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The Loop: Anonymous V. Scientology

EMorton
Posted February 4, 2008 - By Eugene Morton

There’s a war on, not over land or resources, but over the practices of the Church of Scientology. A group of activists called Anonymous have taken it upon themselves to crush the Church of Scientology, threatening to put an end to the Church’s “campaigns of misinformation, your suppression of dissent and your litigious nature.”

It all started with the leak of internal Church material (the now famous videos featuring actor, Tom Cruise) and denial of service attacks on several Scientology websites, followed by an eerie video from the group on YouTube declaring “Anonymous has therefore decided that your organization should be destroyed."

The group has already shown the world that it means business, but has Anonymous gone too far?

Today’s guests will include Mark Ebner, Author of Hollywood Interrupted and Nick Douglas, Editor of Valley Wag.

 

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  • Anonymous_4764

    To join the anon. Http://Harbl.wetfish.net/cospl ay/

    Posted: February 14, 2008 1:56 PM
    Anonymous_4764
  • ANONeMEECE

    anonymous1919-

    You are not an Anon. You are probably some $ciFag trying to sabotage Anonymous.

    1. A true anon would not say this.

    2.You used cap locks, anon's hate cap locks.

    Quit trolling.

    Anonymous is doing a good thing. Eduacate yourself before you think of chosing a side.

    Posted: February 12, 2008 4:02 PM
    ANONeMEECE
  • anonymous1919

    BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT US.
    YOU COULD BE THE NEXT TARGET FOR PORTRAYING US...AS "HACKERS ON STEROIDS" WE ARE NOT HERE TO CAUSE HARM TO PEOPLE, WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT PEOPLES RITE TO FREEDOM OF SPEACH, FREADOM OF CHOICE. THIS IS NOT A THREAT, JUST A WARNING.

    Posted: February 11, 2008 4:23 PM
    anonymous1919
  • ScientologyKills

    they arent hackers

    there a group of people, just people, who are outraged against scientology

    thats all

    they dont hack everyone they can

    they just want scientology down

    look up the whole story on both sides before you blame anybody of anything

    SCIENTOLOGY KILLS

    www.youfoundthecard.com
    www.whyaretheydead.net

    Posted: February 9, 2008 12:48 PM
    ScientologyKills
  • stolencolon

    Why does anyone care at all. Annonymous is just doing what every other right field group does to every other religion in this world. They are tryin to stop scientology just like the islamics are trying to stop the jews and the christians trying to stop the catholics and so on. Don't get me wrong I do not support scientology at all, but seriously who cares. There are things going on in this world that are more important than a small groups squabbles with a religion that thinks they have jedi powers.

    Posted: February 7, 2008 5:13 PM
    stolencolon
  • ninjadude777

    isnt Scientology a religion and there are people who practice it without the killing spying and stealing and its just the church and there leaders that are bad

    Posted: February 6, 2008 3:38 PM
    ninjadude777
  • MikeyM

    How is this any different from g4 supporting the KKK or some Neo-Natzi group and interviewing them on their issues with jews?

    Posted: February 6, 2008 1:24 PM
    MikeyM
  • KratosFan

    @all members of Anonymous-
    You're doing the right thing. The Church of Scientology must be destroyed wherever it can be found. Using famous celebrities to bring in members and charging them money to call themselves Scientologists. Infiltrating the government and spying on members, it just isn't right.

    DESTROY THEM! The time of Scientology has come to an end! The masses have stomached their betrayal for the last time! They have brought this on themselves!

    Posted: February 6, 2008 6:40 AM
    KratosFan
  • TheKarmaPolice001

    Druidblue-
    I do believe you were asked to come back when you were educated. You came back, but you are still not educated on the subject. Looks like TR2 really left you so brainwashed you ignore all the facts you are presented.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 9:51 PM
    TheKarmaPolice001
  • nutritionfacts

    Scientology is in no way or form a religion. It is a cult that is using celebrities to bring in members. Not only have peopled died at their hands but any religion that periodically charges you to get better is disgusting. Not only that but their medical views are very dangerous. To deny people medicine because it's not the "answer". They're a bunch of idiots that can cause a lot of damage in the end.

    I hope these protests make people see what Scientology really is: a pathetic cult.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 9:29 PM
    nutritionfacts
  • TheKarmaPolice001

    Druidblue-
    I do believe you were asked to come back when you were educated. You came back, but you are still not educated on the subject. Looks like TR2 really left you so brainwashed you ignore all the facts you are presented.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 8:41 PM
    TheKarmaPolice001
  • ninjadude777

    umm, from wiki
    "A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted"

    also if they are good why are they sercet
    what have catholics done recently thats bad
    and now it looks like your runing from this argument

    Posted: February 5, 2008 6:40 PM
    ninjadude777
  • ninjadude777

    umm, from wiki
    "A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted"

    also if they are good why are they sercet
    what have catholics done recently thats bad
    and now it looks like your runing from this argument

    Posted: February 5, 2008 6:32 PM
    ninjadude777
  • ANONYMOUSa71mu2

    Ok, first of all I would like to thank you G4 and Attack of the Show for covering our battle against scientology. I liked that you were not in any way biased to us unlike Fox news who said that we were like Nazis and KKK just because we hide our alias so we wont be killed by the scientology leaders or maybe arrested just because we are worried about where they are leading our great country. People are paying aprox. $300,000 to be a part of the group, some have been killed, and some women have been forced to have abortions because of there beliefs. Anonymous feels that this is VERY wrong and is trying to put a stop to this practice. Anonymous does not have a leader, Anonymous is not a religion or a cult, Anonymous is not "hackers", Anonymous is just a group of people who see that there is something wrong with the world and that is needs to stop.



    2-10-08



    We are Anonymous.

    We are Legion.

    We do not forgive.

    WE DO NOT FORGET.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 4:47 PM
    ANONYMOUSa71mu2
  • JaymEsch

    Dedalb, you have no clue what a "straw man" argument is, apparently- we don't use them when debating in Mensa. I very clearly countered the precise points being made without once changing the topic. What, in fact, occurred, is you did not like my valid commentary and therefore ignored what I actually said in order to satisfy your own ego and/or agenda.

    You kids are just amusing me now. Go to town with it... have fun "taking down the bad guys" while hiding behind cover. I'll be interested to see your efforts when you turn to other religious organizations just as guilty of horrific affronts- will Anonymous take on the Pope next for the Catholic church's transgressions against humanity (wire taps and invasion of the IRS pale in comparison to the crimes committed by the Catholic church over history)?

    Posted: February 5, 2008 3:25 PM
    JaymEsch
  • Greenmask

    "Let other people live their lives in peace without your own judgmental interference."

    First off, druids don't kill people. Unless they're boomkins. If they're feral, they tank, and if they're treetards, they actually RESURRECT people, so I think you're okay.

    Second, the religion of druidy..ism...ology...whatever ...Doesn't KILL its followers via negligence. It doesn't force people to pay their life savings in exchange for something remotely resembling salvation. It doesn't take away medicine from people who need it, or hide itself from the media.

    Anon will not attack other religions, because other religions aren't terrible, totalitarian, shadow-organizations that harm their members, nor are other religions based on the mad ramblings of a crappy sci-fi writer who has openly stated that the purpose of his religion was to take people's money.

    So rest easy, whatever spec you are.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 3:23 PM
    Greenmask
  • Greenmask

    "Let other people live their lives in peace without your own judgmental interference."

    First off, druids don't kill people. Unless they're boomkins. If they're feral, they tank, and if they're treetards, they actually RESURRECT people, so I think you're okay.

    Second, the religion of druidy..ism...ology...whatever ...Doesn't KILL its followers via negligence. It doesn't force people to pay their life savings in exchange for something remotely resembling salvation. It doesn't take away medicine from people who need it, or hide itself from the media.

    Anon will not attack other religions, because other religions aren't terrible, totalitarian, shadow-organizations that harm their members, nor are other religions based on the mad ramblings of a crappy sci-fi writer who has openly stated that the purpose of his religion was to take people's money.

    So rest easy, whatever spec you are.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 3:18 PM
    Greenmask
  • dedalb

    one more thing...

    Scientologist's beliefs are real to those who hold them, but what all this anon stuff is about is not the beliefs, but the organization known as the Church of Scientology. Another poster mentioned the FreeZoners. They're ex-scientologists who still practice their beliefs outside the CoS. For this, they are labeled as "squirrels" by CoS for some reason. The CoS persecutes them, and harasses them, and sues them. Where is THEIR religious tolerance eh?

    Not enough space to say everything I want, but CoS is EVIL; Scientologists not necessarily so (but their leaders sure are)

    Read what judges around the world have written in Scientology cases:

    xenu.net/archive/disk/archiv e/quotes.htm

    Posted: February 5, 2008 3:02 PM
    dedalb
  • dedalb

    one more thing...

    Scientologist's beliefs are real to those who hold them, but what all this anon stuff is about is not the beliefs, but the organization known as the Church of Scientology. Another poster mentioned the FreeZoners. They're ex-scientologists who still practice their beliefs outside the CoS. For this, they are labeled as "squirrels" by CoS for some reason. The CoS persecutes them, and harasses them, and sues them. Where is THEIR religious tolerance eh?

    Not enough space to say everything I want, but CoS is EVIL; Scientologists not necessarily so (but their leaders sure are)

    Read what judges around the world have written in Scientology cases:

    xenu.net/archive/disk/archiv e/quotes.htm

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:50 PM
    dedalb
  • dedalb

    PLEASE read what Druidblue wrote very carefully. Then go to the forums on xenu.net or the alt.religion.scientology news group, and read what Scientologists post in response to their critics.

    You'll see they write EXACTLY the same things that Druidblue writes.

    He's arguing using a "straw man argument." Instead of responding to your point, he creates a new one, and argues against that, then claims he has refuted your argument; in fact all he has done is change the subject.

    This country was founded on the principles of free speech and religious freedom. Persecuting religion is bad, mmmkay? So if someone is persecuting religion, we don't like that do we? So Druidblue is trying to make you think that's what this argument is about. But I hope no one is dumb enough to fall for that.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:48 PM
    dedalb
  • Anonymous56171

    Did you know that if you speak out against the church, Hubbard in his own written doctrine said:

    ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.

    It is none of my business that they are told they can 'destroy' me for protesting their tax exemption?

    I think it is our business.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:32 PM
    Anonymous56171
  • Anonymous56171

    Druidblue -

    The Church of Scientology in Toronto was raided by police, where they found stolen documents from law firms, the Metropolitan Toronto Police, hospitals, and more.

    It IS my business when a group decides to tap the phones, steal from, and try to infiltrate my countrymen and government.

    This isn't about how silly we might think CoS's beliefs are, it's about their CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES. Hubbard's own wife was CONVICTED for having her followers BREAK INTO THE IRS.

    This isn't an attack on Scientologists, it is an attack on the CHURCH of Scientology, an organization who receives tax exemption, yet is allowed to give recruits a commission on new members.

    So, we say again, educate yourself DruidBlue.

    I know you can identify with them because your own beliefs (Druidiry) are not mainstream. But this isn't about your beliefs, or theirs. It's about Lisa McPherson, Paulette Cooper, Operation Snowwhite, Operation Freakout.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:30 PM
    Anonymous56171
  • JaymEsch

    "Educate yourself, and then take another good look at anonymous and tell me what you see. "

    I see people judging other people's religious-based activities inappropriate and attempting to interfere where they should not.

    It is NO concern of anyone's if Scientology is a "secret" religion- there is no crime in having a secret organization. Are the things they do in the church praise-worthy, or even "good"? Hardly, but it's simply not anyone's concern other than the Scientologists themselves.

    There is a massive lack of respect of people's individual rights today. It's not like I should start attacking the Catholic church just because I deem many of their messages to be harmful to those who follow their doctrines.

    Perhaps I'd have more respect for "Anonymous" if they weren't anonymous. There's far too much bravado behind false anonymity. If you want to be taken seriously... drop the robot voices and masks when speaking your message in accordance with the law.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 12:11 PM
    JaymEsch
  • ANON_4ac56bc1

    Anonymous believes in freedom of religion, but not a religion that requires you to spend your earnings on info that should, WILL be free. Knowledge is free, Scientology is not.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 10:31 AM
    ANON_4ac56bc1
  • BS_Chim

    Anon for President

    Posted: February 5, 2008 10:03 AM
    BS_Chim
  • Spike31589

    wow anonymous actually posted on the sight is was a good debate one of the better loops in recent history and i see where anonymous is coming from no religion should be secret or else or charge ridiculous amounts of money to join, they are meant to bring us hope and a purpose, so kudos to them as long as this fight goes on i support the ones who fight for freedom and hope

    Posted: February 5, 2008 9:57 AM
    Spike31589
  • Spike31589

    wow anonymous actually posted on the sight is was a good debate one of the better loops in recent history and i see where anonymous is coming from no religion should be secret or else or charge ridiculous amounts of money to join, they are meant to bring us hope and a purpose, so kudos to them as long as this fight goes on i support the ones who fight for freedom and hope

    Posted: February 5, 2008 9:54 AM
    Spike31589
  • AnonymousTV

    I think Scientology must be stoped and that they need to be shown for what they really are.
    Anonymous is the solution, this goal is obtainable.


    GO ANONYMOUS

    Posted: February 5, 2008 9:49 AM
    AnonymousTV
  • removesstains

    Holy Crap AOTS you were like 2 weeks behind to do a story on this. Felt like i was in History class. Plus your Poll numbers you showed last night was BS. LAME

    Posted: February 5, 2008 7:55 AM
    removesstains
  • anonymous227

    You may think this goal is not attainable. To be sure, it will be hard and take much effort, time, and sacrifice. But it will be achieved. And if you question our ability to succeed, we say, what are you doing to help? Are you part of the problem, or the solution? This is the resolve of Anonymous: we will not fail. We must not fail, because reason and truth must win out over fear, intimidation, and apathy, or our civilization is doomed.

    We are Anonymous.

    We are Legion.

    We do not forgive.

    WE DO NOT FORGET.

    Expect us.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:41 AM
    anonymous227
  • anonymous227

    We are in fact working towards completion of the FOURTH step of the plan as scheduled. On February 10th, an international protest of all Scientology locations will take place world-wide. This will garner more media attention, and perhaps then you will truly understand our purpose. We expect our numbers to swell, and with these new recruits we will begin the process of reaching out to the lower-level Scientologists and helping them free themselves of this oppressive cult. Then we will embark on the most ambitious step of the plan, the revocation of the tax-exempt status of the Church of Scientology on every corner of the globe. When completed, it will no longer be recognized as a religion anywhere on the planet.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:39 AM
    anonymous227
  • anonymous227

    We did not take this action lightly; there was great debate among us. But in the end we felt we had a moral obligation to do something, since our public institutions had failed to act.

    The general media, including yourselves, have focused on the initial denial-of-service attacks to the exclusion of all else we stated in the video. Your reporting seems to indicate you think this initial battle was the entirety of the war, but you could not be more mistaken.

    Our plan, which is clearly laid out and easy to find if you had bothered to search for it, is well documented at http://www.partyvan.info/index .php/Project_Chanology#Operati ons_Sections

    You will see that the objective of the initial denial-of-service was "to gain attention, and this was achieved." To continue to debate how Anonymous will defeat the Church of Scientology by attacking their web sites completely misses the point.

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:38 AM
    anonymous227
  • anonymous227

    We noticed your "analysis" of Anonymous on "The Loop" today and we must say we are underwhelmed by your research efforts.

    For a network that claims to be "plugged in" your understanding of Anonymous is quiet barren. If "pimply faced script kids" from around the world can somehow find the information on our websites and join our cause, it is surprising to Anonymous that your "plugged in" researchers do not have the same capabilities.

    Let us clear up some things.

    First, the war we have declared on the Church of Scientology is quiet real. It will not be fought with armies and weapons, but with passion, reason, education, and the growing will of all intelligent people who have begun to wake as from a stupor and realize that we have a cancer growing in our midst.

    In the original youtube video "Message to Scientology", we stated "We acknowledge you as a serious opponent, and we are prepared for a long, long campaign."

    Posted: February 5, 2008 2:37 AM
    anonymous227
  • Korny1684

    scientology will go down

    Posted: February 4, 2008 10:38 PM
    Korny1684
  • mariomafia

    HELL YEAH ANON

    Posted: February 4, 2008 9:17 PM
    mariomafia
  • Victor_Von_Doom

    Wow, that fat guy on the left really went with the lame "pimple faced nerd" joke everyone has heard a thousand times

    Posted: February 4, 2008 8:21 PM
    Victor_Von_Doom
  • Imnothere

    Epic lulz at you Mr.Druidblue, for unless your International Druidic Order has violated basic human rights many times over, stolen money from and scammed its followers, threaten and attacked its critics, and basically epic failed at not drawing attention to these facts, then I doubt anyone is going to challenge it, or any other religion as far as Anonymous is concerned. Read some of the posts before mine, and go to some of the websites. Educate yourself, and then take another good look at anonymous and tell me what you see.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 6:39 PM
    Imnothere
  • Terryeo

    I support Anonymous. The Cult of $cientology must be exposed for the crimes they commit.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 6:00 PM
    Terryeo
  • MissAnonymous

    This is no war or raid. Anonymous isn't an "elite group of super hackers." It cannot be stressed enough that these are organized and peaceful protests, most even going through the process of getting a permit to a peaceful protest and calling local police and officials to give the heads up of what is to occur on February 10th.

    Violence and discourse is not the intentions of Anonymous nor is stomping upon the religious beliefs of another person. This has been made more than clear.

    Things may appear that they are out of control, because it makes for an interesting story, but once you research what's occurring right now for February 10th to be a success, you'll realize that this is just a large series of protests against the crimes that the Church of Scientology has committed and a demand for justice where it is due.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 4:37 PM
    MissAnonymous
  • sslloowwppookkee

    A note for the uninformed: Most of Anonymous is not involved in the DDoS attacks upon the website. Most of Anonymous is going about this ethically and legally, and the war is a war of information.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 4:33 PM
    sslloowwppookkee
  • gamrbee

    L. Ron Hubbard was the catalyst for the entire "religion", wasn't he? I believe it all started with the book Dianetics". Now, isn't that hilarious? A religion started by a science fiction writer! I don't care how many people truly believe that Scientology is a viable religion. I think it's a crock.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 4:31 PM
    gamrbee
  • gamrbee

    L. Ron Hubbard was the catalyst for the entire "religion", wasn't he? I believe it all started with the book Dianetics". Now, isn't that hilarious? A religion started by a science fiction writer! I don't care how many people truly believe that Scientology is a viable religion. I think it's a crock.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 4:28 PM
    gamrbee
  • LegionisLegion

    Agreed, it should be clear Anonymous is attacking the CHURCH of $cientology and not Scientology.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 3:58 PM
    LegionisLegion
  • Anonymous404

    Anonymous isn't attacking the belief itself rather the malicious tactics it uses against their critics. There is in fact a separate group which practices Scientology minus the criminal practices, which by the way is harassed by the "church" constantly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=oM-LeRLiqA0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=pPol_m8wm8Y
    http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=4EYS7SpFTEI

    Posted: February 4, 2008 3:53 PM
    Anonymous404
  • notsoanon

    Druidblue, I can understand your concerns, but these protests are not about suppressing peoples' religious beliefs. Anonymous stands against the criminal activities of the Church of Scientology: murder and extortion to name a couple. Educate yourself: whyarethedead.net

    Posted: February 4, 2008 3:40 PM
    notsoanon
  • JaymEsch

    And, what's next? Will "Anonymous" decide they don't judge other faiths or spiritualities to be legitimate? Will the international Druidic order I belong to have their website at Druidry.com be deemed unworthy of "Anonymous"'s vision of what is acceptable- to them, and only them?

    Perhaps if the members of "Anonymous" had any actual intelligence or wisdom they'd be able to realize that it is NO business of anyone's what spirituality, faith or religion another person follows, period.

    So you don't like Scientology. Get over it, and ignore it- follow your own beliefs... no harm is done. Instead, turning to criminal acts to show your pettiness shows that in fact, the Scientologists are the "good guys" in such an equation.

    Let other people live their lives in peace without your own judgmental interference.

    Posted: February 4, 2008 3:20 PM
    JaymEsch
  • LegionisLegion

    If Anonymous was a group of hackers it would be a lot more productive. Instead, Anonymous is a collective group of individuals who realize something is wrong with the world and have time on their hands. Thus the internet is simply it's stomping ground.


    FEBRUARY 10th NEVAR FORGET

    Posted: February 4, 2008 3:05 PM
    LegionisLegion
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