it or might not.

why else whould they specificly state not to mention those certain details ?

but it doesn't matter really, mgs4 will still sell alot cuz it's more less the only game ps3 owers have to buy which is sad....a crappy 90 year old snake in his hopefully final apperence in a video game.

good riddance.
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Posted by ironcock - Monday, June 2, 2008 6:01 AM

@smartguy
that was actually a well thought out and very objective opinion, im proud of you
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Posted by Ulrichgaming - Monday, June 2, 2008 7:39 AM

@smartguy

but what if this is all just made up... a rumor spread around the net...

even if they did ASK this oh well... it's not the first time or last time for sure... that this will happen...
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Monday, June 2, 2008 8:49 AM

@Ulrichgaming, it's not made up. do you ever read anything before you speak? EGM didn't even review this game because of the restrictions konami wanted. i think it will cause a minor backlash by actual gamers when this comes out. i say minor because some fanboys are in denial about the whole thing.
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