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'LOTR Online' Drops Marriage

Posted by Stephen Johnson - Tuesday, May 01, 2007 5:09 PM

Lord of The Rings Online has decided not to allow players to get married. It's not because marrying someone in a videogame is way too dorky to even consider, either: The prohibition is for a more complicated, compelling reason.

Basically, Turbine, the company behind the game, wasn't able to reconcile the idea of gay marriage with Tolkien's fiction.

 "The rule that we tried to follow across the board was: if there's an example of it in the book, the door is open to explore it," Turbine designer Nik Davidson told Salon. "Very rarely will you see an elf and a human hook up, but it does happen; the door is open. Dwarves don't intermarry with hobbits; that door is shut... Did two male hobbits ever hook up in the shire and have little hobbit civil unions? No. The door is shut."

Nevermind that that keeping anything close to authentic-Tolkien in a videogame is all but impossible--how Tolkien-y will you feel when SithLord443 calls you a "noob"?--more importantly, is the ideal of tolerance a more important thing in a game than realism?

It's the kind of debate that will keep coming up more and more in the future.

Turbine says they may revisit the issue at a later time.

Salon.com: Why can't gay dwarves get married in Middle-earth?




Comment(s)

Posted by TheKei - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 5:36 PM

If only the rest of the world would learn from LOTR Online's example of marriage.

Posted by strife515 - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 6:08 PM

Can't two hobbits and a dwarf get together and not be gay?

Posted by TheDoctorWc3 - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 6:09 PM

only if the dwarf turned out to be a really hairy woman

Posted by badspeller05 - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 6:13 PM

What are they talking about Hobbits are gay! you seen the movie!

Posted by Wikipedia - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 6:52 PM

For strife515:
Two hobbits and a dwarf getting together in a raucous amount of hard, impassioned gay three-way sex in the Shire, would be homosexual, and will be deemed as such, except for these 3 reasons:
1. The dwarf is on a gay drunken rampage.
2. Gandalf is watching.
3. Or if they're friends; because it's not gay if you're friends...

Posted by Spiderish - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 6:58 PM

For matters of the heart like that, its best that the owners of the hearts decide what to do with them, IRL IC OOC, where ever whenever, but Turdbine has been saying they were going to be Tolkienfied to the core, so it could be that, don't really care

Posted by eraseme - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 7:38 PM

the decision is a sign of respect for tolkien: if i die a famous person, and 50 years later people use my name to promote something, anything, or everything i stood against in life, then obviously my life wasnt worth much now was it?

Posted by kdawgkt - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 10:11 PM

The fact that they were even going to allow you to marry people in the game seems a little rediculous to me, and what would marrying players add to the game anyway? Just another reason for people to never get off their computer and neglect real life.

Posted by Ugotmefuctup - Tuesday, May 1, 2007 10:19 PM

Yes! Yes! To kdawgkt you listen! The cave- Remember your failure in the cave...

-Oops, wait, wrong fictional story..

Posted by ostlermk - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:28 AM

And I'm sure Henry Ford would hate to see black people driving his cars. Tolerance is, and will always be more important than any story, or any man.

Posted by simonnewtboy - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:15 AM

Plus, I don't know if Tolkien would be necessarily against gayness. We are a different culture now, and even if he was against it then things change. At least if you are a great thinker, which Tolkien was.

Posted by burkspatrick - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 4:46 AM

so now tolkein has to be PC. another sign of the end or the world!!!! sorry just ranting

Posted by pitabun - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:16 AM

thats a really funny read

Posted by hetman - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:17 AM

First off just because person A is a female in the game doesnt mean person A is femal in real life. So as far as MMORPG's are concerned there is no real way to tell who is gay or not. Unless they play as a hobbit and then we can be like 99% sure they are gay IRL.

Posted by altizar - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:28 AM

Tolerance is over-rated croc of S***. It's what the weak try to use to get ahead in life. And it will only work, if those who aren't weak allow it to work.

Now back to the Henry Ford comment, I'm sure that Mr. Ford wasn't trying to find a way for white people to get around faster. He was trying to invents something, it's just a bunch of liberal whining assholes that go around and try to attach race to something just to try to prove thier weak morally corrupt ideas.

Posted by sjohnson - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 7:52 AM

For the record: Henry Ford was an active and rabid anti-semite, but didn't seem to mind Jews driving his cars.

Posted by hetman - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 8:19 AM

Hitler was also an anti semite. And like ford he helped start the volkswagon company so that every german could own a car. But I still see jewish people these days driving volkswagons.

Posted by antisessler - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 8:54 AM

Money changes everything.

And I coulda swore Sam and Frodo hooked up...

Posted by namliler - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:00 AM

If they don't want to add gay marriage because it is not in the Tolkien world then don't add it. But then they better be sure that everything else is true down to the smallest detail. Were there black characters in the Tolkien world?

Posted by CountryDoctor - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:27 AM

Score one for the conservatives in the shire wOOt!

Get ready for the gladd & alcu (no caps = no respect) lawsuits.

Posted by Slaytanic40oz - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 9:44 AM

hahaha I can't believe you're seriously debating racism, sexism, and automakers over a game about middle earth. this is classic

Posted by Ugotmefuctup - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 10:21 AM

WOW- (and I'm not talking about "World of Warcraft, either), this topic has really turned into a "this-is-how-I-really-feel"-fe st.

I'm the biggest respector of a person's honest position(s), but I didn't realise that there were sooo many bigots and believers in inequality on this site. So now, the NAACP and ACLU are just "smokescreen" organizations??? WTF???

But yeah, homosexuality is probably best left out of the game (it's not necessary anyway).

Posted by namliler - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 11:13 AM

This gay marriage will just be one more thing that WoW (and I am talking about World of Warcraft) could do and this is why these other games won't ever be as huge as WoW. WoW will bend their stories to fit game play (see Horde pallies and Alliance shamans) and appeal to as many people as possible.

Conan and LOTR are based on someone else's works and the makers of those games are spending so much time being "true" to the books that they will alienate different groups of gamers and end up only appealing to the people who are interested in the books.

Posted by altizar - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 12:22 PM

Gay marriage makes sense with WoW. Mainly from the fact that if you enjoy playing it, you have to be Ghey!!

Posted by Mmjr3 - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 1:45 PM

altizar i agree. if you are the type of person living in these fantasy worlds you are already a sad waste of existence. does it really matter if 2 whatever the hell character all of these lame role playing games (which from never playing one and never having the slighest desire to play one)get hitched. do theses lame things even have different sexes. this is for anyone who plays these games or even care if a male whatever wants to be inside another male whatever...TURN OFF TOUR DAMN PC AND GO OUT AND EXPERIENCE REAL LIFE!!!
you are all mindless warped people.

Posted by antiburgerjob23 - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 4:06 PM

I have a few things to say about this... For 1, WTF??? I dont want to be seen as anti-gay or something but reallllly. You know the world is reaching a sad place when people want to gay marry in videogames. Come on. They dont even offically let people do it it real life, so what makes you think that it would be moraly right to do it in a videogame? Either you want to show off your gay pride to countless of gamers online or your just flat out weird. And thats whats up...

Posted by freeway8989 - Wednesday, May 2, 2007 8:09 PM

altizar = childish conservative who barely understands anything going on in the world.

Exactly what you'd expect from a Sony fanboy.


Delusion at its best.

Posted by Kingboo17 - Thursday, May 3, 2007 8:17 AM

Uhhh, I just started world of warcraft, and after playing it for a few hours I look out to the field next to my house and say, "Hey, I'm gonna go outside for an hour to mess around. The only way to be addicted to world of warcraft, is if you live in a city with a lack of water to swim in and fields to tear up on a four wheeler. Not all people who play Wow are losers, heck, I bet more lotr fans has no lifes outside of that story then wow people do. So shut up and stop acting like you're better then us. And gay stuff on lotr would be just crappy (No pun intended) I mean... its pretty much a pure world except for all the wars and stuff, now a day people can be gay because there is not enough war, who has the hours to struggle with your gay self with you have you fight off orc raiders?

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