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Once And For All: No 'MGS 4' For 360

Posted by Stephen Johnson - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:22 AM

The rumors that Metal Gear Solid 4 is going multi-platform have been swirling around the internet since the mid 1940s, but, according to Konami, it's just not going to happen. The game will be playable only by Sony fans.

A Konami spokesperson told thegamereviews.com:  "For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game."

But still, it could happen, right? In other words, while it's highly unlikely that MGS 4 will come out on the 360, it's still physically possible, and in an infinite Universe, anything that isn't impossible is happening right now, has always happened and will continue to happen, so we are forced to conclude that Metal Gear Solid 4 has always been available on the 360.

We're playing it right now on the 360 in our imagination, and it's awesome!

thegamereviews.com:  Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of the Patriots


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Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:46 AM
MSG4 may be a great game but it is not a system seller. It does not have the mass appeal that games like Halo and SMG have.

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:47 AM
great. now i DO have to buy a ps3. looks like i didn't dodge that bullet after all.

Posted by X_Complication - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:49 AM
um take that?

Posted by jargy1 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:49 AM
That cracked me up for no apparent reason. The whole 1940s reference was a great one. And MGS is a system seller. It was the first major system seller for PS2 when MGS2 hit. Prior to that the sales had been good but not fantastic. I'm just glad Sony and Microsoft will both need big titles after this. I'm sick of MGS and Halo. Mario can continue forever and as long as it stays as good as it always has been I'll be there.

Posted by Ruscle - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:54 AM
FLAME ON!! Oh and the 1940 reference is funny.

Posted by scotthea01 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:59 AM
LOL. hetman says, "it's not a system seller" and then fedaykin says "now I DO have to buy a ps3." System seller? I think so. How many will be sold will have to wait til that fateful day when this title is released. The fact that 360 fans can't seem to let this rumor die is testament to the appeal this game has.

Posted by colourings - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:08 AM
I call shenanigans. MGS2 wasn't suppose to be on anything but PS2.

Metal Gear Solid is a love it or hate it series and I personally can't stand it so meh.
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Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:08 AM
@hetman-
While you have gained inasmuch of respect from me as I give, I must say that you are wrong. PARTIALLY. It will sell systems, as people wanting to play this game will have to buy a PS3 to do so. However, due to the audience of this game franchise (which has increased with every installment), the PS3 sales will not go from good to fantastic. This may be due in part to the low price of the 360, and will also be contributed to the many people that anticipated this and bought the PS3 ahead of time.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:10 AM
@colourings-
In case you haven't noticed, this is MGS4, not MGS2. And I believe that MGS2 was also an exclusive. But thanks to Remote Play, you should also be able to play this on your PSP.

Posted by deleted_A717893D-78A2-4C79-89D3-748218161949 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:10 AM
http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php

Hardware: Console Weekly Total
903,959 (-) 64,585,297
609,917 (-) 19,203,390
PS3-------- 390,585 (-) 8,861,659
375,719 (-) 114,886,925
334,931 (-) 29,597,566
xbobx360--- 330,300 (-) 16,023,566
47,236 (-) 79,546,413
2,415 (-) 21,512,362
Total 2,995,062

Posted by deleted_A717893D-78A2-4C79-89D3-748218161949 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:11 AM
http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php

Hardware: Console Weekly Total
903,959 (-) 64,585,297
609,917 (-) 19,203,390
PS3-------- 390,585 (-) 8,861,659
375,719 (-) 114,886,925
334,931 (-) 29,597,566
xbobx360--- 330,300 (-) 16,023,566
47,236 (-) 79,546,413
2,415 (-) 21,512,362
Total 2,995,062

Posted by thecolorred199 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:12 AM
Yes MGS4 is a system seller. It's gonna start the Sony train since Killzone 2 comes out around the same time. It's just funny because everyone was talking smack about the 360 until Gears of War came out. Don't forget the 360 was losing to the PS2 until that game came out.

Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:15 AM
MGS4 will be lucky to sell over a million copies. I personally already plan on buying a ps3 because of UT and the ability to dload mods. That is enough for me. I just cannot see this boosting the sells of PS3's like Halo did for the 360. I think FF at least in Japan will be the real system seller for the PS3. Look what it did for the psp.
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Posted by santjnthn - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:17 AM
Well, it will be a loss for Konami. They are not going to make what they have spent on just releasing it on PS3. Uncharted, Lair, Jack & D or even Heavenly S have not seen such great sales on PS3, MGS4 will suffer the same. That is the same reason why Square Enix is on the fence right now. Exclusive contracts for this generation is a gamble that really takes some looking into. The cost of making games these days can affect how much revenue one can make back from only one system release. Sony has not convince consumers how much better that PS3 really is. Games on each system all look and play the same. Acception to the Bluray player that's built in. Nothing more has been done to really say, wow, that system is worth spending the extra money and where are the really good games. MGS4 is not really a system seller. GTA4 is. Exclusive content on Xbox 360 is going to sell systems..

Posted by play3rtwo - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:18 AM
Considering halo 3 was a dissapointment, I wouldn't bank too highly on any game. MGS for the Playstation One was a system seller just as much as Final Fantasy VII was. It's all about taste. The 360 has it's perks, so does the PS3 (remote play anyone?)

Posted by staychisel - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:19 AM
mgs4 could sell systems, but only the hardcore fans actually care about that game anymore and mose of them should have already bought a ps3. the only selling it's going to do is to the ps2 owners who don't already own a ps3.

IMO of course.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:20 AM
Don't mean to hijack this posting, but I've got a question.
I know it's possible to install foreign operating systems on the PS3. So if I were to install XP on a PS3 and, using a hardware emulator, I could, in theory at least, play PC games too? Has anybody else ever had that thought?

Innocent question, all. No need to flame on this posting.

Posted by staychisel - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:23 AM
oh yeah and santjnthn has a good point. exclusive content for gta4 is what sold me on the 360. that and the lack of anything really for the ps3 at the time i bought it earlier this year.

Posted by DozertheDozarian - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:32 AM
Ya know, to say that it isn't going to be a system seller is kind of subjective. Kind of. From a personal standpoint, it may not be enough to make you, personally, purchase the system. However, others will feel that they need to purchase the system in order to simply play this game.

I think MGS will drive some sales for the PS3. I agree with some of the other comments that it won't drive them to the extent that Halo 3 did or the Wii's family-friendly concept did. I don't don't think that SMG drove sales of that system more than families thought they could do it together. Hence the casual and first-time gamers associated with the Wii...

Posted by DozertheDozarian - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:33 AM
All that aside, I think MGS is going to sell just fine. I also think that they should breakdown and release it to more platforms. But I'm just a guy with a computer and money to spend... What does my opinion count for...

Posted by aploex - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:33 AM
well GOOD for the people who own a PS3 ( I do)

why do xbox360 owners think EVERY game should be made for 360?

im glad Metla gear solid was not made for 360

Posted by Animepunk2103 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:36 AM
Im not going to get into a bashing battle today. But i would like to Laugh Out Loud to all the people who were telling me yesturday that MGS4 was coming to the 360.

@nicknotsuitableforG4:

I saw those numbers today for the first time too! Its great that the PS3 is outselling the 360 now. I dont think that will change for awhile. Hell even the PS2 is outselling the 360. Its about time people are starting to recognize the superior system.

Posted by the_sparrow666 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:46 AM
MGS4 is NOT a system seller. its for hardcore fans who already have a PS3. Plus, that franchise has gone stale, i used to love it but after the last one, meh.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:48 AM
All the games xbots don't want going cross-platform, but they would want our exclusives,
but I told those Fking monkeys yesterday to give it up, Kojima most likely wanted a machine that could show off his final masterpiece i.e, not the plzfixme.

Square-Enix never stated that they were on the fence about FF 13 or verus 13, which is why they are dveloping an original IP for the plzfixme, so you monkeys don't feel left out,
I thought it was Last Remnant but thats on both systems.FF 13 and versus 13 is not a cross-platform game, but you monkeys will
get a nice RPG from SE.

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:53 AM
wait, i take it back: if i could rent a ps3, i'd maybe do that for MGS4. but that's a good point about FF, deathsdelivery, and if it doesn't go cross-paltform, then and only then will i buy another sony product.

Posted by colourings - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:54 AM
@KratosFan

I was eluding to the fact that it was said that MGS2 was meant to be exclusive at one point and as we can see, someone was incorrect.

Posted by sinister6972 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:55 AM
It all means one thing........go buy yourself a PS3!!!!!!!!!!

Don't hate, appreciate!!!!

Hey, I love the 360 too but whatever it comes out for I'm all for it. Plus, the holidays just passed, right?

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:08 AM
@fedaykin0

Then start preparing to get your PS3, FF 13 and verus 13 are only on PS3, I know for a fact, Not that they are big shots in Sony,
but I got family in one of the higher hierarchy
of Sonys offices, over in J@pan, and they keep me posted on somethings that might pique my interest, plus when I am done with college, I am moving there, to work for Sony, or Square-Enix.Plus the game they are developing for the plzfixme is a shooter type game, not a RPG as previously thought.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:10 AM
fedaykin0

also when you do get it, let me know your ID and you will have a friend on your list off the bat.

Posted by santjnthn - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:13 AM
I'm an Xbox owner. I don't feel that all Xbox 360 games should just be exclusive or vise versa. Unless they are published by the respecting system developer. Remember how a bunch of Sony fans were bent out of shape because of Devil May Cry 4. So much that a petition was created on the net. Konami is not owned by Sony just like Capcom is not own by Sony. Hey, like I said ealier, it will impact Konami in sales. Something Square Enix is really looking into with Final Fantasy. Some developers out there jumped the gun with contracts with out seeing how the market would turn out. Who would have thought the Wii would have taken off, who would have thought that PS3 would end up at third place so far. MGS4 must have been contracted long before this was started assuming that Sony would have been the system to have, but look at it now. That is why Capcom and some other developers did not make that same mistake.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:17 AM
@santjnthn-

"At least I have chicken." Leeroy Jenkins

Gaming prevails!

Posted by icedbirdman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:18 AM
Halo 3 did not boost the 360 sales most people who had a 360 alreaady were waiting on that game. the game is out and the buzz is over. If you want to play MSG4 you must get a PS3. The fact is Games are not scarce on the PS3 any longer and 08 I feel is going to be a breakout year for the PS3. Already sitting on great titles such as Uncharted and Rachet, the PS3 is coming along. the 360 came out is 05 was weak in 06 and came along in 07. the PS3 came out in 06 and started making moves in 07(end). MS is possibly releasing a HD DVD model to try and rally the 360 cause the the PS3 is coming along.
-Developers woes are over
-Games are equal if not better on the PS3
-Dualshock 3
-Enhanced PSN

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:22 AM
@deathsdelivery: i've been coming to terms with it for some time. damn. that ps3 is such an eyesore. but i'm an absolute w#0re for FF. dammit!

Posted by Jimbodawg - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:27 AM
wtf is up with this then?
http://gamepro.com/news.cfm? article_id=154608

Posted by Jimbodawg - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:29 AM
Sorry about the spaces, I posted this on my ps3

Posted by Jimbodawg - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:31 AM
Sorry about the spaces, I posted this on my ps3

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:31 AM
@jimbodawg:

d00d, check the date on that. . .

Posted by Ashley_Hawkins3802 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:32 AM
Now Now people calm down, calm ur asses down...wait a minute. I'm not worried about it anymore cause I have a XBOX 360 and a Playstation 3, sucks for the guys that dont have one, and besides stop the fanboy ish. The Playstation 3 and the XBOX 360 is off the CHAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:32 AM
The only thing 360 has over PS3 is XBL,
but with that said developers, save for Rockstar, are leaning towards PSN because
Sony does not put a big gap between gamers and developers, 50 megs is the limit on live, there is no limit on PSN, developers are taking their time with PS3 games to see what their imagination can come up with, due to the freedom Sony gives them.
MS= take from the consumer, give a lttle
Sony= Take a litle from the consumer, give them more.Sony is about innovation, always has been, MS loves to just give you guys watered-down PC games and you all drink it right in, giving fuel to a monster thats needs to be stopped.

Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:32 AM
@icebirdman. That is totally wrong. Halo increased the amount of 360's being sold. If you remember when halo was released the next week was the first time that the 360 sold more units than the wii.

Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:33 AM
@deathsdeliver. Stop acting like sony is some type of charitable donation company. They are not. They are just like ms they want your money. Their not doing it because it is a nice thing to do. They are doing it because they need to be profitable or their stock holders will lose money.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:34 AM
icedbirdman put it right with the past and present of both systems, which all you xbots seem to forget, 360 was only selling because people wanted to say "I am next-gen, your so last gen", yet the systems software stunk to high heaven.Sony can't endure the same up-hill battle without a bunch of monkeys automatically calling fail, these monkeys need their gamer cards taken away and if they come within 50" feet of any console, shoot 'em in the back.

Posted by Jimbodawg - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:34 AM
it was today at 10:16 am

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:36 AM
@deathsdelivery: don't forget that M$ is going to give us robots. to screw us.

cheers 4 the invite-ish.

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM
@jimbodawg: odd. i copy/pasted and i got some post from about two years ago...

Posted by santjnthn - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM
@ icedbirdman - You are right, people who had an Xbox 360 did buy Halo 3, but you are wrong when you said that it did not sell systems because it did, and what will continue to sell systems is the on going poplular games. Exclusive content (GTA4), Also the fact that Xbox 360 turned out more games than both the Wii and PS3. Xbox 360 is selling more based on games, not because of one game, but because of the many games worth having the system for. MGS4 may sell systems, but MGS4 can't be the one reason to own a PS3, there has to be more must haves. Lair, Hevenly S, J & D, Drakes Uncharted. Sony needs to bring out games that sells system, not bet on one games that might.

Posted by staychisel - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:38 AM
let's all keep in mind that this game is still not coming out for several months. you all get to play the waiting game until then.

sucks to be you!

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:39 AM
@hetman


I am not saying Sony is not after our money,
its just that they seem to give a fk about
gamers more than MS, and thank 3rd party support for the subpar library of games 360 has, had little to do with MS besides the hardware being the first on the market, which, yes can make a big difference,Ipod vs. Zune for example.
I am glad the xbot monkeys will be able to see why DMC rocks so much, but some games just are meant for 1 system, Halo, MGS4, and FF.
But hey give me Gear of War, that game was the only one I played on any of 360, which is why I sold it for scraps, my PC runs the game awesomely.

Posted by Jimbodawg - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:42 AM
@santjnthn
lair sux, but i am looking foward to the space ps3s year, littlebigplanet, haze, infamous. plus whenever l.a noire comes out itll be great because its so big it wont even fit on the 360s puny little dvds, only on BD.

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:43 AM
Deathsdelivery, your forgetting about getting what you pay for. I've played both 360 and PS3 online and there's a huge difference. XBL costs money, but I never lagged once online. On the same IP we hooked up my buddy's PS3 and it lagged like hell. On top of that, XBL has a huge library of downloadable content, PSN..... not so much.

But about MGS4, I really don't care about it not being on the 360. You see, I like my stories to actually make sense. I also like to play my games, not watch cutscenes for 20 minutes. I also like realistic stealth games, where I actually have to think about what I'm doing, not hide in a cardboard box.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:43 AM
@staychisel

Ohhh, Im not an impatience turd who expects games to be out all quick like, just for my fking sake, yeah Konami don't polish up the game and make it greater than it could have been if you hurried it along like a system looking for a headstart, only to have a 30%+
failure rating.
Konami screw the quality, just give it to me now.

Posted by sparda_11 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:48 AM
Bu&%^#&!

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:50 AM
One more thing PS3 fans. STOP BRINGING UP THE RROD!!!!! IT'S NOT A VALID ARGUEMENT ANYMORE. RROD is a problem on one batch of motherboards where it wasn't cooling properly causing the system to fail. Changes have been made to the board design and every board since runs cooler and quieter.

How do I know this? I work for Gamestop repairing 360's, PS3's and Wii's.

Posted by Doughnut62 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:51 AM
who cares I never liked MGS any way

Posted by santjnthn - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:51 AM
@ Jimbodawg - Dude, it did not stop Microsoft from making Lost Odyssey which is released on 4 DVD 9's. Does is really matter. I don't mind changing disc's and that comment is irrelevant, no game is stoping Microsoft from releasing because of space. There has not been one game ever turned down because of space issues. So far there have been only two games I know so far that has multiple discs and that is Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey and I did not hear anyone complain about changing discs. You can release a game on Bluray because of space but that still does not make the system worth getting if the games are not that good.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:51 AM
@audallas84

I have not seen lag on my connections, so thats a moot point in my ears.
Content is still limited, as for gaming,
But developers are leaning towards the PSN
for the freedom of content they can provide their consumers, yets see, 1 year of content over the comp, yeah you should have a fking lot.

Yeah lets play games that help escape the trails and tribulations of real-life, just to have the game simulate real-life to fking tee.
That makes sense.NOT!

Posted by TruMax - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:54 AM
http://www.pcworld.com/article /id,140968-pg,1/article.html

Posted by fedaykin0 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:56 AM
@santjnthn: FF7.

Posted by icedbirdman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:00 AM
audallas84
yeah you get what you pay for.......
theyll ban you if you sneeze and the service has been on and off for the last 3 weeks. if I pay for it it damn sure better work. I have never had a prob with PSN and its free. Psn is getting better everyday and Home is on the was

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:00 AM
Subpar library of games on the 360? Clearly you haven't picked up a 360 controller. Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3, Condemned, Naruto, Gears of War and Dead Rising are all exclusives that got great reviews.

What does the PS3 have? Resistance, warhawk and Drakes fortune. that's it. With Lair and Heavenly sword not being up to par thats the only reason to get a PS3 at this point.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:00 AM
So Sony finally woke up and opened up their wallet for Konami.

I guess they realized that if they lose the MGS exclusive, they have lost the console wars.

This is good news for XBox users because we don't want a monopoly. Monopoly gives a company the power to give you garbage and you have no choice but to consume it. Just look at the history of the Playstation.

The 16-bit era produced the most awesome games, why, because Sega and Nintendo were neck and neck in competition.

As much as I'd like to see Sony dead and buried, I also don't want to see the rich nerd in Seatle screwing up the console market like Sony did.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:04 AM
@audallas84

you listed two games worth playing, I got RROD on 4, count em punk, 4 fking plzfixmes
so I know what I am talking about, unlike most of the dickheads on this site I try then I say whats on my mind
I had 4 of those crap boxes, had about 45 games,
and only played 1 of them, them it bricked on me, so fk MS, and if you don't like my opinion fk you too.

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:06 AM
Downloadable content has a fee because someone has to pay for the developer taking time to make it in the first place. However, if you wait about a month or two, downloadable content loses its value and you get it for free. the only downloadable content I have yet to pay for is stuff for oblivion.

As for developers leaning towards sony, name some, because I have yet to hear of any. In fact I've heard multiple times that the PS3 development tools are harder than 360's, which is why shared titles like GRAW and Rainbow Six Vegas don't translate well. If you dont believe me on that one, check out the reviews shared titles.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:07 AM
"icedbirdman

Halo 3 did not boost the 360 sales most people who had a 360 alreaady were waiting on that game."


That's funny because the week Halo 3 came out, 360 sales tripled.

Hmmm... Maybe it's time to breathe the air outside your ass.

Posted by icedbirdman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:11 AM
Sony is losing the consol war by whose numbers.
360 had a year headstart and was overtaken by the wii. PS3 cost the more and it still beat out the 360 numbers in head to head and far as the first year goes and it is helping to destroy HD DVD where every you see a loss its not for the Playstation brand. 360 keeps reienventing their system to keep up with the PS3. the only limiting factor for the PS3 is the programmers and they are comming along in a strong fashion. 08 is the year. a more affordable sku, daulshock 3, home, and a more impressive PSN showing. Sony is coming and the games have started to drop already so just quit hating

Posted by icedbirdman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:12 AM
dougdangger
wheres your source?

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:13 AM
wow, deathsdelivery, I must've struck a nerve.

Only two games worth playing? obviously everyone in the gaming world disagrees with you because all the titles I named, both 360 and PS3 got perfect reviews on not only G4, but Gameinformer, gamespy, ect. ect.

As for being banned on XBL, you only get banned if you cheat or mess with your hardware. I've been on XBL since it started on the original Xbox and I still play with the same group of 40 people, none of us being even threatened with a ban.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:16 AM
@audallas84


Old ass titles who cares now,developers already stated that X-platform games will start life on the PS3 hardware, meaning Equally made game, if not better for 360,
making 360 games smoother in detail,
and better looking.
The Tomb Raider camp is the first, but will not be the last, to say that the flexibility
given on PSN is better for developers who want to make awesome ass DLoadable content, XBL while not as strict as they used to be, is still rigid enough to make radical game dev.
look to the PSN for the freedom that they need.
Tell those monkeys at MS to lighten up, because that is a big deal wether you know it or not.

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:17 AM
wow, deathsdelivery, I must've struck a nerve.

Only two games worth playing? obviously everyone in the gaming world disagrees with you because all the titles I named, both 360 and PS3 got perfect reviews on not only G4, but Gameinformer, gamespy, ect. ect.

As for being banned on XBL, you only get banned if you cheat or mess with your hardware. I've been on XBL since it started on the original Xbox and I still play with the same group of 40 people, none of us being even threatened with a ban.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:18 AM
from dougdangger-
"This is good news for XBox users because we don't want a monopoly. Monopoly gives a company the power to give you garbage and you have no choice but to consume it. Just look at the history of the Playstation."
"screwing up the console market like Sony did."
@dougdangger-
Here you go again, spouting the most ignorant hist. In case you were wondering, Sony has been in the console market a LOT longer than Microsoft. You remember the PS1? You know, the grey box that dominated the N64? Sony revolutionized the console market, they didn't screw it up.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:19 AM
funny how Sony said "rumble features are LAST GENERATION" that's why they took it out of the PS3 initially.

Now they're bringing it back and want you to pay EXTRA for it.

LOL! Gotta love the irony.


Sony LOST more exclusives the first year than the PS2 GAINED... so sorry sony boys, PS3 will trail behind everyone else.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:21 AM
Microsoft entered the console market to turn a profit. They didn't get into it to help gamers. You're about as smart as a chicken running around with it's head cut off.

Wait, not even that smart. What rock did you crawl out from underneath? In what igloo did your parents commit the act of incest that produced the breathing lump of lard that is you?

Posted by ztron500 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:21 AM
Either console MGS4 comes out for i'm going to buy it cus I got both systems.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:22 AM
You damn right, lets say you buy a xbox 360 , it RROD on you, you send it in, they fix it for free, then you start playing agian , whoops RROD again, send it in, you have to pay,
S o I buy a new one same thing, another one same thing, and yet another one(gears of war is that awesome to me) same thing happens, would you still have the same stock in that company that continually screwed you over,

I am a converted ex-xbot, now Sony Good durable hardware, with software not to far off in the future, besides Elder Scrolls when the 360 launched all it had was soupped up sports games
which I don't care about, plus patience is a virtue and if you think PS3 does not have games worth palying, you have not played it.
Where most rely on reviews from others, I deal with exp. and Sony ahll rise again.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
still @dougdangger-
Sony lost the exclusives because the 360 was being released a year earlier. It was a business venture on the part of those companies.

Imagine if everything was reversed and the PS3 had come out first? It would have more games, it would have more exclusives, stuff like that. You just don't understand business maneuvers, do you?

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
"You remember the PS1? You know, the grey box that dominated the N64?"

The PSOne had MANY MANY MANY garbage games. Majority of N64 games were FAR FAR better than the trash from the PSOne.

Sony had NOTHING that can touch Mario64, Zela OOT and Golden Eye.


"Sony revolutionized the console market, they didn't screw it up."

They screwed it up. The market was great when Nintendo and Sega was duking it out.

The market will be fine without Sony.

Posted by EVAzero - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:23 AM
I could care less about MGS4. Am I the only one who isn't impressed with the trailers? I think they suck and I don't see why people care for the game so much from them. The fight scene is the worst! Stupid.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:28 AM
"Microsoft entered the console market to turn a profit."

If you weren't an idiot, you'd know that Microsoft LOST big time with the original XBox and barely made a profit.

They also aren't profitting very well with the 360. Microsoft makes most of its money with software and the numerous investments they make outside the computer world.


Sony makes major profit by selling people 5h1tty electronics to morons and charging an arm and a leg.

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:28 AM
Mass Effect, Bioshock, Halo 3 and Naruto are titles that have shipped within the last few months.

As for shared titles running smoother on the PS3, no, not really. go read the reviews for the shared titles. most will say that the graphics actually look worse. If you want some examples go to gamespy and read their reviews for rainbow six and the orange box if you want some examples.

And once again, what developers are you talking about? you have yet to name any. And what freedom are you talking about? you know as well as I do that sony will regulate it's content just as much as ms does because it doesn't want kids downloading inappropriate content.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:28 AM
STILL @ dougdangger-
Go read the thread a couple postings up about the Xbox Ultimate. G4, a better authority on all things gaming, is saying that this new Xbox would have the power of a PS3.

Incontrovertible proof that the PS3 has superior hardware.

@Fellow commenters-
I need some help trying to convince this histface to get his head out of his ass. I guess being the inferior form of life that he is makes it hard for him to listen to reason.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:30 AM
@dougdangger-
I said they tried to turn a profit. Doesn't mean they succeeded. And if you don't like the game market, get out.

Besides, if the consoles that Sony makes are such pieces of crap, then why are they the most well-known corporation around the world for video games? Why do people buy the product if it sucks?

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:35 AM
@dougdangger-
I'm about to lose my stance on the fact that the fanboy war should be over by now, and really take Sony's side. I can't believe the stupid tihs that you're spouting.

Whatever, though. You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:35 AM
Sony WAS a leader in the tv world, not anymore.

Samsung, Panasonic, Toshiba and Sharp are just a few tv manufacturers who make BETTER and CHEAPER tvs than Sorny.


I'm glad that Sorny is not making as many PCs as they used to. Their desktops were overpriced POS while their laptops get urinated on by cheaper and better ones from Dell, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP and Acer.

Sony = crap.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:36 AM
Thats because alot of companies are still porting from 360 to PS3, if its reversed than games on both systems will be better.Your not reading what I am posting properly dicksnot,not old games,, the new ones need to start life on the PS3 for a smooth transition
when you port inferior code to a supieror machine, the game will suffer

White engine, which is FF 13 and verus 13 is running on, cannot be ran on the 360,
Plus this is weird, Square-Enix has bought a Unreal engine licence, for an up coming shooter game for the 360.

I am not talking about movies and show dls,
I am talking about game-related content, I am in school to develope games, and MS has restrictions left and right, aside from file size regulations, that Sony sees as being ridiculous.

Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:36 AM
@kratosfan. That is not true. Nintendo is and will always be synonomys with gaming. Nintendo is a company that is over 100 years old. They are way more well known for gaming than sony will every be. Espicailly when you look at the success of the wii.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:37 AM
Not where game consoles come in. I'll give you the computers, and the TVs, but that's it.

Posted by KratosFan - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:39 AM
@hetman-
My last comment was not directed at you. It was meant for the ignorant kcufssa that calls himself dougdangger.

BTW dougdangger, "dangger" only has one g, you stupid kcufasskcid.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:40 AM
"As for shared titles running smoother on the PS3, no, not really. go read the reviews for the shared titles. most will say that the graphics actually look worse."

True.

Madden 08 is choppy and slow on the PS3

Assassin's Creed is also choppy and slow on the PS3.


PS3 is a hype machine. If you take out blowray, there is nothing special about it.

The 360 is a far superior hardware.

Sony says that they hardware is a "supercomputer". Then how come the supercomputer of a PS2 is outgunned in power by a Celeron powered X-Box1? LOL!

Sony is all about gimmicks.

Watch your back, they might send their "giant enemy crabs" after you.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:40 AM
5H1tty electronics are built in this country,
thats why Iphones are so amazing to people here, but in j@pan their like..Meh!
After the BS I went through with MS, I even changed my OS and use bootcamp to run my emulators.

Posted by MrBig200 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:42 AM
@hetman

yes keep telling your self that if it will make you better tonight

Posted by grunto - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:44 AM
MGS4 not being on 360 is a suprise to who? and @ dougdanger, wtf are u babling about, this is a console war not a friggin tv/computer war. also @ sum1 who said GTA4 exclusive 360 content is system selling..... no1 is going to fork over 350$ just to get a few extra cars and a small extended storyline. if GTA4 is a system seller it will be for both consoles with the side kicker of the consoles other games which the ps3 will have the advantage by the time GTA comes out(poker refrence). also Rockstar still supports sony over M$. hence the delay so the game can run better on ps3 hardware.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:45 AM
"BTW dougdangger, "dangger" only has one g, you stupid kcufasskcid. "

It's not supposed to "danger" moron. It's "dang-ger".

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:48 AM
"also Rockstar still supports sony over M$. hence the delay so the game can run better on ps3 hardware."

Rockstar didn't do it for their love for Sorny. They didn't it so that one version wouldn't be rubbish. A rubbish title isn't something big developers look forward to.

So yes, Rockstar had to sweat bullets, develop the PS3 version 3 times longer and cost 3 times more. Smart huh.

Posted by audallas84 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:49 AM
or GTA is delayed because the PS3 is harder to develop for

Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:50 AM
@mrbig200. Go outside and ask random people of all age groups to name a game console. I gurantee most people will say nintendo. They are the first and they have a completly devoted fan base in Japan. The gamecube which might be one of the worst consoles ever made did really well in Japan. How do you explain that if it is not for customer loyalty and brand recognition?

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:55 AM
"GTA is delayed because the PS3 is harder to develop for"

100% correct.

The 360's version has been ready MONTHS ago. Rockstar had to delay for several months because the PS3 version is crap. So now, instead of developing the sequel to GTA4 or another great game, they have to waste time and money trying to make the PS3's version to come close to the 360s.

Smart.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:59 AM
@hetman


I goota admit I was one of those loyal, yet stupid nintendo lovers, but I hate them now,
I wish and its only my wish, that they would go the way of Sega. PS3 and 360 versions of Metroid or Zelda, Smash Bro. with Samus vs, Master Queef. Now thats a wish I wish I would get.

Posted by milhouse91 - Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:59 AM
I haven't even finished MGS3 yet! Sons of Liberty was such a scarring experience that I don't think I care about Guns of the Patriots. I still can't get naked Raiden cartwheels out of my head.

Posted by hetman - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:02 PM
@deathsdelivery. I can be seeing upset in the game cube. But seriously the wii has gotten me back on bored with nintendo. SMG is almost perfect if you ask me.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:05 PM
"I goota admit I was one of those loyal, yet stupid nintendo lovers, but I hate them now,
I wish and its only my wish, that they would go the way of Sega. "

I guess you hate innovation. Nintendo is the only company that is truly innovative in this generation.

Sony has done nothing but copy Nintendo and Microsoft.

Sony copied the Wii's motion sensing. Sony copied Microsoft's online play, wireless controller and hard drive in a console.

Sony does NOT innovate. Massive damage for Sony.

Posted by EliteWiitard - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:08 PM
Wow 100 comments.....and I haven't read any of them.

Posted by Anorexic_Panda - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:09 PM
dougdangger i love u for pointing out what i have been saying for about a year and a half now.

Also yaaaaaa 101st post

Posted by Anorexic_Panda - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:10 PM
damn u elite u took my posting spot now i was a lame 102 and 103 post

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:13 PM
@dougdangger


No, I love innovation,
But I doubt flailing my arms around, and playing games that looked bad 2 years ago to
be that innovative, Its like the virtual boy all over again, except with success.
FK Nintendo.

Posted by dougdangger - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:17 PM
"No, I love innovation,
But I doubt flailing my arms around, and playing games that looked bad 2 years ago to
be that innovative,"

I'm sure the guys at Nintendo who drive around in $100,000 cars, live in expensive homes and has the burden of having sex with 3 hot chicks at the same time care a lot of what you have to say about their console.

Posted by deathsdelivery - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:19 PM
Like you should punk.

Posted by dillybar - Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:20 PM
@dougdangge