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Banks In 'Second Life' Failing?

Posted by Stephen Johnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:26 PM

In a scene eerily prescient of our nation's economic collapse (I'm from the future, so I know.), some banks in Linden Labs' Second Life MMO are being shut down, partially due to economic improprieties.

Surprisingly, there are actual people who play Second Life, and, even more surprisingly, they entrust actual money (in the form of Linden Dollars) to other players who operated virtual banks. The banks are unregulated and make grandiose promises of huge interest rates. Some banks have already failed, and others have limited withdrawals.(Editors Note: You'd have to be ape-crap crazy to give money to a person you met in a damn videogame. Editor's Other note: Dear Ron Paul fans: this is what happens when you don't have regulations on economies. Third and final editor's note: We love making fun of Second Life. Sorry, fans.)

Linden, presumably seeing a disaster in the making, has ordered that SL banks and financial institutions be shut down to "Protect our residents and the integrity of our economy."

From now on, SL financial institutions will need to provide "proof of an applicable government registration statement or financial institution charter" in order to operate in Second Life.

As you might expect, real world banks, lending firms and brokerage houses are flocking to the virtual world in huge drove, as it represents the future of... oh, wait, no they aren't. Banks are staying away from Second Life like you stay away from dog crap on the sidewalk. Real banks are, by their nature, for real and like real money instead of pretend fake dollars that you buy mechanical genitals with.

Wall Street Journal: Cheer Up, Ben: Your Economy Isn't As Bad as This One




Comment(s)

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:47 PM

Dear sjohnson, you are right. This is what happens when you don't put regulations on the economy. Stupid people lose money when they make stupid choices about how to invest. Now why don't you take a few economics classes before you try and lecture about what level of regulation the government ought to practice in our economy and talk about video games till then ok? Thanks.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:50 PM

I was talking about a videogame with an economy.

Posted by Lil_Jon83 - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:50 PM

I do 2, sjohnson, I do 2.

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:53 PM

Your Text:

"Editor's Other note: Dear Ron Paul fans: this is what happens when you don't have regulations on economies."

Could have fooled me.

Posted by croninsdisease - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:54 PM

Hey Johnson...why don't you leave Ron Paul out of this and learn proper grammar? Proofread, son...proofread.

Posted by barleyguy - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:55 PM

This is a result of non-regulated Second Life banks being banned by Linden Labs, the creators of Second Life. In order to operate in Second Life, banks now have to be properly registered as real life banks.

BTW, this story was a bit clueless.


See this article:

http://arstechnica.com/news. ars/post/20080111-second-life- banks-banned-run-on-banks-begi ns.html

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:55 PM

Good point croninsdisease, he needs a few journalism classes too.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:55 PM

So... are you saying that Ponzi schemes and various scams aren't what happens when economies are unregulated? I don't get your point.

Posted by croninsdisease - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:56 PM

Hey Johnson...why don't you leave Ron Paul out of this and learn proper grammar? Proofread, son...proofread.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:56 PM

Much like Second Life, I like making fun of Ron Paul. I'm sorry for that, too.

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 2:59 PM

Ponzi schemes and scams are illegal, there are legal remedies for those hurt by these activities both civil and criminal. You simply do not know what you are talking about. Long story short, government regulation hurts economies by raising the cost of doing business. If you don't understand macroeconomic policy, don't try to lecture on it...you just look stupid.

Posted by croninsdisease - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:00 PM

That last comment by Johnson, picks on itself.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:01 PM

In an unregulated economy, pyramid schemes wouldn't be illegal.

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:06 PM

sjohnson, fraud is always illegal. The regulation Ron Paul and libertarians talk about has to do with the Federal Reserve controlling bank policy across the country as well as taxation. Read a book you ignorant fool.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:07 PM

I'm going to stop talking to you because you don't seem to be able to disagree with someone without calling them names.

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:15 PM

Deleting my posts now? Even after I apoligived for hurting your feelings? Real cool...censorship all in the name of not looking stupid. I thought this site was above that. Guess I was wrong sjohnson.

Posted by GeorgeDon - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:20 PM

sjohnson -

You don't know what a fraudlent scheme our "regulated" banks have been running under for the last 200 years in the US.

You'll get mad, but watch this video for real truth:

http://video.google.com/vide oplay?docid=-90504743625834512 79&q=money+as+debt&total=2317& start=0&num=10&so=0&type=searc h&plindex=0

Then you can criticize Ron Paul for attacking the "Federal Reserve", which is a private institution, not government (and making their secret stockholders wealthy beyond imagination), and is not a "reserve" - i.e., there is nothing of value there - only fraudulent paper.

good luck in the future dude.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:20 PM

Listen, you're openly insulting, and even in "apologizing" you were actually passive-aggressivley being insulting. Those kinds of posts will be deleted. I don't mind having a spirited discussion, but personal insults are against our policy. You do your own arguments a disservice by seemingly being unable to express them without name-calling.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:23 PM

I haven't attacked anyone. NOTE TO SELF: "Don't ever mention Ron Paul unless it is to talk about how great he is." In fact, I've seen the light! When Ron Paul is elected and the Federal Reserve is abolished, our nations problems will be solved. Also, We should return to the gold standard because gold is shiny.

Posted by ANDREtheGAMER - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:24 PM

Who cares about Ron Paul? He's not going to win. Voting for him is the equivalent of throwing your vote away. Just like the bastards that voted for Nader in Florida, back in 2000.

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:25 PM

Come on sjohnson...this is a g4 comment board. When are people EVER nice on these things? I am honestly sorry if I offended you. I just was trying to be a bit funny and assertive, my bad.

Posted by GeorgeDon - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:26 PM

sjohnson -

You don't know what a fraudlent scheme our "regulated" banks have been running under for the last 200 years in the US.

You'll get mad, but watch this video for real truth:

http://video.google.com/vide oplay?docid=-90504743625834512 79&q=money+as+debt&total=2317& start=0&num=10&so=0&type=searc h&plindex=0

Then you can criticize Ron Paul for attacking the "Federal Reserve", which is a private institution, not government (and making their secret stockholders wealthy beyond imagination), and is not a "reserve" - i.e., there is nothing of value there - only fraudulent paper.

good luck in the future dude.

Posted by croninsdisease - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:26 PM

this is America, Johnson...

Posted by oOIrrelevantOo - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:28 PM

Ron Paul is a blabbering idiot.

Posted by sjohnson - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:31 PM

No problem, creelnib. It's all, as they say, good.

Posted by creelnib - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:32 PM

No Ron will not win, he is way too out there to connect to most people. He's a nice guy but he just wants to take things too far. Im just knocking your economic policy is all, not defending Ron. But if he launched a third party run for president he could cost Republicans the election by taking away just enough votes... so don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry Republicans.

PS Gold is shiny and neat...but I'd rather go to a video game standard... I've got way more video games than I do gold.

Posted by EliteWiitard - Friday, January 25, 2008 3:36 PM

Lulz at Ron Paul.

Posted by Lavat - Friday, January 25, 2008 5:08 PM

Second life's banks collapsing. And America going into a recession. Global Warming!! War!!....The world ends: 2012 or 2014...or 2016 some where around that area. Before the $3000.00 Tax rebate.

Posted by AtticaB - Friday, January 25, 2008 6:03 PM

It took me one evening to playing to realize the entire second life economy was a pyramid scheme.

Posted by AtticaB - Friday, January 25, 2008 6:08 PM

Anyone who thinks that our modern banking system is a "scam" or scheme needs to take an economics class.

These "groups" that you see as being controlled by a "selected group" protect the modern world economic from collapses like what happened in 1929 (note: I don't have this knowledge personally. I'm lectured by my wife who works for a hedge fund company and has a MBA).

Posted by Oinkness - Friday, January 25, 2008 6:25 PM

Vote Ron Paul or the earth will turn to chit.

Posted by Muckie - Friday, January 25, 2008 7:14 PM

No one should give sjohnson grief.

Posted by ThataUFO - Friday, January 25, 2008 7:22 PM

LOL, this is hilarious. sjohnson is getting grief over a story about half life AND bringing Ron Paul into the mix. Can't we have one place where politics is left at the damn door.

p.s. Half life sucks worse than FFXI. And FFXI really sucks.

Posted by ThataUFO - Friday, January 25, 2008 7:24 PM

I meant Second life sorry. I got orange box on the brain.

Posted by heavymetalwolf - Friday, January 25, 2008 7:38 PM

Cheers Sjohnson, I got your back. Oh and creelnib. Ron Paul has been getting alot more interest from the fringe democrats than the fringe republicans. So if he were to run under a third party platform, he would "Nader" it up worse for the democrats than the republicans.

Posted by goodshadow - Friday, January 25, 2008 8:02 PM

I give sjohnson points just for responding to the comments. He didn't have to and editor's, from what I've seen, rarely respond at all.

As for the presidency, it doesn't matter who we elect, in a few years we're just going to hate them. Look at our last two presidents if you want any proof.

Posted by goodshadow - Friday, January 25, 2008 8:04 PM

I give sjohnson points just for responding to the comments. He didn't have to and editor's, from what I've seen, rarely respond at all.

As for the presidency, it doesn't matter who we elect, in a few years we're just going to hate them. Look at our last two presidents if you want any proof.

Posted by AshleyHawkins_Is_Bac - Friday, January 25, 2008 11:18 PM

Hey ya'll cant mess with my boy sjohnson, hell the point he is trying to make here is this: dont put ur money in the hands of someone you dont even know or have never seen, thats retarded. sjohnson u got it right.

Posted by violentviolet - Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:35 AM

"Real banks are, by their nature, for real and like real money instead of pretend fake dollars that you buy mechanical genitals with."

lulz

No seriously, it's real money. That you trade in for fake money, and vice versa. I'm going to go cash in my fake money for real money and buy an iPhone right now, and then use the rest to buy mechanical lactating nipples with. Biatch.

Posted by yoshiarecool - Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:44 AM

Thats disturbing that a game has an actual economy
And Im not just talking about "Theres more +1 maces so the price goes down" an actual economy thats affected by others

Posted by TheKei - Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:07 AM

@ Lavat

Actually so far it's only a possible $300 tax rebate. Kind of like someone gets their head cut off and you offer them a bandaid.

Posted by madbuilder - Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:09 AM

Ok, this isn't a rant, just long-winded. :)
I'm sure the whole Scam Banking thing is SecondLife would have just run it's course and died when most people recognized they are just scams. The idea was dodgy on the surface and common sense should have told people to stay away. Giving your money to a totally anonymous person, who apparently has no real world entity to take legal recourse against no demonstrated experience in banking? Totally outrageous interest returns for a small investment? How does this not scream STUPID or SCAM?

For those lacking common sense there was lots of public commentary about bank scams and people getting ripped off, such that it should have told people to get away and stay away. Those who were left, who kept sticking their money into someone else's pocket? They got what they deserved for being too clueless or too greedy and hopefully learned something in the process. Otherwise, they can at least serve as a warning to others.

Posted by madbuilder - Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:14 AM

Ok, this isn't a rant, just long-winded. :)
I'm sure the whole Scam Banking thing is SecondLife would have just run it's course and died when most people recognized they are just scams. The idea was dodgy on the surface and common sense should have told people to stay away. Giving your money to a totally anonymous person, who apparently has no real world entity to take legal recourse against no demonstrated experience in banking? Totally outrageous interest returns for a small investment? How does this not scream STUPID or SCAM?

For those lacking common sense there was lots of public commentary about bank scams and people getting ripped off, such that it should have told people to get away and stay away. Those who were left, who kept sticking their money into someone else's pocket? They got what they deserved for being too clueless or too greedy and hopefully learned something in the process. Otherwise, they can at least serve as a warning to others.

Posted by fedaykin0 - Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:23 PM

since politics and economics are repellent to me, i'll stick to what i know here:

sjohnson, nice job using "prescient." nobody uses that word much anymore.

Posted by codemonkeypwnz - Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:34 PM

lol never thought id see sjohnson taking heat from us, anyway Ron Paul isnt gonna make it, sadly either Obama or Hilary is going to win because ppl are stupid and are voting for Obama because he is black.....................whic h also means he is going to get assasinated on the first day without a joke, Hilary doesn't know anything and is using Bill's rep for votes and lesbos are voting for her cause she is a woman....................which means she is getting her ass picked on by the Islams and the representatives at the UN

Posted by TheRedStar - Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:24 PM

@sjohnson: I'll give it to you man out of all the stalf at G4 i think you might be the most commited. You actualy chose a position a defended it! O you said you were from the future could you tell me if a sony stock fall is in the near future..I want to invest before HOME comes out...

@codemonkeypwnz: I think your right he'll be shot on the 1st day! But I dont' think people are gona vote for him cauz he's black. He has trouble getting Black voters, beacuse his message does not resonate with them. I'm with you on the Hillary thing she got B*otch slaped by the HealthCare Industry now she their trained prostitute, takeing their cash under the table.

Posted by TheRedStar - Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:37 PM

I think sJohnson & creelnib were right in your own respects, but sJohnson has it correct the governement DOES need to regulate the amount of money (promisory notes) that can be in circulation. creelnib is right that it will just be an extra cost, but the cost would not have to be there if irresponsible human beigns wouldn't do dumb stuff with money. Example the Sub-Prime Mortage Mess. If there were regulations on it when Green Span was still in it. Then Sooo much Hollowed out Debt wouldn't have been created. Unregulated lending policies led to tons of people getting houses they couldn't afford. Then when they defaulted on the loans the bank got stuck with a house that was depreciating in value beacuse the original price of the home was over inflated!

sJohnson=correct..this time..

Posted by unaturalx - Monday, January 28, 2008 6:06 AM

Vote for Jimmy Tide!

Posted by sjohnson - Monday, January 28, 2008 7:58 AM

For the record, Muckie is my mom. No joke.

Posted by lapanonam_k - Monday, January 28, 2008 8:16 AM

vote for me! wait...nvm, but im sure id make a good president, free games for everyone!

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