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Posted by Stephen Johnson - Monday, July 02, 2007 8:53 AM


How about a Monday morning, console flame war?

Today's bait is brought to you by Ted Price, Insomniac Games CEO, who, in an interview with GameDaily BIZ, said, "The PS3 has become the whipping boy for the press, quite honestly. I think everyone just wants to fill it full of arrows because Sony's had some pretty amazing success over the years. And it's easy to overlook that it's been, I think, the fastest selling PlayStation console. I think it's human nature to want to take down the guy on top."

Strong words. Is the press holding the PlayStation 3 up to an unrealistic standard out of a desire to watch success turn into failure, or are the PS3 problems reported by the media due to, well, accurate reporting of actual problems with the console?

Either way, you can read more interesting quotes at the link below.

GameDaily Biz: Ted Price: PS3 Has Become 'Whipping Boy' for Press

Permalink Tags: PlayStation 3, Videogames


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Posted by deleted_2A60520C-F046-4DAE-A013-2E8492E598A5 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:04 AM

Same old crap to continue:
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Posted by rumorofhope - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:06 AM

I hate to say it, but I've never understood how my PS3's lack of games could compare with the hardware problems I've had with the 360 (which is still my favorite system, due to the games). Right now my PS3 collects dust, but at least it's not broken. You hear stories about widespread issues with malfunctions on the 360, but M'soft says "no biggie", and the media says "okay, we understand".

I love all three of the systems, but sometimes it does seem that PS3 has a target on it, more than the 360 and Wii at least.
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Posted by Mapes - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:10 AM

Yay! Nothing like a fan boy war.
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Posted by deleted_2A60520C-F046-4DAE-A013-2E8492E598A5 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:10 AM

That's true, there's not that much press on the 360 crap-out rate. It royally pissed me off last week when mine stopped working just a little over a year after I bought it.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:11 AM

sony is no way shape or form selling the ps3 faster than its other iterations (for dumbasses this means ps1 and ps2) and sony no longer the guy on top, nintendo is and all the ps3 fanboys and 360 fanboys are noticing this fact and cant stand it for the simple fact that nintendo wasnt on top since '95 and now thats its back and better than ever sony and M'soft have their tails between their legs just goes to show graphics ain't everything
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:16 AM

but i still cant decide between getting a ps3 or 360 (keep comments about that to yourself, no flamewars today plz )
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Posted by play3rtwo - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:18 AM

Depends on what you want.... the PS3 hardware wise will be solid for longer than the 360, but game wise, the 360 has more and will have a bigger selection. Though, with both systems scrapping certain models, i'd be paranoid too.
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Posted by Letters2Kay - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:21 AM

PRESS'
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:22 AM

@letters2kay


WHAT???????????????????
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:23 AM

Looks like shawnw92 was born in 1992 because he lacks the mental capacity to understand statistics. The PS3 sold more units at a quicker rate upon its release. Granted, it isn't selling nearly at the rate Sony would prefer, but just because your a fanboy, you don't have to make shit up.

And by the way, it doesn't matter who's "on top" what matters is, you the consumer and gamer is happy with whatever choice(s) you make.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:29 AM

what does my age have to do with it and im in honors in high school so i think ive got tremendous mental capacity and im not a fanboy cause im thinking about getting a ps3/360 if i was a fanboy i wouldnt get any other system
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:31 AM

I'm sure you do have great mental capacity, however it obviously wasn't apparent in your first posting. I'm not calling you an idiot, I was merely calling you out on your bullshittery.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:32 AM

and we know its not selling what sony wanted because they fired..... uhhhh i mean kutiragi left yeah thats what i meant
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:34 AM

bullshitery is funny “heyuck heyuck heyuck” lol
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Posted by hetman - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:38 AM

In the long run the ps3 will probably be the console to have. But that will not be to atleast 08. But I reccomend buying all three they all have there pros and cons.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:39 AM

i'm not made of money hetman
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Posted by pixelsword - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:42 AM

Yeah, it's true, the PS3's/Blu-Ray's success is constantly swept under the rug. Did ANYONE know that Adobe Premiere CS3 will ONLY output to Blu-Ray and DVD, but NOT HD-DVD? Wonder Why? Possibly because the 360 had a HD-DVD and not a Blu-Ray attachment? If the 360 had a Blu-Ray attachment announced today, all of the bad news about the HD-DVD will likely spill out tomorrow.

Nintendo won't be "on top" until it can put out a system comparable to this gen's graphics. They are just rivaling the PS2, and not the others. Heck, the PS2 outsold the Wii last christmas, yet again, you don't hear of that.
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Posted by rumorofhope - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:44 AM

Do they teach high school students these days how to use comma's and periods to break up run-on sentences? I might be wrong, I am quite old.
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Posted by Chadwick - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:45 AM

get a job then....

save yer pennies...

buy all three...

stfu...
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:46 AM

graphics arent everything just look at the sales (and dont give me that “oh its just cause wii has a broader audience” bullshit )
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:47 AM

micky D's dont pay that much chadwick
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Posted by TehKillWafflez - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:47 AM

^Exactly, therefore, we have the console wars. The whole "which one console should I buy" aspect really makes us critical of the game systems. All of the consoles are good, but it just depends on how much money you have, which gaming company you like more, and which types of games you like, as to which console(s) you're going to buy.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:50 AM

@rumorofhope

this is the internet not the spelling and grammar bee
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Posted by TheRedStar - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:51 AM

The Press is most definately favoring 360...The Wii's success is proof!! Proof that the media and the developers are unfairly sideing w/MS. The Wii is doing hella good heck it's on top now, yet where is the news cast highlighting it!?! I've heard more about iddiot people througing and breaking the controler than I've heard about it's success. You don't hear the press endorsing it as a fun interactive console...all you hear is them say it's kiddy(I guess they haven't played Maden on it.) They don't talk about the CrapBox's failure rate and the even greater failure rate that the refirbuished consoles have. They Dam shure don't talk about the PS3's superior hard ware!(unless your listening to a show that specializes in electronics.)
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:52 AM

Shawnw92, you may deny your a fanboy (which is arguable) but its obvious your a troll. No one cares what you have to say. Some of us engage in the topic at hand.

I think CEO Ted Price hits it right on the money. It is American tradition to root for the underdog and Nintendo was definitely seen as the David to Sony's Goliath. Yet the tables have turned, Nintendo is capturing a different audience and doing better than anyone expected. Sony isn't down for the count, but we will have to see if they can recover the slower than expected sales in the past few months.
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Posted by kieran601 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:52 AM

the wii's novelty will wear off within the next year or so. yea graphics may not be everything but you cant deny that good graphics bring you into the game more. not to mention that the ps3 and 360 just are more powerful and can handle more characters on screen, better ai, etc. the only company that can make good games for the wii is nintendo and those are few and far between.
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Posted by antiburgerjob23 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:53 AM

Ha! You have to admit, Sony's had enough succes and diserves atleast 1 drawback. Nintendo had one with the virtual boy, Microsoft had one with the orignal X-Box (ok in Asia, but still). So you know it was eventual.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:53 AM

the new wrist band fixed the breaking of new hd tv's and windows theredstar
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:56 AM

IM NOT A FANBOY ASK ANY ONE ON THE FORUMS WHO KNOWS ME LIKE

DMACK73
THEKIE
THEREDSTAR
TSUKASAH
BOOKSHELF

AND MANY MORE
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:56 AM

Shawnw92, you may deny your a fanboy (which is arguable) but its obvious your a troll. No one cares what you have to say. Some of us engage in the topic at hand.

I think CEO Ted Price hits it right on the money. It is American tradition to root for the underdog and Nintendo was definitely seen as the David to Sony's Goliath. Yet the tables have turned, Nintendo is capturing a different audience and doing better than anyone expected. Sony isn't down for the count, but we will have to see if they can recover the slower than expected sales in the past few months.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:57 AM

whats up guys?
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 9:58 AM

people are call'in me a fanboy thats whats up bookshelf
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:01 AM

hey everyone, lets go to the article

Analysts Look at PS3's Long Term Plan
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:01 AM

Shawnw92, you may deny your a fanboy (which is arguable) but its obvious your a troll. No one cares what you have to say. Some of us engage in the topic at hand.

I think CEO Ted Price hits it right on the money. It is American tradition to root for the underdog and Nintendo was definitely seen as the David to Sony's Goliath. Yet the tables have turned, Nintendo is capturing a different audience and doing better than anyone expected. Sony isn't down for the count, but we will have to see if they can recover the slower than expected sales in the past few months.
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Posted by SuperXer0 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:02 AM

sup bookshelf
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Posted by SuperXer0 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:03 AM

is ninja gaiden for the ps3 worth buying? i really dont want to play a game that I've played before (with minor upgrades) and pay $60 for it.
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:06 AM

Shawnw92, you may deny your a fanboy (which is arguable) but its obvious your a troll. No one cares what you have to say. Some of us engage in the topic at hand.

I think CEO Ted Price hits it right on the money. It is American tradition to root for the underdog and Nintendo was definitely seen as the David to Sony's Goliath. Yet the tables have turned, Nintendo is capturing a different audience and doing better than anyone expected. Sony isn't down for the count, but we will have to see if they can recover the slower than expected sales in the past few months.
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Posted by The_Apathy - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:06 AM

Here is the link to a video of Bill gates saying he's "afraid of the ps3's future success"
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Posted by pixelsword - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:07 AM

I do agree with hetman, though; buy all three, if you can afford them. They all have their plusses and minuses. If you can't afford all three, I'd recommend the Wii and PS3, seeing that the 360 probably (but not guaranteed) to three-light on you. If you can't afford much, get a Wii. If you can afford one, I'd recommend a PS3. I do like Gears and the fact that the 360 has many games now, but the PS3 will have a lot of games coming, too, so that isn't a factor: what should be a factor is wether you want to deal with possibily returning your 360 in a year or so or not...
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Posted by The_Apathy - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =eBGIQ7ZuuiU
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:10 AM

what is all this three light/ring of death thing
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Posted by TheRedStar - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:11 AM

G4's reporting also show the Media's favoritism...Look at their articles comparing the PS3 to the Wii in J@pan sales. I THINK IT'S KINDA FUNNY THEY MENTION THE PS3 LOOSEING 6:1 IN THE TITLE...WHY DON'T THEY MENTION THAT THE 360 IS DOING 2-3 TIMES WORSE IN J@PAN IN A TITLE!?! They could of used the title "Wii beets compition 5 to 1 Margin" beacuse if you add up the 360 and PS3 sales it would come close to that!!!!
The only thing wrong w/ the PS3 is the fact that they don't have much games...which will change in time...hopefully they learn from this experience and get a strong 1st party.

@Shawnw92...I know the wriststrap fixed it but when it came out...that's all the bs i heard
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:12 AM

its just a reminder for 360's that they made a bad choice
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:12 AM

@wiggintheiii

whats up with the tripost
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Posted by MxxPwr - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:14 AM

From Price:
"And it's easy to overlook that it's been, I think, the fastest selling PlayStation console."

Which means, what, that up to this point (6 months) it's sold as many units as the PS2? Well, yeah, but up to this point the PS3 has sold as many units as the Original XBox and the GC. (source: vgchartz.com) And what happened to them?

What really matters is that the PS2 had a slow Christmas (supply), but then sales got better each month. (source: NPD) The PS3 had a huge Christmas (despite the shortage hype), but has declined each month since. (NPD)

That's a bad sign no matter how you spin it.
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:17 AM

SuperXer0, keep your eyes peeled for reviews either from G4, 1up or elsewhere. Or, check it out for yourself, if you have a PS3 and an internet connection you can download a demo.
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Posted by SuperXer0 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:19 AM

what does it matter to any of you if any of these consoles succeed or fail? Why do you kids care?
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:21 AM

"whats up with the tri-post"

Good question, I wish I knew why my post at 9:56 was posted again at 10:01 and 10:06. Perhaps I hit the back button and the internet God decided to make me look like a fool ;P
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Posted by deleted_B4573408-F11B-4B27-A64D-7AAE35DDB8CB - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:22 AM

Hi everyobody!

You all know what am I going to say.

So....



....SUCK IT!
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:25 AM

dammit damnage stfu and leave this forum alone
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Posted by johnstone301 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:26 AM

I have had the PS3 for 4 months and not a single problem. Sure there aren't alot of games yet, but the ones they are making i'm sure will be new and exciting, not the same old rehashed Mario games. I can see why they would take their time making the games , to take advantage of the systems full potential.I also don't under stand how everyone overlooks the 360's hardware problems it had when it was first released and to this day.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:26 AM

i dont care what you say about last gen consoles not succeding, that because they all used DVD FORMAT. so it didnt really matter who the developers picked cause they all had the same format.

its different this generation, the 360 has dvd9 and the ps3 has blu-ray. developers love space and just may move everything to the ps3 due to its space.... as soon as they learn how to program for it.
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:27 AM

did you hear me? ITS DIFFERENT, we've never had this happen before... well except for the playstation and the N64. n64 had great graphics and all but playstation had the space so they went with that
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:28 AM

when it comes down to it... its all about the space and who has that? ps3
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Posted by deleted_B4573408-F11B-4B27-A64D-7AAE35DDB8CB - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:31 AM

"WAAAAAAA!!!!WAAAAAAAAAAAH
Leave Sony and PS3 alone! the little kid can't fight his own fights. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
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Posted by Bookshelf - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:33 AM

nig
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:35 AM

@bookshelf

nig????
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Posted by MxxPwr - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:54 AM

From johnstone301:
"I also don't under stand how everyone overlooks the 360's hardware problems it had when it was first released and to this day."

Eh, people also overlooked the PS2s initial hardware problems. How many didn't have to buy a second PS2 at the end of year 1 or 2.

But, as consumers, I think we're conditioned for it anymore. Heck look at the crappy PC software that has to be patched 4 times before it's usable: people seem to be buying that stuff up.
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Posted by wiggintheiii - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:55 AM

"whats up with the tri-post"

Good question, I wish I knew why my post at 9:56 was posted again at 10:01 and 10:06. Perhaps I hit the back button and the internet God decided to make me look like a fool ;P
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Posted by StrongestSaiyan - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:00 AM

I definitely think a lot of it is bad press, but a certain amount is Sony's fault too. I do find it interesting that the media doesn't hammer on how many 360's have crapped out. A friend of mine bought one early on, and then it did the good ol' red ring and died on him.
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Posted by hawk_hotlips - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:02 AM

Why the hell did M'soft put the ring on there and instead just make sure it doesn't crap down on you?
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Posted by DozertheDozarian - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:05 AM

Well, well, well...
Shawn92...
I can accept that you're not a fanboy. Done. However, let me try to clear up something for you. At least from my perspective, when a post uses profanity (exam. "for dumbasses this means ps1 and ps2") and uneducated words (exam. "graphics ain't everything"), people tend to think less of the poster. You comment that you are an honor student and that you have considerable mental capacity; congratulations. Your post, however, does not bear that out. Point is, when you talk with a potty mouth, your message often gets dismissed before your point is made.
Now on to the actual topic at hand: Sony: “PS3 Is Press's 'Whipping Boy'” I tend to agree that the press concerning the PS3 has overwhelmingly been negative. And for the most part, I think the COMPANY deserves this. I’m not sure that the HARDWARE does, though. The PS3 is a terrific piece of technology both as a games platform and a home entertainment platform. For the record, I love all three systems.
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Posted by Spike47 - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:09 AM

everybody wants the top man, the king, if u will to go on exile or to O^&(* up.

sony just needs to say,"the king is back" next gen and the media and press will support sony.
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Posted by deleted_14E9D7A6-678A-4F7C-AB7E-2C4E48CDB9C8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:16 AM

@dozerthedozarian

what are you my mother what do you care about my language it makes no differince to you like i said before this is the internet not the school spelling and grammer bee “and aint is in the dictionary btw”

f.uck,bitch,ass,dick,p.ussy, c.unt,whore,and meecrab
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Posted by kieran601 - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:24 AM

the ring of death is hugely exagerated by sony and nintendo fan boys. never have i or any of my friends had a problem with our 360s and weve had them since launch. i also used to work at gamestop and i never had a customer come in complaining about it, it was always the ps3s that had the malfunctions and the ps2s that didnt read discs.
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Posted by rumorofhope - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:39 AM

shawnw92. born in 92?
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Posted by Spike47 - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:40 AM

really, then ur 3 in a thousand, cvause if u look at xbot forums they're filled with grief over their crappy consoles.
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Posted by Tmidiman - Monday, July 2, 2007 11:49 AM

Maybe if Sony didn't blow it's horn so loudly during and after E3 the press would be kinder to them. They showed some pretty cool footage during E3 '05 and the press sucked it up. Come E3 '06 the press started to realise that it was all hot air and not real game play, but sony instead of being quiet got even louder and more obnoxious.

The are getting what they deserve.
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Posted by TheRedStar - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:02 PM

@MxxPwr I have one of the 1st PS2s and it still works perfectly...Even w/dust on it...I'm going to give it away to a friend...It worked w/Everygame I ever got & even worked w/the HDD i bought for it.

@Shawn & @dozerthedozarian: you both are right to a degree. Shawn is right this is the Internet and a Forum not an official document or a review. Doz is right cusing is dulling and rather boring beacuse this is the internet (who's gona make you blead??)

@hawk_hotlips MS either didn't know or didn't care that they made Simple Manufacturig mistakes. The Red Ring of Death is a signal that the system has run so hot that the saudering on the circuit has become affected. In Electronics this is NOT something easily over looked. This is uaualy happens to Generic Electronic Equipment that is cheaply made.
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Posted by DozertheDozarian - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:02 PM

Shawn92, I realize that "ain't" is in the dictionary. However, if you read said tome of knowledge, you would see that it refers to the word as uneducated.

However, my post, at least regarding you, was meant to imply that while you were trying to defend yourself against wiggintheiii perhaps the reason he decided to attack you in the first place was the way in which you chose to phrase your response. The idea was that your language or grammar, in the written context, belied your actual intelligence.

However, you may well have proven me wrong with your outburst at the end of your most recent post. I gave you credit for your scholastic achievements. Perhaps that was unwarranted. Sometimes it makes you wonder what the point in teaching young people really is when they choose not to employ what they have labored so long to perfect.
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Posted by tooltrek - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:26 PM

I find it funny that all the Sony fanboys are talking about how powerful the PS3 is. Power isn't everything, developers and ease of making a game are.
Xbox vs. PS2
Gamecube vs. PS2
N64 vs. PS1
Genesis vs. Super NES
In each one, the first one had more "power", yet lost in the end.
Oh, yeah, they all still sold a lot. Just because the system you buy doesn't win a console war doesn't mean anything. As long as you have fun with whatever system you buy.
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Posted by tooltrek - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:33 PM

I find it funny that all the Sony fanboys are talking about how powerful the PS3 is. Power isn't everything, developers and ease of making a game are.
Xbox vs. PS2
Gamecube vs. PS2
N64 vs. PS1
Genesis vs. Super NES
In each one, the first one had more "power", yet lost in the end.
Oh, yeah, they all still sold a lot. Just because the system you buy doesn't win a console war doesn't mean anything. As long as you have fun with whatever system you buy.
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Posted by spitfirec4 - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:49 PM

his corruption had successfully changed his fate, crying ot to the sky cuz he was lonely and scared but only the devil responded cuz god wasnt there, he felt empty and cold and jumped off the roof and died with no soul. the devil grows inside the hearts of the selfish and wicked, color is not restricted, you have a self destructive destiny when your infected, there is no diversity cuz were all burning in the melting pot
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Posted by spitfirec4 - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:50 PM

also tooltrek, u dumbass, the ps1 was more powerful and it did win over the n64
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Posted by spitfirec4 - Monday, July 2, 2007 12:51 PM

also tooltrek, u dumbass, the ps1 was more powerful and it did win over the n64
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Posted by tooltrek - Monday, July 2, 2007 1:01 PM

Not true, spitfirec4. The PS1 had a 32 bit processer. The N64 had a hyper 32 bit processer that ran like a 64 bit processer, hence the name N64. The cartridge format couldn't hold FMV's like the disc format, that's the only thing. But, yes, the PS1 did win.
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Posted by The_Juno - Monday, July 2, 2007 1:20 PM

whut..?
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Posted by sostra - Monday, July 2, 2007 1:24 PM

Hey can't we all just get along. I love my 360 and I cant wait to get my PS3. I have always loved playstation and I know that it will do good this time around once it gets some good games. So I say horay for 360 and PS3!!! They are both great syestems, and in this console war I belive it's us the consumer who wins.
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Posted by DozertheDozarian - Monday, July 2, 2007 1:26 PM

TheRedStar:
I had the same experience with my PS1 & PS2. They were marvels of technology. That is exactly why people clamored around the PS3. The history of Sony's game machines was one of near (I stress near) unblemished, from a hardware standpoint.

You are, of course, right in your observation of the discussion between myself and Shawn. I simply meant that by presenting it in the way that he had, he left himself open to criticism. As I did myself when I chose to post about someone else's posting.

As for the XBox issue, well, I can't believe that MS didn't know about issues with the solder and heat. All solders have a melting point based on alloy mixture used to create it. It's also easy to do testing the find the amount of heat generated in the case of a piece of hardware. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to compare the numbers… Or to extrapolate the approximate temperature that must be maintained to guarantee proper performance.
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Posted by DozertheDozarian - Monday, July 2, 2007 1:35 PM

tooltrek:
I thought you were on the money with your comments about power not being everything. While I agree that power is absolutely not everything, I think you would agree that games are.

This is where Sony really needs to step up. I think Sony's is the most powerful, Microsoft's has the best games (predominantly) and Nintendo's is the most innovative. I like all 3.

I really hope Sony recovers some of it's swagger with the PS3. Because the hardware has the greatest potential of the two Hardcore systems. The Wii, although I find it hard to say, has the greatest potential of all three systems. However, with Nintendo at the helm, I'm not sure some of the more hard core stuff will get addressed and that is why I would put it's potential slightly behind the PS3's.

But regardless of hardware power, all three are great systems and should be played for that; not for which one is the "best". The best is always such a subjective term anyway.
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Posted by Zevious - Monday, July 2, 2007 1:40 PM

Sony created their own problem with their arragance and hype. I agree with the poster who stated that the venom directed at the PS3 should more rightly be directed at Sony management. Overhyped, underdelivered and a lack of games is what we got from Sony. They need to eat their humble pie and buckle down to making and shipping must have games ASAP.
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Posted by TheRedStar - Monday, July 2, 2007 2:13 PM

@sostra Ordinarily the consumer would be the winner but not this time around the existance of the 360 is hurting the consumer. The games for this gen has to be made w/360's inferior hardware in mind. This hurts PS3 owners beacuse crossplatform games aren't going to be as good as they could be, they would be "gimped" Every game on the 360 could be made to a PS3 game and then imporved upon beacuse of the Diskspace alone.
@Zevious yes Sony's arrogant, but if you were looking at the BIG picture of PS3 then you would think your on the top of the globe too...I don't think Sony didn't EXACTLY underdeliver in terms of HYPE...They just FOOLISHLY relyed on the 3rd party to deliver it.(and the 3rd party said I'm not your B*tch...I'm not learning an unproven media format) PS3 can do what they say it's just ABSOLUETLY NO ONE HAS EVEN COME CLOSE TO TAPing IT'S POWER! Resistance was the closest and it only used about 20-30%
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Posted by sostra - Monday, July 2, 2007 2:21 PM

@TheRedStar I agree with you, and I truly hope that FF13 taps into the full power of the PS3!
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Posted by tooltrek - Monday, July 2, 2007 2:24 PM

@RedStar
Every console generation has an "inferior system". It doesn't hurt anybody. Developers just need to work around it. Look at Resident Evil 4. It looked and played better on the Gamecube. Does that mean the PS2 owners didn't get a good version? I don't think so. That version was also good.
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Posted by TheRedStar - Monday, July 2, 2007 3:04 PM

@tooltrek if it looked better and played better on the game cube then i got jiped...your right it doesn't mean it's not a good game, but it does mean that the PS2 players like my self didn't get the best experience possible, and for Me it's all about Maximisation!! Yet the GameCube came out fairly late after the PS2 so it could be said that by that time the ps2 was already becomeing obsolete.(lets not forget just about all technology has a max life of 1yr untill something else is made to superscee it.
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Posted by Spike47 - Monday, July 2, 2007 3:32 PM

SJhonson i hate you son of a b.

why did'nt u post those ps3 bundles and good news,



NO U FRICKEN BASTARD U WAITED UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT AND GROUPED ALL OF SONY'S BAD NEWS TOGETHER.

DO U REALLY THINK THAT WILL HELP PS3 SALES DECREASE.
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Posted by Spike47 - Monday, July 2, 2007 3:42 PM

EVERYBODY HATES THE GUY THAT WAS ON TOP AND PRAISES THE UNDERDOG.
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Posted by Naruto_Style - Monday, July 2, 2007 3:45 PM

ok im not even going t attempt to comment on the other ps3 stories, but it seems that the ps3 is the main story on thefeed today. im not even really sure what to say because everything has been said. ummmm *thinking*

OH ya DAMNAGE!!! below is a link from friday of you getting pwned by almost every single person in the forum. please enjoy it again wont you?

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/ blog/post/676949/PS3_Sells_Wel l_Down_Under.html#comments
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Posted by S14DGENER8 - Monday, July 2, 2007 4:26 PM

I think it's the first one. they just wanna give sony bad rep since they know xbox is what's famous right now.
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Posted by JUX77 - Monday, July 2, 2007 6:32 PM

no they wanna give PS3 a bad rep,, BECOUSE IT SUCKS EVERYBODY.
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Posted by TheKei - Monday, July 2, 2007 6:45 PM

BECOUSE YOU SUCKS EVERYBODY.
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Posted by Naruto_Style - Monday, July 2, 2007 8:37 PM

sigh... its been a long day. in between work and fighting flamers, it can get pretty tiring for me.
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Posted by Jroper - Monday, July 2, 2007 10:22 PM

well at SPIKE!! first off sony has to prove the PS3 is king....and quit tryin to use tht dumb excuse about everyone hates th man on top...thts total bullchit...
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Posted by Spike47 - Tuesday, July 3, 2007 7:01 AM

tell me a company that has had the title of king or the top company at making consoles for two gens in a row.

there's only one answer.


SONY.


lets see if you're precious ninetndo can win this gen and the next,lets see if ms for the first time can win a console war.
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Posted by theking1234 - Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:43 AM

the 360 had to really wait a year to get its great games like gears of war same with the ps3 . The 360 launch titles weren't that great the only game I played constantly was call of duty 2 and that was the only good launch title they didn't have anything like until a year later. If you consider kameo good your gay . The ps3 will have bettter games if you wait a year like you waited a year for the 360.
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Posted by MASterBLAder - Tuesday, July 3, 2007 2:11 PM

The PS3 just seems to be getting bashed every time we hear about it... and as far as I see, the PS3 is continuing to be a let down everytime we hear more of it... If Sony wants to contend against Nintendo and Microsoft, they will need to turn around how they are marketing the PS3, be a bit more smart with what they do than bashing others, stop making promises and above all, drop price of the PS3... everyone knew that the price was outragious, but Sony only saw the $$ instead of listening to the fans...
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:53 PM

sony made a gaming console that supports a format that is just taking off. how much did a dvd player cost way back when? simply put, b4 the ps2, when dvds were-to-be the next disc format, how much did a dvd player cost? alot of money at the time!.. sony did us a favor by putting the bluray drive in it and steepening the cost. u get what you pay for.. trying to see how much money i wouldve spent on a 360 6/7 months after its release, and then years later when ms is replacing it with a more powerful system, how much would u have invested in xbox? byt that time u wouldve had ur ps3, and ur blu-ray player already purchased years ago. (i leave the wii out of this because its cheap. fun as hell. but still cheap.)
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Posted by GrandReaper999 - Tuesday, July 3, 2007 9:57 PM

blowing 200+ dollars on a external hd dvd drive for my 360 sounds hardly reasonable..anyone aware of that wireless adapter m$ has for the360? yeha costs a bit of dough to say the least. u get one built into ur ps3.. compare what u get with the two most expensive next gen consoles in terms of hardware and compare the costs. the ps3 is not a bad deal. sure it costs alot, but it isnt overpriced. not even..
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Posted by scottyrob82 - Wednesday, July 4, 2007 12:36 AM

The reason why Sony is the whipping boy now is because it made everybody feel like they were their mindless puppets that are too dumb to know better. I mean come on, $600 for the system of the future and I get trashy games like Gundam and Untold Legend, the second remake of a last-gen console(Ninja Gaiden), and the longest waiting period to see if more than 2 or 3 good games are gonna come out before 2008? Give me a break! Why do you think Sony hasn't offed the PS2? Sony screwed up big like Sega Saturn, maybe even Sega CD 32X big. Get some godd games lower the price then we'll talk.
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Posted by TheKei - Wednesday, July 4, 2007 7:32 PM

Sony hasn't offed the PS2 because over 100 million people own them. It would be dumb of them to forget about those consumers like Microsoft did with the Xbox owners.
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Posted by XXXXX73PS3 - Saturday, July 7, 2007 3:25 PM

people are just trying to poke fun of the, once king of consoles.
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