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Posted by Jonathan Hunt - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:34 PM

Hey, buddy, do you own a 360? Have you exprienced the dreaded Red Ring of Death? Want to know what causes it? Well, it turns out it could be one of about 40 million different things.

8bitjoystick.com seems to have interviewed an ex-insider from Microsoft who claims the Red Ring of Death could be caused by any number of reasons, most of which would have been caught and corrected if not for the rush to production the system went through when it initially launched. He goes on to say that the failure rate of 360's from launch is somewhere around 30%.

Of course, Microsoft has not released any such numbers on failure rate or on the exact cause of the RROD. What do you guys think? You think this is true or do you think the guy is bunk?

8BitJoystick.com: Inside Source Reveal The Truth About Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death Failures

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Posted by cmdluke - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:44 PM

Definately true! the 360 blows. screw you microsoft! =P
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Posted by jargy1 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:48 PM

From my experience, and from everyone I know...AND from everything I've seen online I'm really beginning to think 30% for launch boxes is a low number. I don't know anyone who hasn't had at least 2 by now. Mine is showing signs of dying yet again.
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Posted by ThataUFO - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:50 PM

I agree with jargy1, 30% is a low estimate for launch. Don't know what it is now, but at launch it was pretty damn high.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:50 PM

cmdluke think u should change ur name to ms-hater or sony-drone.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:52 PM

even if its more than 30% how can u complain about it.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:54 PM

had to send my ipod back 3 times and i paid 50 for that Warranty.I know about 3 or 4 people that had the same problem.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:55 PM

as for the sony fans they have had disc errors in ps1 and ps2.
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Posted by cmdluke - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:58 PM

yeah, maybe I should change it, but this has been my tag for so long that no one would know who I was =P
i love my ps3. 360 does have more games, but the ones I'm interested in are on ps3 or pc also.
i did have a 360, but it ate it in less than a year so I traded up and never looked back.
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Posted by SemiSarcastic - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:05 PM

From CoolBox to SexBox to CrapBox. The puns never end.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:07 PM

so if ur ps2 or ps3 dies u will move on to something else?
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Posted by TheRufio - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:09 PM

My xbox 360 still works but the disc tray doesn't always open. What gives microsoft? I've had my xbox just over a year and this BS is already happening. I've had my PS2 like 4 years and it still opens just fine.
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Posted by Cardenjs - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:11 PM

Videogames make up a huge piece of the entertainment industry, and anything in that industry shouldnt be rushed to make a quick buck. Microsoft rushed their console to make the Holiday season while Sony and Nintendo took their time. You may think that 3 out of 10 Xbox 360 will fail is pretty sad by itself; but at launch, all 10 probably came off the same production line. Now that Microsoft has a large game library to fall back on, they are starting to fix the console which plays their games.
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Posted by fedaykin0 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:11 PM

this just in: new technology NOT infallible. surprise.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:22 PM

fedaykin0 pretty much i just hate how people over look sonys problems and bash the 360.
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Posted by Nomad_19 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:25 PM

i read the article it seems to be legit... glad to hear that the problem is concentrated to those early xenon MB... i think anyone who has had a newer one and had it fail its because the have less than half a brain... they probably think they can run it all day like a PC... I've heard of one guy complaining about it, he said he got an elite and failed within a week.. but the guy had it in a closed entertainment center... MS will come out with a new console i think the 360 this year will reach its half life so we will see...
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Posted by altizar - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:27 PM

Hmmm, do I think MS cut corner on quality to push thier product out the door a year before thier competator??

Well duh, that's the only reason they're still in the console race atm.
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Posted by fedaykin0 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:27 PM

@raziel_hell: i'm an 'xbot' (a lovely term), so i get where you're coming from. there are a lot of people around here who demand perfection yet are incapable of competence themselves.
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Posted by Gunnman - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:30 PM

My 360 has yet to have a problem, and I got mine on Launch Day. Some of my friends have gotten RRoD. At least Microsoft pays for them to be fixed. I have a friend whose PS3 broke about six weeks after he bought it and Sony made him pay to fix it.
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Posted by Tmidiman - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:33 PM

30% sounds realistic. Probably more like 33-35%. That is very bad and I'm glad MS step up to address the problem.

The haters and Sony lovers don't understand that even with those failures the systems has some great exclusives. The games are so much fun it's no surprise that people love the system.

A person buying a PS3 for the first time has some games to play, but a person just now buying a 360 has way more games to play and experiense. Add Xbox Live and there is even more fun to be had. You don't care as much about failures when you have great games.
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Posted by cmdluke - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:35 PM

I won't move on from my ps3 if it breaks, I have the extended warranty on it, but the failure rate on the ps3 is so low, i would know that its just an isolated incident. the ps3 was just looking more attractive to me than another 360. thats why I traded up.
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Posted by TheRufio - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:35 PM

@Gunnman

Tell your friend the PS3 comes with a warranty that is still valid after six weeks.
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Posted by jargy1 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:39 PM

Nobody is asking for the perfect console. It won't ever exist. If my 360 had died and I was one of a very small bunch, then fine. But doesn't anyone who supports Microsoft on this one understand what happens if people gladly accept these levels of failure? It gives them free reign to let it happen with other products and it lets other companies do the same if they see people won't care. Console sales are all about market penetration. They don't care if you have to get it fixed 30 times, as long as you keep getting it fixed. That way they can sell more games (where the real money is).
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Posted by jargy1 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:41 PM

And to anyone complaining about the PS3, how many of you own one? I've had mine for just shy of a year now and I've had a grand total of ONE hiccup. The day I got it I popped in a PS2 title (just to see) and it glitched out and kicked me back to the XMB. Then I performed the update and haven't had a problem since. I play PS1, PS2 and PS3 titles. I can play for hours if I want, and I can even watch hi-def movies without any issues.

The 360 crashes or tells me a disc isn't inserted pretty regularly. I've grown used to it, but why should I be happy about it? I accept what I paid money for, but that does not mean I'm satisfied. And for Microsoft, that means one less customer in the future. I can't see myself ever buying a future MS console. I'd be willing to budge on this issue if they had admitted it from the beginning instead of snaking around and hiding from the issue for a year.
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Posted by fedaykin0 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:43 PM

jargy1, i think there are PLENTY of people who are demanding perfection, whether they realize it or want to admit the fact. i doubt that is you, but you have to admit, there are a lot of cats around here talking nonsense because M$ and Sony can't give in to their outlandish demands like mommy and daddy do.
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:43 PM

i have to admit i sent mine back once last fall but it's doing fine now. it's a stupid thing to have to go through.
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Posted by neoix - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:44 PM

well, its important to note, that the only reason Sony didn't rush the PS3 is because they weren't going to mess up the PS3 like they did the PS2.

I think Microsoft should get some respect considering they lost millions because they repaired the RROD for free, something Sony would never do. They'd just release a new version of the system.
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Posted by hetman - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:48 PM

The problems are over now so who cares. Im glad I have never exprerienced the RROD but if I do I will be upset.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:51 PM

well no matter what any sony fans say i have 2 360s and only had to send 1 back for a controller issue but other than that nothing and it was fixed free.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:54 PM

sony on the other had i 2 ps1s and 2 ps2s all disc read problems.
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Posted by Nomad_19 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:00 PM

hey i remember the good old days when you can guy a console and not have to send anything back.. just blow on your cartrige once in a while...

hey no joke HEATH LEDGER died... G4 WTF your supposed to be on top of this... NOT A SLOW NEWS DAY JUST SLOW GETTING THE NEWS...
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Posted by M_A_Cwell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:04 PM

People brag the Microsoft pays to fix systems like it was always the case. The 1st 12- 14 months Microsoft did not pay to replace your system trust me I have receipt to prove it you were on your own so please people stop yelling that Microsoft replaced your system for free It wasn't until it became a media frenzy that they even cared to fix a product that that they were receiving mass complaints about defects
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Posted by crimeboss - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:09 PM

@Posted by fedaykin0 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:43 PM

Well put.
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Posted by DPsx7 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:10 PM

I've never had a console break. I own many consoles including a launch day PS2 and now a PS3. This does not include any XB's. There just aren't any good games for them that can't be enjoyed on my PS3 or PC. Which is a good thing after hearing how often 360's fail. And where's the love for Wii? Great little unit.
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Posted by fedaykin0 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:12 PM

@Nomad_19: i thought you were spouting some serious BS there. but you aren't. sorry i doubted you. RIP Heath Ledger.
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Posted by MutantEnemyMTL - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:15 PM

I got an early 360 and it RROD'd twice in the first year and I was pretty pissed off. No problems since, however. I'm glad I bought the 360 because it has so many great games.

When Microsoft comes out with their next console I WILL NOT buy at launch. I will wait at least 6 to 9 months to make sure the thing is reliable. I might even buy a PS4 instead but it will depend on the number of games.
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Posted by Tmidiman - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:17 PM

PS3 failure rates should be very very low. All people do is watch Blu-ray movies on them.

:D

Ok I was being bad. But there is some truth there.
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Posted by 199ALLSTAR - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:20 PM

dude i have 2 360s the hddvd and a zune. got my 1st 360 @ launch and no problems untill this past november.. the RROD.. called ms they sent me a shipping box, and gave me a free month of xbl they were pretty cool. About 2 weeks later it get it back it's fixed cool. by this time i'm heavy into my new 360 elite..but not even a month after i get the 1st 360 back u guessed it RROD again..and the crazy thing is that i wasn't even gaming. my wife was playing a cd.. not a bootleg but a store bought cd. got it back from them just a few days ago. my mom always gave me 3 strikes..ms is in strike 2.. strike 3.. i'll get rid of everything microsoft. get a 2ps3 an ipod and a mac! I spend too much money to go thru that again.
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Posted by Teklepto - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:20 PM

I am currently waiting for my Xbox to come back to me right now as i type this :( I don't have a Ps3 yet, but i will when MGS4 comes out :) atleast i get the RRoD fixed for free....and I agree with nomad_19...the good ol days.
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Posted by outlawtorn_13 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:22 PM

so far so good. had a ps1 and ps2 on the day they launched and no problems w/ the ps3.
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Posted by CPRxChris - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:30 PM

I truly believe in Sony because, despite the supposed "disc read errors", I never got a problem.

And for the people that are pointing out that the PS1 and PS2 had disc read errors, at least they gave a new model that was CHEAPER and better, not more expensive or the same price for a product that shouldn't have such problems. And the original Xbox had problems too, some similar to this actually...

And not to mention the fact that the Xbox 360 had WAY more problems than PS1/PS2/PS3 ever had...

I mean there's disc read errors, then scratching of the discs, and The RROD, and the 40 million(+) reasons for it...
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Posted by TechnoPirate - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:36 PM

I've never RRODed on my 360, it's a saint...Perfect!
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Posted by trashymac - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:37 PM

Mine's away being repaired right now. Should have it back in another couple weeks.

I love my 360, but I went out and bought a PS3 while it was off getting repaired.
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Posted by CPRxChris - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:38 PM

I truly believe in Sony because, despite the supposed "disc read errors", I never got a problem.

And for the people that are pointing out that the PS1 and PS2 had disc read errors, at least they gave a new model that was CHEAPER and better, not more expensive or the same price for a product that shouldn't have such problems. And the original Xbox had problems too, some similar to this actually...

And not to mention the fact that the Xbox 360 had WAY more problems than PS1/PS2/PS3 ever had...

I mean there's disc read errors, then scratching of the discs, and The RROD, and the 40 million(+) reasons for it...
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Posted by CPRxChris - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:39 PM

Oh, and the PS2 "failure rate" was only in the 5% range, whereas the Xbox 360 has upwards of 30% for a failure rate.
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Posted by postmaster42 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:57 PM

omg, sony has finally found a way to sell their consoles, get some addict clan to shun microsoft, i don't know about you but I would rather wait a month to get it fixed than a year for them to wait and release it.
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Posted by hetman - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:58 PM

The 5% failure rate for the ps2 is complete BS. It had to be closer to 20%. If you watched to many DvD's on your ps2 you would start to get disk read errors. I know I ended up having to buy two ps2's and it was not because they were working perfectly. And I know many people who had disk read errors on their ps2. It happens with rushed production and new technology.
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Posted by vferg - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:28 PM

I do know a few people that had some issues with first generation PS2's and the dvd read error but it happened like 2 years after they brought it and only to like 2 people I know. The 360 is out of control though! I dont know a single person who owns a 360 without it dying once and this happened to a lot of them around the 1 year mark. I want to know how they got there 30% failure rate as well since it just doesnt make sense. Until they fix the reason behind that problem I will stay away from the 360.
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Posted by antiburgerjob23 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:37 PM

thats why i roll with Nintendo. ok so you could say they endorse gimicky games and skim on good ones, which i agree with, but, they are very careful in what they do. they dont over kill on the idea of high def graphics and gameplay, which ultimately forces them to soup-up their consoles to provide all of this and cause more problems than they can handle *MICROSOFT cough, cough*. instead they get a good consumer base and keep them interested in what their consoles have to offer. you can say what you want about the Wii but you cant ignore the hudge amount of sucess its had and will continue to have in the coming years.
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Posted by Jroper - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:54 PM

well i for one am relieved to hear that RROD is not from the 360 sucking, but from production rushes that they didnt have time to fix...but yea cmdluke quit hating on microsoft....they invented the freakin internet
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Posted by Narocue - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:56 PM

hetman ... Sony actaully released the data on their systems, and the PS2 had a 7.2% failure rate on launch ... and the PS1 had 4.6%. So looks like you just had bad luck. MS fan boys keep spouting about how they have more and better games ... 360 hasnt had an exlusive (good one anyway) since Halo3 in October ... And I cant seem to find any all the way through the end of Q1 08 ... So lets see ... almost 6 months with no exclusives ... We're all playing the same games ... COD4, Assasins Creed, and Orange Box. So stfu MS fanboys, you dont have siht on a PS3 ... And btw COD4 looks way better on my PS3 than my brothers 360, he even admits it.

FLAME ON!!!
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Posted by Narocue - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:57 PM

Jroper ... Al Gore invented the internet ... LOL
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Posted by Lil_Jon83 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:07 PM

The most likely reason is overheating. Or aliens!
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Posted by Twitchin - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:31 PM

Maybe 30% for RROD, but what if you include all the problems?

My elite just died yesterday. Bought it for Halo 3, three months ago. Manufactured June 2007. I'm currently waiting for my return box in the mail.

360's hold CD's in place by trapping them between a metal disk and a magnet. Apparently the little disk holding the CD's isn't glued well. When exposed to heat, they detach from the base and stick to the magnet on the ceiling of the Xbox. Any disk you feed into the tray will result in an "Unplayable Disk".

Apparently it happens A LOT. It shows up in the repair FAQ at xbox.com and the customer service rep I spoke to immediatly recognized the problem telling me I wouldn't pay a dime for the repair.

I bought the 360 thinking all the people with malfunctions were idiots, that they probably ran the console encased in glass entertainment centers. I ensured my 360 was properly ventilated so I wouldn't have any problems. Now I'm waiting for my a box.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:39 PM

Twitchin

haha, that sucks man... never had a problem with my PS3 or my PSN
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Posted by mrgrim357 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:52 PM

how can you be so loyal to MS, even after they
rushed thier system gave you a brick some more than once? ever hear the saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me?
my cousin is on his 4th 360 had to pay extra for wifi and pays a monthly fee for live
while my PS3 is still running like a champ
wake up MS is "violating" you lol
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Posted by staychisel (BANNED) - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:57 PM

@mrgrim357, by your logic you were born into a family of retards.
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:59 PM

First of all, you must remember that numbers don't lie but people do. People have pointed out that only 5% of ps2's malfunctioned and the article states 30% of xbox 360s. Didn't the ps2 sell over 100 million units? So 5% of 100 million is actually quite comparable to the failure rate in the xbox 360. So by analyzing the numbers for the two sides of the argument, they are throwing each other's identical numbers back and forth.

For what it's worth, my ps1 had to be played upside down, my ps2's had disc read error, and my original xbox had the old school RROD.
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Posted by hiclaude - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:27 PM

We also need to take in account how people treat their consoles.

That being said, I treated my 360 like a queen and the btich divorced me. That, my friends, is bullpiss...
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Posted by TheKei - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:03 PM

@ Smartguy81

So you're saying that 5% of 100 million PS2s is "quite comparable" to 30% of 360s sold.
Let me check my math real quick (30% - 5% = 25%) O.K. done
So a 25% higher failure rate is identical.
Ummm... I'm thinking: Nope
Stay in school, do your homework, listen to your teachers and your parents, and for God sakes pay attention in math class. Your future is in your hands (especially when you're on the internet).
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Posted by mikemadorma - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:27 PM

in my opinion I think that ps3 fans should stop complaning about the 360 who cares the 360s fun system and has a better game line up
my 360 broke 3x and I dont care as long as I dont have to pay for the repair its all good
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Posted by Repo_man - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:20 PM

@mikemadorma

The MS fans should quit complaining abut the ps3 fans complaining about the 360. Your system SUX!!! Also the 360 fans need to quit tryin to brag about the 360s line up cuz a lot of their games are on the ps3 as well. Also...

@TheKei

lmao
That's some good advice
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:32 PM

Narocue the 5% ps2 fail rate is bs because many people like me at the time just brought a new 1 i had 2 and never reported it to them back then i just replaced em.
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Posted by raziel_hell - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:35 PM

friend of mine works in a game store they replaced about 2 or 3 lenzes a day for many years.not sure now they have the shelf for repairs in the back now.
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Posted by Aztec23 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:44 PM

Xbox 360 sucks thats all that needs to be said.
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Posted by neoix - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:00 PM

360 may have problems, but at least the 360 didn't lose one of its biggest exclusive titles before it came out. GTA IV is supposed to be better for the 360 now that I remember correctly. And I also remember something about exclusive DLC too.......
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Posted by bassgabe87 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:03 PM

it's basically a fact that the 360's failure rate is at or, probably, above 30%. the thing is, it's not all of the rrod's fault. mine failed three years after buying it (second wave of launch consoles) just last week because of a faulty disc reader. the machines are just not built for the long run (hopefully microsoft is doing something about this because the bad press has to be doing something). anyway, this is all a shame because of all of the next gen systems i have (all of them) the 360, imo, has the best games (not that the ps3 or the wii don't have ANY good games). obviously if all ur saying in this thread is "the 360 sucks" or "360 ftw" u've got to be some sort of fanboy. i'm just trying to bring a little objectivity to this thread.
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Posted by muffinman32 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:27 PM

right now i have one red flashing light on my modded case 360
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Posted by mutley416 - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:44 PM

It`s to bad, I want a Elite!!!, Don`t know why, we share all the same games now, but when they get it right I will buy a 360(whatevertheycallit), It`s the No system to come home to, that would piss me off, OMG 6 weeks of no gaming? And if your playing online games, you are out of the curve when you come back, that game will suck, your friends will have moved on and your selling your game @ ebay or Gamestop-
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Posted by LOAGEEKS (BANNED) - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:18 PM

Not a big gamer on the consoles, Im more of a PC guy. Just take a step back and look at things more logically here.

MS, Zune=ipod ripoff and MS does not support it 100%. Windows=you get what you paid for because of its glitchy OS. Xbox 360=breaking down left and right, everyone I know has had theirs breakdown. HDDVD add on=regarded as one of the worst HDDVD players by all Electronic Mags.

Microsoft is not a brand name that can equate to quality products. I feel that MS knows thier products are sub-par so they only support their products in a half ass manner.

Sure Sony has its problems but the PS2 are still selling strong with new games comming out for it unlike its competitors that no longer manufacture there consoles (GC,Xbox) nor release any new software for it.

For my money if Sony is so dedicated to their older console and software support (PS1 & 2) I feel that Sony will not back down and will support the PS3 threw thick and thin. Just my Opinion.
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Posted by Metal_Madman - Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:26 PM

Well I don't need an insider telling me what I already know. I'm on my 4th 360 in less than two years.

It's pretty obvious they rushed the product to market, and I think the defect rate is probably higher than 30%.
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Posted by BobitoZ - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:27 AM

If any other company besides MS had a 30% fail rate they would be out of business.

Common people, would you go back to any other company if they had a 30% fail rate?
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Posted by OwnerOfAll3 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:28 AM

i think its stupid i got the RROD. i think if your going to pay that much money for a console then it should work without any problems otherwise i can put that into a pc and have more of something that i want. i mainly play my ps3 now unless its an exclusive be cause of quality.
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Posted by deadmanrising - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:40 AM

wait... i think my ps2 had a problem like that 2 times before... my dad actually fixed it in like 10 seconds.
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Posted by icekingdom - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:27 AM

I'm tired of people acting like this kinda of fail rate is acceptable for any product, and yes other systems have problem I haven't had a problem with my ps3, but I know people who have. But there is a difference both in severity and in how offen it happens. Your willing to put up with it great, but don't act like your not getting screwed. MS should be giving everyone whos system fail one of the newer ones that fail a lot less, they would save money in repair cost.
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Posted by icekingdom - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:30 AM

Also I'm tired of people praising MS for doing what they HAD to do to avoid a law suite. With a fail rate like that you have to make up for it by making it as painless as posible to get it fixed or it would be a pr nightmare
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Posted by ash1300 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:03 AM

Very good and informative interview. I passed it to a friend in the contract electronics manufacturing industry who confirmed that it's pretty much on the money.

One thing some people seem to be missing is that the new processors do NOT solve the problem. Buying a 360 with a new processor (which is what I did) minimizes the RROD risks, but the fundamental design problems are still there.

But, the 360 has a lot of great games, so what can you do?
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Posted by gamer57 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:17 AM

I think rushing out the system is finally coming back to bite Microsoft in the ass. They should have taken notes from Sony. And I know Sony has not done everything perfect so far either but at least they took the time to get the right technology and put out a quality piece of machinery. I have not has any problems with my PS3. I also think by the end of 2008 the PS3 will claim the throne as the console leader. PS3 rocks!!!
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Posted by Sixaxis191 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:28 AM

Ok, the bottom line is... 360... SUX! Need I say more?
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Posted by Sixaxis191 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:45 AM

ok raziel_hell, I heve one of the very first ps3s' made and it still works. By brother got a 360 on the same day and it crashed one month later. He took it back and got another one and it crashed 2 weeks ago. So what does that say about microsux work? And by the way I dont know what you are talking about when you say that the ps2 sux also. Mine still works just fine. So i dont know what your friend in the game store is talking about. And as for the ps3 playing ps1 and ps2 games I have never had any trouble playing any game, but the 360... none of my x-box games will work and thay always have backwords compadibility updates but i still cant play any old stuff. NOW WHAT!!
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Posted by ash1300 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:21 AM

Very good and informative interview. I passed it to a friend in the contract electronics manufacturing industry who confirmed that it's pretty much on the money.

One thing some people seem to be missing is that the new processors do NOT solve the problem. Buying a 360 with a new processor (which is what I did) minimizes the RROD risks, but the fundamental design problems are still there.

But, the 360 has a lot of great games, so what can you do?
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Posted by COG287 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:24 AM

my xbox 360 elite wich cost me 500 bucks is currently at microsoft getting fixed and this experience has inspired me to buy a ps3,it will break again and when that happens ill still be next gen with the ps3.

GO NEXT GEN!!!
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Posted by ShinGino - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:25 PM

Easy answer:

UNLESS you've been leaving under rock for a whole year, then you know that YES it is true that the 360 fails 30-33%.

360's happen to be made cheaply, that's why they're not very reliable.

PS3's cost more to make, and are sold for less, that's why they don't fail more than 0.1%.

Fact,
Period.
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Posted by mcp3 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:41 PM

If my Elite red rings, then im getting a PS3 case closed.
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Posted by tays014 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:38 PM

Get a PS3 then buddy cuz its inevitable and the stronger the game the quicker your 360 will crash will if GTA IV is strong uh oh and DMC4 and all these GREAT GAMES (yeah right) will crash your 360 LMAO at Dicrosoft
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Posted by justarebel - Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:10 AM

Everyone I know still have there original 360s and most bought them on launch day. Oh and I have had mine for 2 years never had RROD video went out and MS gave me a new one. Replaced it for free.
@ TheKei
actually smartguy81 is correct
30% of 100 = 30, 100*.30= 30
5% of 600= 30 , 600 * .05= 30
30=30
So yes a smaller percentage of a higher number can be comparable to a higher percentage of a smaller number
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Posted by Smartguy81 - Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:31 AM

TheKei,

Perhaps you should study math, or better yet, perhaps take a statistics class. What is 5% of 110 million(didn't they sell more than this)??? How about 5 million. What is 30% of 20 million(rough estimate of installed 360s)??? How about close to 6 million. I know the difference between 30 and 5, however comparing failure rate of installed units must be realized in proportion.
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Posted by valo133 - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:12 PM

my xbox 360 screwed up also. when i called the microsoft company and went through the very nice and easy electronic information process i finally got a hold of a operator that took down my information and stuff in order to send me the empty box i had to pack my 360 away in. when asked why my 360 was malfunctioning the operator said that it was due to "hard drive failure" so i sent the 360 back which i was told that it was going to take 6 yes 6 weeks for me to get it back. did not take as long at all.i recieved my 360 next week. in the box contained a letter of apology from mirosoft.which also said to speed up the delivery process they just sent me a brand spankin new 360 for no extra charge and mine has not messed up since "knock on wood" but eh thank god its not a playstation 3 :)
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Posted by valo133 - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:14 PM

my xbox 360 screwed up also. when i called the microsoft company and went through the very nice and easy electronic information process i finally got a hold of a operator that took down my information and stuff in order to send me the empty box i had to pack my 360 away in. when asked why my 360 was malfunctioning the operator said that it was due to "hard drive failure" so i sent the 360 back which i was told that it was going to take 6 yes 6 weeks for me to get it back. did not take as long at all.i recieved my 360 next week. in the box contained a letter of apology from mirosoft.which also said to speed up the delivery process they just sent me a brand spankin new 360 for no extra charge and mine has not messed up since "knock on wood" but eh thank god its not a playstation 3 :)
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Posted by valo133 - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:17 PM

i also want to say "sony don't try so hard to go up against the 360 i mean its not your fault you wewre late to the whole next gen movement or that your games crash due to low memory or you were trying to rip people off for 5 600 dollars for a shiny piece of waast of money its okay. you know sony you should go and just take a lesson out of the sega book and say to yourself "if you can't beat'em join'em" :)
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Posted by Tman88 - Sunday, September 7, 2008 3:53 PM

The main thing is is that reliability is important and Microsoft is doing a good thing by repairing or giving free new systems. I'm currently on my 2nd and so is my brother. I also have a PS3 and a Wii. In my opinion, the PS3 is the best system when it comes to overall quality. I'm not trying to say anything against other systems because I like them all. I also believe that the PS3 is much more than a Blu-ray player and it, like the 360, has good exclusives worth playing and the fact that Blu-ray discs can hold 50 GB really does help developers. MGS4 actually uses all of the 50 GB and other games might not use all of the space but they do use most of it. Bottom line is that when it comes to system development, it's about quality and not quantity and hopefully that will continue to be thought of when the next generation of consoles are being developed.
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