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Casual vs Hardcore Games

Posted by Joe Paulding - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:01 AM

These days, it’s impossible to ignore casual games. With the popularity of the Wii, and with Microsoft and Sony expanding their downloadable content offerings, casual gaming is growing into much more than just a niche market. However, this growth may come with a cost. As more money is made off casual gaming it's possible developers will begin investing a bigger percentage of their budget into their games. And this begs the question, will the growth in casual gaming be detrimental to the traditional, hardcore gamer?

 
A Growing Divide
 
Back in 1985, when the Nintendo Entertainment System was released, video games were simpler and much more accessible. Controllers had a D-pad and two buttons. Graphics were mostly limited to blocky side-scrollers and games with top down views. Press ‘A’, and you jump. Press ‘B’, and you shoot. Ask most girls in their mid twenties, and they’ll tell you they loved Super Mario Brothers 3 or Bubble Bobble. It was a simpler time, when games were primarily marketed to children, and they were easy enough that your sister could jump in for a few hours and not be intimidated.

But slowly games evolved. The Super Nintendo added ‘X’ and ‘Y’ buttons along with ‘L’ and ‘R’ buttons on the top of the controller. Pretty soon you had dual analog sticks along with your D-Pad and as many as four triggers. Games became 3D, and PC gaming took off with twitchy first person shooters and real time strategy games so complex they would take weeks to truly master. If you were a teenage boy learning and growing with each new trend and addition, you could keep up. But everyone else who just had a passing interest in video games was left behind to play their old consoles or maybe even a web based flash game.
 
Games are now truly marketed to a hardcore audience. Games like Grand Theft Auto and Gears of War are mature, violent, and complex. We here at G4 and other gamers like us are thrilled to have such engaging and interactive experiences, and publishers are thrilled that we are buying them by the millions.
 
However, recently there has been a shift in the gaming landscape. With the introduction of the Nintendo Wii in late 2006, controls on a console were simplified for the first time ever. High-end graphics were not made a priority. And suddenly, people’s grandparents were playing Wii Sports. Stories from across the country told of entire families spending their Thanksgiving eating turkey and playing the Wii together. The Wii (along with the handheld DS) sold like crazy, broadening the gaming market to groups much larger than just men under the age of 35. Game makers took notice, and this development may force them to shift their strategies in response.
 
Hard To Be Hardcore
 

The number of traditional of hardcore gamers is significant. The Playstation 2 sold over 120 million units, and both the X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 are selling rapidly in the current console war. However, while the install base of potential users is high, the development cost of games has skyrocketed. It is commonly estimated that a triple A title on either the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 costs between $15-20 million to develop. All it takes is for one game to flop and a studio can find itself in financial trouble. For example, Clover Studios, makers of Viewtiful Joe and the critically acclaimed Okami, was shut down in 2006 after its games just didn’t sell.

 

With games like the annual Madden sequel always amongst the best sellers, it often doesn’t make sense for big publishers who are beholden to the demands of shareholders to risk a huge amount of money on an original idea. Therefore, the hardcore gamer suffers as they are subjected to sequel after sequel of established IPs. Granted, we aren’t complaining about Call of Duty 4 or Halo 3, but good original games are what bring new players into the gaming audience. A game like Gears of War or Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune could appeal to someone who has never been that into games before, and as soon as they buy a system, it expands the market and lessens a developer’s risk.
 
In addition, developers must be cautious in designing their games. While gamers often want either increased realism or fantasy levels of gore and violence, opportunistic politicians and uninformed media are quick to attack them as immoral. Part of the problem is that many people over the age of 40 believe that games are for kids, while a huge number of men over the age of 18 actually play them. It creates a problem when developers can’t create the mature games that their audience desires without subjecting themselves to attack. With all of the controversy that followed the GTA: San Andreas Hot Coffee mod, and the banning of Manhunt 2 in various countries; it’s safer for developers to create simple, family friendly games and not risk a backlash.
 
Casual Is In
 
“Casual games are really, really big. You can tell just by the size of the room we're in this year. The point here is we have the opportunity to elevate video games to become a first-tier form of entertainment, like TV. We will have succeeded when 'casual games' goes away as a category and 'hardcore games' is the niche."
 
--PlayFirst CEO John Welch at this years Game Developer’s Conference Casual Games Summit. (Via Gamespot.com)
 
 
While casual games have had some success in the past (such as EA’s The Sims franchise), it hasn’t been until recently that they have become fully “mainstream.” The primary facilitator of this new wave of gaming is the Nintendo Wii, which, through its pack-in title Wii Sports, has made gaming accessible to young and old alike. In addition, the positive media blitz that Nintendo has received has elevated the Wii’s status as not only an excellent casual gaming device, but as the must-have toy of the past two holiday seasons. With sales outperforming those of the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 every month since launch, the developers have taken notice of Nintendo’s little white box, and are shifting strategy to support the system. Mini game collections have been released by the boatload, leaving owners of the system who prefer more intricate games questioning if they should have purchased a 360 or PS3 instead.
 
However, both Sony and Microsoft have made in-roads in the casual games market. Microsoft has been touting the Xbox Live Arcade from day 1 of the 360’s launch, and a number of solid downloadable titles have been released. In addition, a key component of Microsoft’s Press Conference at the just completed GDC focused on the community developed XNA games, which are simpler games created by independent developers. Sony, on the other hand, is heavily promoting its upcoming customizable, side scrolling platformer Little Big Planet, and is developing its own downloadable content, led by Echocrome. It is clear that no one can afford to ignore casual gaming, although both Sony and Microsoft are still primarily focused on cultivating their hard-core audience.
 
In addition, there has been a growth in games that bridge the gap between the casual and hardcore audiences. Guitar Hero and Rock Band are instrumental in bringing these two distinct groups together. Rock Band is especially accessible, as hard and expert guitar and drums will provide a challenge to most avid gamers, while you can also usually get just about any girl at a party to pick up the mic and sing a few songs. The developers at Harmonix are very aware of the broad appeal of their game, as they have been releasing downloadable songs from bands like The Police and The Ramones that appeal to an older audience, while also unleashing the occasional chick rock track for the ladies. Another game with the potential to be appealing to all gamers is Spore. This giant upcoming game from the creators of The Sims promises immeasurable amounts of user created content along with varied gameplay that will hopefully provide something for everybody.
 
A Hard To The Core Industry
 
While the case is compelling for casual games to one day rule the gaming world, there are a few simple reasons why this may never happen. One is that casual gamers tend to buy one or two games and play them for a long time, while the core gaming audience purchases many, many more. So far, no game has managed to captivate the audience that plays The Sims with a new franchise. Also the Xbox 360 has the highest attach rate of games purchased in history, while the Nintendo has struggled to sell additional software for the Wii. So while it may seem like there is this vast untapped audience of casual gamers out there, they may be just like MMO gamers and only play one or two games.
 
Hardcore gamers, on the other hand, buy games. Gears of War has sold over 4.5 million copies. Super Mario Galaxy has sold over 5 Million. Call of Duty 4 has sold over 7 million copies across all platforms. Resistance: Fall of Man and Motorstorm sold over 2 million. Halo 3 is over 8 million. Smaller games like Dead Rising, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and Crackdown all broke a million. And all of this has happened while the next-gen systems are still growing their install base. While a few casual games like Mario Party, Big Brain Academy and WarioWare: Smooth Moves have broken through with excellent sales figures, they are all first party Nintendo titles. So far, 3rd party publishers have not found a way to sell or market their games to casual gamers.
 
Another issue is that at this current stage, many casual games just aren’t very good. While there have been numerous mini game collections released on the Wii since its launch, most of them are mediocre to bad. Just one look at the aggregate scores of Nintendo Wii games on Metacritic.com, and you will see that many developers have been looking to quickly cash in on the Wii craze. Thankfully most gamers are smart enough to do their homework on games or at least try before they buy. As time goes on, developers will figure out that if they are going to appeal to a casual market, they need to develop games that, while accessible, are just as well made and engaging as the top titles on the market today.
 
In the end, the hardcore audience is rabid, always seeking the next big game, while the casual audience is still finding its way. Some day, casual gamers might be clued in to the point where they are looking for the big game, but as that happens, there is also a good chance they will start looking for deeper, more challenging games (and hence become a little more ‘hardcore’).
 
Can We Be Friends?
 
In the end, it’s likely that both casual and hardcore gamers can peacefully coexist. There is still too much money to be made cranking out epic games like Final Fantasy and Metal Gear for that market to be ignored. At the same time, it is possible that some developers will shift their strategy to target newer, casual markets. In the long run, the emergence of casual gamers can only be good for the gaming industry, as it will bring in more fans, more money, and more talent to create great games. Besides, wouldn’t it be great if your parents understood what you are wasting all of your time doing?
 
As gaming as an entertainment medium continues to grow, there may exist a future where the industry mirrors that of television and movies. Some games will be big budget summer blockbusters. Others will be indy sleeper hits. And others will fulfill the need of those who would rather just casually watch a romantic comedy.

Comment(s)


Posted by nyadt - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:25 AM
real classy pix on the left. XP

Posted by datdude5620 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:26 AM
i think casual gaming will not hurt hardcore gaming. studios and game devs will always have to appeal to the core gamer because we are the people who made gaming popular in the first place. a casual gamer might play at a friends or maybe even buy a system and rent games from time to time but the core gamer is the one buying the games, the strategy guides, the controllers, the headsets etc. i think there's room for both type of games in the market as long as big hardcore titles continue to sell.

Posted by 8IronBob - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:27 AM
Even with the popularity of Grand Theft Auto IV upcoming, as well as those that are on the market for hardcore gamers like Halo 3, Gears of War, Bioshock, Crysis, and the like, there are still games that will keep the hardcore crowd around for years to come. However, you are right about the casual crowd. With the popularity of the Wii, as well as downloadable games on both the PS3 and the X360, as well as the DS for handheld gaming, that may be the target to bring back simpler games, and rebuild the gaming industry for EVERYONE, and not just a niche market, as you said.

Posted by Tribute - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:30 AM
Wow, this is truly a great article. It really opened my eyes to what is really happening to the current gaming market. Being a hardcore PC gamer, I buy all of the top rated shooters and rts's, but also many, many independent games. I logged onto Steam on Tuesday morning and saw that this game "Audiosurf" was coming out on that Friday. I read a little about it, and looked for the demo. There was none to be seen, but I bought it anyway. Not only to I like to support developers like this, but I enjoy playing games that are truly individual.

**Will be continued

Posted by Tribute - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:31 AM
* Continued

Without games with such originality, we won't ever have any changes in our games, besides the occasional better graphics. With the NES, games were dirt cheap to develope and every single one was an original concept. You may not have heard of games like River City Ransom, or Freedom Force, but these games were definitely influential towards the games on the market today.

River City Ransom was the first free roaming game to my knowledge. You could use anything as a weapon, a garbage can, or even a park bench. This game laid the groundwork for Grand Theft Auto.

**Will be continued

Posted by Tribute - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:32 AM
* Continued

Freedom Force was a shooting game which required the Zapper. This game was what started a game called Area-51, they have basically the same concept, besides the fact that in one you are shooting terrorists, and in the other you are shooting aliens. Then, these eventually spawned Time Crisis.

Without these two games, we would be missing out on some of the greatest games today. So, go out, and find all the new and original games you can, and support these amazing developers, because who knows... maybe the game you are buying now, could provide the base for the greatest game in history.

*End

Posted by earthmonkeyy - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:50 AM
How many times can you rehash this article??
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Posted by Asrugan - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:04 AM
As the consumer base for games grows, the market grows, as does the cash going into that market. This will mean more casual games will come out since the casual gaming market is where the growth is, but in the long run comapnies still recognize gamers as a buying demographic, so it will help as well with the more hardcore gamers.

Posted by 8IronBob - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:05 AM
Even with the popularity of Grand Theft Auto IV upcoming, as well as those that are on the market for hardcore gamers like Halo 3, Gears of War, Bioshock, Crysis, and the like, there are still games that will keep the hardcore crowd around for years to come. However, you are right about the casual crowd. With the popularity of the Wii, as well as downloadable games on both the PS3 and the X360, as well as the DS for handheld gaming, that may be the target to bring back simpler games, and rebuild the gaming industry for EVERYONE, and not just a niche market, as you said.

Posted by earthmonkeyy - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:12 AM
How many times can you rehash this article??

Posted by magic1264 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:17 AM
Hardcore 4 life, down with casual "carebears"

Posted by Bookshelf - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:31 AM
@Tribute

excellent points.

Posted by paulthebest - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:39 AM
I find this article's definition and use of "hardcore" wrong. Chasing down sequel after sequel does not make a gamer hardcore. IMO hardcore gamers are defined by two traits; one is that they actively seek out new and interesting ideas in gaming. This typically is not found in sequels of existing franchises. Second is that hardcore gamers never declare which is the "best" console, hardcore gamers are only interested in software (games) and do not limit themselves to a piece of propietary hardware. Other than that, not a bad article.
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Posted by tarshimo - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:52 AM
down with casual ( I own a wii but only have like 3 games, and never play it. I play metroid and zelda) go hardcore.

Posted by MaxDragon7 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:43 AM
Comment: Well said posting by *jpaulding*!

Posted by StrongestSaiyan - Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:44 AM
I think that the idea about the casual one's not buying that many games is pretty accurate. Plenty of my coworkers have played games on the Wii but only one of them actually has the system.

Posted by lucifer6972 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:51 AM
I gotta say this is an interesting article. But you know what? I don't think it's a matter of what is good or not, but I think is a matter of what WE like......

There's a term in Psychology that gets used a lot and that term is "Eclectic". I'm sure you guys that are familiar with that term you may understand what I'm saying. I truly believe this is what's happening......

I think in some sense is a revolution where videogames are. I don't think is a matter of time of what to expect, but I do believe is a matter of time of what to project. Videogames not only relate to kids or adults but it also relates to education, learning, information, etc. Videogames explain why they are fun, but they also explain why they are very intuitive. Not only they are easy but they are challenging as well. And isn't that what games are about or life in general???? Challenges is what that is up ahead, but entertainment is what that is in ALL of us....

Posted by returnofrage - Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:43 AM
tl;dr

Posted by MeaTeRoiD - Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:50 AM
Once again I call Bullsheet.

For the record my wife is in her mid 20's and could prolly kick the sheet outa some "hardcore" dudes' arses on Halo 3.

And as far as hardcore games go WTF? Since when did GTA become hardcore? I've prolly said this like a million times, but GTA sucks donkey. When little kids are just cruzin around and running over people or killing prosties. Thats not exactlly hardcore.

I remember a time when the (and still now) when the NES was the original hardcore system.

I'd like to see anybody try to beat Castlevania (original) from begining to end without wanting to cry out in agony.

Anyhow, this whole hardcore v. Casual thing is getting tired. Who really gives a rats A. I mean as long as I can still smoke you jokers in Halo or COD4 then who really cares if some 40 yearold is playing SuperPaper Mario.

At least we have a growing industry instead of a dying one. (egghmm *film and tv*)

Posted by Oinkness - Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:51 AM
I think it's only a matter of time before xbox and playstation go the way of the HD-DVD upscaling DVD player. ;)

Posted by mcp3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:17 PM
DONT EVER TALK S--T ABOUT GTA just because kids are not playin the game the way its supposed to be played. You is a bitch for sayin that about GTA. Just bacause the Wiitarded is winnin in sales because of little ass kids and old people dont mean "Casual" gaming is winning. If casual gaming ever did take over we obviously wouldnt have these advanced processors the 360 and PS3 have.

Posted by mcp3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:20 PM
And its bad enough the media thinks that all hardcore gamers looke like the idiot with the cigarett, why would G4tv put that steriotypical picture up.

Posted by naz3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:36 PM
Well said dude,now bring on Gears of War 2!

Posted by Apsalus07 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:48 PM
First of all, great article G4. I like how you explore the theme and balance out both sides of the story. Please print more articles like this. OK going on to the subject matter...

I think that you've got the definition of hardcore gamer slightly confused. Hardcore gamers are not defined by the GENRE of games they play (shooters, RTS, MMO). Instead, what defines hardcore gamers is the amount of TIME they spend playing video games. Hardcore gamers simply play more than casual gamers. Of course, most of the hardcore gamers are men who have free time, leading to the stereotype you've tried to show. But somebody who plays Wii Sports night and day is also a hardcore gamer. Why is this "time" distinction important, you ask?

Posted by Apsalus07 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:51 PM
Because if you play a casual video game a LOT, then you will eventually get bored of it (e.g. Minesweeper) whereas if you play a casual video game casually then you will not get tired of it and not want to explore more complex hardcore games. Thus, people who don’t spend a lot of time gaming will never be able to advance to playing complex games that, yes, may take YEARS to master (e.g. Starcraft). However, gamers who have beaten casual games and want a more rich experience will inevitably turn to hardcore games.

Therefore, I agree that casual games are necessary to bring more gamers into the industry. However, hardcore games will always exist and will always bring in more money because hardcore gamers are not going anywhere – and will only grow as casual Wii gamers mature into hardcore XBOX/PS3/PC gamers.

Posted by Priest_Sanzo - Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:00 PM
I don't really think it's that big of deal. It is if you own a Wii becuase all they have is casual games. If you have a 360 or PS3 then you shouldn't worry. There's going to be many hardcore games out there. My only problem is games are getting more expensive with less play time. Why pay 59.99 for a game with only 10 hr. of play time. If we could work on this then that would be problem solved.

Posted by Priest_Sanzo - Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:03 PM
I don't really think it's that big of deal. It is if you own a Wii becuase all they have is casual games. If you have a 360 or PS3 then you shouldn't worry. There's going to be many hardcore games out there. My only problem is games are getting more expensive with less play time. Why pay 59.99 for a game with only 10 hr. of play time. If we could work on this then that would be problem solved.

Posted by djHaQ - Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:16 PM
I'd say I'm a pretty casual hardcore gamer.

Posted by colourings - Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:29 PM
tl;dr

Posted by Jack_NEzraF - Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:44 PM
my thoughts exactly earthmonkey

Posted by lucifer6972 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:17 PM
"DONT EVER TALK S--T ABOUT GTA"


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that's the funniest quote in this comment, LOL!!!!!! I knew I had to come again for some reason.........

Posted by ShinGino - Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:53 PM
SONY AND NINTENDO GAMERS ARE TRUE GAMERS.

XBOX FANBOYS ARE NOOBS WHO LIKE TO BASH ON THE VETERAN SYSTEMS.

Nintendo and Sony were here before you Xbox. What gave you the right to say Nintendo is for little kids and Sony has no games, which obviously proves you know nothing about their games.
Sony hasn't even touched its catalog of games for the PS3 yet and you're running your mouths!

Posted by WalterWhite - Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:55 PM
Have you ever delayed going to the bathroom cause you were gaming?

You're hardcore.

Posted by Malarke - Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:09 PM
If there are more casual gamers, wouldn't some of them make the switch to hardcore?
So in the end, its all good (in the hood).

Posted by alanthewhite - Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:18 PM
I am a hardcore gamer 100%! I have a Wii and LOVE it! Actually, i think that PS3 is thore casual gamers, and the Wii is for hardcore gamers! Suck on that!

Posted by alanthewhite - Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:19 PM
Ya! ShinGino is totally right! Amen brotha Shin, Amen...

Posted by TylerDFC - Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:32 PM
Wii and casual games are like the gateway to more advanced gaming. Several people in my office have Wiis and love it. They like playing the Wii sports with friends or little kids, but they are also playing Super Mario Galaxy and just waiting for Rock Band to drop on Wii. These are 40+ year olds for the most part. They are planning on buying PS3s now both for Blu Ray capability and because they are getting hooked on gaming.

You can only play one type of game for so long before getting bored. One of the reasons I am planning on getting a PS3 shortly. I love my 360, but I need some variety and I play games not systems. Most people are like that, gamer or not.

Posted by cantonkid - Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:50 PM
I think WalterWhite's point above is valid. To me 'hardcore' in terms of gaming is more defined by the commitement to play (timewise) rather than the types of games(complexity) that one plays.

For example, when I think of a hardcore WoW player, it is someone who plays in nearly every moment of their spare time, as opposed to a casual WoW player who might play a few times a month.

Someone who spends time playing straight through a game like Mass Effect or Final Fantasy in marathon sessions, working to get every achievment, skipping meals, falling asleep while playing, and calling in sick to work...pretty hardcore.

You can arguably do the same thing with casual game titles, but I do recognize that narrative styles of some games has developed to help promote this type of hardcore gameplay.

Posted by XGamiNChicKX - Saturday, February 23, 2008 4:51 PM
lol this article is sooo true. Just today my mom told me she wanted to get a Wii. I was like, I don't think they have GTA IV or Gears on the Wii. Then she said she'd get it for herself. I said okay, but you're playing in your room lol.

Posted by Lavat - Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:16 PM
GTA is not hardcore...and in no way is it casual....It is the in between...where a kid can pick up the controller and kill whores and innocent pedestrians...and do useless side missions and odd story line follow threw...I do not think there is much "skill" needed...But it does take some determination to have to follow and kill a reporter without being seen.

Posted by mcp3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:25 PM
I agree completely Lavat

Posted by mcp3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:32 PM
And I now agree that even if someone play a Wii game that is casuall all day every day then they is a hardcore gamer

Posted by Lavat - Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:39 PM
I would define...Mario...and Super Smash Brawl as hardcore games for the Wii...Playing Wii games such as that Mom Cooking?...I do not think so.

Posted by Spike3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:53 PM
Hardcore gamers are'nt defined as much by what games they play but bow how much time they play games.

do they play games every day about 3 hours or just casually on some weekend.


A person that plays halo or god of war casually on saturadys is a hardcore gamer?

Posted by G4ChuckW - Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:54 PM
Why the GTA hate...its a fun game.

I'm a hardcore gamer because I play all night when I have to go to work the next day. I'm obsessed with beating a game when I turn it on. No game is hardcore...Guitar Hero is a supposed party game for casual gamers until you set it to hard and it takes better hand eye than any FPS, RTS, MMO, or action/stealth game you can think of...the people that dedicate their time to master it are just as Hardcore as any other gamer. There is a sort of snobbery amongst the Hardcore that looks down on people and the games they play like if you play this you're not a gamer.
My point is a Gamer is someone who plays... Hardcore is someone who does it a lot and Casual is some who doesn't...The games they play are just that...games. Tetris and Pacman are simple but a person who takes the time to master them is just as Hardcore as any WoW geek or CoD4 addict as far as I see it

Posted by Majin_Neo - Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:12 PM
I'm in agreement with most people here. Granted I do consider Hardcore Gamers to play FPS and RPG games more than Mario Teaches Typing or something like that, but imagine how much time we invest in those games. Like $40 for a bunch of Mini-Games that will be fun occasionally is a pretty good investment. But hardcore gamers will spend 50-60 on a game that will engulf over 60+ hours of their time. Hardcore gamers are about getting more than what you pay for. If we can spend over a week calling in air strikes in COD4 as opposed to shaking soda cans on a Wii for like 4 hours, I think the hardcore gamer is still around and continues to grow from the casual gaming experience. Think of them like training grounds for future hardcore gamers. ;)

Posted by Lavat - Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:18 PM
I still would not think I could call a guy who plays the Mommas Cooking 24/7 a hardcore gamer...As I define "Hardcore" as some who mixes "skill" with passion...You would not be playing a game all the time if you were not good at it...The Arcade places is where hardcore started, high score and such...and it semi ended with consoles... And the Wii is causal...as it is defined casual by Nintendo and the developers who make the games on it...With exception to the games I mentioned, for those are the ones a hardcore gamer will go for. Still I guess I am using the Pro Vs noob thing...

Posted by Coltage - Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:38 PM
Nice article.

The casual market may grow, but I'm not sure that an equal percentage of casual games will follow. Like the article mentioned, many casual gamers only purchase a few games. Also, with the increase of people playing video games, some of the new people and casual players might find themselves crossing over to play some hardcore games or games that hardcore gamers also enjoy.

It's all going to come down to sales. As long as hardcore gamers continue to buy hardcore games, they will undoubtedly be made. If casual gamers increase, the number of casual games will increase. However, unless casual gamers become more of a "hardcore casual" breed and purchase more games, there will likely either be a casual market comprised mostly of alarge number of low risk budget games or a small number of big budget games to fight for the casual audience's attention. Hardcore gamers can be picky and unforgiving, but casual gamers can be unreliable.

Posted by Coltage - Saturday, February 23, 2008 6:41 PM
So yes, we might see a lot more casual games on the horizon, but I still see plenty of hardcore games coming out. This may change, but I might not even notice. I'm struggling working on new releases and games from five years ago.

Posted by slimmer - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:05 PM
Casual gamers will help make gaming more acceptable so we can have more freedom to expand gaming boundaries ,such as now, a rating system can keep games from being made at all but these type of boundaries do not keep films,books and other arts from being made.
I feel that gaming is just starting to really grow and I dont just mean financially.

Posted by slimmer - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:13 PM
Casual vs Hardcore ? what ? is there a competition or dispute ? didn't know, just like Britney Spears doesn't like to wear underwear I would have never known.

Posted by slimmer - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:15 PM
Wait a minute is G4TV owned by FOX ?

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:51 PM
Some of this crap is pointless. GTA is not hardcore. GTA is the original casual.Its a sandbox game. it means i can do whatever i want. I can play the missions or just"casually" drive around or casually beat the crap out of people. As i recall the Wii has sandbox (GTA clones)like Godfather and Scarface.One of my favorites was incredible Hulk ultimate destruction.I like the gamer vs nongamer issue that casual games are destroying. The more people play the better.you start with wii sports and move up to something more complex. New gamers will eventually ( time allowing )become more hardcore.

Posted by mcp3 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:00 PM
Will everyone get off GTA'S nuts get over it. It depends on how you play it. All I know is that if you gone complain about it being a casual game dont buy GTA IV and dont play it no more.

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:01 PM
also i don't like the little kid representing the casual gamers.Most people like myself are only casual because we have have very little time between work and and other stuff like school,shopping,dating,and other stuff that i have to do. I loved Twilight princess and Metroid prime 3but i could only enjoy them once a week because of all the other crap. I casually played hardcore games.

Posted by krazybassist64 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:08 PM
i think history will repeat itself and casual gamers will want to get more in depth with their games. If anything, casual gaming is breeding a generation of hardcore gamers. Lets give some neglective crowds a whiff of what its all about. Fine with me.

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:10 PM
The hardcore gamer in the photo looks like a loser that needs a life."If being in the top ten on a leader board is not making you extra money or scoring chicks you are wasting your time".This is what most nongamers think of us. I hate this stereotype. If i'm happy doing something that's not illegal and providing for society with a job to support it then leave me alone.If you're a game fanatic you have issues but if you have sports fanatic they're okay? what kind of crap is that.

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:13 PM
The hardcore gamer in the photo looks like a loser that needs a life."If being in the top ten on a leader board is not making you extra money or scoring chicks you are wasting your time".This is what most nongamers think of us. I hate this stereotype. If i'm happy doing something that's not illegal and providing for society with a job to support it then leave me alone.If you're a game fanatic you have issues but if you have sports fanatic they're okay? what kind of crap is that.

Posted by dbzwiifan18 - Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:16 PM
At the end of the day if a game is fun and i enjoy playing it again i'm happy. RE4,Prince of persia, Eternal darkness. Awesome games i enjoy playing in between the new stuff.

Posted by lazyteabag - Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:24 PM
what dbzwiifan18 is saying is that he's a p.ssy

GoW SKULL SMASHING FTW!!!

Posted by soulst0p - Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:19 AM
Shin said Sony and Nintendo Gamers are hardcore gamers...

What the heck happened to Sega??? The mere fact that you left them out and put SONY in leads me to believe something.... but I'm not here to flame today.

Posted by soulst0p - Sunday, February 24, 2008 1:20 AM
It seems that the term hardcore gamer is not something that everyone can agree upon. It's interesting that the term "hardcore" applies to gamers where as other activities and hobbies will generally use the term "enthusiast". Perhaps there are varying levels of hardcore-ness in gaming that need to be differentiated. Personally, I think that for a gamer to be hardcore, he/she spends a significant amount of time being GOOD at video games, or at least trying to be good.

Personally, I think the more casual gamers there are in the world, the better. "Hardcore" gamers will probably always be around, and for the most part, they are hardcore for life. And so those numbers only grow. The more overall gamers, harcore and casual alike, the more money coming into the industry. And I think that's the most important thing.

Posted by Bowmanganie - Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:51 AM
Interesting article.
Hardcore gamer = someone who loves to play games, any game, and will not destroy someone elses opinion just to make themselves feel superior.
Casual gamer = someone who may like to play games (video or otherwise) but can take it or leave it depending on the weather.
Gaming snob = most of the people who tought one type of game over another just to try to prove that their sexual organs arent as small as they really are. Sadly, this is a lot of gamers...

Posted by jabberman - Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:10 AM
Are you playing your Nintendo DS while woking?
If so, you're hardcore.......& going to get fired. lol

Posted by FragileFilter27 - Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:23 AM
Who care's if a game is "casual" or "hardcore" as long its a good game in the end. There room for both type of games in the market. I don't think Epic games will turn around and make Unreal Party (i would be interested to see what that's like though) just as Cooking Mama won't turn into a cooking bloodbath where you go seal clubbing for blubber.

Posted by XGamiNChicKX - Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:21 AM
It is hardcore when you played GTA: San Andreas for 20 hours straight (well, two sets of 10 hours each) on the PS2. And notice I said GoW2....

Posted by antiburgerjob23 - Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:03 PM
Yeah, Im gonna have to say hardcore gamer is better. We know what were doing, afterall, weve been gamers for decades. You would think that the industry would appreciate us too cuz we ultimately made it what it is today. But no, companies like Nintendo decide that we arent enough anymore. Why just have one loyal fanbase when you can have the whole world??? It may make sense to the company but what about us? Havent we always been there supporting you? Well I guess it all does come down to money...

Posted by that311guy123 - Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:39 PM
I don't like labels, I can think of a lot of other things to better spend time arguing about then what constitutes a "hardcore" or "casual" gamer

In the end, it really doesn't matter, at all

Posted by Frankotaco - Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:05 PM
This was a very interesting article. had alot of great points. only thing it failed to note is that Hardcore or mature gamers have BEEN participating in casual games for years. its called Newgrounds. it mentioned these types of games but failed to note that adult gamers do play those types of games, but isn't in our general philosophy to pay for them. you play them off and on in spare time. and the developer makes there money threw ads on there own sites and are truly independent developers. the wii's model is like trying to make a profit on a series of studio made 13 million dollar movies that are aimed at the 10 minute art film aficionado. XNA and downloadables is a very good idea that can grow and turn to make amazing more independent games for console aimed at the mindset of a more mature, hardcore, gamer. but Wii is only gonna make money for Nintendo with 1st party games even hardcore gamers love and the console sales, as seen currently.

Posted by Frankotaco - Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:57 PM
actually an after thought. the only ones who i can see are doing the right thing to make the Wii appeal to the adult market is good old Rockstar. who is porting that can be made better threw this technology. such as the Rockstar Table tennis, Manhunt 2, Bully. but not porting games that would be hindered by the technology.

Posted by killsaurus_warbeard - Sunday, February 24, 2008 9:02 PM
KILLSAURUS WARBEARD RULES

Posted by Logan22 - Monday, February 25, 2008 1:04 AM
If gaming was never affiliated with little kids back when it started, then gaming would already be more accessible to the mainstream than TV/Film. I think eventually thanks to the Wii and other future casual games everyone will grow into more complex games and finally "see" what we see from gaming. I think what Kutaragi said about his visions only being half-way there have something to do with this.

Posted by majintipp - Monday, February 25, 2008 5:07 AM
RIVER CITY RANSOM IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER! PERIOD.

Posted by kksilence - Monday, February 25, 2008 5:56 AM
Just think if Sony WERE to get serious about the casual gamer. Wii Sports, Wii Play, Mario Party,Wario Ware. since they take up such little space with their "so last gen" graphics and limited A.I. maybe they'd all fit on one blu-ray and still have enough room for that sweet, Nintendo approved Bratz game.
Forget it, wouldn't be as much fun since Sony's controller only senses tilting and not the "aimlessly flailing " feature required for 1/2 the Wii titles.

Posted by UnJaked - Monday, February 25, 2008 6:11 AM
You wanna see hardcore gammers look at the BattleField series

Posted by hetman - Monday, February 25, 2008 7:14 AM
River city ransom is awesome. The more people in gaming the better.

Posted by slimmer - Monday, February 25, 2008 7:58 AM
Good going G4tV you started a useless argument.
Casual vs Hardcore ? maybe pc owners who build their own computers for gaming are the real "Hardcore" gamers ? and the real real ones are the ones who seek out pirated versions and have to figure out how to crack a game to get said pirated game to work.

Posted by DaysOfInfocom - Monday, February 25, 2008 9:44 AM
Bummer that "hardcore" gaming is visually represented by a guy holding a controller.

In my opinion, hardcore gaming means mouse, keyboard, railgun, and rocket jumps.

Posted by jeditrip - Monday, February 25, 2008 9:51 AM
i own a DS....it is the only gaming system i have. i do NOT consider it to be a casual gamer device. casual gamers do NOT spend 100 hours playing "advance wars: dual strike". i do believe there is room in the gaming world for both casual AND hardcore gamers. i would love to see some "hard core" games come to the DS. the problem is MONEY...if you only buy sequels...the developers will NOT make new franchises.

Posted by NATAS999 - Monday, February 25, 2008 10:11 AM
I like the growth in casual games. I can now get my girlfriend to play videogames with me. Another thing I like about is that people don't think your a huge dork if you love videogames like people did 5 years ago. I recently went to a party and there was about five or six chicks playing and watching guitar hero, I mean whats wrong with that?

Posted by Jupei - Monday, February 25, 2008 10:32 AM
tldr

commenters are even worse, jeeze get a blog people.

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